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Here's a very well done computer animated assembly of a 1911. UD
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(JohnH)wrote
I thought it was more fun to stagger .357 rounds with .38 wadcutters to correct the flinching problem! -- John H. LOL, Yeah that would work, Then again I suppose you could get the reverse effect with some individuals. FWIW I very rarely shoot .357's its hard on my K-frame revolvers. When I shoot wheelgun matches I use 151 gr RN Super .38's I load into .38 special cases. UD |
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""UglyDan®©T"" wrote in message ... Here's a very well done computer animated assembly of a 1911. UD http://splodetv.com/video/1911-breakdown Sure are a lot of springs in those things. Eisboch |
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On Dec 6, 3:04*pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:15:56 -0800, (UglyDan®©™) wrote: LOL, Yeah that would work, Then again I suppose you could get the reverse effect with some individuals. FWIW I very rarely shoot .357's its hard on my K-frame revolvers. When I shoot wheelgun matches I use 151 gr RN Super .38's I load into .38 special cases. *UD * Mine is an S&W Mod 28-2. I don't often fire .357 rounds through it. Usually it's just .38 wadcutters. I've got hundreds of those damn things from when I had two brothers who were cops. This isn't mine, but it's the same pistol. http://www.bayourovers.com/SmithWessonModel28-2.jpg -- John H. I am not a firearm guy, but it doesn't look like a very efficient piece of equipment. Not trying to be an ass, just sayin'... |
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:07:05 -0800 (PST),
wrote: On Dec 6, 3:04*pm, JohnH wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:15:56 -0800, (UglyDan®©™) wrote: LOL, Yeah that would work, Then again I suppose you could get the reverse effect with some individuals. FWIW I very rarely shoot .357's its hard on my K-frame revolvers. When I shoot wheelgun matches I use 151 gr RN Super .38's I load into .38 special cases. *UD * Mine is an S&W Mod 28-2. I don't often fire .357 rounds through it. Usually it's just .38 wadcutters. I've got hundreds of those damn things from when I had two brothers who were cops. This isn't mine, but it's the same pistol. http://www.bayourovers.com/SmithWessonModel28-2.jpg -- John H. I am not a firearm guy, but it doesn't look like a very efficient piece of equipment. Not trying to be an ass, just sayin'... Well, how do you define 'efficient'? It does what I've wanted it to do, and it was a gift from a cop. It's not as efficient at some things as at others. All depends... -- John H. |
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On Dec 6, 3:11*pm, Gene wrote:
On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:02:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 5, 1:54*pm, Gene Kearns wrote: | OK, I know nothing about guns. *Why is dry firing bad?- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | |I don't know this for fact, but I think one thing would be excessive |wear from the pin bottoming out because there is no resistence. Generally, it doesn't do any good to the trigger, hammer, striker or firing pin, and any associated wearing parts. So generally it's a dumb thing to do with the only benefit being to the ego of very insecure or stupid people? From a mechanical stand point I would agree "So generally it's a dumb thing to do," but I would stop short of trying to divine another person's motivations for doing so. Why don't you just advise them against it? -- Noted... But far be it from me to advise the wise one about anything. Like I said, when around folks who I feel are not qualified to handle firearms, I just leave. Now I have to go, my kid and I are going out back to work with our weapons of choice.... And I don't mean motorcycles in this instance. My daughter has decided she wants to train, here's a hint, I bet Loogie has worked with these things here or there. |
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wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 3:11 pm, Gene wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:02:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 5, 1:54 pm, Gene Kearns wrote: | OK, I know nothing about guns. Why is dry firing bad?- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | |I don't know this for fact, but I think one thing would be excessive |wear from the pin bottoming out because there is no resistence. Generally, it doesn't do any good to the trigger, hammer, striker or firing pin, and any associated wearing parts. So generally it's a dumb thing to do with the only benefit being to the ego of very insecure or stupid people? From a mechanical stand point I would agree "So generally it's a dumb thing to do," but I would stop short of trying to divine another person's motivations for doing so. Why don't you just advise them against it? -- Noted... But far be it from me to advise the wise one about anything. Like I said, when around folks who I feel are not qualified to handle firearms, I just leave. Now I have to go, my kid and I are going out back to work with our weapons of choice.... And I don't mean motorcycles in this instance. My daughter has decided she wants to train, here's a hint, I bet Loogie has worked with these things here or there. ************************************************** *** Really?? Shame on you! http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en...num=4&ct=title |
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 15:13:24 -0500, Gene
wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:45:02 -0500, JohnH wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:28:17 -0800, "Calif Bill" wrote: "JohnH" wrote in message ... On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:58:41 -0500, Gene Kearns wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 08:54:32 -0800 (PST), penned the following well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats: |On Dec 5, 11:51 am, wrote: | How many of you would play with your weapons, racking and dryfiring | while talking on the phone to somebody? To me that is pretty stupid, | but I am not a gun guy... What do you think, should someone like that | be allowed to have handguns or should there be some kind of safety | course/mental evaluation first? | |I think a mental evaluation should be mandatory for gun ownership. I |don't want people around me with guns that are unstable. Take someone |that is so paranoid that they answer their door with a loaded weapon. I've always considered dry firing a weapon a really bad idea...... I just wouldn't do it.... If I come to answer the door, I'm not taking the gun out, just to do so..... Dry firing a double action revolver is a good way to learn how to control the trigger finger. I was taught to do so by one of my cop brothers while on a firing range. It makes firing the revolver a distinctly two step pull of the trigger finger and greatly helps accuracy. -- John H. Use a snap cap when practicing. I'm not suggesting you're wrong, but I am wondering why. The firing pin in my revolver hits nothing when there is no round in the chamber. ??? Then it continues forward motion indefinitely??? ??? Doesn't *something* keep it within the gun? No. The pin disconnects from the hammer and goes flying out the barrel. It's why I never dry fire at the television. -- John H. |
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Very nice John, I've always wanted a model 28 Highway Patrolman. That
old N-frame can handle .357 all day long. Hard to find nowdays, and you pay a premium for them. This is my S&W 66 Combat magnum in 6" barrel, Its got over 80.000 rounds thru it, and still going strong. UD http://s391.photobucket.com/albums/o...t=large-14.jpg |
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"JohnH" wrote in message Well, how do you define 'efficient'? It does what I've wanted it to do, and it was a gift from a cop. It's not as efficient at some things as at others. All depends... -- John H. The ass is probably just trying to pick a fight. Your 28-2 is one of the most utilitarian firearms ever made. I bought one myself a few years back after warping the frame of my model 66-2 from one too many hot loads. You could also consider it "efficient" as it actually have features removed to simplify its operation and reduce its cost. |
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On Dec 6, 2:07*pm, wrote:
On Dec 6, 3:04*pm, JohnH wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:15:56 -0800, (UglyDan®©™) wrote: LOL, Yeah that would work, Then again I suppose you could get the reverse effect with some individuals. FWIW I very rarely shoot .357's its hard on my K-frame revolvers. When I shoot wheelgun matches I use 151 gr RN Super .38's I load into .38 special cases. *UD * Mine is an S&W Mod 28-2. I don't often fire .357 rounds through it. Usually it's just .38 wadcutters. I've got hundreds of those damn things from when I had two brothers who were cops. This isn't mine, but it's the same pistol. http://www.bayourovers.com/SmithWessonModel28-2.jpg -- John H. I am not a firearm guy, but it doesn't look like a very efficient piece of equipment. *Not trying to be an ass, just sayin'... Oh they are about as efficient as any, and have been aound for well over 150 yrs. ,,, and I like a revolver, but one wheel gun I can't stand is a .22. To me that's a waste. this is what I have in a 35 Only with 4' barrel though http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...6393/DAN05.jpg |
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 14:15:54 -0800, (UglyDan®©™) wrote:
Very nice John, I've always wanted a model 28 Highway Patrolman. That old N-frame can handle .357 all day long. Hard to find nowdays, and you pay a premium for them. This is my S&W 66 Combat magnum in 6" barrel, Its got over 80.000 rounds thru it, and still going strong. UD http://s391.photobucket.com/albums/o...t=large-14.jpg Nice weapon, Dan. I like the stainless. -- John H. |
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:30:39 GMT, "CRM" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message Well, how do you define 'efficient'? It does what I've wanted it to do, and it was a gift from a cop. It's not as efficient at some things as at others. All depends... -- John H. The ass is probably just trying to pick a fight. Your 28-2 is one of the most utilitarian firearms ever made. I bought one myself a few years back after warping the frame of my model 66-2 from one too many hot loads. You could also consider it "efficient" as it actually have features removed to simplify its operation and reduce its cost. That's my understanding also. I've been quite pleased with it. All this talking reminded me to clean the bugger. -- John H. |
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:43:27 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Dec 6, 2:07*pm, wrote: On Dec 6, 3:04*pm, JohnH wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:15:56 -0800, (UglyDan®©™) wrote: LOL, Yeah that would work, Then again I suppose you could get the reverse effect with some individuals. FWIW I very rarely shoot .357's its hard on my K-frame revolvers. When I shoot wheelgun matches I use 151 gr RN Super .38's I load into .38 special cases. *UD * Mine is an S&W Mod 28-2. I don't often fire .357 rounds through it. Usually it's just .38 wadcutters. I've got hundreds of those damn things from when I had two brothers who were cops. This isn't mine, but it's the same pistol. http://www.bayourovers.com/SmithWessonModel28-2.jpg -- John H. I am not a firearm guy, but it doesn't look like a very efficient piece of equipment. *Not trying to be an ass, just sayin'... Oh they are about as efficient as any, and have been aound for well over 150 yrs. ,,, and I like a revolver, but one wheel gun I can't stand is a .22. To me that's a waste. this is what I have in a 35 Only with 4' barrel though http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...6393/DAN05.jpg Did you mean .38? -- John H. |
