Portable Gps/Plotter with AIS-Receiver Support
 

"Pascal" skrev i en meddelelse
ups.com...


Flemming,

I can see that your boat is very well equipped... I suggest strongly
that you give a visit to the web page of another sailor very well
equipped and very well documented ... It has a excellent home page
with interesting information about his experience with AIS and
specially with SOB... See the link below:

http://www.svsarah.com/Sarah/Upgrades/AIS.htm

Pascal

Hi Pascal,

Thank you very much for your link to a very useful and interesting
homepage.

From the introductory text, I can see that long range planning is one of
Johns top priorities:
"I am in the process of a massive equipment upgrade to prepare Sarah as
a live-aboard vessel in 2003 and as a trans-Atlantic cruiser in 20054."

I wonder, what the marine technology will look like in 20054 ... ;o) ...
odd thought by the way ...

Sorry ... - but seriously, it is a most relevant homepage for me ... may
be not only for me? ... anyway, thanks!

--
Flemming Torp
Gimle/DEN-61

Portable Gps/Plotter with AIS-Receiver Support
 

Do not worry about waht he says in the begining, because he writes as
a diary, he do not updates/re-writes the text, but if you folow the
articels along the time, you will see that his information is updated
or not so outdated as you think.

Pascal

Portable Gps/Plotter with AIS-Receiver Support
 

"Pascal" skrev i en meddelelse
ups.com...
Do not worry about waht he says in the begining, because he writes as
a diary, he do not updates/re-writes the text, but if you folow the
articels along the time, you will see that his information is updated
or not so outdated as you think.

Pascal

Sorry if my comment was interpreted as some kind of critique ..., I was
just trying to make a joke about the misspelling in the introduction of
the year John was planning "the big tour": Year 20.054 ... that is a
pretty solid time frame ... ;o) ...

I have now spent several hours following his thoughts, ideas, decisions,
and implementations (jumping around - following the different links),
and I am learning a lot ... Not that I can or will do all the things
myself, but I do get a lot of inspiration and insight in a world, that
is pretty new to me. So I find the many pages most useful! I'm really
impressed with the way he has illustrated and documented the whole
proces. It must have taken *a lot* of time - and I can sit in front of
my PC and get the results of several years of thinking, trying, testing,
experimenting, and experience in a matter of a few hours ... amazing ...
I'm very happy with this link!

Unfortunately, I've been told, that my chartplotter (Raymarine C530+)
cannot handle AIS input like his Raymarine multi-instrument-monitor,
(the Raymarine C120 using Navionics cards) - and there should be no
plans to develop an "AIS-interface" to my model. Therefore, I can not
do what John has done integration wise ... may be there will be an
interface one day who knows? ... In the meantime, I will continue my
learning proces with the SOB-package, find a suitable AIS engine, and a
VHF splitter, (that will not destroy my AIS engine (SIC!)) and play with
the system on my notebook PC ... Today, I use the only seriel port on
the PC to get the NMEA stream of data from the GPSvia RS232 ... The
C-map chart reader is using a USB interface, but it would be nice, if
the SOB application on the PC could "read" the charts from the
chartplotter via the hsb2 interface between the chartplotter and the PC.
In that way, I would have a full functioning/integrated "Raymarine
SeaTalk-system" plus a separate AIS application using the SOB package
with the monitor showing the C-map charts and the AIS data - visible
from the helm ... I will then have to figure out how also to get the
seriel input from the AIS engine into the PC ... May be via USB? Or a
multiplexor? If I'm not mistaken, Meindert will have an answer to that
....

--
Flemming Torp
Gimle/DEN-61

Portable Gps/Plotter with AIS-Receiver Support
 

... Today, I use the only seriel port on
the PC to get the NMEA stream of data from the GPSvia RS232 ... The
C-map chart reader is using a USB interface,

... I will then have to figure out how also to get the
seriel input from the AIS engine into the PC ... May be via USB? Or a
multiplexor? If I'm not mistaken, Meindert will have an answer to that
...

