Match made in heaven?
 

The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to watch
unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but to
appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills in
other areas.

Eisboch

Match made in heaven?
 

Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to watch
unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but to
appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills in
other areas.

Eisboch




Your conclusions are based upon?

Match made in heaven?
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to watch
unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills
in other areas.

Eisboch


Your conclusions are based upon?


The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public and
appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for Obama's team
to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process, and
Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers are
going to scream bloody murder. Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

Eisboch

Match made in heaven?
 

Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to watch
unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but to
appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills in
other areas.

The Obama isn't as adept at national and international politics as he
would like to believe himself to be.

Who do we want for Secretary of Interior, get a name out fast. Whomever
you name will not deny it and The Obama will have a hard time saying
that he didn't intend to appoint that person.

The Internet moves too fast these days.

Match made in heaven?
 

"Jim" wrote in message
...



We don't want the tail to be wagging the dog.


Seems like I've heard that expression before.

Eisboch

Match made in heaven?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to watch
unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills
in other areas.

Eisboch

Your conclusions are based upon?


The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public and
appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for Obama's team
to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process, and
Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers are
going to scream bloody murder. Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

Eisboch


Maybe not. Obama could counter with the position that he withdraws her
from consideration due to the Clinton's propensity to be manipulative
and not be trusted by anyone , even the president of these United States
Of America. I sure hope he shows the country that He's smart enough to
deal with them. We don't want the tail to be wagging the dog.

Match made in heaven?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to watch
unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills
in other areas.

Eisboch

Your conclusions are based upon?


The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public and
appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for Obama's team
to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process, and
Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers are
going to scream bloody murder. Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

Eisboch




This is really funny. When you are vetted by the FBI for a high level
job, all manner of people are contacted about you. There are dozens of
people who have been contacted about Hillary for this potential job. But
Hillary or Bill leaked it. Right.

Match made in heaven?
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and
supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills
in other areas.

Eisboch

Your conclusions are based upon?


The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public
and appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for
Obama's team to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process,
and Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well
underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers
are going to scream bloody murder. Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

Eisboch


This is really funny. When you are vetted by the FBI for a high level job,
all manner of people are contacted about you. There are dozens of people
who have been contacted about Hillary for this potential job. But Hillary
or Bill leaked it. Right.

Do you seriously believe the vetting process for Secretary of State is the
same as an FBI background check for a security clearance? Come on Harry,
you know better than that.

Obama's cabinet selections and considerations should be highly kept secrets
until ready to be announced, especially for jobs involving national
security. Obama should know that. The Clintons should know it even
better.

It's a power play, and what makes it sickening is that it puts individuals
(Hillary) before the best interests of the country.

Eisboch

Match made in heaven?
 

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:11:10 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to watch
unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills
in other areas.

Eisboch


Your conclusions are based upon?


The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public and
appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for Obama's team
to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process, and
Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers are
going to scream bloody murder. Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

That's not my take. Andrea Mitchell first broke the news - and she
said it came from Obama insiders.
Obama will do what he wants, and he wants her. Otherwise he would
have his "insiders" leak that it won't be her.
That wouldn't hurt him at all.
He will soon be "The President of the United States of America."
The "political" shows are getting a little tedious. They latch on to
something like this - especially if it involves the Clintons - and
just yak yak yak like gossips about it.
Only way to express their "power."
They're not news people, they're gossips.
Obama will pretty much do what he damn well pleases.
He's got the balls for it, and the mandate from the American people.
Elections matter.
Next chance to change that comes in 2 years.
If Hillary stays in the Senate, she could be a thorn in his paw.
He wants her in the cabinet. Working for him, at his command.
The Clintons are has-beens in the Presidential arena.
Unless Obama screws up.
Some of you guys are just as bad in judging Hillary Clinton as the
other side is about GWB. Everything is an effing Clinton conspiracy.
Hey, remember "48 Hours?"
There's a new sheriff in town.

--Vic

Match made in heaven?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and
supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills
in other areas.

Eisboch
Your conclusions are based upon?

The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public
and appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for
Obama's team to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process,
and Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well
underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers
are going to scream bloody murder. Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

Eisboch

This is really funny. When you are vetted by the FBI for a high level job,
all manner of people are contacted about you. There are dozens of people
who have been contacted about Hillary for this potential job. But Hillary
or Bill leaked it. Right.

Do you seriously believe the vetting process for Secretary of State is the
same as an FBI background check for a security clearance? Come on Harry,
you know better than that.

Obama's cabinet selections and considerations should be highly kept secrets
until ready to be announced, especially for jobs involving national
security. Obama should know that. The Clintons should know it even
better.

