Is there anything to choose between these two sets for use on a boat
on both ham and marine bands (after appropriate doctoring) ? I am
inclining to the Yaesu, but largely because my main set in the FT-897
and I like it.

I am a bit surprised by the advice to add an SSB filter and DSP to the
Yaesu, that adds a lot to the price. How do the base sets compare?

Thanks

Quite need that the frontpanel on the 706mkiig is detachable. Makes it
easier to install at your nav station.

Bjarke


"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...
Is there anything to choose between these two sets for use on a boat
on both ham and marine bands (after appropriate doctoring) ? I am
inclining to the Yaesu, but largely because my main set in the FT-897
and I like it.

I am a bit surprised by the advice to add an SSB filter and DSP to the
Yaesu, that adds a lot to the price. How do the base sets compare?

Thanks

On 17 Feb, 20:45, "Bjarke M. Christensen"
bjarkeNG@grevestrand_punktum_danmark wrote:
Quite need that the frontpanel on the 706mkiig is detachable. Makes it
easier to install at your nav station.

Bjarke


So is the faceplate on the FT-857. And the link does not require an
exotic and expensive cable.

"Steve" wrote in
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and marine bands (after appropriate doctoring)

If they catch you using ham gear on the marine bands, they'll take your
ham license and ship license and fine you bigtime. It is something to
consider. Unless your 706 or Yahoo has the high stability master
oscillator, it isn't stable enough for marine band use, which is why it's
not approved.

I prefer Yahoo over Icom on the ham bands. But, the Icom M802 is a great
radio for both bands. To put the M802 to full-band transmit, all freqs,
turn it off. Hold down MODE + TX + 2 while turning it on. It now
transmits from 2-30 Mhz. To put it back to just marine use, simply
repeat the procedure. Be careful not to press any other buttons doing
this as many other combinations exist that are undocumented to the users,
that may lock it for an expensive factory reset. I use Lionheart's M802
to an AT-130 loading a 55' backstay and triattic capacitor hat. Works
great on all the bands, considering most of the power it generates is
simply absorbed by the sailing rigging.

Now, which marine rig converted to the ham bands were you buying?

My ham stations are a fully loaded FT-990AC to a Drake L4B with proper
stable HVDC power supply to a Butternut HF9VX vertical mounted in the
center of a metal roof ground plane. Mobile is a fully loaded FT-900 and
highly modified Tentec Hercules II 12V linear feeding a 15' tall homebrew
Texas Bug catcher of my own design at 650W RF output from a '73 Mercedes
220 Diesel with no electronic noise makers, whatsoever, on 160-10M.

I hardly ever use it any more. Skype on the internet is more fun without
those old codgers bitching at you you're on their private frequency
they've been using since 1948....(c;

Larry W4Charleston South Carolina
on Lionheart WDB-6254
an old codger ham since 1957...I was 11.

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On 18 Feb, 06:11, Larry wrote:
"Steve" wrote groups.com:

and marine bands (after appropriate doctoring)

If they catch you using ham gear on the marine bands, they'll take your
ham license and ship license and fine you bigtime. It is something to
consider. Unless your 706 or Yahoo has the high stability master
oscillator, it isn't stable enough for marine band use, which is why it's
not approved.

Thanks for this.

I should have mde it clear. It will be used for ham, including pactor,
and for receiving weather. However it will be modfied to give access
to marine HF. In case of emergency I want all options available. But
it will not be routinely used on marie bands.

The M802 is too big, too heavy and too expensive for my purposes.

But if 'emergency' is a concern to you, you should have the distress
function that is only availbale on marine ssb's.

I don't get you point with the weight. Don't you carry some 200 liter of
fresh water ?

price I agree. It's clear that there is to litlle competition on marine
rig's and consequently the prices are 20-30% higher for the "same" rig.