--
Flemming Torp
Gimle/DEN-61

Flemming,

If you buy the SR161 (I have one of these) it alows you to connect the
serial output cable (DB9 end) of your Gps (my gps is a Garmin and the
serial cable is standard) to the "serial input/output" DB9 on the AIS
receiver SR 161, so, the SR161 act as a Multiplexor, joinining the Gps
NMEA outputed at 4800 bps from the gps with his own generated AIS
NMEA data and sending to the serial port of the PC (DB9) a "correctly
combined Gps/Ais mixed NMEA Messages" at 38400 bps ... In this way, I
do not need another serial port on the laptop/Pc.

The Milltech Marine site where I have buy my AIS unit sell a already
made special cable, (I have buy one, becase I do not like to made this
type of work too) but they have an diagram in PDF of the cable so tht
you can made one yourself.

Pascal

Portable Gps/Plotter with AIS-Receiver Support
 

"Pascal" skrev i en meddelelse
ups.com...
... Today, I use the only seriel port on
the PC to get the NMEA stream of data from the GPSvia RS232 ... The
C-map chart reader is using a USB interface,

... I will then have to figure out how also to get the
seriel input from the AIS engine into the PC ... May be via USB? Or a
multiplexor? If I'm not mistaken, Meindert will have an answer to
that
...

--
Flemming Torp
Gimle/DEN-61

Flemming,

If you buy the SR161 (I have one of these) it alows you to connect the
serial output cable (DB9 end) of your Gps (my gps is a Garmin and the
serial cable is standard) to the "serial input/output" DB9 on the AIS
receiver SR 161, so, the SR161 act as a Multiplexor, joinining the Gps
NMEA outputed at 4800 bps from the gps with his own generated AIS
NMEA data and sending to the serial port of the PC (DB9) a "correctly
combined Gps/Ais mixed NMEA Messages" at 38400 bps ... In this way, I
do not need another serial port on the laptop/Pc.

The Milltech Marine site where I have buy my AIS unit sell a already
made special cable, (I have buy one, becase I do not like to made this
type of work too) but they have an diagram in PDF of the cable so tht
you can made one yourself.

Pascal

Portable Gps/Plotter with AIS-Receiver Support
 

"Pascal" skrev i en meddelelse
ups.com...
... Today, I use the only seriel port on
the PC to get the NMEA stream of data from the GPSvia RS232 ... The
C-map chart reader is using a USB interface,

... I will then have to figure out how also to get the
seriel input from the AIS engine into the PC ... May be via USB? Or a
multiplexor? If I'm not mistaken, Meindert will have an answer to
that
...

--
Flemming Torp
Gimle/DEN-61

Flemming,

If you buy the SR161 (I have one of these) it alows you to connect the
serial output cable (DB9 end) of your Gps (my gps is a Garmin and the
serial cable is standard) to the "serial input/output" DB9 on the AIS
receiver SR 161, so, the SR161 act as a Multiplexor, joinining the Gps
NMEA outputed at 4800 bps from the gps with his own generated AIS
NMEA data and sending to the serial port of the PC (DB9) a "correctly
combined Gps/Ais mixed NMEA Messages" at 38400 bps ... In this way, I
do not need another serial port on the laptop/Pc.

The Milltech Marine site where I have buy my AIS unit sell a already
made special cable, (I have buy one, becase I do not like to made this
type of work too) but they have an diagram in PDF of the cable so tht
you can made one yourself.

Pascal

Hello Pascal,

I have just finished reading some of the last updates John has
implemented in Sarah ... impressive and fascinating report, I must say.
I have learned more in the last five hours about problems in integrating
navigational instruments from different manufacturers and the way to
tackle these issues, than I ever dreamed/dreamt(?) of ...

As to your comment about cabling: Thank you for pointing this out to me.
I had not seen that, but I have so far not studied the SR161/162 in
detail, but this piece of information is certainly of great importance
to me. Now, there should hopefully be no more obstacles for me? ... So,
what I understand is, that now I just need an "AIS engine" i.e. SR161 or
SR162 (?), an antenna splitter and the special cable you mention, that
I - also - would rather purchase ready made than make myself ... ;o) ...
and then I should be ready to test the system on my PC running SOB and
the C-Map card reader connected to an USB port. As I live a few miles
from Øresund - the water between Sweden and Denmark with pretty heavy
trafic, I hope, I can do the testing from here ... I'll give it a try
....

