On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:25:39 GMT, "RG" wrote:


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On Nov 17, 9:28 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
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Ok, I'll admit it - this is WAY cool...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWbj7FYEi3M

I have an inclination to call bull**** on this one. I played woodwind
instruments and the length of this instrument vs the pitch don't add
up. It's been a while but I think the pitch would be higher. Of
course, in theory I can't see why it wouldn't work, just not sure
about this one...
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I also find it hard to believe that the holes he arbitrarily drilled in
the sides resulted in it being
in perfect pitch with the synth.

Nope. I also call BS.

Oh, and there was no synthesizer. It was a sequencer. All the sequencer
does is record and playback a loop of what is fed into it. The only thing
the carrot was in tune with was itself.

Question answered - it would be.

I need to read up more on sequencers.

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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:25:39 GMT, "RG" wrote:


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On Nov 17, 9:28 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
Ok, I'll admit it - this is WAY cool...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWbj7FYEi3M

I have an inclination to call bull**** on this one. I played woodwind
instruments and the length of this instrument vs the pitch don't add
up. It's been a while but I think the pitch would be higher. Of
course, in theory I can't see why it wouldn't work, just not sure
about this one...
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I also find it hard to believe that the holes he arbitrarily drilled in
the sides resulted in it being
in perfect pitch with the synth.

Nope. I also call BS.

Oh, and there was no synthesizer. It was a sequencer. All the sequencer
does is record and playback a loop of what is fed into it. The only thing
the carrot was in tune with was itself.

Question answered - it would be.

I need to read up more on sequencers.

Re-watch the video. At 1:31, the sequencer is turned on. At 2:58 it is
turned off. Listen close and you can actually hear him step on the foot
switch at 2:58. It's a sophisticated echo chamber. Do you remember as kids
we used to sing rounds in music class (Row, Row, Row Your Boat)? It's
exactly the same concept, except it is done solo. You lay down a basic
foundation, recording and playing it back in real time. Then you build on
the theme. Jean-Luc Ponty was a master at it. I'll see if I can round up
(round, get it?) an example of an early Ponty recording from my collection
and send you an mp3.

RG

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On Nov 17, 9:28 pm, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
Ok, I'll admit it - this is WAY cool...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWbj7FYEi3M

I have an inclination to call bull**** on this one. I played woodwind
instruments and the length of this instrument vs the pitch don't add
up. It's been a while but I think the pitch would be higher. Of
course, in theory I can't see why it wouldn't work, just not sure
about this one...
-------------------------------------------


I also find it hard to believe that the holes he arbitrarily drilled in
the sides resulted in it being
in perfect pitch with the synth.

Nope. I also call BS.

Oh, and there was no synthesizer. It was a sequencer. All the sequencer
does is record and playback a loop of what is fed into it. The only
thing
the carrot was in tune with was itself.

Question answered - it would be.

I need to read up more on sequencers.

Re-watch the video. At 1:31, the sequencer is turned on. At 2:58 it is
turned off. Listen close and you can actually hear him step on the foot
switch at 2:58. It's a sophisticated echo chamber. Do you remember as
kids we used to sing rounds in music class (Row, Row, Row Your Boat)?
It's exactly the same concept, except it is done solo. You lay down a
basic foundation, recording and playing it back in real time. Then you
build on the theme. Jean-Luc Ponty was a master at it. I'll see if I can
round up (round, get it?) an example of an early Ponty recording from my
collection and send you an mp3.

RG


Not exactly the same thing, but Les Paul (of guitar fame) invented the
concept of "sound on sound" and "sound with sound" recording. He added
heads to reel to reel tape decks and perfected the technique.
The old recordings of him and Mary Ford used the technique and were super
"high tech" for their day.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan0...racks_0107.htm

Eisboch

Not exactly the same thing, but Les Paul (of guitar fame) invented the
concept of "sound on sound" and "sound with sound" recording. He added
heads to reel to reel tape decks and perfected the technique.
The old recordings of him and Mary Ford used the technique and were super
"high tech" for their day.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan0...racks_0107.htm

Eisboch

Yep, the father of multitrack recording. He really started it all. Most
people only think of Les as a guitar player, of which he was a giant, of
course. But few know of his profound love of and his innovations in
recording technology. Quite a guy.

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Not exactly the same thing, but Les Paul (of guitar fame) invented the
concept of "sound on sound" and "sound with sound" recording. He added
heads to reel to reel tape decks and perfected the technique.
The old recordings of him and Mary Ford used the technique and were super
"high tech" for their day.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan0...racks_0107.htm

Eisboch

Yep, the father of multitrack recording. He really started it all. Most
people only think of Les as a guitar player, of which he was a giant, of
course. But few know of his profound love of and his innovations in
recording technology. Quite a guy.

