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Boats as art
I agree with HK that strip canoes are very pretty. I disagree over
practicality. OTOH, I have seen several boats that in the end were not really meant to ever be used, One was a variation on the Stevenson projects "Weekender" that was astonishing to look at with varnish so clear and deep it looked like a hologram. Every detail was done right with cabinetry of such high quality that it was exquisite. She was on display as an example of the boatmakers art and had never seen water and probably wouldn'. Many strip canoes are like that, once built, they are too perfect to be used. Would you really want to be on a canoe trip with one, the obsession over not scratching it would make you nutso. Around here, in summer, the river banks are lined with hornet nests every 3' and you get into one you have a choice of paddling like hell and running yer boat over logs or jumping out into the gator infested water or running into the weeds where the snakes drop into the boat. A strip canoe will not stay pristine for more than an hour. I believe a well used boat is a happy boat that inspires memories. |
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Frogwatch wrote:
I agree with HK that strip canoes are very pretty. I disagree over practicality. OTOH, I have seen several boats that in the end were not really meant to ever be used, One was a variation on the Stevenson projects "Weekender" that was astonishing to look at with varnish so clear and deep it looked like a hologram. Every detail was done right with cabinetry of such high quality that it was exquisite. She was on display as an example of the boatmakers art and had never seen water and probably wouldn'. Many strip canoes are like that, once built, they are too perfect to be used. Would you really want to be on a canoe trip with one, the obsession over not scratching it would make you nutso. Around here, in summer, the river banks are lined with hornet nests every 3' and you get into one you have a choice of paddling like hell and running yer boat over logs or jumping out into the gator infested water or running into the weeds where the snakes drop into the boat. A strip canoe will not stay pristine for more than an hour. I believe a well used boat is a happy boat that inspires memories. Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. I don't mean you, not in this instance. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy. |
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Boater wrote:
Frogwatch wrote: I agree with HK that strip canoes are very pretty. I disagree over practicality. OTOH, I have seen several boats that in the end were not really meant to ever be used, One was a variation on the Stevenson projects "Weekender" that was astonishing to look at with varnish so clear and deep it looked like a hologram. Every detail was done right with cabinetry of such high quality that it was exquisite. She was on display as an example of the boatmakers art and had never seen water and probably wouldn'. Many strip canoes are like that, once built, they are too perfect to be used. Would you really want to be on a canoe trip with one, the obsession over not scratching it would make you nutso. Around here, in summer, the river banks are lined with hornet nests every 3' and you get into one you have a choice of paddling like hell and running yer boat over logs or jumping out into the gator infested water or running into the weeds where the snakes drop into the boat. A strip canoe will not stay pristine for more than an hour. I believe a well used boat is a happy boat that inspires memories. Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. I don't mean you, not in this instance. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy. Those stripper canoes are more of a furniture item than a practical boat. One would look nice on Wayne's lawn but still would need maintenance to keep it looking good. |
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On Nov 17, 7:28 pm, Jim wrote:
Boater wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I agree with HK that strip canoes are very pretty. I disagree over practicality. OTOH, I have seen several boats that in the end were not really meant to ever be used, One was a variation on the Stevenson projects "Weekender" that was astonishing to look at with varnish so clear and deep it looked like a hologram. Every detail was done right with cabinetry of such high quality that it was exquisite. She was on display as an example of the boatmakers art and had never seen water and probably wouldn'. Many strip canoes are like that, once built, they are too perfect to be used. Would you really want to be on a canoe trip with one, the obsession over not scratching it would make you nutso. Around here, in summer, the river banks are lined with hornet nests every 3' and you get into one you have a choice of paddling like hell and running yer boat over logs or jumping out into the gator infested water or running into the weeds where the snakes drop into the boat. A strip canoe will not stay pristine for more than an hour. I believe a well used boat is a happy boat that inspires memories. Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. I don't mean you, not in this instance. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy. Those stripper canoes are more of a furniture item than a practical boat. One would look nice on Wayne's lawn but still would need maintenance to keep it looking good. Aluminum canoes are only noisy when newbies paddle em. When I was 18, I took a canoe trip down the Ocklocknee River, 60 miles thru wilderness with the Grumman canoe and a canvas canoe. We'd only gone 10 miles when the canvas canoe hit a snag and Rrrrriiiippppppp, a tear 3' long. Pulled her out on a sandbar and thought. Turns out we had a whole bag of bubble gum so we all chewed enough the seal her, worked great but canvas boats dont belong on FL rivers. Harry, you know i'm gonna have to insult you to keep any credibility here dontcha? |