When it gets warmer, I will go to the boat and see, if the SOB
application is able to "read" the C-maps from the Raymarine chartplotter
when the hsb2 is activated between the chartplotter and the PC ... In
that way, I will get the best of two worlds ... You know: One wants the
cake *and* eat it ...

Thank you again for your helpful and useful comments ... I'm an
"enthusiastic amateur in this game" ...

--
Flemming Torp
Gimle/DEN-61

Portable Gps/Plotter with AIS-Receiver Support
 

"Pascal" wrote in message
ups.com...
If you buy the SR161 (I have one of these) it alows you to connect the
serial output cable (DB9 end) of your Gps (my gps is a Garmin and the
serial cable is standard) to the "serial input/output" DB9 on the AIS
receiver SR 161, so, the SR161 act as a Multiplexor, joinining the Gps
NMEA outputed at 4800 bps from the gps with his own generated AIS
NMEA data and sending to the serial port of the PC (DB9) a "correctly
combined Gps/Ais mixed NMEA Messages" at 38400 bps ... In this way, I
do not need another serial port on the laptop/Pc.

Pascal, does the SR161 pass all the incoming GPS sentences or just the RMC
sentence? I haven't tried that myself yet....

Meindert

Portable Gps/Plotter with AIS-Receiver Support
 

"Flemming Torp" fletopkanelbolle2rp.danmark wrote in message
. ..
.....the system on my notebook PC ... Today, I use the only seriel port on
the PC to get the NMEA stream of data from the GPSvia RS232 ... The
C-map chart reader is using a USB interface, but it would be nice, if
the SOB application on the PC could "read" the charts from the
chartplotter via the hsb2 interface between the chartplotter and the PC.
In that way, I would have a full functioning/integrated "Raymarine
SeaTalk-system" plus a separate AIS application using the SOB package
with the monitor showing the C-map charts and the AIS data - visible
from the helm ... I will then have to figure out how also to get the
seriel input from the AIS engine into the PC ... May be via USB? Or a
multiplexor? If I'm not mistaken, Meindert will have an answer to that

:-)

Well, I can offer you the MiniPlex-41USB-AIS, that will allow you to feed
the AIS data to your computer and also translate Seatalk into NMEA. And our
virtual com port driver blocks any PnP request from Windows so you'll never
get the nasty "jumping cursor" when windows thinks GPS data is a mouse....

Meindert

Portable Gps/Plotter with AIS-Receiver Support
 

On 27 fev, 04:47, "Meindert Sprang"
wrote:
"Pascal" wrote in message

ups.com...

If you buy the SR161 (I have one of these) it alows you to connect the
serial output cable (DB9 end) of your Gps (my gps is a Garmin and the
serial cable is standard) to the "serial input/output" DB9 on the AIS
receiver SR 161, so, the SR161 act as a Multiplexor, joinining the Gps
NMEA outputed at 4800 bps from the gps with his own generated AIS
NMEA data and sending to the serial port of the PC (DB9) a "correctly
combined Gps/Ais mixed NMEA Messages" at 38400 bps ... In this way, I
do not need another serial port on the laptop/Pc.

Pascal, does the SR161 pass all the incoming GPS sentences or just the RMC
sentence? I haven't tried that myself yet....

Meindert

Hi Meindert,

It pass all messages, see a sample below.. If anybody wish I can send
offline by e-mail the Milltech Marine Pdf file wih the combined Gps/
Ais cable diagram for the SR161/162


Best regards

Pascal

S 13 00/W 038 27

Sample Gps/Ais mesages taken with Hyperterminal. Not that the boat was
not moving (marina docked) and the ships was docked at several
nearby ports. There was few ships (about 4 or 5) so the little
quantity of AIS mesages. My portable antena is at deck level ...
inside the cabin. If anybody wants, I can send a more extensive txt
file with more the messages.

