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Boater November 20th 08 07:03 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 

Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy


In the first two weeks since the election, President-elect Barack Obama
has broken with a tradition established over the past eight years
through his controversial use of complete sentences, political observers
say.

Millions of Americans who watched Mr. Obama's appearance on CBS's 60
Minutes on Sunday witnessed the president-elect's unorthodox verbal
tick, which had Mr. Obama employing grammatically correct sentences
virtually every time he opened his mouth.

But Mr. Obama's decision to use complete sentences in his public
pronouncements carries with it certain risks, since after the last eight
years many Americans may find his odd speaking style jarring.

According to presidential historian Davis Logsdon of the University of
Minnesota, some Americans might find it "alienating" to have a president
who speaks English as if it were his first language.

"Every time Obama opens his mouth, his subjects and verbs are in
agreement," says Mr. Logsdon. "If he keeps it up, he is running the risk
of sounding like an elitist."

The historian said that if Mr. Obama insists on using complete sentences
in his speeches, the public may find itself saying, "Okay, subject,
predicate, subject predicate -- we get it, stop showing off."

The president-elect's stubborn insistence on using complete sentences
has already attracted a rebuke from one of his harshest critics, Gov.
Sarah Palin of Alaska.

"Talking with complete sentences there and also too talking in a way
that ordinary Americans like Joe the Plumber and Tito the Builder can't
really do there, I think needing to do that isn't tapping into what
Americans are needing also," she said.

Andy Borowitz is a comedian and writer whose work appears in The New
Yorker and The New York Times, and at his award-winning humor site,
BorowitzReport.com.

Jim November 20th 08 07:17 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
Krause does have a funny bone. Unfortunately his grammar is wasted on
about half his constituency. They like him because he looks purdy.
Boater wrote:

Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy


In the first two weeks since the election, President-elect Barack Obama
has broken with a tradition established over the past eight years
through his controversial use of complete sentences, political observers
say.

Millions of Americans who watched Mr. Obama's appearance on CBS's 60
Minutes on Sunday witnessed the president-elect's unorthodox verbal
tick, which had Mr. Obama employing grammatically correct sentences
virtually every time he opened his mouth.

But Mr. Obama's decision to use complete sentences in his public
pronouncements carries with it certain risks, since after the last eight
years many Americans may find his odd speaking style jarring.

According to presidential historian Davis Logsdon of the University of
Minnesota, some Americans might find it "alienating" to have a president
who speaks English as if it were his first language.

"Every time Obama opens his mouth, his subjects and verbs are in
agreement," says Mr. Logsdon. "If he keeps it up, he is running the risk
of sounding like an elitist."

The historian said that if Mr. Obama insists on using complete sentences
in his speeches, the public may find itself saying, "Okay, subject,
predicate, subject predicate -- we get it, stop showing off."

The president-elect's stubborn insistence on using complete sentences
has already attracted a rebuke from one of his harshest critics, Gov.
Sarah Palin of Alaska.

"Talking with complete sentences there and also too talking in a way
that ordinary Americans like Joe the Plumber and Tito the Builder can't
really do there, I think needing to do that isn't tapping into what
Americans are needing also," she said.

Andy Borowitz is a comedian and writer whose work appears in The New
Yorker and The New York Times, and at his award-winning humor site,
BorowitzReport.com.


Jim November 20th 08 07:23 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
Belay my last. This should make more sense.
jim wrote:
Krause does have a funny bone. Unfortunately Obama's grammar is wasted on
about half his constituency. They like him because he looks purdy.
Boater wrote:

Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy

(Cut and paste stuff removed)

Boater November 20th 08 07:43 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
jim wrote:
Belay my last. This should make more sense.
jim wrote:
Krause does have a funny bone. Unfortunately Obama's grammar is wasted
on about half his constituency. They like him because he looks purdy.
Boater wrote:

Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy

(Cut and paste stuff removed)



I still cringe every time I hear Bush speak. To me, he always sounds as
if he is reading a script he doesn't understand. Obama sounds a hell of
a lot better to me. I hear him and I think..."smart." Proper use of
language is an important asset for the leader of the free world.

Jim November 20th 08 08:04 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
Boater wrote:
jim wrote:
Belay my last. This should make more sense.
jim wrote:
Krause does have a funny bone. Unfortunately Obama's grammar is
wasted on about half his constituency. They like him because he looks
purdy.
Boater wrote:

Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy

(Cut and paste stuff removed)



I still cringe every time I hear Bush speak. To me, he always sounds as
if he is reading a script he doesn't understand. Obama sounds a hell of
a lot better to me. I hear him and I think..."smart." Proper use of
language is an important asset for the leader of the free world.

You should play a Bush tape from 2000 along side one from 2008. He's
doing much better.