Bjarke

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On 18 Feb, 06:11, Larry wrote:
"Steve" wrote
groups.com:

and marine bands (after appropriate doctoring)

If they catch you using ham gear on the marine bands, they'll take your
ham license and ship license and fine you bigtime. It is something to
consider. Unless your 706 or Yahoo has the high stability master
oscillator, it isn't stable enough for marine band use, which is why it's
not approved.

Thanks for this.

I should have mde it clear. It will be used for ham, including pactor,
and for receiving weather. However it will be modfied to give access
to marine HF. In case of emergency I want all options available. But
it will not be routinely used on marie bands.

The M802 is too big, too heavy and too expensive for my purposes.

"Bjarke M. Christensen" bjarkeNG@grevestrand_punktum_danmark wrote in
:

But if 'emergency' is a concern to you, you should have the distress
function that is only availbale on marine ssb's.



Useless. The half-assed DSC/GMDSS implementation on pleasure craft
marine HF is damned near useless.

If he's going to spend money on EMERGENCY radios, he needs a 406 Mhz
EPIRB with its OWN GPS receiver built inside it, not some bogus GPS-ready
he hooks his GPS to. You don't even have to press the button, just let
it float and off she goes. They ALL pay attention to the 406 EPIRB going
off.

Hell, CG doesn't pay attention to boys screaming for help after their
stupid father/uncle rammed his sailboat into the Charleston Jetties.
There's no doubt they are in trouble. I've listened to the tape the
local radio station FORCED them to release under Freedom of Information
Act. How any CG watchstander could have just let them all drown for fear
of getting the boat crew out of their racks has never left my mind. How
soon the rest of the world forgets the "Morning Dew" incident.

The cure for this is 406 EPIRB notifying the big guns who are NOT afraid
of waking up the CG to do something and have the horsepower to do it. HF
is DOOMED. All the commercial stations that DID do most of the
listening, except for the Alaskans I'm going to get lambasted by for
saying it, are gone! Try it for yourselves! Switch to one of the CG
frequencies and CALL 'EM. I did. On the 5th frequency, I FINALLY got
ONE CG radio operator who was awake. I pointedly asked him why noone but
him was monitoring those other 4 frequencies. He didn't know.

I'm well versed in time-of-day HF propagation, the physics of HF. I've
been a ham using it since 1957. Right now, the bands are in awful shape,
the sunspot cycle near its low. 150 watts into all that rigging doesn't
make the trip very well in these conditions. You're much better off with
an Iridium phone so you can call 'em on the landline!

Larry W4CSC and other fine old calls since 1957.
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OK, that must be country specific. Distress calls in my part og the world
are being taken very seriously. So seriously that if someone press the
button without reason that are to pay a 1000-5000 USD fee for sending out a
helicopter and a few lifeboats to see. Further, if you do send out digital
distress, it will wake up all the other gmdss radios making then awful
noisy. CG or not. Many people (among other commercial ships) will notice
that....



I could be just because I'm from an old sailor nation, but I think you
should do something to fix your CG problem.



However I do agree than an epirb is the most valuable security device.
Worldwide ....



Bjarke




"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Bjarke M. Christensen" bjarkeNG@grevestrand_punktum_danmark wrote in
:

But if 'emergency' is a concern to you, you should have the distress
function that is only availbale on marine ssb's.



Useless. The half-assed DSC/GMDSS implementation on pleasure craft
marine HF is damned near useless.

If he's going to spend money on EMERGENCY radios, he needs a 406 Mhz
EPIRB with its OWN GPS receiver built inside it, not some bogus GPS-ready
he hooks his GPS to. You don't even have to press the button, just let
it float and off she goes. They ALL pay attention to the 406 EPIRB going
off.

Hell, CG doesn't pay attention to boys screaming for help after their
stupid father/uncle rammed his sailboat into the Charleston Jetties.
There's no doubt they are in trouble. I've listened to the tape the
local radio station FORCED them to release under Freedom of Information
Act. How any CG watchstander could have just let them all drown for fear
of getting the boat crew out of their racks has never left my mind. How
soon the rest of the world forgets the "Morning Dew" incident.

