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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:22:44 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 12, 6:18 am, John wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:55:32 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:
Two hydrogen atoms are floating in space, one atom turns to the other
and says, "I think I just lost an Electron!!"

To which the other atom says, "Are you sure?"

And the first atom responds, "I'm POSITIVE!!!"

Well!

There won't be any competing with you today. That was one hell of a
start.

Only comment's he'd get from me would me NEGATIVE

And I refuse to stand NEUTRAL.

Thus proving that you are, indeed, a neutron.

BBAAWWWAAAHHHHHAAAAA!!!!

Timmy Neutron?

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On Dec 12, 12:48*pm, wrote:
On Dec 12, 11:40*am, wrote:





On Dec 12, 11:24*am, Boater wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:45:04 -0500, Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:

One of the first steps any company needs to insure it's long term
viability is that it's cost structure is competitive. *Since labor is
about 10% of the cost of the car, it makes sense for labor to agree to a
competitive salary to keep their jobs for the long term. *It looks to me
that the UAW and the Senate are not playing Russian Roulette, it is more
like "Chicken" in a auto, to see who will swerve.

Of course labor has to be part of any long term solution, but it's quite
interesting that Corker wanted to concentrate on labor's 10% and forget
about the other 90%. *Regardless, when this economy is in such perilous
condition, letting GM and Chrysler go out of business, is quite counter-
productive. *As I have said before, under normal circumstances, if the
economy was healthy, I would agree to let GM take it's chances with
bankruptcy.

As it stands, both GM and Chrysler, have hired Man, bankruptcy lawyers. I
don't think the next several years are going to be pretty.

The Republicans wanted the UAW to engage in substantial pay package
givebacks in either 2009 or 2010, and apparently factored in the costs s
of the total absorbed payroll, too, which includes the retirees. There's
really not much difference between the hourly rates of the current
represented employees and the exploited employees of ForeignAutoMakersSouth.

I wonder if the Repubs want the unionized workers to give up health care
benefits, too?- Hide quoted text -

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Man, did you get a transcript of the union rep's news conference,
cause you are chiming exactly the same sour grapes bull**** as he
threw up? Word for word... *Who'd a thunk? The Unions refused any
reasonable concessions, just crying and fudging the numbers.- Hide quoted text -

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He googled it. It's all he has in his pathetic life.- Hide quoted text -

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Goes to show you, having everything handed to you and stealing the
rest from hard working folks ain't all it's cracked up to be...;)

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:38:10 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:22:44 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 12, 6:18 am, John wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:55:32 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:
Two hydrogen atoms are floating in space, one atom turns to the other
and says, "I think I just lost an Electron!!"

To which the other atom says, "Are you sure?"

And the first atom responds, "I'm POSITIVE!!!"

Well!

There won't be any competing with you today. That was one hell of a
start.

Only comment's he'd get from me would me NEGATIVE

And I refuse to stand NEUTRAL.

Thus proving that you are, indeed, a neutron.

BBAAWWWAAAHHHHHAAAAA!!!!

Timmy Neutron?

Excellent. :)

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On Dec 12, 2:46*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:38:10 -0800, "Calif Bill"





wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:8am4k4140bhgvjulhnogjl4r0ad1pos82c@4a x.com...
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:22:44 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 12, 6:18 am, John wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:55:32 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:
Two hydrogen atoms are floating in space, one atom turns to the other
and says, "I think I just lost an Electron!!"

To which the other atom says, "Are you sure?"

And the first atom responds, "I'm POSITIVE!!!"

Well!

There won't be any competing with you today. That was one hell of a
start.

Only comment's he'd get from me would me NEGATIVE

And I refuse to stand NEUTRAL.

Thus proving that you are, indeed, a neutron.

BBAAWWWAAAHHHHHAAAAA!!!!

Timmy Neutron?

Excellent. *:)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My son used to watch Jimmy Neutron cartoons.