I hope Obama is more than a one trick pony. There is a lot more he needs
to show us before I am comfortable with him. Make some REAL headway
against the terrorists and resist the temptation to bail out every
failing business that claims the economy can't recover without them. He
promised a fresh start. Let him start proving it. I see same ole same
ole so far.

Jim November 20th 08 08:13 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:04:43 -0500, Jim wrote:

Boater wrote:
jim wrote:
Belay my last. This should make more sense.
jim wrote:
Krause does have a funny bone. Unfortunately Obama's grammar is
wasted on about half his constituency. They like him because he looks
purdy.
Boater wrote:
Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy

(Cut and paste stuff removed)

I still cringe every time I hear Bush speak. To me, he always sounds as
if he is reading a script he doesn't understand. Obama sounds a hell of
a lot better to me. I hear him and I think..."smart." Proper use of
language is an important asset for the leader of the free world.

You should play a Bush tape from 2000 along side one from 2008. He's
doing much better.

I hope Obama is more than a one trick pony. There is a lot more he needs
to show us before I am comfortable with him. Make some REAL headway
against the terrorists and resist the temptation to bail out every
failing business that claims the economy can't recover without them. He
promised a fresh start. Let him start proving it. I see same ole same
ole so far.


He takes office near the end of january.



He's making semi critical decisions right now.

Boater November 20th 08 08:14 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:04:43 -0500, Jim wrote:

Boater wrote:
jim wrote:
Belay my last. This should make more sense.
jim wrote:
Krause does have a funny bone. Unfortunately Obama's grammar is
wasted on about half his constituency. They like him because he looks
purdy.
Boater wrote:
Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy

(Cut and paste stuff removed)

I still cringe every time I hear Bush speak. To me, he always sounds as
if he is reading a script he doesn't understand. Obama sounds a hell of
a lot better to me. I hear him and I think..."smart." Proper use of
language is an important asset for the leader of the free world.

You should play a Bush tape from 2000 along side one from 2008. He's
doing much better.

I hope Obama is more than a one trick pony. There is a lot more he needs
to show us before I am comfortable with him. Make some REAL headway
against the terrorists and resist the temptation to bail out every
failing business that claims the economy can't recover without them. He
promised a fresh start. Let him start proving it. I see same ole same
ole so far.


He takes office near the end of january.


Crikey...Bush hasn't left yet? What's keeping him here? Signing
statements? Pardons? :)

Jim November 20th 08 09:26 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:13:08 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:04:43 -0500, Jim wrote:

Boater wrote:
jim wrote:
Belay my last. This should make more sense.
jim wrote:
Krause does have a funny bone. Unfortunately Obama's grammar is
wasted on about half his constituency. They like him because he looks
purdy.
Boater wrote:
Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy

(Cut and paste stuff removed)
I still cringe every time I hear Bush speak. To me, he always sounds as
if he is reading a script he doesn't understand. Obama sounds a hell of
a lot better to me. I hear him and I think..."smart." Proper use of
language is an important asset for the leader of the free world.
You should play a Bush tape from 2000 along side one from 2008. He's
doing much better.

I hope Obama is more than a one trick pony. There is a lot more he needs
to show us before I am comfortable with him. Make some REAL headway
against the terrorists and resist the temptation to bail out every
failing business that claims the economy can't recover without them. He
promised a fresh start. Let him start proving it. I see same ole same
ole so far.
He takes office near the end of january.


He's making semi critical decisions right now.



You are ejaculating extremely prematurely. He takes office in late
January.

You're absolutely right. Send him on vacation to the South of France. He
can assemble his team after Jan. 20.

[email protected] November 20th 08 09:37 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
On Nov 20, 3:14*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:04:43 -0500, Jim wrote:


Boater wrote:
jim wrote:
Belay my last. This should make more sense.
jim wrote:
Krause does have a funny bone. Unfortunately Obama's grammar is
wasted on about half his constituency. They like him because he looks
purdy.
Boater wrote:
Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy


(Cut and paste stuff removed)


I still cringe every time I hear Bush speak. To me, he always sounds as
if he is reading a script he doesn't understand. Obama sounds a hell of
a lot better to me. I hear him and I think..."smart." Proper use of
language is an important asset for the leader of the free world.
You should play a Bush tape from 2000 along side one from 2008. He's
doing much better.


I hope Obama is more than a one trick pony. There is a lot more he needs
to show us before I am comfortable with him. Make some REAL headway
against the terrorists and resist the temptation to bail out every
failing business that claims the economy can't recover without them. He
promised a fresh start. Let him start proving it. I see same ole same
ole so far.


He takes office near the end of january.


Crikey...Bush hasn't left yet? *What's keeping him here? Signing
statements? Pardons? * :)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Perhaps because his term isn't up yet??? Ya think?

