Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 10:45*am, Boater wrote:
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? *Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...

The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.

Can you lead me to any credible news reports or court cases? I can for
union intimidation..


I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.

My dad was a Teamster for nearly 50 years, I paid my own Teamster dues
too.. So your still full of ****, unless the elites put union dock
workers into a different catergory than union "management"... When
you have actually spent time in the 135 degree warehouse, or the -20
degree chicken room, come talk to me. And I don't mean drining coffee
with the suits in the climate controled office. You see Harry, I have
been there, you just wouldn't understand...

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Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...


The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers will
do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there are more
than enough cards to secure an election.

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most union
workers.

Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 10:45*am, Boater wrote:
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? *Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...

The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.


Of course the employers don't want the union to get established. Why
would anyone want to suffer the same fate as the Big 3 automakers are,
having been sucked dry by the UAW?

It's funny to hear the pro-union trash on this NG whine about
intimidation. That's exactly how unions exist... through
intimidation. "Give us another raise and increase our benefits, or we
go on strike!"

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...

The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers will
do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there are more
than enough cards to secure an election.

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most union
workers.

Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?



Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.

In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.

If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting


I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my taste.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...

The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.

Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?

Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.

In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.

If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here under
union busting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting


I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my taste.

I think you avoided my question.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.

In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.

If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here under
union busting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting


I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my taste.

I think you avoided my question.




You missed the part about employer delays?

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...

The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the
intimidating processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the
vote. Employers will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union
vote, even when there are more than enough cards to secure an election.

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.

Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?


Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.

In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.

If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting

I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my taste.




http://www.unionfacts.com/
Like this

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

wrote in message
...

Of course the employers don't want the union to get established. Why
would anyone want to suffer the same fate as the Big 3 automakers are,
having been sucked dry by the UAW?

It's funny to hear the pro-union trash on this NG whine about
intimidation. That's exactly how unions exist... through
intimidation. "Give us another raise and increase our benefits, or we
go on strike!"

************************************************** ***********

You best stick to something you know...such as pleasuring the 'palm
sisters'.

In the last number of years where I worked, it was about continual
concessions.. one way of course with the unions on the losing end.
In the background ...always threats the location could be downsized.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.

In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.

If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here under
union busting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting


I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my taste.

I think you avoided my question.


This is what he's talking about

http://www.unionfacts.com/

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 11:29*am, "D.Duck" wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message

...





D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? *Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...

The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.

Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?

Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.

In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.

If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here under
union busting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting

I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my taste.

I think you avoided my question.- Hide quoted text -

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What's new? That's the low life's M.O.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 11:25*am, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? *Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...

The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers will
do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there are more
than enough cards to secure an election.

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most union
workers.

Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?

Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.

In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.

If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting

I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my taste..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

crickets you have answered nothing...

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 11:35*am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Of course the employers don't want the union to get established. *Why
would anyone want to suffer the same fate as the Big 3 automakers are,
having been sucked dry by the UAW?

It's funny to hear the pro-union trash on this NG whine about
intimidation. *That's exactly how unions exist... through
intimidation. *"Give us another raise and increase our benefits, or we
go on strike!"

************************************************** ***********

You best stick to something you know...such as pleasuring the 'palm
sisters'.

In the last number of years where I worked, it was about continual
concessions.. one way of course with the unions on the losing end.
*In the background ...always threats the location could be downsized.

Yeah, and who pushed the concessions votes? Probably your union
business agent who is soundly in the pocket of management :(

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 12:55*pm, wrote:
On Nov 25, 11:29*am, "D.Duck" wrote:





"Boater" wrote in message

...

D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? *Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...

The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.

Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?

Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.

In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.

If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here under
union busting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting

I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my taste.

I think you avoided my question.- Hide quoted text -

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What's new? That's the low life's M.O.- Hide quoted text -

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He has never aswered questions. Where have you been? He just spouts
the talking points and outshouts the opposition, it's been the DNC
tactic ever since the Clinton admin.. Censor anybody or threaten
anybody who does not toe the line, then shout over them...

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.

