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Nov 28, 11:59 PM EST Ohio police chief accidentally shoots himself MONROE, Ohio (AP) -- Police in southwestern Ohio say a police chief mistakenly shot himself in the thigh after giving his daughter a gun safety lesson. A police report says 54-year-old Middletown police Chief Greg Schwarber was preparing to clean his Glock .45-caliber pistol on Friday and didn't realize the gun was still loaded. The report written by officers from neighboring Monroe says the bullet entered Schwarber's leg just above the knee. When officers arrived, they found the chief lying on the floor with a towel covering his leg. Schwarber was taken to a hospital for treatment. The hospital had no record of Schwarber being treated or admitted. A home phone number for him couldn't be found. --- Information from: Journal, http://wwww.middletownjournal.com |
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On Nov 30, 5:34*pm, Boater wrote:
...is a safe gun. Nov 28, 11:59 PM EST Ohio police chief accidentally shoots himself MONROE, Ohio (AP) -- Police in southwestern Ohio say a police chief mistakenly shot himself in the thigh after giving his daughter a gun safety lesson. A police report says 54-year-old Middletown police Chief Greg Schwarber was preparing to clean his Glock .45-caliber pistol on Friday and didn't realize the gun was still loaded. The report written by officers from neighboring Monroe says the bullet entered Schwarber's leg just above the knee. When officers arrived, they found the chief lying on the floor with a towel covering his leg. Schwarber was taken to a hospital for treatment. The hospital had no record of Schwarber being treated or admitted. A home phone number for him couldn't be found. --- Information from: Journal,http://wwww.middletownjournal.com It's always amazing to hear storied abotu experienced people violating gun safty. Why do people do that? "The report written by officers from neighboring Monroe says the bullet entered Schwarber's leg just above the knee." A 45ACP? makes you wonder if he had a leg left? " Schwarber was taken to a hospital for treatment.The hospital had no record of Schwarber being treated or admitted. ..." Huh? |
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote:
...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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On Nov 30, 6:41*pm, Tim wrote:
On Nov 30, 5:34*pm, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. Nov 28, 11:59 PM EST Ohio police chief accidentally shoots himself MONROE, Ohio (AP) -- Police in southwestern Ohio say a police chief mistakenly shot himself in the thigh after giving his daughter a gun safety lesson. A police report says 54-year-old Middletown police Chief Greg Schwarber was preparing to clean his Glock .45-caliber pistol on Friday and didn't realize the gun was still loaded. The report written by officers from neighboring Monroe says the bullet entered Schwarber's leg just above the knee. When officers arrived, they found the chief lying on the floor with a towel covering his leg. Schwarber was taken to a hospital for treatment.. The hospital had no record of Schwarber being treated or admitted. A home phone number for him couldn't be found. --- Information from: Journal,http://wwww.middletownjournal.com It's always amazing to hear storied abotu experienced people violating gun safty. Why do people do that? "The report written by officers from neighboring Monroe says the bullet entered Schwarber's leg just above the knee." A 45ACP? makes you wonder if he had a leg left? " Schwarber was taken to a hospital for treatment.The hospital had no record of Schwarber being treated or admitted. ..." Huh?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My dad taught me there is no such thing as an "unloaded" gun, more people get killed with "unloaded" guns each year.... I was at a party once and an inlaw was showing us a pistol. I asked him why he was waving it around and he said, "it's ok, it's not loaed". I grabbed my wife and kid and left for the 100 mile trip home, right before dinner....idiot... |
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On Nov 30, 6:04*pm, JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 |
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Nov 30, 6:04*pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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JohnH wrote:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know better, but...no, they don't. |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know better, but...no, they don't. ~~ Snerk ~~ Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training in the US Army? |
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 08:28:46 -0500, Boater wrote:
JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know better, but...no, they don't. OK. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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Don White wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know better, but...no, they don't. ~~ Snerk ~~ Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training in the US Army? From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after "qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual. There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their non-military buddies. There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters. |
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 09:41:36 -0400, "Don White"
wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know better, but...no, they don't. ~~ Snerk ~~ Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training in the US Army? Not unless they're being assigned a new weapon in a new theater of operations. Then they'll undergo an orientation course. Most weapons training occurs during basic training, with annual requalifications thereafter. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote:
Don White wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know better, but...no, they don't. ~~ Snerk ~~ Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training in the US Army? From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after "qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual. There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their non-military buddies. There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters. The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote: Don White wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know better, but...no, they don't. ~~ Snerk ~~ Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training in the US Army? From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after "qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual. There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their non-military buddies. There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters. The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that? He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a figment of his over active imagination. |
