But if 'emergency' is a concern to you, you should have the distress
function that is only availbale on marine ssb's.

I don't get you point with the weight. Don't you carry some 200 liter of
fresh water ?

price I agree. It's clear that there is to litlle competition on marine
rig's and consequently the prices are 20-30% higher for the "same" rig.

Bjarke

"Steve" wrote in message
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On 18 Feb, 06:11, Larry wrote:
"Steve" wrote
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and marine bands (after appropriate doctoring)

If they catch you using ham gear on the marine bands, they'll take your
ham license and ship license and fine you bigtime. It is something to
consider. Unless your 706 or Yahoo has the high stability master
oscillator, it isn't stable enough for marine band use, which is why it's
not approved.

Thanks for this.

I should have mde it clear. It will be used for ham, including pactor,
and for receiving weather. However it will be modfied to give access
to marine HF. In case of emergency I want all options available. But
it will not be routinely used on marie bands.

The M802 is too big, too heavy and too expensive for my purposes.

"Bjarke M. Christensen" bjarkeNG@grevestrand_punktum_danmark wrote in
:

But if 'emergency' is a concern to you, you should have the distress
function that is only availbale on marine ssb's.



Useless. The half-assed DSC/GMDSS implementation on pleasure craft
marine HF is damned near useless.

If he's going to spend money on EMERGENCY radios, he needs a 406 Mhz
EPIRB with its OWN GPS receiver built inside it, not some bogus GPS-ready
he hooks his GPS to. You don't even have to press the button, just let
it float and off she goes. They ALL pay attention to the 406 EPIRB going
off.

Hell, CG doesn't pay attention to boys screaming for help after their
stupid father/uncle rammed his sailboat into the Charleston Jetties.
There's no doubt they are in trouble. I've listened to the tape the
local radio station FORCED them to release under Freedom of Information
Act. How any CG watchstander could have just let them all drown for fear
of getting the boat crew out of their racks has never left my mind. How
soon the rest of the world forgets the "Morning Dew" incident.

The cure for this is 406 EPIRB notifying the big guns who are NOT afraid
of waking up the CG to do something and have the horsepower to do it. HF
is DOOMED. All the commercial stations that DID do most of the
listening, except for the Alaskans I'm going to get lambasted by for
saying it, are gone! Try it for yourselves! Switch to one of the CG
frequencies and CALL 'EM. I did. On the 5th frequency, I FINALLY got
ONE CG radio operator who was awake. I pointedly asked him why noone but
him was monitoring those other 4 frequencies. He didn't know.

I'm well versed in time-of-day HF propagation, the physics of HF. I've
been a ham using it since 1957. Right now, the bands are in awful shape,
the sunspot cycle near its low. 150 watts into all that rigging doesn't
make the trip very well in these conditions. You're much better off with
an Iridium phone so you can call 'em on the landline!

Larry W4CSC and other fine old calls since 1957.
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OK, that must be country specific. Distress calls in my part og the world
are being taken very seriously. So seriously that if someone press the
button without reason that are to pay a 1000-5000 USD fee for sending out a
helicopter and a few lifeboats to see. Further, if you do send out digital
distress, it will wake up all the other gmdss radios making then awful
noisy. CG or not. Many people (among other commercial ships) will notice
that....



I could be just because I'm from an old sailor nation, but I think you
should do something to fix your CG problem.



However I do agree than an epirb is the most valuable security device.
Worldwide ....



Bjarke




"Larry" wrote in message
...
"Bjarke M. Christensen" bjarkeNG@grevestrand_punktum_danmark wrote in
:

But if 'emergency' is a concern to you, you should have the distress
function that is only availbale on marine ssb's.



Useless. The half-assed DSC/GMDSS implementation on pleasure craft
marine HF is damned near useless.

If he's going to spend money on EMERGENCY radios, he needs a 406 Mhz
EPIRB with its OWN GPS receiver built inside it, not some bogus GPS-ready
he hooks his GPS to. You don't even have to press the button, just let
it float and off she goes. They ALL pay attention to the 406 EPIRB going
off.

