JohnH wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:38:20 -0500, Boater wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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I'm supposed to be impressed by our massive array of ships? What,
precisely, are they doing at the moment? Not much.

Most importantly, maintaining a balance of power, deterrence and top stop
training to be prepared at any moment for any global situation. Other than
that, nothing important.

Please don't argue that we don't have a balance of power obligation. Our
security, indeed much of the world's depends on it. If the day ever comes
when another nation ever thinks it can militarily defeat us, the first part
of the battle will have been lost and we'll be obligated to prove to them
how wrong they were. It's better to never have them develop the confidence
to try.

The blue water Navy is tested virtually everyday when at sea. The testing is
not always being done by us.

I, nor many others, I suspect, could care less if you are impressed or not.
It doesn't matter. I understand the mission and the purpose, I believe in
it and I thank God we have it, even if it helps provide security to armchair
whiners like you.

Eisboch



Sorry...I don't buy into the 8' asparagus of the military. I'm not
suggesting we do away with it. I just believe that the nature of today's
threats have made our military...less relevant.

Harry, you probably don't realize this, but the last few responses to you
by Eisboch were *not* compliments.

You need to get your head out of wherever it is.

We've been taking up all of Harry's time this morning. How do you expect
the man to make a living writing jingles when we keep distracting him.

"Boater" wrote in message
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Gee, I was wondering why we are still in Iraq with what, 150,000 troops.
We're training. Right.



Consider this:

New York City is composed of approx. 469 square miles.
The New York City police force consists of 37,838 officers.

That's about 80 officers per square mile.

Iraq is composed of approx. 167,400 square miles.
At a troop level of 150,000 personel, that's less than one person per mile
(not counting Iraq forces).

Eisboch

"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Gee, I was wondering why we are still in Iraq with what, 150,000 troops.
We're training. Right.



Consider this:

New York City is composed of approx. 469 square miles.
The New York City police force consists of 37,838 officers.

That's about 80 officers per square mile.

Iraq is composed of approx. 167,400 square miles.
At a troop level of 150,000 personel, that's less than one person per
mile (not counting Iraq forces).

Eisboch


We don't have much "presence" in most of Iraq, and...are you saying our
troops are now the Iraqi police force? If so, why can't the Iraqis be
their own police force?


You *do* watch the news or read newspapers, don't you?

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Gee, I was wondering why we are still in Iraq with what, 150,000 troops.
We're training. Right.



Consider this:

New York City is composed of approx. 469 square miles.
The New York City police force consists of 37,838 officers.

That's about 80 officers per square mile.

Iraq is composed of approx. 167,400 square miles.
At a troop level of 150,000 personel, that's less than one person per mile
(not counting Iraq forces).

Eisboch




We don't have much "presence" in most of Iraq, and...are you saying our
troops are now the Iraqi police force? If so, why can't the Iraqis be
their own police force?

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Gee, I was wondering why we are still in Iraq with what, 150,000 troops.
We're training. Right.


Consider this:

New York City is composed of approx. 469 square miles.
The New York City police force consists of 37,838 officers.

That's about 80 officers per square mile.

Iraq is composed of approx. 167,400 square miles.
At a troop level of 150,000 personel, that's less than one person per
mile (not counting Iraq forces).

Eisboch

We don't have much "presence" in most of Iraq, and...are you saying our
troops are now the Iraqi police force? If so, why can't the Iraqis be
their own police force?


You *do* watch the news or read newspapers, don't you?

Eisboch




You mean, there still are problems with Iraqi civilian agencies, after
all the time and money we've wasted there? How can that be?

Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Gee, I was wondering why we are still in Iraq with what, 150,000 troops.
We're training. Right.



Consider this:

New York City is composed of approx. 469 square miles.
The New York City police force consists of 37,838 officers.

That's about 80 officers per square mile.

Iraq is composed of approx. 167,400 square miles.
At a troop level of 150,000 personel, that's less than one person per
mile (not counting Iraq forces).

Eisboch



We don't have much "presence" in most of Iraq, and...are you saying our
troops are now the Iraqi police force? If so, why can't the Iraqis be
their own police force?

Why don't you go over there and find out for yourself?

wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here

I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker. Don't
they have RADAR?


The Israelis have some 50 knot patrol boats, deep vees, that are
suitably armed, and armed forces who know how to fight. Perhaps a
contract could be let...


http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapo.../Shaldag2.html

On Nov 19, 9:35*am, Boater wrote:
What? Our military (and I presume everyone else's) is famous for crying
it never has enough, and for wasting taxpayer dollars.

Tell me, Tim, after blowing a trillion and a half dollars, what will we
have gained in Iraq? What did we gain in Vietnam because of our
protracted militarism there?


harry, there's really no needc to turn this thread into a political
deal, but your stat3ement about blowing mega bucks in Iraq..., is that
really the military's fault?

No.

wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here

I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker. Don't
they have RADAR?

They do understand extreme violence. Air power is the answer. Find out
what village or town the pirates are from. Then just tell the pirates that
the village / town is going to be removed from the desert sands via big bomb
method. Then do it.

Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:49:33 -0500, JohnH wrote:

Harry, we're talking about ways to do in the pirates here
I think the answer as air power. Don't the Saudis have a few AWACs
planes. Loiter over the water off Somalia and profile any small boats
shadowing their ships. Call in some "air" with 500 lb IR guided bombs
to blow them out of the water from altitude. If these pirates discover
their boats are simply disappearing without a trace they might stop
going out.
For that matter the US could do that but we should do it covertly.
Officially we don't know why pirate boats are suddenly blowing up at
sea. Must be some kind of accident handling munitions or something.
Maybe they just have a batch of defective bilge blowers.

I am still not sure how these guys are sneaking up on a tanker. Don't
they have RADAR?

They do understand extreme violence. Air power is the answer. Find out
what village or town the pirates are from. Then just tell the pirates that
the village / town is going to be removed from the desert sands via big bomb
method. Then do it.




Ahh, kill more uninvolved civilians...the American way.