It's a power play, and what makes it sickening is that it puts individuals
(Hillary) before the best interests of the country.

Eisboch




The FBI vetting process for high level appointees involves interviews
with people who know the prospective appointee. There's no requirement
the interviewee keep his or her mouth shut in the FBI interview.

One of my old buddies was "vetted" by the FBI in the 1980s for the
number 2 job at the USPS. I was interviewed about him. I wasn't asked to
not mention the interviews. Perhaps the process is a bit different now,
but neither the government nor the FBI can compel secrecy on a vetting
matter.

Match made in heaven?
 

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:11:10 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to watch
unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills
in other areas.

Eisboch

Your conclusions are based upon?

The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public and
appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for Obama's team
to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process, and
Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers are
going to scream bloody murder. Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

That's not my take. Andrea Mitchell first broke the news - and she
said it came from Obama insiders.
Obama will do what he wants, and he wants her. Otherwise he would
have his "insiders" leak that it won't be her.
That wouldn't hurt him at all.
He will soon be "The President of the United States of America."
The "political" shows are getting a little tedious. They latch on to
something like this - especially if it involves the Clintons - and
just yak yak yak like gossips about it.
Only way to express their "power."
They're not news people, they're gossips.
Obama will pretty much do what he damn well pleases.
He's got the balls for it, and the mandate from the American people.
Elections matter.
Next chance to change that comes in 2 years.
If Hillary stays in the Senate, she could be a thorn in his paw.
He wants her in the cabinet. Working for him, at his command.
The Clintons are has-beens in the Presidential arena.
Unless Obama screws up.
Some of you guys are just as bad in judging Hillary Clinton as the
other side is about GWB. Everything is an effing Clinton conspiracy.
Hey, remember "48 Hours?"
There's a new sheriff in town.

--Vic


But Sarah Palin keeps on giving!

Match made in heaven?
 

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:34:23 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice
but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and
supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating
skills
in other areas.

Eisboch

Your conclusions are based upon?


The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public
and appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for
Obama's team to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process,
and Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well
underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers
are going to scream bloody murder. Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

Eisboch


This is really funny. When you are vetted by the FBI for a high level
job,
all manner of people are contacted about you. There are dozens of people
who have been contacted about Hillary for this potential job. But
Hillary
or Bill leaked it. Right.

Do you seriously believe the vetting process for Secretary of State is the
same as an FBI background check for a security clearance? Come on Harry,
you know better than that.

Obama's cabinet selections and considerations should be highly kept
secrets
until ready to be announced, especially for jobs involving national
security. Obama should know that. The Clintons should know it even
better.

It's a power play, and what makes it sickening is that it puts individuals
(Hillary) before the best interests of the country.

Well, I say kill 'em all.

Oh wait - that was the pirate thread.

Sorry. My bad. :)

Maybe they arrrrrrrrrrr pirates.

Match made in heaven?
 

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:51:58 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:34:23 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice
but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and
supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating
skills
in other areas.

Eisboch

Your conclusions are based upon?


The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public
and appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for
Obama's team to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process,
and Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well
underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers
are going to scream bloody murder. Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

Eisboch


This is really funny. When you are vetted by the FBI for a high level
job,
all manner of people are contacted about you. There are dozens of people
who have been contacted about Hillary for this potential job. But
Hillary
or Bill leaked it. Right.

Do you seriously believe the vetting process for Secretary of State is the
same as an FBI background check for a security clearance? Come on Harry,
you know better than that.

Obama's cabinet selections and considerations should be highly kept
secrets
until ready to be announced, especially for jobs involving national
security. Obama should know that. The Clintons should know it even
better.

It's a power play, and what makes it sickening is that it puts individuals
(Hillary) before the best interests of the country.

Well, I say kill 'em all.

Oh wait - that was the pirate thread.

Sorry. My bad. :)

Maybe they arrrrrrrrrrr pirates.

Um....

Ok, that took me a minute - I'm a little slow today.

Arrrrrr...

Match made in heaven?
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:03:51 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills
in other areas.

He's off to a great start.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...tory?track=rss

~~ snerk ~~


I doubt he'll have eight years of failure in about every area of
importance, ala Bush.

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is probably a
one term POTUS.

Match made in heaven?
 

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...


More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is probably
a one term POTUS.



He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously awaiting
all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

Match made in heaven?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is probably
a one term POTUS.



He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously awaiting
all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch




My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.

Match made in heaven?
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.



He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously awaiting
all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch


My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.

Meanwhile, for many, we inhaled another breath of Congressional disgust
today.