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On Dec 12, 1:46*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 11:38:10 -0800, "Calif Bill"



wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:8am4k4140bhgvjulhnogjl4r0ad1pos82c@4a x.com...
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 04:22:44 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 12, 6:18 am, John wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:55:32 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports

wrote:
Two hydrogen atoms are floating in space, one atom turns to the other
and says, "I think I just lost an Electron!!"

To which the other atom says, "Are you sure?"

And the first atom responds, "I'm POSITIVE!!!"

Well!

There won't be any competing with you today. That was one hell of a
start.

Only comment's he'd get from me would me NEGATIVE

And I refuse to stand NEUTRAL.

Thus proving that you are, indeed, a neutron.

BBAAWWWAAAHHHHHAAAAA!!!!

Timmy Neutron?

Excellent. *:)

Yeah! I kinda like that too!

?;^ )

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HK wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 08:41:58 -0500, HK wrote:


It's good this is happening now because when the economy tanks further,
we'll be able to remind the public that the Republicans sank the
domestically owned auto industry here and put millions out of work.

Harry, depressions aren't good for anybody.

Of course not. But the Senate Republicans in true GOP scorched earth
policy, figure if they aren't in charge, they might as well go into
destroyer mode.

We learned well from the Democrat's thanks for the lesson.

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:00:17 -0500, BAR wrote:


If I'm not mistaken, there will be a bloodbath on Wall Street today.
Republicans sure know how to instill confidence in the economy.

Wasn't the DOW up at the close today?

I guess you missed this:

http://www.marke****ch.com/news/story/stocks-scale-back-declines-treasury/story.aspx?guid={B20D8370-0DD2-4486-936F-F24C531AB140}&dist=FSQ

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:56:40 -0600, wrote:

http://www.marke****ch.com/news/story/stocks-scale-back-declines-treasury/story.aspx?guid={B20D8370-0DD2-4486-936F-F24C531AB140}&dist=FSQ

George W. Bush to the rescue.
Who da thunk it?
BTW, though I said earlier I think Corker is sensible, I'm reserving
final judgement until more facts are available.

--Vic

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A blonde calls her boyfriend and says, 'Please come over here and help
me. I have a killer jigsaw puzzle, and I can't figure out how to get
started.'

Her boyfriend asks, 'What is it supposed to be when it's finished?'

The blonde says, 'According to the picture on the box, it's a
rooster.'

Her boyfriend decides to go over and help with the puzzle.

She lets him in and shows him where she has the puzzle spread all
over the table.

He studies the pieces for a moment, then looks at the box, then turns
to her and says,

'First of all, no matter what we do, we're not going to be able to
assemble these pieces into anything resembling a rooster.'

He takes her hand and says, 'Second, I want you to relax. Let's have
a nice cup of tea, and then ...' he said with a deep
sigh, . .. . .. .. .




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'Let's put all the Corn Flakes back in the box.'

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:46:17 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:

George W. Bush to the rescue.
Who da thunk it?
BTW, though I said earlier I think Corker is sensible, I'm reserving
final judgement until more facts are available.

--Vic

I'm not so sure. From my reading, the UAW was willing to accept pay
parity with the foreign manufacturers. The problem was defining parity,
and the timing of when to accept it. To me, it looks like union
busting. If you take retirement benefits out, they are close to parity
now.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po.../blog/2008/12/
uaws_superhigh_pay_a_myth.html

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:00:44 -0600, wrote:

I'm not so sure. From my reading, the UAW was willing to accept pay
parity with the foreign manufacturers. The problem was defining parity,
and the timing of when to accept it. To me, it looks like union
busting. If you take retirement benefits out, they are close to parity
now.

They wanted parity after the expiration of their current contract
which runs out in 2011.

I heard the whole UAW press conference this morning - prevarication
ruled the day for them. According to the UAW, it's all the
Republicans fault - it took a reporter to point out to him that the
bailout would have passed if three more Democrats had voted for it.

Another fallacy is this whole bit about labor being 10% of the total
cost per car.

That is total bull****.

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:00:44 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:46:17 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:

George W. Bush to the rescue.
Who da thunk it?
BTW, though I said earlier I think Corker is sensible, I'm reserving
final judgement until more facts are available.

