Only 8 large for new nikon camera
 

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:50:24 -0500, hk wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:53:32 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:53:19 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:20:19 -0500, Boater
wrote:

About $8000 for the body only. (Yikes)

24,5 Megapixel in FX-Format
3D Color Matrix II, Center-Weighted and Spot Metering
1 - 7 fps
1/8000 to 30 seconds shutter
ISO equivalency 100 to 1,600
2 lb 11 oz / 1220 g
Price est. $7,995 USD body

Another FX-format camera means that Nikon will jump back with both
feet into the production of full-frame lenses, updating some of the
current ones and introducing new ones.
Ain't gonna matter. 4/3rds is going to rule the world.
Will that be at the same time or just after eTech Evinrudes "capture"
a larger market share than Yamaha four-strokes? :)
Same theory actually - the better things are fewer in number.

It's an age old axiom that consumer sheeple like you get suckered with
every day.
What are the advantages of the 4/3rd system vs Canon or Nikon?
Well, it has a smaller sensor than the DX cameras!

Oh...wait...that's not an advantage.
Not true at all - it's a full frame system - it's just at a 4:3 rds
aspect ratio which is a fairly common standard for high quality film
work because of it's anamorphic qualities.

I think it was called Super35 or something like that.
Argue with this wiki article and diagram:

The name of the system comes from the size type of the image sensor used
in the cameras. The image sensor is commonly referred to as a 4/3" type
or 4/3 type sensor. The common inch-based sizing system is derived from
vacuum image-sensing video camera tubes, which are now obsolete. The
imaging area of a Four-Thirds sensor is equal to that of a video camera
tube of 4/3" diameter.

The size of the sensor is 18×13.5 mm (22.5 mm diagonal), with an imaging
area of 17.3×13.0 mm (21.6 mm diagonal).[2] Its area is 30–40% less than
the APS-C sensors used in most other DSLRs, but around 9 times larger
than the 1/2.5" sensors typically used in compact digital cameras (see
image sensor format).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SensorSizes.png

Note the sentence: "Its area is 30–40% less than the APS-C sensors used
in most other DSLRs, "

Yes - It's smaller - I never said it wasn't.

IT'S DESIGNED THAT WAY ON PURPOSE TO ACHIEVE FULL FRAME IMAGES AT
SHORTER FOCAL LENGTHS AND AT BETTER QUALITY BECAUSE THE LENSES AND
SENSOR ARE DESIGNED AS A COMPLETE DIGITAL SYSTEM UNLIKE OTHER SYSTEMS
WHICH ARE TRYING TO EMULATE 35 MM SLRS.

Honest to pete Harry - wake the **** up.


Oh, of course. I should buy into the PR.

Next time I attend an event in DC at which a zillion press photographers
are present, I'll count up all the 4/3'rds cameras, and see how that
number stacks up against the Nikons and Canons. The professional
photogs, of course, are not using the 4/3'rds cameras because they have
no interest in better quality.

I get it. But Nikon and Canon don't.

Only 8 large for new nikon camera
 

Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Boater wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:53:19 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:20:19 -0500, Boater
wrote:

About $8000 for the body only. (Yikes)

24,5 Megapixel in FX-Format
3D Color Matrix II, Center-Weighted and Spot Metering
1 - 7 fps
1/8000 to 30 seconds shutter
ISO equivalency 100 to 1,600
2 lb 11 oz / 1220 g
Price est. $7,995 USD body

Another FX-format camera means that Nikon will jump back with
both feet into the production of full-frame lenses, updating some
of the current ones and introducing new ones.
Ain't gonna matter. 4/3rds is going to rule the world.
Will that be at the same time or just after eTech Evinrudes
"capture" a larger market share than Yamaha four-strokes? :)

Same theory actually - the better things are fewer in number.

It's an age old axiom that consumer sheeple like you get suckered with
every day.

What are the advantages of the 4/3rd system vs Canon or Nikon?