[email protected] November 20th 08 10:30 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:26:43 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:13:08 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:04:43 -0500, Jim wrote:

Boater wrote:
jim wrote:
Belay my last. This should make more sense.
jim wrote:
Krause does have a funny bone. Unfortunately Obama's grammar is
wasted on about half his constituency. They like him because he looks
purdy.
Boater wrote:
Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy

(Cut and paste stuff removed)
I still cringe every time I hear Bush speak. To me, he always sounds as
if he is reading a script he doesn't understand. Obama sounds a hell of
a lot better to me. I hear him and I think..."smart." Proper use of
language is an important asset for the leader of the free world.
You should play a Bush tape from 2000 along side one from 2008. He's
doing much better.

I hope Obama is more than a one trick pony. There is a lot more he needs
to show us before I am comfortable with him. Make some REAL headway
against the terrorists and resist the temptation to bail out every
failing business that claims the economy can't recover without them. He
promised a fresh start. Let him start proving it. I see same ole same
ole so far.
He takes office near the end of january.


He's making semi critical decisions right now.



You are ejaculating extremely prematurely. He takes office in late
January.

You're absolutely right. Send him on vacation to the South of France. He
can assemble his team after Jan. 20.


Maybe we should be discussing how Bush is doing so far as a former
president. Surely you already know how that turned out as well!


Jim November 20th 08 10:56 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:26:43 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:13:08 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:04:43 -0500, Jim wrote:

Boater wrote:
jim wrote:
Belay my last. This should make more sense.
jim wrote:
Krause does have a funny bone. Unfortunately Obama's grammar is
wasted on about half his constituency. They like him because he looks
purdy.
Boater wrote:
Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy

(Cut and paste stuff removed)
I still cringe every time I hear Bush speak. To me, he always sounds as
if he is reading a script he doesn't understand. Obama sounds a hell of
a lot better to me. I hear him and I think..."smart." Proper use of
language is an important asset for the leader of the free world.
You should play a Bush tape from 2000 along side one from 2008. He's
doing much better.

I hope Obama is more than a one trick pony. There is a lot more he needs
to show us before I am comfortable with him. Make some REAL headway
against the terrorists and resist the temptation to bail out every
failing business that claims the economy can't recover without them. He
promised a fresh start. Let him start proving it. I see same ole same
ole so far.
He takes office near the end of january.

He's making semi critical decisions right now.

You are ejaculating extremely prematurely. He takes office in late
January.

You're absolutely right. Send him on vacation to the South of France. He
can assemble his team after Jan. 20.


Maybe we should be discussing how Bush is doing so far as a former
president. Surely you already know how that turned out as well!

Don't look back.

Boater November 20th 08 11:46 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 16:26:43 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:13:08 -0500, Jim wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:04:43 -0500, Jim wrote:

Boater wrote:
jim wrote:
Belay my last. This should make more sense.
jim wrote:
Krause does have a funny bone. Unfortunately Obama's grammar is
wasted on about half his constituency. They like him because he looks
purdy.
Boater wrote:
Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy

(Cut and paste stuff removed)
I still cringe every time I hear Bush speak. To me, he always sounds as
if he is reading a script he doesn't understand. Obama sounds a hell of
a lot better to me. I hear him and I think..."smart." Proper use of
language is an important asset for the leader of the free world.
You should play a Bush tape from 2000 along side one from 2008. He's
doing much better.

I hope Obama is more than a one trick pony. There is a lot more he needs
to show us before I am comfortable with him. Make some REAL headway
against the terrorists and resist the temptation to bail out every
failing business that claims the economy can't recover without them. He
promised a fresh start. Let him start proving it. I see same ole same
ole so far.
He takes office near the end of january.

He's making semi critical decisions right now.

You are ejaculating extremely prematurely. He takes office in late
January.

You're absolutely right. Send him on vacation to the South of France. He
can assemble his team after Jan. 20.


Maybe we should be discussing how Bush is doing so far as a former
president. Surely you already know how that turned out as well!



I predict he's going to show up drunk a lot.

Tim November 21st 08 03:08 AM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
On Nov 20, 1:43*pm, Boater wrote:
jim wrote:
Belay my last. This should make more sense.
jim wrote:
Krause does have a funny bone. Unfortunately Obama's grammar is wasted
on about half his constituency. They like him because he looks purdy.
Boater wrote:


Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy


(Cut and paste stuff removed)


I still cringe every time I hear Bush speak. To me, he always sounds as
if he is reading a script he doesn't understand. Obama sounds a hell of
a lot better to me. I hear him and I think..."smart." Proper use of
language is an important asset for the leader of the free world.


you might be on to something there, Harry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc

Tim November 21st 08 03:14 AM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
On Nov 20, 2:04*pm, Jim wrote:

He promised a fresh start. Let him start proving it. I see same ole same ole so far.



i wish him all the best too. I dont' see how he plans to accomplish
even a third of what he's promised, but I do wish him well.