--Vic

I'm not so sure. From my reading, the UAW was willing to accept pay
parity with the foreign manufacturers. The problem was defining parity,
and the timing of when to accept it. To me, it looks like union
busting. If you take retirement benefits out, they are close to parity
now.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po.../blog/2008/12/
uaws_superhigh_pay_a_myth.html

I don't know if that guy knows what he's talking about.
I've heard entirely different figures, and I've also heard that
retirement costs have been or soon will be split off from GM's books.
BTW, Corker has explicitly said he wasn't asking for "parity,"
and the union chief gave the impression that he views Corker
differently than the Republican caucus.
The timing issue really doesn't add up to much in the big picture,
and that it should stall things makes me suspect Corker's motives.
The complexities or restructuring are great, and I really think Corker
has a more objective picture than anyone about the details, but is
subject to the political pressures of the Rep caucus, whatever his
common sense tells him. He's pretty impressive.
I'd like to see him one-on-one with Gettelfinger, who also is
impressive. When I was UAW the answer to all this would be
"**** you. Shut the God damn place down."
Still might turn out that way.

--Vic

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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:00:44 -0600, wrote:

I'm not so sure. From my reading, the UAW was willing to accept pay
parity with the foreign manufacturers. The problem was defining parity,
and the timing of when to accept it. To me, it looks like union
busting. If you take retirement benefits out, they are close to parity
now.

They wanted parity after the expiration of their current contract
which runs out in 2011.

I heard the whole UAW press conference this morning - prevarication
ruled the day for them. According to the UAW, it's all the
Republicans fault - it took a reporter to point out to him that the
bailout would have passed if three more Democrats had voted for it.

Another fallacy is this whole bit about labor being 10% of the total
cost per car.

That is total bull****.


WEll, that's a careful, fact-filled analysis.
Wait, I'm sure you'll find some crap on a right-wing site to help you out.

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Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:00:44 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:46:17 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:

George W. Bush to the rescue.
Who da thunk it?
BTW, though I said earlier I think Corker is sensible, I'm reserving
final judgement until more facts are available.

--Vic
I'm not so sure. From my reading, the UAW was willing to accept pay
parity with the foreign manufacturers. The problem was defining parity,
and the timing of when to accept it. To me, it looks like union
busting. If you take retirement benefits out, they are close to parity
now.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po.../blog/2008/12/
uaws_superhigh_pay_a_myth.html

I don't know if that guy knows what he's talking about.
I've heard entirely different figures, and I've also heard that
retirement costs have been or soon will be split off from GM's books.
BTW, Corker has explicitly said he wasn't asking for "parity,"
and the union chief gave the impression that he views Corker
differently than the Republican caucus.
The timing issue really doesn't add up to much in the big picture,
and that it should stall things makes me suspect Corker's motives.
The complexities or restructuring are great, and I really think Corker
has a more objective picture than anyone about the details, but is
subject to the political pressures of the Rep caucus, whatever his
common sense tells him. He's pretty impressive.
I'd like to see him one-on-one with Gettelfinger, who also is
impressive. When I was UAW the answer to all this would be
"**** you. Shut the God damn place down."
Still might turn out that way.

--Vic


Or maybe the auto company execs will do what their precedessors
do...shoot the employees.

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:36:21 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:

He's pretty impressive.

He's had some ethical lapses. Seems they don't know how to make a bind
trust in Tennessee. Then there was the sale of some wetlands.

http://www.citizensforethics.org/taxonomy/term/773

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Corker#Controversy

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Boater wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:00:44 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:46:17 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:

George W. Bush to the rescue.
Who da thunk it?
BTW, though I said earlier I think Corker is sensible, I'm reserving
final judgement until more facts are available.