Well, it has a smaller sensor than the DX cameras!

I really have no idea what the 4/3rd group is selling as their
advantages, but I had it was a way for those with smaller market share
to be able to group together to allow them to compete against Nikon and
Canon.


There's a good if lengthy rundown on DP Review:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse3/page35.asp is the
conclusion page.


Interestingly, the camera is the same size as the Nikon d300

Olympus 5.6" x 4.6" x 2.9 " 1.9 pounds
Nikon 5.8 4.5 2.9 2 pounds

I'm sure it is a fine camera. Olympus knows how to build cameras. The
advantages of Four-Thirds format in semi-pro cameras remain to be seen.

Only 8 large for new nikon camera
 

On Dec 1, 7:15*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports

Well, the obvious is because I own it and we all know that I am one to
emulate being the manly handsome dude that I am.

Who? YOU?



In short, advanced technolog - something not everybody appreciates.


Who? ME?

Only 8 large for new nikon camera
 

On Dec 1, 8:03*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports


Honest to pete Harry - wake the **** up.


"cough* i haven't heard that term since about 1981

Only 8 large for new nikon camera
 

On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:30:29 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 1, 7:15*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports

Well, the obvious is because I own it and we all know that I am one to
emulate being the manly handsome dude that I am.

Who? YOU?

Of course me - who else?

In short, advanced technology - something not everybody appreciates.

Who? ME?

If the shoe fits...

Only 8 large for new nikon camera
 

On Dec 1, 9:52*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:30:29 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 1, 7:15*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports

Well, the obvious is because I own it and we all know that I am one to
emulate being the manly handsome dude that I am.

Who? YOU?

Of course me - who else?

In short, advanced technology - something not everybody appreciates.

Who? *ME?

If the shoe fits...

14's?

Only 8 large for new nikon camera
 

On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:25:18 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 1, 9:52*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:30:29 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 1, 7:15*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports

Well, the obvious is because I own it and we all know that I am one to
emulate being the manly handsome dude that I am.

Who? YOU?

Of course me - who else?

In short, advanced technology - something not everybody appreciates.

Who? *ME?

If the shoe fits...

14's?

14? What - you Shaquille O'Neal?

Only 8 large for new nikon camera
 

On Dec 2, 4:30*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:25:18 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



On Dec 1, 9:52*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:30:29 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 1, 7:15*pm, Tom Francis - SWSports

Well, the obvious is because I own it and we all know that I am one to
emulate being the manly handsome dude that I am.

Who? YOU?

Of course me - who else?

In short, advanced technology - something not everybody appreciates..

Who? *ME?

If the shoe fits...

14's?

14? *What - you Shaquille O'Neal?

No, I just stand firm.

Only 8 large for new nikon camera
 

Boater wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Boater wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:53:19 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:20:19 -0500, Boater
wrote:

About $8000 for the body only. (Yikes)

24,5 Megapixel in FX-Format
3D Color Matrix II, Center-Weighted and Spot Metering
1 - 7 fps
1/8000 to 30 seconds shutter
ISO equivalency 100 to 1,600
2 lb 11 oz / 1220 g
Price est. $7,995 USD body

Another FX-format camera means that Nikon will jump back with
both feet into the production of full-frame lenses, updating
some of the current ones and introducing new ones.
Ain't gonna matter. 4/3rds is going to rule the world.
Will that be at the same time or just after eTech Evinrudes
"capture" a larger market share than Yamaha four-strokes? :)

Same theory actually - the better things are fewer in number.

It's an age old axiom that consumer sheeple like you get suckered with
every day.

What are the advantages of the 4/3rd system vs Canon or Nikon?



Well, it has a smaller sensor than the DX cameras!

I really have no idea what the 4/3rd group is selling as their
advantages, but I had it was a way for those with smaller market share
to be able to group together to allow them to compete against Nikon
and Canon.


There's a good if lengthy rundown on DP Review:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse3/page35.asp is the
conclusion page.