$GPRMB,A,0.04,R,BA01,AIC,1248.645,S,03827.637,W,0. 080,316.9,,V,A*28

$GPGGA,200951,1248.704,S,03827.581,W,1,10,0.8,12.2 ,M,-10.5,M,,*5D

$GPGLL,1248.704,S,03827.581,W,200951,A,A*49

$GPBOD,165.6,T,188.6,M,AIC,BA01*0D

$GPBWC,200951,1248.645,S,03827.637,W,316.9,T,340.0 ,M,0.080,N,AIC,A*23

$GPVTG,359.6,T,22.7,M,0.0,N,0.0,K,A*1D

$GPXTE,A,A,0.04,R,N,A*19

$GPAPB,A,A,0.04,R,N,V,A,188.6,M,AIC,340.0,M,340.0, M,A*17

$GPRMC,200953,A,1248.704,S,03827.581,W,0.0,359.6,1 80207,23.0,W,A*31

!AIVDM,1,1,,B,34VTj85001M?hG9pd@43w5?`0000,0*5C

$GPRMB,A,0.04,R,BA01,AIC,1248.645,S,03827.637,W,0. 080,316.9,,V,A*28

!AIVDM,1,1,,B,1:UeJL0P01M?hhWpcp6GcOwb08O?,0*0F

$GPGGA,200953,1248.704,S,03827.581,W,1,10,0.8,12.0 ,M,-10.5,M,,*5D

$GPGLL,1248.704,S,03827.581,W,200953,A,A*4B

$GPBOD,165.6,T,188.6,M,AIC,BA01*0D

$GPBWC,200953,1248.645,S,03827.637,W,316.9,T,340.0 ,M,0.080,N,AIC,A*21

$GPVTG,359.6,T,22.7,M,0.0,N,0.0,K,A*1D

$GPXTE,A,A,0.04,R,N,A*19

$GPAPB,A,A,0.04,R,N,V,A,188.6,M,AIC,340.0,M,340.0, M,A*17

$GPRMC,200955,A,1248.704,S,03827.581,W,0.0,359.6,1 80207,23.0,W,A*37

$GPRMB,A,0.04,R,BA01,AIC,1248.645,S,03827.637,W,0. 080,316.9,,V,A*28

$GPGGA,200955,1248.704,S,03827.581,W,1,10,0.8,12.0 ,M,-10.5,M,,*5B

$GPGLL,1248.704,S,03827.581,W,200955,A,A*4D

$GPBOD,165.6,T,188.6,M,AIC,BA01*0D

$GPBWC,200955,1248.645,S,03827.637,W,316.9,T,340.0 ,M,0.080,N,AIC,A*27

$GPVTG,359.6,T,22.7,M,0.0,N,0.0,K,A*1D

$GPXTE,A,A,0.04,R,N,A*19

$GPAPB,A,A,0.04,R,N,V,A,188.6,M,AIC,340.0,M,340.0, M,A*17


$GPRMC,201001,A,1248.704,S,03827.581,W,0.0,359.6,1 80207,23.0,W,A*3E

$GPRMB,A,0.04,R,BA01,AIC,1248.645,S,03827.637,W,0. 080,316.9,,V,A*28

$GPGGA,201001,1248.704,S,03827.581,W,1,10,0.7,12.1 ,M,-10.5,M,,*5C

$GPGLL,1248.704,S,03827.581,W,201001,A,A*44

$GPBOD,165.6,T,188.6,M,AIC,BA01*0D

$GPBWC,201001,1248.645,S,03827.637,W,316.9,T,340.0 ,M,0.080,N,AIC,A*2E

$GPVTG,359.6,T,22.7,M,0.0,N,0.0,K,A*1D

$GPXTE,A,A,0.04,R,N,A*19

$GPAPB,A,A,0.04,R,N,V,A,188.6,M,AIC,340.0,M,340.0, M,A*17

!AIVDM,1,1,,B,19NS9aEP00M?iAApckS72?v0081Q,0*59

$GPRMC,201003,A,1248.704,S,03827.581,W,0.0,359.6,1 80207,23.0,W,A*3C

Portable Gps/Plotter with AIS-Receiver Support
 

On 26 fev, 23:44, "Flemming Torp" fletopkanelbolle2rp.danmark wrote:
"Pascal" skrev i en meddelelsenews:1172535312.637404.34540@j27g2000cwj .googlegroups.com...