--Vic
I'm not so sure. From my reading, the UAW was willing to accept pay
parity with the foreign manufacturers. The problem was defining
parity, and the timing of when to accept it. To me, it looks like
union busting. If you take retirement benefits out, they are close
to parity now.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po.../blog/2008/12/
uaws_superhigh_pay_a_myth.html

I don't know if that guy knows what he's talking about.
I've heard entirely different figures, and I've also heard that
retirement costs have been or soon will be split off from GM's books.
BTW, Corker has explicitly said he wasn't asking for "parity,"
and the union chief gave the impression that he views Corker
differently than the Republican caucus.
The timing issue really doesn't add up to much in the big picture,
and that it should stall things makes me suspect Corker's motives.
The complexities or restructuring are great, and I really think Corker
has a more objective picture than anyone about the details, but is
subject to the political pressures of the Rep caucus, whatever his
common sense tells him. He's pretty impressive.
I'd like to see him one-on-one with Gettelfinger, who also is
impressive. When I was UAW the answer to all this would be
"**** you. Shut the God damn place down."
Still might turn out that way.

--Vic


Or maybe the auto company execs will do what their precedessors
do...shoot the employees.

How many employees do you have to shoot before the rest of them fall in
line?

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wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:36:21 -0600, Vic Smith wrote:

He's pretty impressive.

He's had some ethical lapses. Seems they don't know how to make a bind
trust in Tennessee. Then there was the sale of some wetlands.

http://www.citizensforethics.org/taxonomy/term/773

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Corker#Controversy

Look at Alexander, Rarity Club, TVA, and a lot more, Western N C,
Montana, Cumberland Plateau, Bowaters, etc Little Cedar Mountain. A lot
of what was, on the net, has "disappeared"

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"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...

Another fallacy is this whole bit about labor being 10% of the total
cost per car.

That is total bull****.


I've been watching this. It's a creative way of accounting for costs. And
it's not *pay*. It's burdened labor rates, which determine cost.

If you listen to jerks like Olbermann, you'd think, (in fact he *said* this
the other night) that in order to obtain parity with Toyota, Honda, etc.,
the UAW workers would need a pay *increase*.

Then he goes on to inform everybody that the *real* UAW labor rate is about
28-30 something bucks per hour *when* you substract all the contractual
benefit costs. He's an idiot. He should have stayed with color
commentary of baseball games.

Eisboch

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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:54:46 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...

Another fallacy is this whole bit about labor being 10% of the total
cost per car.

That is total bull****.


I've been watching this. It's a creative way of accounting for costs. And
it's not *pay*. It's burdened labor rates, which determine cost.

If you listen to jerks like Olbermann, you'd think, (in fact he *said* this
the other night) that in order to obtain parity with Toyota, Honda, etc.,
the UAW workers would need a pay *increase*.


In some cases, that is absolutely correct, although the difference is
around $1 an hour, or less.

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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:54:46 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...

Another fallacy is this whole bit about labor being 10% of the total
cost per car.

That is total bull****.

I've been watching this. It's a creative way of accounting for costs. And
it's not *pay*. It's burdened labor rates, which determine cost.

Well, let's put it this way - in simple terms. The average Ford
Taurus, new off the lot, is about $19,000 comforbably equipped. What
the UAW wants you to believe is that the labor cost for building that
car is $1,900.

Sure it is.

By the way, when was the last time a major manufacturing industry had
a 10% labor cost to make it's goods? When was the last time ANY
industry had a 10% total labor cost?

Bull**** - and we're going to pay for it right up the old pooper.

If you listen to jerks like Olbermann, you'd think...

Olbermann is a total ass. He was when he was at ESPN and I have that
on a very good source - one of his former partners lives here in
Woodstock and is a associate member of the FD.

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Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:54:46 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
Another fallacy is this whole bit about labor being 10% of the total
cost per car.

That is total bull****.
I've been watching this. It's a creative way of accounting for costs. And
it's not *pay*. It's burdened labor rates, which determine cost.

Well, let's put it this way - in simple terms. The average Ford
Taurus, new off the lot, is about $19,000 comforbably equipped. What
the UAW wants you to believe is that the labor cost for building that
car is $1,900.

Sure it is.

By the way, when was the last time a major manufacturing industry had
a 10% labor cost to make it's goods? When was the last time ANY
industry had a 10% total labor cost?

Bull**** - and we're going to pay for it right up the old pooper.