In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.

If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting


I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.

I think you avoided my question.


You missed the part about employer delays?

Mt point is, move up the election. If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

"Don White" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

Of course the employers don't want the union to get established. Why
would anyone want to suffer the same fate as the Big 3 automakers are,
having been sucked dry by the UAW?

It's funny to hear the pro-union trash on this NG whine about
intimidation. That's exactly how unions exist... through
intimidation. "Give us another raise and increase our benefits, or we
go on strike!"

************************************************** ***********

You best stick to something you know...such as pleasuring the 'palm
sisters'.

In the last number of years where I worked, it was about continual
concessions.. one way of course with the unions on the losing end.
In the background ...always threats the location could be downsized.


I don't know about recent years, but in the 70s/80s when I was corresponding
with the Canadian resident it seemed like the Canadian postal service was
always on strike.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 11:35*am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Of course the employers don't want the union to get established. *Why
would anyone want to suffer the same fate as the Big 3 automakers are,
having been sucked dry by the UAW?

It's funny to hear the pro-union trash on this NG whine about
intimidation. *That's exactly how unions exist... through
intimidation. *"Give us another raise and increase our benefits, or we
go on strike!"

************************************************** ***********

You best stick to something you know...such as pleasuring the 'palm
sisters'.

In the last number of years where I worked, it was about continual
concessions.. one way of course with the unions on the losing end.
*In the background ...always threats the location could be downsized.

Your story isn't relevant... I'm sure you worked someplace "special".

But do tell, Don... did you ever participate in a walk-out, a work
slowdown, or a strike? Did your union ever demand something and tell
the company if they didn't get it, they'd strike? You know, did they
use intimidation?

Probably not. You were a member of the puss union.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

"D.Duck" wrote in message
...

"Don White" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
...

Of course the employers don't want the union to get established. Why
would anyone want to suffer the same fate as the Big 3 automakers are,
having been sucked dry by the UAW?

It's funny to hear the pro-union trash on this NG whine about
intimidation. That's exactly how unions exist... through
intimidation. "Give us another raise and increase our benefits, or we
go on strike!"

************************************************** ***********

You best stick to something you know...such as pleasuring the 'palm
sisters'.

In the last number of years where I worked, it was about continual
concessions.. one way of course with the unions on the losing end.
In the background ...always threats the location could be downsized.


I don't know about recent years, but in the 70s/80s when I was
corresponding with the Canadian resident it seemed like the Canadian
postal service was always on strike.


The Post Office went through a rough time. Bosses used to fill the lower
management ranks with retired military types.
They wanted hard nosed yes men to use against the union rank & file.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

wrote in message
...
On Nov 25, 11:35 am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Of course the employers don't want the union to get established. Why
would anyone want to suffer the same fate as the Big 3 automakers are,
having been sucked dry by the UAW?

It's funny to hear the pro-union trash on this NG whine about
intimidation. That's exactly how unions exist... through
intimidation. "Give us another raise and increase our benefits, or we
go on strike!"

************************************************** ***********

You best stick to something you know...such as pleasuring the 'palm
sisters'.

In the last number of years where I worked, it was about continual
concessions.. one way of course with the unions on the losing end.
In the background ...always threats the location could be downsized.

Yeah, and who pushed the concessions votes? Probably your union
business agent who is soundly in the pocket of management :(

************************************************** ***
Naw, our leaders were working in our best interests. Our biggest problem
was providing a service in a competitive environment.
We weren't the only game in town and the Crown Corp could go on forever on
the billion dollars of taxpayer money received every year.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.

In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.

If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting


I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.

You missed the part about employer delays?

Mt point is, move up the election. If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.




There are many ways employers can delay a vote.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 3:09*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:04:37 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
He has never aswered questions. Where have you been? He just spouts
the talking points and outshouts the opposition, it's been the DNC
tactic ever since the Clinton admin.. Censor anybody or threaten
anybody who does not toe the line, then shout over them...

Or save time by simply shoving them down the stairs.