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On Nov 17, 8:02 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Nov 17, 7:28 pm, Jim wrote: Boater wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I agree with HK that strip canoes are very pretty. I disagree over practicality. OTOH, I have seen several boats that in the end were not really meant to ever be used, One was a variation on the Stevenson projects "Weekender" that was astonishing to look at with varnish so clear and deep it looked like a hologram. Every detail was done right with cabinetry of such high quality that it was exquisite. She was on display as an example of the boatmakers art and had never seen water and probably wouldn'. Many strip canoes are like that, once built, they are too perfect to be used. Would you really want to be on a canoe trip with one, the obsession over not scratching it would make you nutso. Around here, in summer, the river banks are lined with hornet nests every 3' and you get into one you have a choice of paddling like hell and running yer boat over logs or jumping out into the gator infested water or running into the weeds where the snakes drop into the boat. A strip canoe will not stay pristine for more than an hour. I believe a well used boat is a happy boat that inspires memories. Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. I don't mean you, not in this instance. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy. Those stripper canoes are more of a furniture item than a practical boat. One would look nice on Wayne's lawn but still would need maintenance to keep it looking good. Aluminum canoes are only noisy when newbies paddle em. When I was 18, I took a canoe trip down the Ocklocknee River, 60 miles thru wilderness with the Grumman canoe and a canvas canoe. We'd only gone 10 miles when the canvas canoe hit a snag and Rrrrriiiippppppp, a tear 3' long. Pulled her out on a sandbar and thought. Turns out we had a whole bag of bubble gum so we all chewed enough the seal her, worked great but canvas boats dont belong on FL rivers. Harry, you know i'm gonna have to insult you to keep any credibility here dontcha? Somewhere on the web, I once saw pics of some boats made by a Japanese artist and they were serious works of art not meant to be used. Anybody know a link to the pics? Well worth a look if I could remember where. |
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On Nov 17, 8:05 pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Nov 17, 8:02 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Nov 17, 7:28 pm, Jim wrote: Boater wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I agree with HK that strip canoes are very pretty. I disagree over practicality. OTOH, I have seen several boats that in the end were not really meant to ever be used, One was a variation on the Stevenson projects "Weekender" that was astonishing to look at with varnish so clear and deep it looked like a hologram. Every detail was done right with cabinetry of such high quality that it was exquisite. She was on display as an example of the boatmakers art and had never seen water and probably wouldn'. Many strip canoes are like that, once built, they are too perfect to be used. Would you really want to be on a canoe trip with one, the obsession over not scratching it would make you nutso. Around here, in summer, the river banks are lined with hornet nests every 3' and you get into one you have a choice of paddling like hell and running yer boat over logs or jumping out into the gator infested water or running into the weeds where the snakes drop into the boat. A strip canoe will not stay pristine for more than an hour. I believe a well used boat is a happy boat that inspires memories. Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. I don't mean you, not in this instance. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy. Those stripper canoes are more of a furniture item than a practical boat. One would look nice on Wayne's lawn but still would need maintenance to keep it looking good. Aluminum canoes are only noisy when newbies paddle em. When I was 18, I took a canoe trip down the Ocklocknee River, 60 miles thru wilderness with the Grumman canoe and a canvas canoe. We'd only gone 10 miles when the canvas canoe hit a snag and Rrrrriiiippppppp, a tear 3' long. Pulled her out on a sandbar and thought. Turns out we had a whole bag of bubble gum so we all chewed enough the seal her, worked great but canvas boats dont belong on FL rivers. Harry, you know i'm gonna have to insult you to keep any credibility here dontcha? Somewhere on the web, I once saw pics of some boats made by a Japanese artist and they were serious works of art not meant to be used. Anybody know a link to the pics? Well worth a look if I could remember where. Another great canoe trip with the old grumman and a rented aluminum canoe. I paddled the rental boat and the fore and aft supports along the bottom were broken so the boat squirmed down the river. It had no structural integrity. We came to one of only 4 rapids in all of FL and the canoe promptly wrapped round a rock like a piece of foil. We walked about a half mile till we found a post about 3" diameter we used to pry her out. Lashed poles fore and aft across the thwarts and used pine resin melted over the cracks and tape to repair her. Made it to the next bridge but that canoe was fit only for recycling. Lost track of the other people on th trip except the woman I later married. A year ago, we met a woman in a dog obedience class who looked familiar and we began comparing notes, she had been on that trip 28 yrs ago. |