Interestingly, the camera is the same size as the Nikon d300

Olympus 5.6" x 4.6" x 2.9 " 1.9 pounds
Nikon 5.8 4.5 2.9 2 pounds

I'm sure it is a fine camera. Olympus knows how to build cameras. The
advantages of Four-Thirds format in semi-pro cameras remain to be seen.

That seemed to be a fairly objective review (very unusual for most mags
and web sites selling ads) and highlighted the pros and cons I have read
elsewhere.

For what it is worth, for a number of years, Nikon definitely trailed
behind Canon in both high end and point and shot digital cameras. It
was not until recently that they seemed to be the leader/innovator in
DSLR, including the prosumer and pro cameras. My guess is the state of
the art and the best in category camera will jump back and forth between
Canon and Nikon and neither will remain the top dog long enough enough
to get anyone to sell all of their glass to change brands. Today, it
looks like Nikon's aggressive design improvements has pushed it ahead of
Canon in the consumer and prosumer DSLR market.

As far as the consumer P&S market. in 2007 Nikon lagged behind Canon,
Sony, Kodak, Samsung and Olympus in that order. It wasn't till 2008
that Nikon really started to come up with competitive P&S cameras and
expanded it's line of low end DSLR. Coupled with an aggressive
marketing campaign, it will be interesting to see what that does to the
overall market share for digital cameras. I would be willing to bet
that Nikon exceeds Canon sales for the first time in a number of years.

From reading about the 4/3's system, it definitely has many advantages
and are used by some professionals whose needs are meet by the current
lens offered by Olympus. If you are a looking for a prosumer camera,
and have a large investment in Olympus glass, most amateurs would have a
hard time changing systems, especially if they prefer shooting in jpg vs
RAW and are not regularly shooting in low light, where Canon and Nikon
have the advantage.

Since it really isn't the camera or the glass that takes the photograph,
a first class award winning photograph can be taken with any camera,
including a hand made pin hole camera. Normally you only see passionate
arguments between Canon and Nikon users, so it is is nice to see someone
being passionate about Olympus. If you look at B&H enduser reviews,
they love the E-3.

Only 8 large for new nikon camera
 

On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:09:50 -0500, "Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq."
wrote:

If you look at B&H enduser reviews, they love the E-3.

I'll know today - the E-3 is on it's way and it out for delivery.

Whoo hoo!!

I spent a lot of time thining about the E-3 vs the Nikon D2X to tell
the truth. And your point about Oly glass is an important one, but I
was willing to over look that based strictly on the work that you and
Russ, as relatively raw amateurs, were doing with your cameras. I have
been truly impressed with Russ's work and yours.

It really came down to the fact that I've done some pretty good stuff
myself although my focus is on abstract and impressionist style rather
than strictly representational imagery. With all the glass I
currently own in both Zuiko 4/3rds and standard Zuiko OM it just
didn't make sense to change from Oly to Nikon.

Plus the fact that the 4/3rds format is strictly a full frame format
that is designed to work with the glass. Yes, there are low light
problems with 4/3rds because of sensor size, but that can be overcome
in post processing and from talking with several of the Olympus pros,
the E-3 has pretty much overcome that problem. I might add that the
520 also has a lot of the E-3 technology in it. You've seen some of
Rob's low light stuff and it's pretty impressive and Denis Grazic who
contributes to myfourthirds works exclusively in low light - well 90%
of the time anyway and he was just named an Olympus Visionary.

All kidding aside, I got into Oly very early when they were producing
the OM series. I felt, compared to my Nikon F-1 that is, they were
superior in most areas and that was in the 35 mm days - smaller,
lighter and to be perfectly honest (if only because I'm a putz - with
the RA/Lupus combination, I have a tendency to drop things) pretty
tough. When I broke my E-300, it dropped from a good five feet,
cracked the viewfinder, but the camera still takes really good images
- it's just annoying to have that cracked viewfinder.