Last week, Pelosi and Reid were hitting all the airwaves, advocating and
pushing for a bailout of the automotive industry, particularly GM. Both
recommended using part of the 700B bailout package to make secure the jobs
of the employees and to protect the benefits of those retired.

Today, both have demanded that GM, Ford and Chrysler present by Dec 2nd, a
business plan that shows how any form of government assistance will make any
difference, before they will even consider a bailout package.

What changed their minds?

Eisboch

Match made in heaven?
 

On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:32:16 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.



He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously awaiting
all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch


My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.

Meanwhile, for many, we inhaled another breath of Congressional disgust
today.

Last week, Pelosi and Reid were hitting all the airwaves, advocating and
pushing for a bailout of the automotive industry, particularly GM. Both
recommended using part of the 700B bailout package to make secure the jobs
of the employees and to protect the benefits of those retired.

Today, both have demanded that GM, Ford and Chrysler present by Dec 2nd, a
business plan that shows how any form of government assistance will make any
difference, before they will even consider a bailout package.

What changed their minds?

The fact that 90% of the American public is ****ed off at being sold a
bill of goods about the true nature of the auto bailout.

I said it then when it was first proposed and I'll say it now - the
average taxpaying schmuck who pays $30/40 co-pay everytime they go to
the doc and carries 20% co-pay on major medical is not going to stand
for supporting zero co-pays for UAW retirees and the feather bedding
"job security" for unproductive workers.

You want to hear an ear full about GM and the UAW, stop by your local
post office and open a conversation about it with people. You'll be
lucky to get out with having hearing damage.

Pelosi and Reid saw the way the wind was blowing and, with the true
conviction of the weak willed, changed tack.

Notice that Barry O hasn't chimed in on this in any significant way?

Match made in heaven?
 

On Nov 20, 9:31*am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to watch
unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills
in other areas.

Eisboch

Your conclusions are based upon?

The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public and
appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for Obama's team
to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process, and
Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers are
going to scream bloody murder. *Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

Eisboch

This is really funny. When you are vetted by the FBI for a high level
job, all manner of people are contacted about you. There are dozens of
people who have been contacted about Hillary for this potential job. But
Hillary or Bill leaked it. Right.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They don't tell you what JOB the person is being vetted for. Only
that they are investigating.

Match made in heaven?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously awaiting
all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.

Meanwhile, for many, we inhaled another breath of Congressional disgust
today.

Last week, Pelosi and Reid were hitting all the airwaves, advocating and
pushing for a bailout of the automotive industry, particularly GM. Both
recommended using part of the 700B bailout package to make secure the jobs
of the employees and to protect the benefits of those retired.

Today, both have demanded that GM, Ford and Chrysler present by Dec 2nd, a
business plan that shows how any form of government assistance will make any
difference, before they will even consider a bailout package.

What changed their minds?

Eisboch




The arrogance of the Big Three CEO's.

Match made in heaven?
 

Match made in heaven?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously awaiting
all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.


That's right...there will be no White House support for efforts to
restrict abortion.

There will be no White House support for curtailing stem cell research.

There will be no White House support for efforts to deny science.

GITMO will be closed.

The NLRB will represent workers and management, not just management.

We will have an actual plan and actual schedule for getting out of Iraq.

Many of the most restrictive and onerous provisions of the unPatriot Act
will be flushed.

Et cetera.

Match made in heaven?
 

On Nov 20, 6:34*pm, wrote:
On Nov 20, 9:31*am, Boater wrote:





Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to watch
unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but
to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills
in other areas.

Eisboch

Your conclusions are based upon?

The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public and
appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for Obama's team
to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process, and
Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers are
going to scream bloody murder. *Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

Eisboch

This is really funny. When you are vetted by the FBI for a high level
job, all manner of people are contacted about you. There are dozens of
people who have been contacted about Hillary for this potential job. But
Hillary or Bill leaked it. Right.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

They don't tell you what JOB the person is being vetted for. *Only
that they are investigating.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

ooopsieee

Match made in heaven?
 

Match made in heaven?
 

You were supposed to wait till someone asked.
Boater wrote:

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.


That's right...there will be no White House support for efforts to
restrict abortion.

There will be no White House support for curtailing stem cell research.

There will be no White House support for efforts to deny science.

GITMO will be closed.

The NLRB will represent workers and management, not just management.

We will have an actual plan and actual schedule for getting out of Iraq.

Many of the most restrictive and onerous provisions of the unPatriot Act
will be flushed.

Et cetera.

Match made in heaven?
 

Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice
but to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and
supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating
skills in other areas.

Eisboch

Your conclusions are based upon?