You've got to be some piece of work to be shoved down the stairs by the
cops in a small town police station. In New York, they would have bent
him over and shoved a broomstick up his butt. He must have mouthed off
big time.

Police brutality is actually quite common place, but we all know that
you wouldn't let facts get in the way of your low life behavior.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 3:09*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:04:37 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
He has never aswered questions. Where have you been? He just spouts
the talking points and outshouts the opposition, it's been the DNC
tactic ever since the Clinton admin.. Censor anybody or threaten
anybody who does not toe the line, then shout over them...

Or save time by simply shoving them down the stairs.

You've got to be some piece of work to be shoved down the stairs by the
cops in a small town police station. In New York, they would have bent
him over and shoved a broomstick up his butt. He must have mouthed off
big time.

Isn't that sweet, you got salty hiding under your desk,, is he playing
with your skirt?

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 3:10*pm, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? *Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.

In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.

If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting

I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.

You missed the part about employer delays?

Mt point is, move up the election. *If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.

There are many ways employers can delay a vote.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's been hours Harry, can't you google up any answers yet? You still
haven't answered one question today..

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 3:19*pm, wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:09*pm, Boater wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:04:37 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
He has never aswered questions. Where have you been? He just spouts
the talking points and outshouts the opposition, it's been the DNC
tactic ever since the Clinton admin.. Censor anybody or threaten
anybody who does not toe the line, then shout over them...

Or save time by simply shoving them down the stairs.

You've got to be some piece of work to be shoved down the stairs by the
cops in a small town police station. In New York, they would have bent
him over and shoved a broomstick up his butt. He must have mouthed off
big time.

Police brutality is actually quite common place, but we all know that
you wouldn't let facts get in the way of your low life behavior.

Forget Salty, he is a cowardly little troll, not worth your time, he
is just words, never man enough to back em' up..

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:10 pm, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.
Here is the question in English:
Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??
Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.
I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.
In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.
If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.
You missed the part about employer delays?
Mt point is, move up the election. If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.
There are many ways employers can delay a vote.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's been hours Harry, can't you google up any answers yet? You still
haven't answered one question today..


You can't read? I told you: when you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and simple
sentences.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 3:48*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:10 pm, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.
Here is the question in English:
Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? *Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??
Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.
I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.
In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election..
If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.
You missed the part about employer delays?
Mt point is, move up the election. *If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.
There are many ways employers can delay a vote.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's been hours Harry, can't you google up any answers yet? *You still
haven't answered one question today..

You can't read? I told you: *when you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and simple
sentences.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No you won't, you can't but at least you are the only one here who
believes you here.. We all know you are full of **** and have no
interest in anything beyond your own selfish liberal agenda...

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:48 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:10 pm, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.
Here is the question in English:
Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??
Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.
I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.
In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.
If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.
You missed the part about employer delays?
Mt point is, move up the election. If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.
There are many ways employers can delay a vote.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's been hours Harry, can't you google up any answers yet? You still
haven't answered one question today..
You can't read? I told you: when you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and simple
sentences.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No you won't, you can't but at least you are the only one here who
believes you here.. We all know you are full of **** and have no
interest in anything beyond your own selfish liberal agenda...

As previously stated:

When you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and
simple sentences.-

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

wrote in message
...
On Nov 25, 11:35 am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Of course the employers don't want the union to get established. Why
would anyone want to suffer the same fate as the Big 3 automakers are,
having been sucked dry by the UAW?

It's funny to hear the pro-union trash on this NG whine about
intimidation. That's exactly how unions exist... through
intimidation. "Give us another raise and increase our benefits, or we
go on strike!"

************************************************** ***********

You best stick to something you know...such as pleasuring the 'palm
sisters'.

In the last number of years where I worked, it was about continual
concessions.. one way of course with the unions on the losing end.
In the background ...always threats the location could be downsized.

Your story isn't relevant... I'm sure you worked someplace "special".

But do tell, Don... did you ever participate in a walk-out, a work
slowdown, or a strike? Did your union ever demand something and tell
the company if they didn't get it, they'd strike? You know, did they
use intimidation?

