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Hi
My son has just bought a second hand 23 ft motor cruiser which was very
basic to say the least, not even one piece of safety equipment with it,
however he has started to kit it out. I do not know anything about boats and
their equipments but my wife and I were considering buying him a VHF radio
as a Xmas present (the licence he can get himself) .I was looking at a Silva
S10 DSC priced at £129.00 UKP or $221 USD or a handheld Star M-298 £57 UKP
or $97 USD He will probably never be more than 3 miles offshore and the boat
will be used purely for leisure and maybe a bit sea angling in the west of
Scotland. The radio would be just for any unforseen emergency.

I'm not sure which to go for, a fixed or handheld. Would the fixed radio set
be rather extravagant for the purpose ?
Any advice would be much appreciated

Thanks

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On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:24:47 GMT, "killie"
wrote:


I'm not sure which to go for, a fixed or handheld. Would the fixed radio set
be rather extravagant for the purpose ?
Any advice would be much appreciated

Thanks

I'm tempted to say there's no such thing as extravagance where safety
gear is concerned. In the best of all worlds, you have both. They are
somewhat complementary.

In over 40 years on and around salt water, I'm pretty sure a handheld
would have worked for everything I've ever really needed to do. The
limited power generally isn't a problem. The downside is if something
goes wrong, you are limited to the quantity and quality of batteries
on hand. Also, anything not attached to the boat might go missing
when things start to go wrong. In my personal experience, handhelds
have not been as reliable as fixed units.

The fixed vhf will have better reach if you need to yell for help on a
noisy channel. On the other hand, a significant percentage of the
things that go wrong on a small boat result in a dead electrical
system either immediately or eventually, making the fixed vhf useless.
You will need to mount an antenna, of course. You are tied to the
radio by the mike cord, maybe not a problem on such a small boat.

Bear in mind that this is not necessarily just emergency equipment.
On the US side of the pond, vhf radios also receive weather forecasts.
They are needed to communicate with bridges and locks. You can
contact marinas to request a slip. You can ask another boat how the
fishing is where they are. You can hear the Coast Guard broadcast
that there's a shipping container floating a few inches under the
surface in your path. For these routine tasks, a handheld is
sufficient and convenient. But if I ever seriously need help, I'll
reach for the fixed unit first. I really like having both.






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killie wrote:
Hi
My son has just bought a second hand 23 ft motor cruiser which was
very basic to say the least, not even one piece of safety equipment
with it, however he has started to kit it out. I do not know anything
about boats and their equipments but my wife and I were considering
buying him a VHF radio as a Xmas present (the licence he can get
himself) .I was looking at a Silva S10 DSC priced at £129.00 UKP or
$221 USD or a handheld Star M-298 £57 UKP or $97 USD He will probably
never be more than 3 miles offshore and the boat will be used purely
for leisure and maybe a bit sea angling in the west of Scotland. The
radio would be just for any unforseen emergency.

I'm not sure which to go for, a fixed or handheld. Would the fixed
radio set be rather extravagant for the purpose ?
Any advice would be much appreciated

Thanks

4 watts or 25 watts. I know which I would go for every time.

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Captain Joe Redcloud wrote in
:

Every time? Which one works better when your boat has capsized in bad
conditions and you are in the water? Which one works better when you
are in your dinghy, headed to your boat at night, the motor dies and
you are being swept out to sea by a strong current? I can think of
many cases where I would find a handheld MUCH more useful. That's why
I have both.


Commodore Joe Redcloud


Boating on the cheap.....a disaster in the making....

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99% of boating is on the cheap.... If not, Searay, Bayliner, Regal and
the rest of the Freshwater boat brands would never sell a boat to the
coastal community and the only small boats would be whalers with twins
and the only cruisers would be Nordhaven.

Where safety is concerned though and you are out of swimming distance...
..redundancy is king... get them both.



Larry wrote:
Captain Joe Redcloud wrote in
:


Every time? Which one works better when your boat has capsized in bad
conditions and you are in the water? Which one works better when you
are in your dinghy, headed to your boat at night, the motor dies and
you are being swept out to sea by a strong current? I can think of
many cases where I would find a handheld MUCH more useful. That's why
I have both.


Commodore Joe Redcloud



Boating on the cheap.....a disaster in the making....