The cure for this is 406 EPIRB notifying the big guns who are NOT afraid
of waking up the CG to do something and have the horsepower to do it. HF
is DOOMED. All the commercial stations that DID do most of the
listening, except for the Alaskans I'm going to get lambasted by for
saying it, are gone! Try it for yourselves! Switch to one of the CG
frequencies and CALL 'EM. I did. On the 5th frequency, I FINALLY got
ONE CG radio operator who was awake. I pointedly asked him why noone but
him was monitoring those other 4 frequencies. He didn't know.

I'm well versed in time-of-day HF propagation, the physics of HF. I've
been a ham using it since 1957. Right now, the bands are in awful shape,
the sunspot cycle near its low. 150 watts into all that rigging doesn't
make the trip very well in these conditions. You're much better off with
an Iridium phone so you can call 'em on the landline!

Larry W4CSC and other fine old calls since 1957.
--
Vista has been out a week.
Is Service Pack 1 ready yet?

In article ,
Larry wrote:

All the commercial stations that DID do most of the
listening, except for the Alaskans I'm going to get lambasted by for
saying it, are gone!

Naw, Larry, I would NEVER "lambast" you for such a statment......

Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

Are you saying that the osc's in marine ht/ssb's are more stable that the
osc's in ham hf/ssb's ? Why should that be so ? If icom can make it stable
in the marine ssb; why don't they deploy the same technology in the ham
ssb's ? I guess freq stability is a must for hams as well ??

When the 802 is enabled for ham (using the procedure you describe) will it
do both or do you have to toggle it back constantly ?

You often hear that marine ssb's are difficult to use on ham, as they are
optimised for a fixed freq setting, and not for the more variable freq used
on ham. How big a problem i that ?

Idont know you ham license structure, but where I live only the higest
license level are allowed to use more than 100w. Can the 802 be configured
to run only 100w on ham bands and 150w on marine bands ?

Bjarke


"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Steve" wrote in
oups.com:

and marine bands (after appropriate doctoring)

If they catch you using ham gear on the marine bands, they'll take your
ham license and ship license and fine you bigtime. It is something to
consider. Unless your 706 or Yahoo has the high stability master
oscillator, it isn't stable enough for marine band use, which is why it's
not approved.

I prefer Yahoo over Icom on the ham bands. But, the Icom M802 is a great
radio for both bands. To put the M802 to full-band transmit, all freqs,
turn it off. Hold down MODE + TX + 2 while turning it on. It now
transmits from 2-30 Mhz. To put it back to just marine use, simply
repeat the procedure. Be careful not to press any other buttons doing
this as many other combinations exist that are undocumented to the users,
that may lock it for an expensive factory reset. I use Lionheart's M802
to an AT-130 loading a 55' backstay and triattic capacitor hat. Works
great on all the bands, considering most of the power it generates is
simply absorbed by the sailing rigging.

Now, which marine rig converted to the ham bands were you buying?

My ham stations are a fully loaded FT-990AC to a Drake L4B with proper
stable HVDC power supply to a Butternut HF9VX vertical mounted in the
center of a metal roof ground plane. Mobile is a fully loaded FT-900 and
highly modified Tentec Hercules II 12V linear feeding a 15' tall homebrew
Texas Bug catcher of my own design at 650W RF output from a '73 Mercedes
220 Diesel with no electronic noise makers, whatsoever, on 160-10M.

I hardly ever use it any more. Skype on the internet is more fun without
those old codgers bitching at you you're on their private frequency
they've been using since 1948....(c;

Larry W4Charleston South Carolina
on Lionheart WDB-6254
an old codger ham since 1957...I was 11.

--
Vista has been out a week.
Is Service Pack 1 ready yet?