If you listen to jerks like Olbermann, you'd think...

Olbermann is a total ass. He was when he was at ESPN and I have that
on a very good source - one of his former partners lives here in
Woodstock and is a associate member of the FD.


snerk

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Very good!





On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:53:54 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:


A blonde calls her boyfriend and says, 'Please come over here and help
me. I have a killer jigsaw puzzle, and I can't figure out how to get
started.'

Her boyfriend asks, 'What is it supposed to be when it's finished?'

The blonde says, 'According to the picture on the box, it's a
rooster.'

Her boyfriend decides to go over and help with the puzzle.

She lets him in and shows him where she has the puzzle spread all
over the table.

He studies the pieces for a moment, then looks at the box, then turns
to her and says,

'First of all, no matter what we do, we're not going to be able to
assemble these pieces into anything resembling a rooster.'

He takes her hand and says, 'Second, I want you to relax. Let's have
a nice cup of tea, and then ...' he said with a deep
sigh, . .. . .. .. .




(scroll down)




















'Let's put all the Corn Flakes back in the box.'

--
John

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Eisboch wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
Another fallacy is this whole bit about labor being 10% of the total
cost per car.

That is total bull****.


I've been watching this. It's a creative way of accounting for costs. And
it's not *pay*. It's burdened labor rates, which determine cost.

If you listen to jerks like Olbermann, you'd think, (in fact he *said* this
the other night) that in order to obtain parity with Toyota, Honda, etc.,
the UAW workers would need a pay *increase*.

Then he goes on to inform everybody that the *real* UAW labor rate is about
28-30 something bucks per hour *when* you substract all the contractual
benefit costs. He's an idiot. He should have stayed with color
commentary of baseball games.

He could have been a great CFO in the mid to late 90's.

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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 09:34:10 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:54:46 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
Another fallacy is this whole bit about labor being 10% of the total
cost per car.

That is total bull****.

I've been watching this. It's a creative way of accounting for costs. And
it's not *pay*. It's burdened labor rates, which determine cost.

If you listen to jerks like Olbermann, you'd think, (in fact he *said* this
the other night) that in order to obtain parity with Toyota, Honda, etc.,
the UAW workers would need a pay *increase*.


In some cases, that is absolutely correct, although the difference is
around $1 an hour, or less.

What?

When deciding to open up a position to hire a new person you do not look
at the salary you are going to pay the person. You look at the fully
burdened cost of hiring that person. Most companies have a fixed cost
they use for each job classification, managers 200K, sr. engineers 200K,
mid-level engineers 150K, sr. technicians 120K, technicians 90K, admins
100K.

I guess the term, "pay increase" is beyond your comprehension. It
refers to the actual wages paid being raised.

Do you have similar difficulties with the difference between the price
of a 75 watt light bulb and a 100 watt light bulb? What if they raise
the price?

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On Dec 13, 6:38*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:54:46 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
messagenews:0ca6k4pc4t9fnvracmb8fo7rvd2ftqd443@4a x.com...

Another fallacy is this whole bit about labor being 10% of the total
cost per car.

That is total bull****.

I've been watching this. * It's a creative way of accounting for costs.. *And
it's not *pay*. *It's burdened labor rates, which determine cost.

Well, let's put it this way - in simple terms. *The average Ford
Taurus, new off the lot, is about $19,000 comforbably equipped. What
the UAW wants you to believe is that the labor cost for building that
car is $1,900.

Sure it is.

By the way, when was the last time a major manufacturing industry had
a 10% labor cost to make it's goods? *When was the last time ANY
industry had a 10% total labor cost?

Bull**** - and we're going to pay for it right up the old pooper.

If you listen to jerks like Olbermann, you'd think...

Olbermann is a total ass. *He was when he was at ESPN and I have that
on a very good source - one of his former partners lives here in
Woodstock and is a associate member of the FD.

Like I said before, he sets off my gaydar.. I can't even watch him at
half time on Mondays. Every once in a while I flip by him on MSNBC and
all he does is cry about Fox and O'Reilley... Oh, and call republicans
names. Matthews is almost as bad.