... Today, I use the only seriel port on
the PC to get the NMEA stream of data from the GPSvia RS232 ... The
C-map chart reader is using a USB interface,

... I will then have to figure out how also to get the
seriel input from the AIS engine into the PC ... May be via USB? Or a
multiplexor? If I'm not mistaken, Meindert will have an answer to
that
...

--
Flemming Torp
Gimle/DEN-61

Flemming,

If you buy the SR161 (I have one of these) it alows you to connect the
serial output cable (DB9 end) of your Gps (my gps is a Garmin and the
serial cable is standard) to the "serial input/output" DB9 on the AIS
receiver SR 161, so, the SR161 act as a Multiplexor, joinining the Gps
NMEA outputed at 4800 bps from the gps with his own generated AIS
NMEA data and sending to the serial port of the PC (DB9) a "correctly
combined Gps/Ais mixed NMEA Messages" at 38400 bps ... In this way, I
do not need another serial port on the laptop/Pc.

The Milltech Marine site where I have buy my AIS unit sell a already
made special cable, (I have buy one, becase I do not like to made this
type of work too) but they have an diagram in PDF of the cable so tht
you can made one yourself.

Pascal

Hello Pascal,

I have just finished reading some of the last updates John has
implemented in Sarah ... impressive and fascinating report, I must say.
I have learned more in the last five hours about problems in integrating
navigational instruments from different manufacturers and the way to
tackle these issues, than I ever dreamed/dreamt(?) of ...

As to your comment about cabling: Thank you for pointing this out to me.
I had not seen that, but I have so far not studied the SR161/162 in
detail, but this piece of information is certainly of great importance
to me. Now, there should hopefully be no more obstacles for me? ... So,
what I understand is, that now I just need an "AIS engine" i.e. SR161 or
SR162 (?), an antenna splitter and the special cable you mention, that
I - also - would rather purchase ready made than make myself ... ;o) ...
and then I should be ready to test the system on my PC running SOB and
the C-Map card reader connected to an USB port. As I live a few miles
from Øresund - the water between Sweden and Denmark with pretty heavy
trafic, I hope, I can do the testing from here ... I'll give it a try
...

When it gets warmer, I will go to the boat and see, if the SOB
application is able to "read" the C-maps from the Raymarine chartplotter
when the hsb2 is activated between the chartplotter and the PC ... In
that way, I will get the best of two worlds ... You know: One wants the
cake *and* eat it ...

Thank you again for your helpful and useful comments ... I'm an
"enthusiastic amateur in this game" ...

--
Flemming Torp
Gimle/DEN-61- Ocultar texto entire aspas -

- Mostrar texto entre aspas -

Flemming,

If you wish to test AIS at Home, the antenna splitter will be
useless... for now, just buy a small portable antenna (like the
antennas of portable vhf radios) with BNC adapter which would give you
a good reception up to 5 nm or if you decide to have a separate
antenna instead of a antenna splitter, to mount on your arch or over
the bimini top, them buy a standard VHF antenna which at this level
is good to about 10 nm. Off course, if your house is near the sea at
high level, the reception would be much better. Here at my home wich
is in water front at about 3 or 4 meters high I can get ships up to 15
nm using my small portable antenna.

By the way, for use at home I prefer to use AIS with the ShipPlotter
software, wich costs very little, about 25 euros, and it is very
good, it has many interesting features, like a data base of ships
wich you build along the use, internet connection, so you can share
the AIS info with others users in your area, access to IMO ships data
base to get more ships info and access to Google to get the ships
picture etc... At home you not need to use a gps, since you are at a
fixed location ... But it uses only Raster charts.. You can scn a
local map/chart and uses it, since there is no need to more than
one ...