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On Dec 6, 6:50*pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:43:27 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Dec 6, 2:07*pm, wrote: On Dec 6, 3:04*pm, JohnH wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:15:56 -0800, (UglyDan®©™) wrote: LOL, Yeah that would work, Then again I suppose you could get the reverse effect with some individuals. FWIW I very rarely shoot .357's its hard on my K-frame revolvers. When I shoot wheelgun matches I use 151 gr RN Super .38's I load into .38 special cases. *UD * Mine is an S&W Mod 28-2. I don't often fire .357 rounds through it. Usually it's just .38 wadcutters. I've got hundreds of those damn things from when I had two brothers who were cops. This isn't mine, but it's the same pistol. http://www.bayourovers.com/SmithWessonModel28-2.jpg -- John H. I am not a firearm guy, but it doesn't look like a very efficient piece of equipment. *Not trying to be an ass, just sayin'... Oh they are about as efficient as any, and have been aound for well over 150 yrs. ,,, and I like a revolver, but one wheel gun I can't stand is a .22. To me that's a waste. this is what I have in a 35 *Only with 4' barrel though http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...6393/DAN05.jpg Did you mean .38? -- John H. Actually 357. sorry I didn't hit the *7* but eh, wahtheheck. Oh It also has a 4" barrel instead of a 4' . I'd like to find a 4' barrel for it and a shoulder stock, but for some reason I think the BATF frowns on stuff like that, but I'm not sure. Oh well, it does fine just the way it is. Oh but BTW and this isn't nit picking but a 38 cal is actually .357, And If memory serves me correctly (maybe) I believe the round was origionally designated to be called a .38 magnum, but was dropped to name it for the bullets true caliber. I don't' know why the mfj's do stuff like that. |
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On Dec 6, 3:16*pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:07:05 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 6, 3:04*pm, JohnH wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:15:56 -0800, (UglyDan®©™) wrote: LOL, Yeah that would work, Then again I suppose you could get the reverse effect with some individuals. FWIW I very rarely shoot .357's its hard on my K-frame revolvers. When I shoot wheelgun matches I use 151 gr RN Super .38's I load into .38 special cases. *UD * Mine is an S&W Mod 28-2. I don't often fire .357 rounds through it. Usually it's just .38 wadcutters. I've got hundreds of those damn things from when I had two brothers who were cops. This isn't mine, but it's the same pistol. http://www.bayourovers.com/SmithWessonModel28-2.jpg -- John H. I am not a firearm guy, but it doesn't look like a very efficient piece of equipment. *Not trying to be an ass, just sayin'... Well, how do you define 'efficient'? It does what I've wanted it to do, and it was a gift from a cop. It's not as efficient at some things as at others. All depends... -- John H.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dunno, it looks like it has a pretty short barrel so unless someone is a pretty good shot, my understanding is that a weapon like this is not good for anything beyond a few feet. Hard to handle too I would imagine, must have a hell of a muzzle lift, but again, I don't know from firearms... And unlike my new troll CRM, I was not trying to pick a fight, but you already knew that... I am just a tool guy and as a killing machine which I assume this is, I just thought other weapons would be better. |
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wrote in message ... I dunno, it looks like it has a pretty short barrel so unless someone is a pretty good shot, my understanding is that a weapon like this is not good for anything beyond a few feet. ----------------------------------------------- Here's a grouping free hand at 25 yards (75 feet for you backwoodsers) http://www.dezendorf.us/photos/M2801.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hard to handle too I would imagine, must have a hell of a muzzle lift -------------------------------------------------------------------- For a little guy, maybe. ------------------------------------------------------------------ but again, I don't know from firearms... ----------------------------------------------------------------- Then why not STFU? ----------------------------------------------------------------- And unlike my new troll CRM, I was not trying to pick a fight, but you already knew that... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Why should he "know" that? --------------------------------------------------------------- I am just a tool ........ --------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- I just thought other weapons would be better. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Why? You already said you know nothing about firearms. |
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On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:05:36 -0800 (PST),
wrote: On Dec 6, 3:16*pm, JohnH wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:07:05 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 6, 3:04*pm, JohnH wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:15:56 -0800, (UglyDan®©™) wrote: LOL, Yeah that would work, Then again I suppose you could get the reverse effect with some individuals. FWIW I very rarely shoot .357's its hard on my K-frame revolvers. When I shoot wheelgun matches I use 151 gr RN Super .38's I load into .38 special cases. *UD * Mine is an S&W Mod 28-2. I don't often fire .357 rounds through it. Usually it's just .38 wadcutters. I've got hundreds of those damn things from when I had two brothers who were cops. This isn't mine, but it's the same pistol. http://www.bayourovers.com/SmithWessonModel28-2.jpg -- John H. I am not a firearm guy, but it doesn't look like a very efficient piece of equipment. *Not trying to be an ass, just sayin'... Well, how do you define 'efficient'? It does what I've wanted it to do, and it was a gift from a cop. It's not as efficient at some things as at others. All depends... -- John H.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dunno, it looks like it has a pretty short barrel so unless someone is a pretty good shot, my understanding is that a weapon like this is not good for anything beyond a few feet. Hard to handle too I would imagine, must have a hell of a muzzle lift, but again, I don't know from firearms... And unlike my new troll CRM, I was not trying to pick a fight, but you already knew that... I am just a tool guy and as a killing machine which I assume this is, I just thought other weapons would be better. Well, it's definitely not a long range weapon. It was used by many police departments. Here is a little write-up about this gun. http://tinyurl.com/yzussr It takes only a minute or two to read. And the bottom line is worthwhile: "That's a damned serious gun," he said. He was right. It's a unique revolver in a long line of resplendent Smith & Wessons, a gun stripped to it's elemental form, designed for nothing more than deadly social callings, and keeping officers of the law alive. It doesn't get much more serious than that." It does what it's supposed to do. And, it was a gift. I may have bought something different thirty years ago. But you have to remember...according to Harry, I've got hordes of MS13 gangsters all looking to break into my house. All I need is something accurate enough to shoot down the stairs! -- John H. |