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In article ,
Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:

On Sat, 26 Nov 2005 10:01:50 -0500, Larry wrote:

Captain Joe Redcloud wrote in
:

Every time? Which one works better when your boat has capsized in bad
conditions and you are in the water? Which one works better when you
are in your dinghy, headed to your boat at night, the motor dies and
you are being swept out to sea by a strong current? I can think of
many cases where I would find a handheld MUCH more useful. That's why
I have both.


Commodore Joe Redcloud


Boating on the cheap.....a disaster in the making....

???

Commodore Joe Redcloud

who promoted you up the Chain of Cammand?

email addee is Captain......you your sig says Commodore....
do you actually know the difference?

Me one who does wonder about such stuff.......

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Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote in
:

Commodore Joe Redcloud


Whenever some yachtie on the dock calls me "captain", my standard response
is:

"Oh, no. You're not blaming me for what goes wrong. I'm just the 3rd
Mate!"

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Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote in
:

I think you should consult with Dr. Phil to deal with your lack of
confidence, skill, and other obvious issues.


Commodore Joe Redcloud



Do you think its any worse than these "command" visions of grandeur??...(c;

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Captain Joe Redcloud wrote:
On Fri, 25 Nov 2005 18:12:54 GMT, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote:

killie wrote:
Hi
My son has just bought a second hand 23 ft motor cruiser which was
very basic to say the least, not even one piece of safety equipment
with it, however he has started to kit it out. I do not know
anything about boats and their equipments but my wife and I were
considering buying him a VHF radio as a Xmas present (the licence
he can get himself) .I was looking at a Silva S10 DSC priced at
£129.00 UKP or $221 USD or a handheld Star M-298 £57 UKP or $97 USD
He will probably never be more than 3 miles offshore and the boat
will be used purely for leisure and maybe a bit sea angling in the
west of Scotland. The radio would be just for any unforseen
emergency.

I'm not sure which to go for, a fixed or handheld. Would the fixed
radio set be rather extravagant for the purpose ?
Any advice would be much appreciated

Thanks

4 watts or 25 watts. I know which I would go for every time.


Every time? Which one works better when your boat has capsized in bad
conditions and you are in the water? Which one works better when you
are in your dinghy, headed to your boat at night, the motor dies and
you are being swept out to sea by a strong current? I can think of
many cases where I would find a handheld MUCH more useful. That's why
I have both.


Commodore Joe Redcloud

Raising the Coastguard in mountainous Scotland on a £57 handheld Star M-298
would be a miracle, speaking from practical experience of our West Coast. I
take your point about having both, but would always go for a 25-watt fixed
installation as a priority purchase.

Dennis.

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Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote in
:

???


Commodore Joe Redcloud


The BS calling some banker "Captain" because he buys a boat....

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In this case, a wise man would pick up his 406 Mhz GPS EPIRB and push the
big red button, not his little 5W walkie talkie for calling the dingy.

That's what the EPIRB is for!



Commodore Joe Redcloud© wrote in
:

Add dismasting to possible and likely problems that would constitute
an emergency. How well does your fixed VHF work if the antenna is
mounted at the top of a mast that is now pointing horizontally from
the water's surface... even assuming the cable is intact, which is
probably isn't. Boats that go offshore usually have a second VHF
antenna on a pivoting bracket on the lifelines that can be raised
upright and connected if needed. VHF is "line of sight", so unless
your mast is taller than those mountains, it won't get you much
anyway.


Commodore Joe Redcloud¸

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Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote in
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Yes, and when the rescue craft arrives, how will you communicate?
That's where a lot of rescue missions fall apart and people die.



I'll hollar out across the 10' space between their boat and mine??

I've tried that and it works....(c;

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In article ,
Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote:

Yes, and when the rescue craft arrives, how will you communicate? That's
where a
lot of rescue missions fall apart and people die.


when was the last time you surveyed USCG SAR Rescue Equipment TOE's?
ALL USCG SAR Craft have SAR submersiable Tranceivers available to
use for just this eventuality....

Commadore ??? you sould be busted to ensign for this post.......


Me

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Me wrote in news:Me-1BBD99.12053429112005
@netnews.worldnet.att.net:

Commadore ??? you sould be busted to ensign for this post.......



He's just trollin'.....Don't bother him when he's on a roll...(c; (or a
pitch or a yaw, either!)

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Commodore Joe Redcloud wrote in
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He's just trollin'.....Don't bother him when he's on a roll...(c; (or
a pitch or a yaw, either!)

Poor Larry has been exposed so many times as a dope that he's reduced
to THIS!


Commodore Joe Redcloud


See? Just trollin'....same as always.