The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment public
and appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting for
Obama's team to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting process,
and Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is well
underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary followers
are going to scream bloody murder. Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

Eisboch



This is really funny. When you are vetted by the FBI for a high level
job, all manner of people are contacted about you. There are dozens of
people who have been contacted about Hillary for this potential job. But
Hillary or Bill leaked it. Right.

The former POTUS and first lady and sitting Senator do not need to be
vetted by the FBI.

Match made in heaven?
 

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:03:51 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to watch
unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice but to
appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating skills in
other areas.

He's off to a great start.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...tory?track=rss

~~ snerk ~~

The Obama is out of his league. The White House staff is full of Clinton
Administration retreads. The cabinet will be filled with Clinton
supporters. The Obama is being manipulated and he doesn't even know it.

Match made in heaven?
 

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice
but to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and
supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating
skills in other areas.

Eisboch

Your conclusions are based upon?


The Clintons have gone out of their way to make the appointment
public and appear to be all but certain..... without actually waiting
for Obama's team to formally make a decision or announcment.
Big Bill has already agreed to cooperate fully in the vetting
process, and Hillary's staff has routinely leaked that the process is
well underway.

If he choses Richardson or someone else instead, the Hillary
followers are going to scream bloody murder. Dissed twice.

They have him boxed in pretty nicely.

Eisboch



This is really funny. When you are vetted by the FBI for a high level
job, all manner of people are contacted about you. There are dozens of
people who have been contacted about Hillary for this potential job.
But Hillary or Bill leaked it. Right.

The former POTUS and first lady and sitting Senator do not need to be
vetted by the FBI.


Uh-huh. That's why they were...

Match made in heaven?
 

Boater wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:03:51 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice
but to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and
supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating
skills in other areas.

He's off to a great start.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...tory?track=rss


~~ snerk ~~


I doubt he'll have eight years of failure in about every area of
importance, ala Bush.

You are correct, he will only have four years of failure.

Match made in heaven?
 

Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.



He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously
awaiting all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch



My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.


Pass the doobie!

Match made in heaven?
 

Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously
awaiting all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for
Obama's successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.


That's right...there will be no White House support for efforts to
restrict abortion.

There will be no White House support for curtailing stem cell research.

There will be no White House support for efforts to deny science.

GITMO will be closed.

The NLRB will represent workers and management, not just management.

We will have an actual plan and actual schedule for getting out of Iraq.

Many of the most restrictive and onerous provisions of the unPatriot Act
will be flushed.

Et cetera.

You call that a social agenda. Those issues are irrelevant to 90% of
Americans right now. They want to know whether they are going to have a
job next year. The could care less about stem cell research, abortions
and denying science, whatever that means.

Match made in heaven?
 

BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously
awaiting all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for
Obama's successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious
money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.


That's right...there will be no White House support for efforts to
restrict abortion.

There will be no White House support for curtailing stem cell research.

There will be no White House support for efforts to deny science.

GITMO will be closed.

The NLRB will represent workers and management, not just management.

We will have an actual plan and actual schedule for getting out of Iraq.

Many of the most restrictive and onerous provisions of the unPatriot
Act will be flushed.

Et cetera.

You call that a social agenda. Those issues are irrelevant to 90% of
Americans right now. They want to know whether they are going to have a
job next year. The could care less about stem cell research, abortions
and denying science, whatever that means.



The issue Eisboch raised was "social reform," crap-for-brains.

Match made in heaven?
 

BAR wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:03:51 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice
but to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and
supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating
skills in other areas.

He's off to a great start.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...tory?track=rss


~~ snerk ~~

The Obama is out of his league.

This from a barely educated numbskull like you?

Match made in heaven?
 

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously
awaiting all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for
Obama's successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious
money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.


That's right...there will be no White House support for efforts to
restrict abortion.

There will be no White House support for curtailing stem cell research.

There will be no White House support for efforts to deny science.

GITMO will be closed.

The NLRB will represent workers and management, not just management.

We will have an actual plan and actual schedule for getting out of Iraq.

Many of the most restrictive and onerous provisions of the unPatriot
Act will be flushed.

Et cetera.

You call that a social agenda. Those issues are irrelevant to 90% of
Americans right now. They want to know whether they are going to have
a job next year. The could care less about stem cell research,
abortions and denying science, whatever that means.



The issue Eisboch raised was "social reform," crap-for-brains.


Oh, ok. Do you pay rent, or does she expect you to cut the grass and
rake the leaves?

Match made in heaven?
 