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:21:49 GMT, "CRM" wrote:
wrote in message ... I dunno, it looks like it has a pretty short barrel so unless someone is a pretty good shot, my understanding is that a weapon like this is not good for anything beyond a few feet. ----------------------------------------------- Here's a grouping free hand at 25 yards (75 feet for you backwoodsers) http://www.dezendorf.us/photos/M2801.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hard to handle too I would imagine, must have a hell of a muzzle lift -------------------------------------------------------------------- For a little guy, maybe. ------------------------------------------------------------------ but again, I don't know from firearms... ----------------------------------------------------------------- Then why not STFU? ----------------------------------------------------------------- And unlike my new troll CRM, I was not trying to pick a fight, but you already knew that... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Why should he "know" that? --------------------------------------------------------------- I am just a tool ........ --------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- I just thought other weapons would be better. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Why? You already said you know nothing about firearms. Scotty asked a reasonable question in a reasonable manner. He wasn't making any comments to or about you, so why the assinine response? -- John H. |
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wrote:
On Dec 6, 3:16 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:07:05 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 6, 3:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:15:56 -0800, (UglyDan®©™) wrote: LOL, Yeah that would work, Then again I suppose you could get the reverse effect with some individuals. FWIW I very rarely shoot .357's its hard on my K-frame revolvers. When I shoot wheelgun matches I use 151 gr RN Super .38's I load into .38 special cases. UD Mine is an S&W Mod 28-2. I don't often fire .357 rounds through it. Usually it's just .38 wadcutters. I've got hundreds of those damn things from when I had two brothers who were cops. This isn't mine, but it's the same pistol. http://www.bayourovers.com/SmithWessonModel28-2.jpg -- John H. I am not a firearm guy, but it doesn't look like a very efficient piece of equipment. Not trying to be an ass, just sayin'... Well, how do you define 'efficient'? It does what I've wanted it to do, and it was a gift from a cop. It's not as efficient at some things as at others. All depends... -- John H.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dunno, it looks like it has a pretty short barrel so unless someone is a pretty good shot, my understanding is that a weapon like this is not good for anything beyond a few feet. Hard to handle too I would imagine, must have a hell of a muzzle lift, but again, I don't know from firearms But as you yourself say, you don't know from firearms. So, it isn't good for anything beyond a few feet. Why not stand 15 feet "downrange" and have someone shoot it at you and see what happens. That'll settle the question for you. |
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On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:26:44 -0500, Boater wrote:
wrote: On Dec 6, 3:16 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:07:05 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 6, 3:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:15:56 -0800, (UglyDan®©™) wrote: LOL, Yeah that would work, Then again I suppose you could get the reverse effect with some individuals. FWIW I very rarely shoot .357's its hard on my K-frame revolvers. When I shoot wheelgun matches I use 151 gr RN Super .38's I load into .38 special cases. UD Mine is an S&W Mod 28-2. I don't often fire .357 rounds through it. Usually it's just .38 wadcutters. I've got hundreds of those damn things from when I had two brothers who were cops. This isn't mine, but it's the same pistol. http://www.bayourovers.com/SmithWessonModel28-2.jpg -- John H. I am not a firearm guy, but it doesn't look like a very efficient piece of equipment. Not trying to be an ass, just sayin'... Well, how do you define 'efficient'? It does what I've wanted it to do, and it was a gift from a cop. It's not as efficient at some things as at others. All depends... -- John H.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I dunno, it looks like it has a pretty short barrel so unless someone is a pretty good shot, my understanding is that a weapon like this is not good for anything beyond a few feet. Hard to handle too I would imagine, must have a hell of a muzzle lift, but again, I don't know from firearms But as you yourself say, you don't know from firearms. So, it isn't good for anything beyond a few feet. Why not stand 15 feet "downrange" and have someone shoot it at you and see what happens. That'll settle the question for you. Harry, why not go back to bed and quit being a smart-ass all day? -- John H. |
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On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:13:58 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote: OK, I know nothing about guns. Why is dry firing bad? Depends on the gun. When firing a live round the firing pin strikes soft brass. Dry firing can, with some guns, result in steel striking steel, with battering. Casady |
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Richard Casady wrote:
On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 10:13:58 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: OK, I know nothing about guns. Why is dry firing bad? Depends on the gun. When firing a live round the firing pin strikes soft brass. Dry firing can, with some guns, result in steel striking steel, with battering. Casady The operative phrase is "...with some guns..." With most modern semi-auto centerfire pistols, it is a non-issue, because all the firing pin hits without a round in pipe is...air. And the manual for one of my Ruger "six-shooters" sez: DRY-FIRING: Going through the actions of cocking, aiming, and pulling the trigger of an unloaded gun is known as “Dry Firing.” It can be useful to learn the “feel” of your revolver. Be certain the revolver is unloaded and that the gun is pointing in a safe direction even when practicing by dry-firing. The Ruger New Model revolvers can be dry-fired without damage to the firing pin or other components. But...what would Ruger know about guns that could compete with the knowledge of "rec.boat.experts"? |
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On Dec 6, 3:16*pm, wrote:
On Dec 6, 3:11*pm, Gene wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:02:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 5, 1:54*pm, Gene Kearns wrote: | OK, I know nothing about guns. *Why is dry firing bad?- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | |I don't know this for fact, but I think one thing would be excessive |wear from the pin bottoming out because there is no resistence. Generally, it doesn't do any good to the trigger, hammer, striker or firing pin, and any associated wearing parts. So generally it's a dumb thing to do with the only benefit being to the ego of very insecure or stupid people? From a mechanical stand point I would agree "So generally it's a dumb thing to do," but I would stop short of trying to divine another person's motivations for doing so. Why don't you just advise them against it? -- Noted... But far be it from me to advise the wise one about anything. Like I said, when around folks who I feel are not qualified to handle firearms, I just leave. Now I have to go, my kid and I are going out back to work with our weapons of choice.... And I don't mean motorcycles in this instance. My daughter has decided she wants to train, here's a hint, I bet Loogie has worked with these things here or there.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Indeed! |
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On Dec 6, 3:41*pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 3:11 pm, Gene wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:02:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 5, 1:54 pm, Gene Kearns wrote: | OK, I know nothing about guns. Why is dry firing bad?- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | |I don't know this for fact, but I think one thing would be excessive |wear from the pin bottoming out because there is no resistence. Generally, it doesn't do any good to the trigger, hammer, striker or firing pin, and any associated wearing parts. So generally it's a dumb thing to do with the only benefit being to the ego of very insecure or stupid people? From a mechanical stand point I would agree "So generally it's a dumb thing to do," but I would stop short of trying to divine another person's motivations for doing so. Why don't you just advise them against it? -- Noted... But far be it from me to advise the wise one about anything. Like I said, when around folks who I feel are not qualified to handle firearms, I just leave. Now I have to go, my kid and I are going out back to work with our weapons of choice.... And I don't mean motorcycles in this instance. My daughter has decided she wants to train, here's a hint, I bet Loogie has worked with these things here or there. ************************************************** *** Really?? *Shame on you!http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en...el=s&rls=o...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And Don ruins yet another thread trying to be like his lover/clone/ master Harry. |
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On Dec 7, 1:21*am, "CRM" wrote:
wrote in message ... I dunno, it looks like it has a pretty short barrel so unless someone is a pretty good shot, my understanding is that a weapon like this is not good for anything beyond a few feet. ----------------------------------------------- Here's a grouping free hand at 25 yards (75 feet for you backwoodsers)http://www.dezendorf.us/photos/M2801.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- *Hard to handle too I would imagine, must have a hell of a muzzle lift -------------------------------------------------------------------- For a little guy, maybe. ------------------------------------------------------------------ *but again, I don't know from firearms... ----------------------------------------------------------------- Then why not STFU? ----------------------------------------------------------------- And unlike my new troll CRM, I was not trying to pick a fight, but you already knew that... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Why should he "know" that? --------------------------------------------------------------- *I am just a tool ........ --------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- I just thought other weapons would be better. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Why? You already said you know nothing about firearms. Wow, you are a nice little troll... you are dismissed, now crawl back under your desk and get back to your google brains.. |
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On Dec 7, 7:23*am, JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:21:49 GMT, "CRM" wrote: wrote in message ... I dunno, it looks like it has a pretty short barrel so unless someone is a pretty good shot, my understanding is that a weapon like this is not good for anything beyond a few feet. ----------------------------------------------- Here's a grouping free hand at 25 yards (75 feet for you backwoodsers) http://www.dezendorf.us/photos/M2801.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hard to handle too I would imagine, must have a hell of a muzzle lift -------------------------------------------------------------------- For a little guy, maybe. ------------------------------------------------------------------ but again, I don't know from firearms... ----------------------------------------------------------------- Then why not STFU? ----------------------------------------------------------------- And unlike my new troll CRM, I was not trying to pick a fight, but you already knew that... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Why should he "know" that? --------------------------------------------------------------- I am just a tool ........ --------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- I just thought other weapons would be better. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Why? You already said you know nothing about firearms. Scotty asked a reasonable question in a reasonable manner. He wasn't making any comments to or about you, so why the assinine response? -- John H.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Didn't you know, he is the latest loser to troll for internet victories! These guys must be complete failures at home. Let him have his fun, maybe it will keep him from beating his wife or kids... |