He acknowledges that he is more of an inventor than a musician. Still
around, too and occasionally plays gigs with local bands. 93 years old.
He's also the reason a Gibson Les Paul Standard is so damn heavy. He
insisted on it for acoustical purposes, because the first solid body guitar
he built was from a used railroad tie or something.

When the first recordings were released using sound on sound, it took the
industry by storm. It sounded like there were three Mary Fords singing
together and nobody could figure out how it was done.

Eisboch

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:10:13 -0500, "Eisboch"
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Not exactly the same thing, but Les Paul (of guitar fame) invented the
concept of "sound on sound" and "sound with sound" recording. He added
heads to reel to reel tape decks and perfected the technique.
The old recordings of him and Mary Ford used the technique and were super
"high tech" for their day.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan0...racks_0107.htm

Eisboch

Yep, the father of multitrack recording. He really started it all. Most
people only think of Les as a guitar player, of which he was a giant, of
course. But few know of his profound love of and his innovations in
recording technology. Quite a guy.

He acknowledges that he is more of an inventor than a musician. Still
around, too and occasionally plays gigs with local bands. 93 years old.
He's also the reason a Gibson Les Paul Standard is so damn heavy. He
insisted on it for acoustical purposes, because the first solid body guitar
he built was from a used railroad tie or something.

When the first recordings were released using sound on sound, it took the
industry by storm. It sounded like there were three Mary Fords singing
together and nobody could figure out how it was done.

A couple of months ago, I saw a documentary on Les Paul and Ampeg,
which eventually came around to his way of looking at recording
technically, didn't believe it would be possible to do over dubbing
and multiple tracks on reel-to-reel equipment.

Not that it means anything - just thought that was interesting side
bar to the whole story.

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:03:01 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:55:25 GMT, "RG" wrote:



Not exactly the same thing, but Les Paul (of guitar fame) invented the
concept of "sound on sound" and "sound with sound" recording. He added
heads to reel to reel tape decks and perfected the technique.
The old recordings of him and Mary Ford used the technique and were super
"high tech" for their day.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan0...racks_0107.htm

Eisboch

Yep, the father of multitrack recording. He really started it all. Most
people only think of Les as a guitar player, of which he was a giant, of
course. But few know of his profound love of and his innovations in
recording technology. Quite a guy.


If you ever have the opportunity, there is a pretty good movie about
Les Paul called "Chasing Sound". Netflix has it.

My favorite moment in the whole movie is when he opens an old guitar
case on his bed, and there is... Django Reinhardts guitar! WOW!

You know - Django Reinhardt is a name most people don't recognise.

Same with Stephen Grappelli (sp?)... :)

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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 17:11:39 GMT, Tom Francis - SWSports
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On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:03:01 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 12:55:25 GMT, "RG" wrote:



Not exactly the same thing, but Les Paul (of guitar fame) invented the
concept of "sound on sound" and "sound with sound" recording. He
added
heads to reel to reel tape decks and perfected the technique.
The old recordings of him and Mary Ford used the technique and were
super
"high tech" for their day.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jan0...racks_0107.htm

Eisboch

Yep, the father of multitrack recording. He really started it all.
Most
people only think of Les as a guitar player, of which he was a giant, of
course. But few know of his profound love of and his innovations in
recording technology. Quite a guy.


If you ever have the opportunity, there is a pretty good movie about
Les Paul called "Chasing Sound". Netflix has it.

My favorite moment in the whole movie is when he opens an old guitar
case on his bed, and there is... Django Reinhardts guitar! WOW!

You know - Django Reinhardt is a name most people don't recognise.

Same with Stephen Grappelli (sp?)... :)

Yeah, most people.

For those who don't know, Django Reinhardt was a young French gypsy
guitarist who was starting to make a name for himself when he was
badly burned in a fire in his gypsy trailer that was filled with paper
flowers. Gypsy's don't have access to doctors. His left hand was
reduced to a lobster like claw, with fingers fused together. He had
essentially two clumsy "fingers"when it was all over. He could no
longer play chords, which was all guitars were used for (rhythm
accompaniment) back then.

Rather than give up, Django came up with a whole new style of playing,
which is mostly arpeggios, or playing the notes of chords individually
rather than all at once. His style was so distinct that they started
letting him do guitar solos in the middle of Jazz numbers. He INVENTED
lead guitar, and changed the background instrument's role forever.

It's hard to find a serious guitarist who doesn't think of Django
Reinhardt as the father of modern guitar as we know it.


Never knew that. Thanks, it was interesting.

Eisboch

Hey, did you ever get your hands on that Steve Winwood CD I recommended a
while back?

"RG" wrote in message
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Hey, did you ever get your hands on that Steve Winwood CD I recommended a
while back?


Not yet. I tried.

I sorta "hinted" that it would make an excellent father's day or birthday
present to my wife.

It worked, except she got "Steve Winwood's Greatest Hits". I think you
recommended "Nine Lives".

I'll check Amazon.com and order it right now, if available.

Eisboch