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On Dec 1, 9:03*am, Boater wrote:
Don White wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know better, but...no, they don't. ~~ Snerk ~~ Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training in the US Army? *From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after "qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual. There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their non-military buddies. There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few * police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Holy ****! The narcissitic asshole now wants everyone here to believe he's SO much better at the firing range than "uniformed guys". |
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:51:18 -0500, jim wrote:
JohnH wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote: Don White wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know better, but...no, they don't. ~~ Snerk ~~ Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training in the US Army? From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after "qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual. There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their non-military buddies. There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters. The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that? He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a figment of his over active imagination. Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went through. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:25:06 -0500, JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:51:18 -0500, jim wrote: JohnH wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote: Don White wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know better, but...no, they don't. ~~ Snerk ~~ Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training in the US Army? From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after "qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual. There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their non-military buddies. There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters. The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that? He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a figment of his over active imagination. Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went through. Whoops. Forgot the URL: http://tinyurl.com/6d2rov -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:51:18 -0500, jim wrote: JohnH wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote: Don White wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know better, but...no, they don't. ~~ Snerk ~~ Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training in the US Army? From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after "qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual. There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their non-military buddies. There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters. The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that? He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a figment of his over active imagination. Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went through. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* One evening a week, 2-1/2 hours an evening, six weeks, John Herring. |
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JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:25:06 -0500, JohnH wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:51:18 -0500, jim wrote: JohnH wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote: Don White wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know better, but...no, they don't. ~~ Snerk ~~ Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training in the US Army? From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after "qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual. There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their non-military buddies. There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters. The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that? He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a figment of his over active imagination. Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went through. Whoops. Forgot the URL: http://tinyurl.com/6d2rov -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Wrong union. I am a professional writer/bricklayer. I have approached the Bricklayers Union with the idea of instituting a small arms precision brick cracking course. The only response I've gotten so far was "You sure are a dumb foch, Harry Krause." |
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:34:29 -0500, Boater wrote:
JohnH wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:51:18 -0500, jim wrote: JohnH wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote: Don White wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know better, but...no, they don't. ~~ Snerk ~~ Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training in the US Army? From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after "qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual. There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their non-military buddies. There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters. The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that? He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a figment of his over active imagination. Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went through. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* One evening a week, 2-1/2 hours an evening, six weeks, John Herring. Oh, OK. 18 hours sounds more reasonable than 6 weeks! -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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...is a safe gun. Nov 28, 11:59 PM EST Ohio police chief accidentally shoots himself Only someone experienced should handle a gun. Here is someone who knows how to properly handle a handgun. The best line is "I am the only one in this room qualified to handle a glock 40" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAVYFRM5Tl8 |