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On Dec 7, 1:21 am, "CRM" wrote: wrote in message ... I dunno, it looks like it has a pretty short barrel so unless someone is a pretty good shot, my understanding is that a weapon like this is not good for anything beyond a few feet. ----------------------------------------------- Here's a grouping free hand at 25 yards (75 feet for you backwoodsers)http://www.dezendorf.us/photos/M2801.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hard to handle too I would imagine, must have a hell of a muzzle lift -------------------------------------------------------------------- For a little guy, maybe. ------------------------------------------------------------------ but again, I don't know from firearms... ----------------------------------------------------------------- Then why not STFU? ----------------------------------------------------------------- And unlike my new troll CRM, I was not trying to pick a fight, but you already knew that... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Why should he "know" that? --------------------------------------------------------------- I am just a tool ........ --------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- I just thought other weapons would be better. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Why? You already said you know nothing about firearms. Wow, you are a nice little troll... you are dismissed, now crawl back under your desk and get back to your google brains.. Since you admit you know nothing about guns, why are you so obstreperous when someone points out that you said. You know nothing about guns. Therefore your opinions about what might be good, bad or indifferent handguns...amount to a pile of cold dogturds. |
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On Dec 7, 11:33*am, Boater wrote:
wrote: On Dec 7, 1:21 am, "CRM" wrote: wrote in message .... I dunno, it looks like it has a pretty short barrel so unless someone is a pretty good shot, my understanding is that a weapon like this is not good for anything beyond a few feet. ----------------------------------------------- Here's a grouping free hand at 25 yards (75 feet for you backwoodsers)http://www.dezendorf.us/photos/M2801.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- *Hard to handle too I would imagine, must have a hell of a muzzle lift -------------------------------------------------------------------- For a little guy, maybe. ------------------------------------------------------------------ *but again, I don't know from firearms... ----------------------------------------------------------------- Then why not STFU? ----------------------------------------------------------------- And unlike my new troll CRM, I was not trying to pick a fight, but you already knew that... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Why should he "know" that? --------------------------------------------------------------- *I am just a tool ........ --------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- I just thought other weapons would be better. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Why? You already said you know nothing about firearms. Wow, you are a nice little troll... *you are dismissed, now crawl back under your desk and get back to your google brains.. Since you admit you know nothing about guns, why are you so obstreperous when someone points out that you said. You know nothing about guns. Therefore your opinions about what might be good, bad or indifferent handguns...amount to a pile of cold dogturds.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Never said I knew "nothing" about guns.. I know in most cases a longer barrel is more accurate and I have a pretty good understanding about why. Like John said, I asked a perfectly acceptable question, you and your new buddy are the only ones who are not smart enough or honest enough to address it. Either way, if you can't answer simple questions, maybe you shouldn't ge involved in discussion groups. As to my new troll, pfffftttt... Funny how the biggest cowards always go after folks they think pose no threat, and still do if from under a desk on the internet...;) |
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On Dec 7, 11:33 am, Boater wrote: wrote: On Dec 7, 1:21 am, "CRM" wrote: wrote in message ... I dunno, it looks like it has a pretty short barrel so unless someone is a pretty good shot, my understanding is that a weapon like this is not good for anything beyond a few feet. ----------------------------------------------- Here's a grouping free hand at 25 yards (75 feet for you backwoodsers)http://www.dezendorf.us/photos/M2801.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hard to handle too I would imagine, must have a hell of a muzzle lift -------------------------------------------------------------------- For a little guy, maybe. ------------------------------------------------------------------ but again, I don't know from firearms... ----------------------------------------------------------------- Then why not STFU? ----------------------------------------------------------------- And unlike my new troll CRM, I was not trying to pick a fight, but you already knew that... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Why should he "know" that? --------------------------------------------------------------- I am just a tool ........ --------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- I just thought other weapons would be better. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Why? You already said you know nothing about firearms. Wow, you are a nice little troll... you are dismissed, now crawl back under your desk and get back to your google brains.. Since you admit you know nothing about guns, why are you so obstreperous when someone points out that you said. You know nothing about guns. Therefore your opinions about what might be good, bad or indifferent handguns...amount to a pile of cold dogturds.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Never said I knew "nothing" about guns.. I know in most cases a longer barrel is more accurate Actually, in most circumstances, a longer barrel is not practically more accurate. I don't mean you should compare a 2" snubby to a 6" barrel, but the differences in accuracy at standard distances between most 4" and 5" or 5" or 6" barrel are not important. If you can put six in the bullseye with a 6" barrel revolver at seven yards, you're going to be able to do it with a similar handgun with a 5" or even 4" barrel. A longer barrel can improve velocity, sometimes. This is been tested many times. |