Probably not. You were a member of the puss union.
************************************************** ****

One year, we refused their usual demands to weaken our contract and they
'locked us out'.
Yours truly handled the 'strike pay'
I have a hammed-up picture somewhere of the female vice president on her
knees begging for money while I play scrooge, with wads of $20 bills falling
out of every pocket I had. Life on the actual line got tedius after 3
weeks...and of course it was winter.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 3:52*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:48 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:10 pm, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.
Here is the question in English:
Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? *Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??
Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.
I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications..
In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.
If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.
You missed the part about employer delays?
Mt point is, move up the election. *If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.
There are many ways employers can delay a vote.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's been hours Harry, can't you google up any answers yet? *You still
haven't answered one question today..
You can't read? I told you: *when you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and simple
sentences.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No you won't, you can't but at least you are the only one here who
believes you here.. We all know you are full of **** and have no
interest in anything beyond your own selfish liberal agenda...

As previously stated:

When you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
* time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and
simple sentences.-- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But Harry, you are a liar... why should anyone trust you now after
over a decade of your bull?

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:52 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:48 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:10 pm, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.
Here is the question in English:
Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??
Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.
I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.
In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.
If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.
You missed the part about employer delays?
Mt point is, move up the election. If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.
There are many ways employers can delay a vote.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's been hours Harry, can't you google up any answers yet? You still
haven't answered one question today..
You can't read? I told you: when you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and simple
sentences.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
No you won't, you can't but at least you are the only one here who
believes you here.. We all know you are full of **** and have no
interest in anything beyond your own selfish liberal agenda...
As previously stated:

When you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and
simple sentences.-- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

But Harry, you are a liar... why should anyone trust you now after
over a decade of your bull?


You're just proving my point...you cannot behave and therefore you are
not worth the time for a civilized discussion.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 3:52*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:48 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:10 pm, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.
Here is the question in English:
Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? *Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??
Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.
I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications..
In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.
If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.
You missed the part about employer delays?
Mt point is, move up the election. *If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.
There are many ways employers can delay a vote.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's been hours Harry, can't you google up any answers yet? *You still
haven't answered one question today..
You can't read? I told you: *when you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and simple
sentences.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No you won't, you can't but at least you are the only one here who
believes you here.. We all know you are full of **** and have no
interest in anything beyond your own selfish liberal agenda...

As previously stated:

When you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
* time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and
simple sentences.-- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:


Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??


Thanks, Just Wait...

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:37:42 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:



The Post Office went through a rough time. Bosses used to fill the lower
management ranks with retired military types.
They wanted hard nosed yes men to use against the union rank & file.

Hadn't thought of this in years, but most of my managers in union
shops were hard asses. They had to be.

--Vic

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:09:07 -0500, Boater wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:04:37 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
He has never aswered questions. Where have you been? He just spouts
the talking points and outshouts the opposition, it's been the DNC
tactic ever since the Clinton admin.. Censor anybody or threaten
anybody who does not toe the line, then shout over them...

Or save time by simply shoving them down the stairs.

You've got to be some piece of work to be shoved down the stairs by the
cops in a small town police station. In New York, they would have bent
him over and shoved a broomstick up his butt. He must have mouthed off
big time.

Wow, Harry!

Donnie *and* Salty! You are one popular little bugger. I can only dream of
having such faithful followers.
--
A Harry Krause truism:

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:55:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Nov 25, 3:52*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:48 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:10 pm, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.
Here is the question in English:
Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? *Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??
Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.
I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.
In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.
If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.
You missed the part about employer delays?
Mt point is, move up the election. *If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.
There are many ways employers can delay a vote.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's been hours Harry, can't you google up any answers yet? *You still
haven't answered one question today..
You can't read? I told you: *when you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and simple
sentences.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No you won't, you can't but at least you are the only one here who
believes you here.. We all know you are full of **** and have no
interest in anything beyond your own selfish liberal agenda...

As previously stated:

When you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
* time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and
simple sentences.-- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:


Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??


Thanks, Just Wait...