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:28:41 -0500, Jim wrote:
Those stripper canoes are more of a furniture item than a practical boat. One would look nice on Wayne's lawn but still would need maintenance to keep it looking good. I've often thought the same thing but I've already got one floating piece of furniture to keep up and it's darn near a full time job. :-) |
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:11:41 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote: A year ago, we met a woman in a dog obedience class who looked familiar and we began comparing notes, she had been on that trip 28 yrs ago. Cool. How was she doing with the class ? |
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On Nov 17, 7:28*pm, Jim wrote:
Boater wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I agree with HK that strip canoes are very pretty. *I disagree over practicality. *OTOH, I have seen several boats that in the end were not really meant to ever be used, *One was a variation on the Stevenson projects "Weekender" that was astonishing to look at with varnish so clear and deep it looked like a hologram. *Every detail was done right with cabinetry of such high quality that it was exquisite. She was on display as an example of the boatmakers art and had never seen water and probably wouldn'. *Many strip canoes are like that, once built, they are too perfect to be used. *Would you really want to be on a canoe trip with one, the obsession over not scratching it would make you nutso. Around here, in summer, the river banks are lined with hornet nests every 3' and you get into one you have a choice of paddling like hell and running yer boat over logs or jumping out into the gator infested water or running into the weeds where the snakes drop into the boat. A strip canoe will not stay pristine for more than an hour. I believe a well used boat is a happy boat that inspires memories. Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. I don't mean you, not in this instance. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy. Those stripper canoes are more of a furniture item than a practical boat. One would look nice on Wayne's lawn but still would need maintenance to keep it looking good.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A decent strip canoe can take a beating and can be used in pretty wild conditions.. Just cause it's pretty doesn't mean it's wimpy... |
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On Nov 17, 10:53 pm, wrote:
On Nov 17, 7:28 pm, Jim wrote: Boater wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I agree with HK that strip canoes are very pretty. I disagree over practicality. OTOH, I have seen several boats that in the end were not really meant to ever be used, One was a variation on the Stevenson projects "Weekender" that was astonishing to look at with varnish so clear and deep it looked like a hologram. Every detail was done right with cabinetry of such high quality that it was exquisite. She was on display as an example of the boatmakers art and had never seen water and probably wouldn'. Many strip canoes are like that, once built, they are too perfect to be used. Would you really want to be on a canoe trip with one, the obsession over not scratching it would make you nutso. Around here, in summer, the river banks are lined with hornet nests every 3' and you get into one you have a choice of paddling like hell and running yer boat over logs or jumping out into the gator infested water or running into the weeds where the snakes drop into the boat. A strip canoe will not stay pristine for more than an hour. I believe a well used boat is a happy boat that inspires memories. Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. I don't mean you, not in this instance. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy. Those stripper canoes are more of a furniture item than a practical boat. One would look nice on Wayne's lawn but still would need maintenance to keep it looking good.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A decent strip canoe can take a beating and can be used in pretty wild conditions.. Just cause it's pretty doesn't mean it's wimpy... My 12 yr old daughter has decided she wants a "sit on" type kayak instead of a "sit in" one so I will prob buy her a plastic one instead of building one. Like I need more boats. |
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On Nov 17, 11:14*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Nov 17, 10:53 pm, wrote: On Nov 17, 7:28 pm, Jim wrote: Boater wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I agree with HK that strip canoes are very pretty. *I disagree over practicality. *OTOH, I have seen several boats that in the end were not really meant to ever be used, *One was a variation on the Stevenson projects "Weekender" that was astonishing to look at with varnish so clear and deep it looked like a hologram. *Every detail was done right with cabinetry of such high quality that it was exquisite. She was on display as an example of the boatmakers art and had never seen water and probably wouldn'. *Many strip canoes are like that, once built, they are too perfect to be used. *Would you really want to be on a canoe trip with one, the obsession over not scratching it would make you nutso. Around here, in summer, the river banks are lined with hornet nests every 3' and you get into one you have a choice of paddling like hell and running yer boat over logs or jumping out into the gator infested water or running into the weeds where the snakes drop into the boat. |