But concernign the "same ol' same ol" i am wondering about that.

could it be of his chosing and re-apointing of the Clintonista
cartel?

Jim November 21st 08 01:42 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 1:43 pm, Boater wrote:
jim wrote:
Belay my last. This should make more sense.
jim wrote:
Krause does have a funny bone. Unfortunately Obama's grammar is wasted
on about half his constituency. They like him because he looks purdy.
Boater wrote:
Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy
(Cut and paste stuff removed)

I still cringe every time I hear Bush speak. To me, he always sounds as
if he is reading a script he doesn't understand. Obama sounds a hell of
a lot better to me. I hear him and I think..."smart." Proper use of
language is an important asset for the leader of the free world.


you might be on to something there, Harry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc


Tim, shame on you. ;-)

Jim November 21st 08 01:48 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 2:04 pm, Jim wrote:

He promised a fresh start. Let him start proving it. I see same ole same ole so far.



i wish him all the best too. I dont' see how he plans to accomplish
even a third of what he's promised, but I do wish him well.

But concernign the "same ol' same ol" i am wondering about that.

could it be of his chosing and re-apointing of the Clintonista
cartel?


Partly. You won't find many fresh healthy fish in the pond he is fishing in.

BAR[_3_] November 22nd 08 12:16 AM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
Jim wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 2:04 pm, Jim wrote:

He promised a fresh start. Let him start proving it. I see same
ole same ole so far.


i wish him all the best too. I dont' see how he plans to accomplish
even a third of what he's promised, but I do wish him well.

But concernign the "same ol' same ol" i am wondering about that.

could it be of his chosing and re-apointing of the Clintonista
cartel?

Partly. You won't find many fresh healthy fish in the pond he is
fishing in.


Yeah. Obama should be naming top-drawer, experienced execs like, oh,
Brownie or Gonzales.

This isn't about Bush.



Sure it is. Obama will be busy for years cleaning up after Bush's
failures.

You are mired down in a blame game that is consuming you. Get on with
your life. You have your Democratic majority and your democratic
president. Your "if only...blah blah.........we could Blah blah blah"
has come true. NO MORE EXCUSES. Get to work, Democrats.


The D's have all the power to implement their polices now. And, no one
to blame if things don't work, things go wrong, or if the public says
hell no.

DK November 22nd 08 01:36 AM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 2:04 pm, Jim wrote:

He promised a fresh start. Let him start proving it. I see same ole same ole so far.



i wish him all the best too. I dont' see how he plans to accomplish
even a third of what he's promised, but I do wish him well.

But concernign the "same ol' same ol" i am wondering about that.

could it be of his chosing and re-apointing of the Clintonista
cartel?


He doesn't promise to accomplish anything. He quickly said it could
take "more than a term" AFTER he was elected. Anyone could have pulled
that stunt.

DK November 22nd 08 01:38 AM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
Boater wrote:
Jim wrote:
Boater wrote:
Jim wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Nov 20, 2:04 pm, Jim wrote:

He promised a fresh start. Let him start proving it. I see same
ole same ole so far.


i wish him all the best too. I dont' see how he plans to accomplish
even a third of what he's promised, but I do wish him well.

But concernign the "same ol' same ol" i am wondering about that.

could it be of his chosing and re-apointing of the Clintonista
cartel?

Partly. You won't find many fresh healthy fish in the pond he is
fishing in.


Yeah. Obama should be naming top-drawer, experienced execs like, oh,
Brownie or Gonzales.


This isn't about Bush.



Sure it is. Obama will be busy for years cleaning up after Bush's failures.


....And the Democratic congress. Does Karen let you read the paper they
deliver to her door?

JohnH[_3_] November 23rd 08 09:06 PM

Use of complete sentences stirs controversy
 
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:08:24 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Nov 20, 1:43*pm, Boater wrote:
jim wrote:
Belay my last. This should make more sense.
jim wrote:
Krause does have a funny bone. Unfortunately Obama's grammar is wasted
on about half his constituency. They like him because he looks purdy.
Boater wrote:


Obama's Use of Complete Sentences Stirs Controversy


(Cut and paste stuff removed)


I still cringe every time I hear Bush speak. To me, he always sounds as
if he is reading a script he doesn't understand. Obama sounds a hell of
a lot better to me. I hear him and I think..."smart." Proper use of
language is an important asset for the leader of the free world.


you might be on to something there, Harry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc


LMAO!

How good. Thanks Tim.
--
John H.


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