What is the point?
--
A Harry Krause truism:

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

On Nov 25, 8:47*pm, JohnH wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 12:55:41 -0800 (PST),
wrote:





On Nov 25, 3:52*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:48 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 25, 3:10 pm, Boater wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
D.Duck wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
. ..
wrote:
Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.
Here is the question in English:
Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? *Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??
Thanks, Just Wait...
The problem is, you simply do not understand what Reich was alluding
to...it wasn't the ballot itself, but what happens in the intimidating
processes perpetrated by employers leading up to the vote. Employers
will do whatever they can to chill the pro-union vote, even when there
are more than enough cards to secure an election.
I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.
Why can't the secret vote be taken in a much more timely manor?
Without getting into a presentation of a dissertation, let me just say
that in the last eight years the Bush Admin has stacked the deck against
unions in terms of union elections, decerts, allowing employer
intimidation, employer delays and packing the NLRB courts. Some of that
will change with the new administration, and if it does, and the playing
field is fairer, there will be less call for card certifications.
In recent years, a favorite tactic of employers has been to refuse to
negotiate in good faith, even after a union has won a rep election.
If you are interested in the subject, there's a decent synopsis here
under union busting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_busting
I must say, I am much more a fan of the old-fashioned school of union
organizing. What happens today is far too "white collar-ish" for my
taste.
I think you avoided my question.
You missed the part about employer delays?
Mt point is, move up the election. *If they can legislate check cards, they
can legislate the vote delay.
There are many ways employers can delay a vote.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's been hours Harry, can't you google up any answers yet? *You still
haven't answered one question today..
You can't read? I told you: *when you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and simple
sentences.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No you won't, you can't but at least you are the only one here who
believes you here.. We all know you are full of **** and have no
interest in anything beyond your own selfish liberal agenda...

As previously stated:

When you demonstrate you can
"debate/discuss" topics in a civilized adult manner, I will take the
* time to take you seriously. Until then, you get short answers and
simple sentences.-- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Would one of you please put this question into a form that even Harry
can understand so we can get an answer? Apparently the Elite left has
lost so much touch with the middle class in America, they don't even
speak English anymore.. Thank you, I am sure others are interested in
this issue.

Here is the question in English:

Just watching CNN. Robert Reich is saying the secret ballot makes it
possible for companies to intimidate workers?? *Can you explain how
not knowing how someone votes can create intimidation, and going to
their homes, with their wives and children home with a ballot and
asking them to check off a box in front of union thugs doesn't ??

Thanks, Just Wait...

What is the point?
--
A Harry Krause truism:

"It's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus!"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I just like seeing Harry squirm around with the other two hs dropouts..

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

"JohnH" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:09:07 -0500, Boater wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:04:37 -0800 (PST),
wrote:
He has never aswered questions. Where have you been? He just spouts
the talking points and outshouts the opposition, it's been the DNC
tactic ever since the Clinton admin.. Censor anybody or threaten
anybody who does not toe the line, then shout over them...

Or save time by simply shoving them down the stairs.

You've got to be some piece of work to be shoved down the stairs by the
cops in a small town police station. In New York, they would have bent
him over and shoved a broomstick up his butt. He must have mouthed off
big time.

Wow, Harry!

Donnie *and* Salty! You are one popular little bugger. I can only dream of
having such faithful followers.
--

Too bad you didn't learn to lead men when in the US Army.
Now your Dope Army irregulars are completly undisciplined and out of
control.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

I must say, I've gotten a kick over the years of the anti-unionism
expressed here by guys who couldn't qualify as an apprentice to most
union workers.


Brilliant, and I'll bet, right on the nail with that one.

Hey Eisboch, SW Tom...!!!
 

It's funny to hear the pro-union trash on this NG whine about
intimidation. That's exactly how unions exist... through
intimidation. "Give us another raise and increase our benefits, or
we
go on strike!"

Well, you get the Electric Company, the Gas Company, and the Taxes to
go DOWN 13%....and I'll TAKE the wage concession...till then...go ****
yourself.
The Poster sounds like a middle-management loser........