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On Nov 17, 11:19 pm, wrote:
On Nov 17, 11:14 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Nov 17, 10:53 pm, wrote: On Nov 17, 7:28 pm, Jim wrote: Boater wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I agree with HK that strip canoes are very pretty. I disagree over practicality. OTOH, I have seen several boats that in the end were not really meant to ever be used, One was a variation on the Stevenson projects "Weekender" that was astonishing to look at with varnish so clear and deep it looked like a hologram. Every detail was done right with cabinetry of such high quality that it was exquisite. She was on display as an example of the boatmakers art and had never seen water and probably wouldn'. Many strip canoes are like that, once built, they are too perfect to be used. Would you really want to be on a canoe trip with one, the obsession over not scratching it would make you nutso. Around here, in summer, the river banks are lined with hornet nests every 3' and you get into one you have a choice of paddling like hell and running yer boat over logs or jumping out into the gator infested water or running into the weeds where the snakes drop into the boat. A strip canoe will not stay pristine for more than an hour. I believe a well used boat is a happy boat that inspires memories. Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. I don't mean you, not in this instance. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy. Those stripper canoes are more of a furniture item than a practical boat. One would look nice on Wayne's lawn but still would need maintenance to keep it looking good.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A decent strip canoe can take a beating and can be used in pretty wild conditions.. Just cause it's pretty doesn't mean it's wimpy... My 12 yr old daughter has decided she wants a "sit on" type kayak instead of a "sit in" one so I will prob buy her a plastic one instead of building one. Like I need more boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Be sure not to get sucked into the trap of a 10-12 footer. They just won't perform and she will get bored and tired fast. Look for something 14 feet or longer. The longer the better, but I suspect you already know that.. Just makin' sure.. I really DONT know about kayak length because I cannot sit in a kayak too easily (legs too long) so have not paid any attention to them. Tell me about kayak length. Why do they sell those really tiny 6' ones? Around here turning is critical in swampy areas with lots of branches so too much length is bad I think (although it has never been an issue for the 18' Grumman canoe). I also worry about her being so exposed to gators but I s'pose that is just me being an over protective dad. |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... On Nov 17, 11:19 pm, wrote: On Nov 17, 11:14 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Nov 17, 10:53 pm, wrote: On Nov 17, 7:28 pm, Jim wrote: Boater wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I agree with HK that strip canoes are very pretty. I disagree over practicality. OTOH, I have seen several boats that in the end were not really meant to ever be used, One was a variation on the Stevenson projects "Weekender" that was astonishing to look at with varnish so clear and deep it looked like a hologram. Every detail was done right with cabinetry of such high quality that it was exquisite. She was on display as an example of the boatmakers art and had never seen water and probably wouldn'. Many strip canoes are like that, once built, they are too perfect to be used. Would you really want to be on a canoe trip with one, the obsession over not scratching it would make you nutso. Around here, in summer, the river banks are lined with hornet nests every 3' and you get into one you have a choice of paddling like hell and running yer boat over logs or jumping out into the gator infested water or running into the weeds where the snakes drop into the boat. A strip canoe will not stay pristine for more than an hour. I believe a well used boat is a happy boat that inspires memories. Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. I don't mean you, not in this instance. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy. Those stripper canoes are more of a furniture item than a practical boat. One would look nice on Wayne's lawn but still would need maintenance to keep it looking good.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A decent strip canoe can take a beating and can be used in pretty wild conditions.. Just cause it's pretty doesn't mean it's wimpy... My 12 yr old daughter has decided she wants a "sit on" type kayak instead of a "sit in" one so I will prob buy her a plastic one instead of building one. Like I need more boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Be sure not to get sucked into the trap of a 10-12 footer. They just won't perform and she will get bored and tired fast. Look for something 14 feet or longer. The longer the better, but I suspect you already know that.. Just makin' sure.. I really DONT know about kayak length because I cannot sit in a kayak too easily (legs too long) so have not paid any attention to them. Tell me about kayak length. Why do they sell those really tiny 6' ones? Around here turning is critical in swampy areas with lots of