Hell, CG doesn't pay attention to boys screaming for help after their
stupid father/uncle rammed his sailboat into the Charleston Jetties.
There's no doubt they are in trouble. I've listened to the tape the
local radio station FORCED them to release under Freedom of Information
Act. How any CG watchstander could have just let them all drown for fear
of getting the boat crew out of their racks has never left my mind. How
soon the rest of the world forgets the "Morning Dew" incident.

The cure for this is 406 EPIRB notifying the big guns who are NOT afraid
of waking up the CG to do something and have the horsepower to do it. HF
is DOOMED. All the commercial stations that DID do most of the
listening, except for the Alaskans I'm going to get lambasted by for
saying it, are gone! Try it for yourselves! Switch to one of the CG
frequencies and CALL 'EM. I did. On the 5th frequency, I FINALLY got
ONE CG radio operator who was awake. I pointedly asked him why noone but
him was monitoring those other 4 frequencies. He didn't know.

I'm well versed in time-of-day HF propagation, the physics of HF. I've
been a ham using it since 1957. Right now, the bands are in awful shape,
the sunspot cycle near its low. 150 watts into all that rigging doesn't
make the trip very well in these conditions. You're much better off with
an Iridium phone so you can call 'em on the landline!

Larry W4CSC and other fine old calls since 1957.
--
Vista has been out a week.
Is Service Pack 1 ready yet?

"Bjarke M. Christensen" bjarkeNG@grevestrand_punktum_danmark wrote in
:

I could be just because I'm from an old sailor nation, but I think you
should do something to fix your CG problem.

Once the TV people made the story into a series of some pretty scathing
reports, the government bureaucrats couldn't just paint over the scratch.
Some definate changes were made, but that will go slack as time goes by.

The USCG thinks itself a drug enforcement agency, now, not a real service
to the marine community taxpayers. They love flack jackets and waving M-
16 automatic rifles around dressed in dark green suits like the SWAT
team. The South Carolina state bureaucrats even have dark green SWAT
boats to put their cowboys into.


However I do agree than an epirb is the most valuable security device.
Worldwide ....


Just make sure it's not a 121.5 Mhz EPIRB of old. Airliners don't
monitor that any more...no ears at sea. Here it's just used as a
localizer for the RDF on the helos to pinpoint your lifejacket floating
with or without you. The US military satellite constellation is at your
service on 406 Mhz with your MMSI. The GPS gets that fix down to 3-6
feet, which makes a real difference in awful weather.


Larry
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Vista has been out a week.
Is Service Pack 1 ready yet?

Just a point : the COSPAS-SARSAT constellation is made possible throught
international cooperation (former USSR, Canada, France and USA). The
satellites both GEO's and LEO's are : indian, European, and US weather and
communication satellites not military, it's a civilian matter. The Air
Forces uses another system call C-SAR.

Cheers,

Rémy F5LRR


e Mon, 19 Feb 2007 00:20:36 +0100, Larry a écrit

"Bjarke M. Christensen" bjarkeNG@grevestrand_punktum_danmark wrote in
:

I could be just because I'm from an old sailor nation, but I think you
should do something to fix your CG problem.

Once the TV people made the story into a series of some pretty scathing
reports, the government bureaucrats couldn't just paint over the scratch.
Some definate changes were made, but that will go slack as time goes by.

The USCG thinks itself a drug enforcement agency, now, not a real service
to the marine community taxpayers. They love flack jackets and waving M-
16 automatic rifles around dressed in dark green suits like the SWAT
team. The South Carolina state bureaucrats even have dark green SWAT
boats to put their cowboys into.


However I do agree than an epirb is the most valuable security device.
Worldwide ....


Just make sure it's not a 121.5 Mhz EPIRB of old. Airliners don't
monitor that any more...no ears at sea. Here it's just used as a
localizer for the RDF on the helos to pinpoint your lifejacket floating
with or without you. The US military satellite constellation is at your
service on 406 Mhz with your MMSI. The GPS gets that fix down to 3-6
feet, which makes a real difference in awful weather.


Larry

In article ,
Larry wrote:

All the commercial stations that DID do most of the
listening, except for the Alaskans I'm going to get lambasted by for
saying it, are gone!

Naw, Larry, I would NEVER "lambast" you for such a statment......

Bruce in alaska
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