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wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 3:41 pm, "Don White" wrote: wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 3:11 pm, Gene wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:02:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 5, 1:54 pm, Gene Kearns wrote: | OK, I know nothing about guns. Why is dry firing bad?- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | |I don't know this for fact, but I think one thing would be excessive |wear from the pin bottoming out because there is no resistence. Generally, it doesn't do any good to the trigger, hammer, striker or firing pin, and any associated wearing parts. So generally it's a dumb thing to do with the only benefit being to the ego of very insecure or stupid people? From a mechanical stand point I would agree "So generally it's a dumb thing to do," but I would stop short of trying to divine another person's motivations for doing so. Why don't you just advise them against it? -- Noted... But far be it from me to advise the wise one about anything. Like I said, when around folks who I feel are not qualified to handle firearms, I just leave. Now I have to go, my kid and I are going out back to work with our weapons of choice.... And I don't mean motorcycles in this instance. My daughter has decided she wants to train, here's a hint, I bet Loogie has worked with these things here or there. ************************************************** *** Really?? Shame on you!http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en...el=s&rls=o...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And Don ruins yet another thread trying to be like his lover/clone/ master Harry. ************************************************* LIAR |
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wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 3:41 pm, "Don White" wrote: wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 3:11 pm, Gene wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:02:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 5, 1:54 pm, Gene Kearns wrote: | OK, I know nothing about guns. Why is dry firing bad?- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | |I don't know this for fact, but I think one thing would be excessive |wear from the pin bottoming out because there is no resistence. Generally, it doesn't do any good to the trigger, hammer, striker or firing pin, and any associated wearing parts. So generally it's a dumb thing to do with the only benefit being to the ego of very insecure or stupid people? From a mechanical stand point I would agree "So generally it's a dumb thing to do," but I would stop short of trying to divine another person's motivations for doing so. Why don't you just advise them against it? -- Noted... But far be it from me to advise the wise one about anything. Like I said, when around folks who I feel are not qualified to handle firearms, I just leave. Now I have to go, my kid and I are going out back to work with our weapons of choice.... And I don't mean motorcycles in this instance. My daughter has decided she wants to train, here's a hint, I bet Loogie has worked with these things here or there. ************************************************** *** Really?? Shame on you!http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en...el=s&rls=o...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And Don ruins yet another thread trying to be like his lover/clone/ master Harry. ************************************************* LIAR Just because Loogy is a pus-filled pimple doesn't mean *you* have to squeeze him. :) |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... Don White wrote: wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 3:41 pm, "Don White" wrote: wrote in message ... On Dec 6, 3:11 pm, Gene wrote: On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:02:52 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 5, 1:54 pm, Gene Kearns wrote: | OK, I know nothing about guns. Why is dry firing bad?- Hide quoted text - | | - Show quoted text - | |I don't know this for fact, but I think one thing would be excessive |wear from the pin bottoming out because there is no resistence. Generally, it doesn't do any good to the trigger, hammer, striker or firing pin, and any associated wearing parts. So generally it's a dumb thing to do with the only benefit being to the ego of very insecure or stupid people? From a mechanical stand point I would agree "So generally it's a dumb thing to do," but I would stop short of trying to divine another person's motivations for doing so. Why don't you just advise them against it? -- Noted... But far be it from me to advise the wise one about anything. Like I said, when around folks who I feel are not qualified to handle firearms, I just leave. Now I have to go, my kid and I are going out back to work with our weapons of choice.... And I don't mean motorcycles in this instance. My daughter has decided she wants to train, here's a hint, I bet Loogie has worked with these things here or there. ************************************************** *** Really?? Shame on you!http://images.google.ca/images?hl=en...el=s&rls=o...- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - And Don ruins yet another thread trying to be like his lover/clone/ master Harry. ************************************************* LIAR Just because Loogy is a pus-filled pimple doesn't mean *you* have to squeeze him. :) More like lancing him with a super sized needle. |