branches so too much length is bad I think (although it has never been an issue for the 18' Grumman canoe). I also worry about her being so exposed to gators but I s'pose that is just me being an over protective dad. The longer kayaks and sit on tops are much better on the long legs. I am 6'4" and handle most of the sit on tops easily. The Scupper Pro is too narrow as my hip bones hit, but the Hobie Outback is really nice. The pedals are faster, but the turning is wider with a rudder. Take her to a Kayak shop. They have demo days, or lots of demo's any day and let her try some. First one I bought was a Ocean Kayak Agean that is a tandem. Supposedly ok for a single person also. Not. Rides so high without the weight of two people, that it rolls really easy. I use an older OK Dive Kayak. They are maybe $200 these days, and is not real fast, but very stable. |
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"Frogwatch" wrote in message ... My 12 yr old daughter has decided she wants a "sit on" type kayak instead of a "sit in" one so I will prob buy her a plastic one instead of building one. Like I need more boats. Take a look at these: http://www.hobiecat.com/kayaking/models_sport.html I had one very similar with the pedal power setup. Only 9' and has removable wheels to transport it around. It was a blast and easy to paddle or pedal. Even has a sail kit option. Eisboch |
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wrote in message ... On Nov 17, 11:14 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Nov 17, 10:53 pm, wrote: On Nov 17, 7:28 pm, Jim wrote: Boater wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I agree with HK that strip canoes are very pretty. I disagree over practicality. OTOH, I have seen several boats that in the end were not really meant to ever be used, One was a variation on the Stevenson projects "Weekender" that was astonishing to look at with varnish so clear and deep it looked like a hologram. Every detail was done right with cabinetry of such high quality that it was exquisite. She was on display as an example of the boatmakers art and had never seen water and probably wouldn'. Many strip canoes are like that, once built, they are too perfect to be used. Would you really want to be on a canoe trip with one, the obsession over not scratching it would make you nutso. Around here, in summer, the river banks are lined with hornet nests every 3' and you get into one you have a choice of paddling like hell and running yer boat over logs or jumping out into the gator infested water or running into the weeds where the snakes drop into the boat. A strip canoe will not stay pristine for more than an hour. I believe a well used boat is a happy boat that inspires memories. Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. I don't mean you, not in this instance. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy. Those stripper canoes are more of a furniture item than a practical boat. One would look nice on Wayne's lawn but still would need maintenance to keep it looking good.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A decent strip canoe can take a beating and can be used in pretty wild conditions.. Just cause it's pretty doesn't mean it's wimpy... My 12 yr old daughter has decided she wants a "sit on" type kayak instead of a "sit in" one so I will prob buy her a plastic one instead of building one. Like I need more boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Be sure not to get sucked into the trap of a 10-12 footer. They just won't perform and she will get bored and tired fast. Look for something 14 feet or longer. The longer the better, but I suspect you already know that.. Just makin' sure.. ------------------------------------- You may be correct because I never tried a longer kayak. But the 9' 7" Hobie I had seemed to handle fine and was easy to transport. It was probably on the small side for an adult over 6' but I had no problem with it at 5' 11". or 5' 10" or 5' 9". I *was* 5' 11" at one time, but Mrs.E. says I am shrinking. I tell her it's an illusion because actually she's still growing. In fact, now that I think about it, the guy that bought it from me was over 6 feet tall. I remember him showing up to look at it and I expressed doubt that he would be comfortable in it. He sat in it while it was sitting on the lawn, and had no problem with his legs and feet relative to the pedal power duber. (it is adjustable) Anyway, I would think that for a 12 year old kid, a smaller kayak might be better, but what do I know? Eisboch |
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On Nov 17, 5:21*pm, Boater wrote:
Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. Not nearly as "practical" as the newer materials. Plastic type canoes are lighter, therefore easier to load, unload, easier to maneuver, easier to maintain, easier to store, easier to buy. When and where would a strip or canvas canoe be "practical" compared to canoes made with newer materials? The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. See above. If you are so nostalgic, why do you have a Parker when you could have an old wooden boat? Maybe even go back further to a dugout canoe, they are the REAL ones. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy.- And of course, now the lies start. |
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Boats as art
Boater wrote:
Jim wrote: wrote: On Nov 17, 5:21 pm, Boater wrote: Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. Not nearly as "practical" as the newer materials. Plastic type canoes are lighter, therefore easier to load, unload, easier to maneuver, easier to maintain, easier to store, easier to buy. When and where would a strip or canvas canoe be "practical" compared to canoes made with newer materials? The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. See above. If you are so nostalgic, why do you have a Parker when you could have an old wooden boat? Maybe even go back further to a dugout canoe, they are the REAL ones. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy.- And of course, now the lies start. Maybe not. I think he's talking about the days when he was knee high to a grass hopper. His long term memory is kicking in big time now. Short term ain't so good. Ask him what he had for breakfast this morning, besides pustules? It seems sort of fitting that you play footsie with Loogy, the dumbest d.f. in here. Oh. I had oatmeal with fresh blueberries. Then I went to a meeting downtown. Now, I'm back home. This should help your stalking a bit, eh? Footsie? Do I detect a bit of jealousy? I see a little JimH rubbing off on you. Fresh blueberries? |
Boats as art
"Jim" wrote in message ... Boater wrote: Jim wrote: wrote: On Nov 17, 5:21 pm, Boater wrote: Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. Not nearly as "practical" as the newer materials. Plastic type canoes are lighter, therefore easier to load, unload, easier to maneuver, easier to maintain, easier to store, easier to buy. When and where would a strip or canvas canoe be "practical" compared to canoes made with newer materials? The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. See above. If you are so nostalgic, why do you have a Parker when you could have an old wooden boat? Maybe even go back further to a dugout canoe, they are the REAL ones. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy.- And of course, now the lies start. Maybe not. I think he's talking about the days when he was knee high to a grass hopper. His long term memory is kicking in big time now. Short term ain't so good. Ask him what he had for breakfast this morning, besides pustules? It seems sort of fitting that you play footsie with Loogy, the dumbest d.f. in here. Oh. I had oatmeal with fresh blueberries. Then I went to a meeting downtown. Now, I'm back home. This should help your stalking a bit, eh? Footsie? Do I detect a bit of jealousy? I see a little JimH rubbing off on you. Fresh blueberries? Probably from Venezuela. |
Boats as art
"Eisboch" wrote in message ... "Frogwatch" wrote in message ... My 12 yr old daughter has decided she wants a "sit on" type kayak instead of a "sit in" one so I will prob buy her a plastic one instead of building one. Like I need more boats. Take a look at these: http://www.hobiecat.com/kayaking/models_sport.html I had one very similar with the pedal power setup. Only 9' and has removable wheels to transport it around. It was a blast and easy to paddle or pedal. Even has a sail kit option. Eisboch Have a friend who has the Hobie Sport. I can use it, but uncomfortable after a time. Just not enough room for me. Can not stretch out the legs. |
Boats as art
wrote in message ... On Nov 17, 5:21 pm, Boater wrote: Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. Not nearly as "practical" as the newer materials. Plastic type canoes are lighter, therefore easier to load, unload, easier to maneuver, easier to maintain, easier to store, easier to buy. When and where would a strip or canvas canoe be "practical" compared to canoes made with newer materials? The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. See above. If you are so nostalgic, why do you have a Parker when you could have an old wooden boat? Maybe even go back further to a dugout canoe, they are the REAL ones. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy.- And of course, now the lies start. Depends on the canoe. My fiberglass one is heavy. Is 17' and supposedly weighs 79#. They lied. One of the lightest canoes ever was a cedar strip backpack canoe. About 9#. Was made in the early 1900's and we would have a hard time duplicating it now. |
Boats as art
Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message ... On Nov 17, 5:21 pm, Boater wrote: Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. Not nearly as "practical" as the newer materials. Plastic type canoes are lighter, therefore easier to load, unload, easier to maneuver, easier to maintain, easier to store, easier to buy. When and where would a strip or canvas canoe be "practical" compared to canoes made with newer materials? The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. See above. If you are so nostalgic, why do you have a Parker when you could have an old wooden boat? Maybe even go back further to a dugout canoe, they are the REAL ones. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy.- And of course, now the lies start. Depends on the canoe. My fiberglass one is heavy. Is 17' and supposedly weighs 79#. They lied. One of the lightest canoes ever was a cedar strip backpack canoe. About 9#. Was made in the early 1900's and we would have a hard time duplicating it now. Loogy is mentally challenged. There's no point in engaging him. |
Boats as art
"Boater" wrote in message ... Calif Bill wrote: wrote in message ... On Nov 17, 5:21 pm, Boater wrote: Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. Not nearly as "practical" as the newer materials. Plastic type canoes are lighter, therefore easier to load, unload, easier to maneuver, easier to maintain, easier to store, easier to buy. When and where would a strip or canvas canoe be "practical" compared to canoes made with newer materials? The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. See above. If you are so nostalgic, why do you have a Parker when you could have an old wooden boat? Maybe even go back further to a dugout canoe, they are the REAL ones. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy.- And of course, now the lies start. Depends on the canoe. My fiberglass one is heavy. Is 17' and supposedly weighs 79#. They lied. One of the lightest canoes ever was a cedar strip backpack canoe. About 9#. Was made in the early 1900's and we would have a hard time duplicating it now. Loogy is mentally challenged. There's no point in engaging him. You are not one to bring up mental challenges. |