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"JohnH" wrote in message ... "Boater" wrote in message There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. John, you should invite Harry to go down to the range at the Norfolk Navy base. As retired military, I am sure you can go there and bring a guest. Mostly active duty Marines shooting there, keeping their qualifications up to date. I spent some time there with my son ... usually the only civilian in the joint. I was impressed. Eisboch |
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Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. Nov 28, 11:59 PM EST Ohio police chief accidentally shoots himself Only someone experienced should handle a gun. Here is someone who knows how to properly handle a handgun. The best line is "I am the only one in this room qualified to handle a glock 40" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAVYFRM5Tl8 Some cops seem to have "problems" handling firearms. BTW, there is no Glock 40. There are Glock models that shoot .40 S&W ammo, but their model numbers are Glock 22, 23, 27 and 35. The G27 is one I don't like to handle. It's very small and has a spectacular amount of muzzle flip. Anyone who likes manufactured items would really appreciate the simplicity and beauty of the Glock internals. The first time I field-stripped one, I could not believe how little there was to it. |
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On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 10:55:39 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message .. . "Boater" wrote in message There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. John, you should invite Harry to go down to the range at the Norfolk Navy base. As retired military, I am sure you can go there and bring a guest. Mostly active duty Marines shooting there, keeping their qualifications up to date. I spent some time there with my son ... usually the only civilian in the joint. I was impressed. Eisboch Yes, I should. But, this place is much closer. http://tinyurl.com/62ajt5 I'd hate to have some civilian embarrass the Marines though. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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On Dec 1, 10:59*am, Boater wrote:
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote: Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. Nov 28, 11:59 PM EST Ohio police chief accidentally shoots himself Only someone experienced should handle a gun. Here is someone who knows how to properly handle a handgun. The best line is "I am the only one in this room qualified to handle a glock 40" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAVYFRM5Tl8 Some cops seem to have "problems" handling firearms. BTW, there is no Glock 40. Pssst.......he didn't say there was a Glock MODEL 40. |
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On Dec 1, 10:55*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"JohnH" wrote in message ... "Boater" wrote in message There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet.. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. John, you should invite Harry to go down to the range at the Norfolk Navy base. As retired military, I am sure you can go there and bring a guest. Mostly active duty Marines shooting there, keeping their qualifications up to date. I spent some time there with my son ... usually the only civilian in the joint. *I was impressed. Eisboch With his attitude and vulgar nasty remarks, he'd get his fat ass kicked in about 10 seconds. |
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On Dec 1, 10:34*am, Boater wrote:
JohnH wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:51:18 -0500, jim wrote: JohnH wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 09:03:42 -0500, Boater wrote: Don White wrote: "Boater" wrote in message ... JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:29:13 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote: On Nov 30, 6:04 pm, JohnH wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:34:44 -0500, Boater wrote: ...is a safe gun. I hope no one believes that. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* evidently somebody did. he shot himself by accident. I did verify on Yahoo http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081129/...ce_chief_gun_1 Harry said, "A dirty gun... (in the header) ...is a safe gun. (in the body). I hope no one believes that a dirty gun is a safe gun. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* Gosh...the point was that there are so many accidental shootings related to gun cleaning, that it seemed that leaving the gun dirty was "safer." It was meant as a joke, especially since a chief of police apparently shot himself while cleaning a supposedly empty gun. You'd think cops would know better, but...no, they don't. ~~ Snerk ~~ Just wondering, do officers from the rank of Major up get firearms training in the US Army? From what I've seen at the range, real training seems to stop after "qualification" unless more training is pursued by the individual. There are plenty of active and ex-military shooters at the indoor range I frequent. It's a handgun or .22LR rifle range only, and is mostly frequented by the boys in blue (cops), but it's right near a base and there are frequently military guys in there shooting with their non-military buddies. There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet.. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few *police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters. The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that? He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a figment of his over active imagination. Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went through. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* One evening a week, 2-1/2 hours an evening, six weeks, John Herring.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nice flip and spin, asshole! |
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wrote: Nice flip and spin, asshole! I tried. What can I say. Call me asshole. I deserve it. I guess FloridaJim and Loogy don't like being filtered. Bye-bye. |
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Boater wrote:
boater wrote: wrote: Nice flip and spin, asshole! I tried. What can I say. Call me asshole. I deserve it. I guess FloridaJim and Loogy don't like being filtered. Bye-bye. Are you still here? You have said good bye 4 times already. |
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On Dec 1, 1:57*pm, Boater wrote:
boater wrote: wrote: Nice flip and spin, asshole! I tried. What can I say. Call me asshole. I deserve it. I guess FloridaJim and Loogy don't like being filtered. Bye-bye. Psssst, hey asshole, I don't give one little tiny **** what you do or don't do. Hell, no one can believe a word you say anyhow. |
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:39:37 -0500, Boater wrote: wrote: On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 11:16:45 -0800 (PST), wrote: On Dec 1, 1:57 pm, Boater wrote: boater wrote: wrote: Nice flip and spin, asshole! I tried. What can I say. Call me asshole. I deserve it. I guess FloridaJim and Loogy don't like being filtered. Bye-bye. Psssst, hey asshole, I don't give one little tiny **** what you do or don't do. Hell, no one can believe a word you say anyhow. It is abundantly clear from your incessant postings that you give a MASSIVE **** about Harry, and every bit of minutiae concerning him. It's all you ever post about. Ahhh, but I have him filtered out three ways to Sunday, along with his partner, FloridaJim, DK, and one or two other sloped foreheads. That cuts down substantially on the idiot traffic in here. If you stopped posting, it would cut it down even further. Awwwwww. You care! |
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On Dec 1, 2:59*pm, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote: "boater" wrote in message ... wrote: There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet.. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles.. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few *police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters. The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that? He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a figment of his over active imagination. Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went through. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* One evening a week, 2-1/2 hours an evening, six weeks, John Herring.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nice flip and spin, asshole! I tried. What can I say. Call me asshole. I deserve it. Did the filter fail? It's FloridaJim, using my "Boater" handle here. He's regressed further, if that is possible.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Liar. |
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wrote in message ... On Dec 1, 2:59 pm, Boater wrote: D.Duck wrote: "boater" wrote in message ... wrote: There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet.. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters. The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that? He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a figment of his over active imagination. Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went through. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* One evening a week, 2-1/2 hours an evening, six weeks, John Herring.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nice flip and spin, asshole! I tried. What can I say. Call me asshole. I deserve it. Did the filter fail? It's FloridaJim, using my "Boater" handle here. He's regressed further, if that is possible.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Liar. ========================= Check out the header. |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... D.Duck wrote: "boater" wrote in message ... wrote: There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet.. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters. The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that? He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a figment of his over active imagination. Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went through. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* One evening a week, 2-1/2 hours an evening, six weeks, John Herring.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nice flip and spin, asshole! I tried. What can I say. Call me asshole. I deserve it. Did the filter fail? It's FloridaJim, using my "Boater" handle here. He's regressed further, if that is possible. The lower case *b* didn't sink in. |
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On Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:44:09 -0500, Jim wrote:
wrote: On Dec 1, 2:59 pm, Boater wrote: D.Duck wrote: "boater" wrote in message ... wrote: There are very few good shooters among the uniformed guys, cops or military. I'm not saying there are none. There are some who are real marksmen with sidearms. But most I see don't shoot well. The cops are by far the worst, even at relatively short distances, like, oh, 21 feet.. Now, I would assume the military guys are more adept with rifles.. But I never see them shoot them, so I don't know for sure. Another range, one in Virginia where I took a six week small arms course, has an entirely different clientele, very few military, very few police, but an awfully high number of really good shooters. The real good military shooters don't waste time at civilian ranges. Most decent sized military installations have Rod and Gun Clubs with ranges on the installation. The ones you see in the civilian ranges are probably just too embarrassed to join the local Rod and Gun Club. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* I'm a bit curious about the 6 week small arms course that Harry supposedly took. How could he afford to take that amount of time from his busy work schedule to attend? Why would he take a course like that? He must be scared of something. On the other hand it could all be a figment of his over active imagination. Maybe through the SIU. They apparently provide small arms training. I don't know how it could take six weeks, unless they also provide training in small arms repair. Hell, Army Basic Training only took 8 weeks when I went through. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* One evening a week, 2-1/2 hours an evening, six weeks, John Herring.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Nice flip and spin, asshole! I tried. What can I say. Call me asshole. I deserve it. Did the filter fail? It's FloridaJim, using my "Boater" handle here. He's regressed further, if that is possible.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Liar. A little Harry trivia: Do you know that less than half the pupils entering the 9th grade at Harry's Alma Mater finish high school. Amazing but true. Did you know that the rate of new AIDS cases in Wash.DC is ten times the national average? Heard right here on the radio today. Damn shame. -- John H *Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!* |
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