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On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:30:15 -0800 (PST),
wrote: On Dec 7, 7:23*am, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:21:49 GMT, "CRM" wrote: wrote in message ... I dunno, it looks like it has a pretty short barrel so unless someone is a pretty good shot, my understanding is that a weapon like this is not good for anything beyond a few feet. ----------------------------------------------- Here's a grouping free hand at 25 yards (75 feet for you backwoodsers) http://www.dezendorf.us/photos/M2801.jpg --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hard to handle too I would imagine, must have a hell of a muzzle lift -------------------------------------------------------------------- For a little guy, maybe. ------------------------------------------------------------------ but again, I don't know from firearms... ----------------------------------------------------------------- Then why not STFU? ----------------------------------------------------------------- And unlike my new troll CRM, I was not trying to pick a fight, but you already knew that... ---------------------------------------------------------------- Why should he "know" that? --------------------------------------------------------------- I am just a tool ........ --------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- I just thought other weapons would be better. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Why? You already said you know nothing about firearms. Scotty asked a reasonable question in a reasonable manner. He wasn't making any comments to or about you, so why the assinine response? -- John H.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Didn't you know, he is the latest loser to troll for internet victories! These guys must be complete failures at home. Let him have his fun, maybe it will keep him from beating his wife or kids... You know, I was astonished at the attacks by both crm and Harry. No reason. Just need attention, I suppose. I've had it with Harry for a while. I'll let other folks give him the attention he craves. If I had had a choice, I would have taken a 6" barrel over the 4" barrel because they are more accurate (contrary to what Krause says). But, they are also more cumbersome. But like I said, this gun was a gift. -- John H. |
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I've had it with Harry for a while. Doubtful. You lie about this all the time. |
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On Sun, 7 Dec 2008 08:30:15 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 7, 7:23*am, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 06:21:49 GMT, "CRM" wrote: wrote in message ... I dunno, it looks like it has a pretty short barrel so unless someone is a pretty good shot, my understanding is that a weapon like this is not good for anything beyond a few feet. ---------------------------------------------- Here's a grouping free hand at 25 yards (75 feet for you backwoodsers) http://www.dezendorf.us/photos/M2801.jpg ---------------------------------------------- Hard to handle too I would imagine, must have a hell of a muzzle lift ---------------------------------------------- For a little guy, maybe. ---------------------------------------------- but again, I don't know from firearms... ---------------------------------------------- Then why not STFU? ---------------------------------------------- And unlike my new troll CRM, I was not trying to pick a fight, but you already knew that... ---------------------------------------------- Why should he "know" that? ---------------------------------------------- I am just a tool ........ ---------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- I just thought other weapons would be better. ---------------------------------------------- Why? You already said you know nothing about firearms. Scotty asked a reasonable question in a reasonable manner. He wasn't making any comments to or about you, so why the assinine response? -- John H.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Didn't you know, he is the latest loser to troll for internet victories! These guys must be complete failures at home. Let him have his fun, maybe it will keep him from beating his wife or kids... You know, I was astonished at the attacks by both crm and Harry. No reason. Just need attention, I suppose. I've had it with Harry for a while. I'll let other folks give him the attention he craves. If I had had a choice, I would have taken a 6" barrel over the 4" barrel because they are more accurate (contrary to what Krause says). But, they are also more cumbersome. But like I said, this gun was a gift. -- John H. To a degree, Yes a 6" barrel is more accurate than the 4", What Harry failed to mention is it all has to do with "Sight Radius" Basically the distance between the front and rear sights, and there's alot of variables that come into play, When I shoot a day long competition I usually start off with my 6" barrel and end up switching to my 4" barrel later in the day, and the reason is I'm just plain tired. What happens is the front sight gets wobbly in my eye due to the longer sight radius in the 6" barrel. I'm no firearms expert, and would never claim to be, but I do shoot a few matches a week, do all my own reloading, and all the work on my own firearms. Among other things. :) UD |
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UglyDan®©™ wrote:
To a degree, Yes a 6" barrel is more accurate than the 4", What Harry failed to mention is it all has to do with "Sight Radius" Basically the distance between the front and rear sights, and there's alot of variables that come into play, When I shoot a day long competition I usually start off with my 6" barrel and end up switching to my 4" barrel later in the day, and the reason is I'm just plain tired. What happens is the front sight gets wobbly in my eye due to the longer sight radius in the 6" barrel. I'm no firearms expert, and would never claim to be, but I do shoot a few matches a week, do all my own reloading, and all the work on my own firearms. Among other things. :) UD Sight radius has to do with the shooter, not the firearm. Put identical 4" and 6" barrel revolvers in pistol rests and the results against targets at combat distances will be pretty much the same. For accuracy, though, I prefer semi-autos. |
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