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On Nov 17, 11:27*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Nov 17, 11:19 pm, wrote: On Nov 17, 11:14 pm, Frogwatch wrote: On Nov 17, 10:53 pm, wrote: On Nov 17, 7:28 pm, Jim wrote: Boater wrote: Frogwatch wrote: I agree with HK that strip canoes are very pretty. *I disagree over practicality. *OTOH, I have seen several boats that in the end were not really meant to ever be used, *One was a variation on the Stevenson projects "Weekender" that was astonishing to look at with varnish so clear and deep it looked like a hologram. *Every detail was done right with cabinetry of such high quality that it was exquisite. She was on display as an example of the boatmakers art and had never seen water and probably wouldn'. *Many strip canoes are like that, once built, they are too perfect to be used. *Would you really want to be on a canoe trip with one, the obsession over not scratching it would make you nutso. Around here, in summer, the river banks are lined with hornet nests every 3' and you get into one you have a choice of paddling like hell and running yer boat over logs or jumping out into the gator infested water or running into the weeds where the snakes drop into the boat. A strip canoe will not stay pristine for more than an hour. I believe a well used boat is a happy boat that inspires memories. Strip or canvas over strip canoes are practical in the appropriate waters. There are many lakes where using one can be a real pleasure. I never recommended one for general use in areas where it might be subject to being banged up. The problem, of course, is that this newsgroup is infested with assholes who look for something, anything, even in possibly interested on topic subjects, they can use to post their usual lowbrow insults. I don't mean you, not in this instance. We used to canoe when I was a kid on a couple of really nice Connecticut lakes. Lake Zoar was one of them. I have no recollection of banging up the Old Town cedar and canvas canoes we were using. This was well before the days of plastic canoes. There were plenty of aluminum canoes, of course, but jesus they were ugly. And noisy. Those stripper canoes are more of a furniture item than a practical boat. One would look nice on Wayne's lawn but still would need maintenance to keep it looking good.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - A decent strip canoe can take a beating and can be used in pretty wild conditions.. Just cause it's pretty doesn't mean it's wimpy... My 12 yr old daughter has decided she wants a "sit on" type kayak instead of a "sit in" one so I will prob buy her a plastic one instead of building one. *Like I need more boats.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Be sure not to get sucked into the trap of a 10-12 footer. They just won't perform and she will get bored and tired fast. Look for something 14 feet or longer. The longer the better, but I suspect you already know that.. Just makin' sure.. I really DONT know about kayak length because I cannot sit in a kayak too easily (legs too long) so have not paid any attention to them. Tell me about kayak length. *Why do they sell those really tiny 6' ones? *Around here turning is critical in swampy areas with lots of branches so too much length is bad I think (although it has never been an issue for the 18' Grumman canoe). *I also worry about her being so exposed to gators but I s'pose that is just me being an over protective dad.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, as far as being comfortable, that is a matter of preference. My issue with short kayaks is that they are very innefficient. If you are fooling around the dock and in a pond, throwing it off the side of a boat to get cooled off, or paddle out 50 feet and float around, go ahead and get a 12 footer or even shorter. But if you are planning any "paddling" in a straight line say across a half mile river, around the island and up currant for a while, in other words, if you are actually going to go anyplace with the boat, you want a long boat so your arms don't die a half mile into the trip. I have seen folks down around Essex adults and kids get into these short kayaks like a Pungo, they us them three times, get frustrated because they are so slow they can't even beat the current in the river, and they get put in the garage and that is where they stay.... and rot. |
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 20:27:44 -0800, Frogwatch wrote:
I really DONT know about kayak length because I cannot sit in a kayak too easily (legs too long) so have not paid any attention to them. Tell me about kayak length. Why do they sell those really tiny 6' ones? Around here turning is critical in swampy areas with lots of branches so too much length is bad I think (although it has never been an issue for the 18' Grumman canoe). I also worry about her being so exposed to gators but I s'pose that is just me being an over protective dad. Those "tiny 6' ones" are for whitewater, they are agile, but not very good if you have to paddle for distance. |
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