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:03:51 -0500, "Eisboch"
wrote:

The Hillary Secretary of State issue is sure getting interesting to
watch unfold.

Looks like the Clintons outwitted Obama, and now he has *no* choice
but to appoint her or risk a major backlash in his own party and
supporters.

Hope this isn't an indication of a President Obama's negotiating
skills in other areas.

He's off to a great start.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...tory?track=rss


~~ snerk ~~

The Obama is out of his league.

This from a barely educated numbskull like you?

But, I own my own house.

Match made in heaven?
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously
awaiting all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.



There will be no White House support for curtailing stem cell research.

Why should the government pay for stem cell reseach? Most of the what the
government pays for goes 90% of the way and then private money take it the
next 10% and to the patent stage and big payoffs. They can use stem cells
now, just not Federal Money.

Match made in heaven?
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously
awaiting all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.




They just won't be high on the priority list.



That's right...there will be no White House support for efforts to
restrict abortion.

There will be no White House support for curtailing stem cell research.

There will be no White House support for efforts to deny science.

GITMO will be closed.

The NLRB will represent workers and management, not just management.

We will have an actual plan and actual schedule for getting out of Iraq.

Many of the most restrictive and onerous provisions of the unPatriot Act
will be flushed.

Et cetera.



And life for the bulk of the US population won't change a bit.
As for a time table for exiting Iraq .... it's being established now.
Unless events change, the schedule won't change either.

Eisboch

Match made in heaven?
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...

BAR wrote:

The former POTUS and first lady and sitting Senator do not need to be
vetted by the FBI.



Uh-huh. That's why they were...

They were? By the FBI? Are you sure?

I am very familiar with FBI background checks. Virtually anybody, civilian
or military who's job requires a security clearance has one performed on
them. They are very routine in nature for basic (confidential and secret)
clearances. In the old days the FBI or an authorized representative
visited your neighborhood, interviewing friends, neighbors, work associates,
etc. I don't think that happens so much anymore. I know from personal
experience that now-a-days the check is more reliant on data bases of
information, credit checks, passport information for foreign travel etc, and
personal interviews are not routinely conducted unless something pops up in
the data base. Background checks for high level clearances (top secret,
etc.) are done quietly and without notice to the public because the fact
that the person being "checked" may end up with that level of a clearance or
above can be a breach of security in of itself, if made public.

I don't believe the "vetting" process for Presidential appointees to high
level cabinet positions is exactly the same that your buddy, the postmaster
assistant, experienced. The vetting going on here is more associated with
assuring the Obama staff that appointees will not cause a embarrassing
situation or be controversial due to past associations or practices.

Eisboch

Match made in heaven?
 

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
m...

More likely 4 years. With the economic meltdown going on, he is
probably a one term POTUS.


He's either going to be a hero or get the bum's rush.

Unfortunately for all the idealists like Harry who are anxiously
awaiting all kinds of social reforms, it just ain't gonna happen.

The state of the economy will be the only measuring stick for Obama's
successes or failures.
Everything else has become secondary.

I wish him luck. I sure wouldn't want the job.

Eisboch

My "reform" agenda includes very few items that will cost serious money.

Has anyone in the Democratic Party asked you about your "reform agenda"?

Match made in heaven?
 

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

BAR wrote:
The former POTUS and first lady and sitting Senator do not need to be
vetted by the FBI.


Uh-huh. That's why they were...

They were? By the FBI? Are you sure?

I am very familiar with FBI background checks. Virtually anybody, civilian
or military who's job requires a security clearance has one performed on
them. They are very routine in nature for basic (confidential and secret)
clearances. In the old days the FBI or an authorized representative
visited your neighborhood, interviewing friends, neighbors, work associates,
etc. I don't think that happens so much anymore. I know from personal
experience that now-a-days the check is more reliant on data bases of
information, credit checks, passport information for foreign travel etc, and
personal interviews are not routinely conducted unless something pops up in
the data base. Background checks for high level clearances (top secret,
etc.) are done quietly and without notice to the public because the fact
that the person being "checked" may end up with that level of a clearance or
above can be a breach of security in of itself, if made public.

I don't believe the "vetting" process for Presidential appointees to high
level cabinet positions is exactly the same that your buddy, the postmaster
assistant, experienced. The vetting going on here is more associated with
assuring the Obama staff that appointees will not cause a embarrassing
situation or be controversial due to past associations or practices.

We still get badged federal investigators, carrying side-arms, visiting
us in our homes interviewing us about our neighbors and friends for
security clearences. There is quite a bit of government work in my
geographic area and in my general field. Anyone holding a CS degree and
a TS with a full scope poly can get if they are still breathing with
minutes.