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Garmin GpsMap 376C Announced Today
See http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c/
GpsMap 376C (US$ 999) is US$ 250 more expensive that GpsMap276C (US$750) and offer only XM weather standard wich is usefull only in USA. Nothing about AIS. |
On 19 Jul 2005 17:18:48 -0700, "Pascal" wrote:
See http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c/ GpsMap 376C (US$ 999) is US$ 250 more expensive that GpsMap276C (US$750) and offer only XM weather standard wich is usefull only in USA. Nothing about AIS. And nothing about a decent memory card format...... |
"Pascal" wrote in
ps.com: Nothing about AIS. Pity. All chartplotters need to be AIS compatible. I've sent email to The Cap'n nav software we use. I want him to add code to it that will generate and decode AIS 9600 baud data straight off the VHF radios, without the million dollar marine interface/radio scam. We hams have used direct soundcard audio for our digital systems on VHF for years, bypassing the sell-me-another-box scams. Modern PCs are easily up to the task of direct interfaces.....fast. -- Larry |
APRS
"Larry" wrote in message ... "Pascal" wrote in ps.com: Nothing about AIS. Pity. All chartplotters need to be AIS compatible. I've sent email to The Cap'n nav software we use. I want him to add code to it that will generate and decode AIS 9600 baud data straight off the VHF radios, without the million dollar marine interface/radio scam. We hams have used direct soundcard audio for our digital systems on VHF for years, bypassing the sell-me-another-box scams. Modern PCs are easily up to the task of direct interfaces.....fast. -- Larry |
"Gus" wrote in news:GfvDe.56685$iU.44338@lakeread05:
APRS Why Bob Bruninga, APRS' inventor, hasn't sued their asses is a mystery to me. AIS is just a rebottled APRS, which doesn't clear any of them from a patent... Maybe Bob's already being paid his royalties....(c; -- Larry |
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"Pascal" wrote in
ups.com: The "ShipPlotter" software already does this,have you see it? http://www.shipplotter.com Yes, I found Ship Plotter, too. But I want the navigation software boys to use this same soundcard/radio idea with their NAV software so we can get accurate AIS plotting on the extensive charting programs we are already paying heavily to use. We already have all the charts that The Cap'n produces. The Cap'n now needs an AIS module added to it to use the tones coming into the computer from the sound card audio input to plot all these targets right on its existing extensive chart plots. What a great product it will be when it combines what Ship Plotter does on its limited plotter with the extensive database charting The Cap'n or other charting software already is capable of doing. -- Larry |
"Burnie M" wrote in message ... On 19 Jul 2005 17:18:48 -0700, "Pascal" wrote: See http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c/ GpsMap 376C (US$ 999) is US$ 250 more expensive that GpsMap276C (US$750) and offer only XM weather standard wich is usefull only in USA. Nothing about AIS. And nothing about a decent memory card format...... It still mainly targeting the marine market so its still needs to support pre-programmed marine chart datacards. |
"Non Toxic" wrote in message ... "Burnie M" wrote in message ... On 19 Jul 2005 17:18:48 -0700, "Pascal" wrote: See http://www.garmin.com/products/gpsmap376c/ GpsMap 376C (US$ 999) is US$ 250 more expensive that GpsMap276C (US$750) and offer only XM weather standard wich is usefull only in USA. Nothing about AIS. And nothing about a decent memory card format...... It still mainly targeting the marine market so its still needs to support pre-programmed marine chart datacards. duh -- and it would be so damned hard to have slots for both card types? Like a $20 card reader maybe? Couldn't possibly have anything to do with wanting to keep that expensive card business in house, could it? |
One very interesting thing is that the WXM smart satelite antena is
pluged in the USB port of Map376C; pheraps, if/when Garmin unveils its proprietary AIS receiver, it can be pluged too, to the USB port of Map376C and, hopefully in the GpsMap 276C, as to me, appears that the hwardware of these 2 units are identical... |
On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:49:39 +1000, "Non Toxic"
And nothing about a decent memory card format...... It still mainly targeting the marine market so its still needs to support pre-programmed marine chart datacards. My point is that it is not either targeting (Garmins marketing) or being used as primarlily a marine unit. This was also the case with the 276C. It is frustrating that this format 'issue' could be eaisly and cheaply fixed and if Garmin was concerned about backward compatibility it is easy and cheap to have both Garmin format and SD format card slots. But then we had to batter Garmin over the head for several years to get USB so I do not know why I expected anything else. |
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 21:02:13 -0400, Larry wrote:
"Pascal" wrote in oups.com: The "ShipPlotter" software already does this,have you see it? http://www.shipplotter.com Yes, I found Ship Plotter, too. But I want the navigation software boys to use this same soundcard/radio idea with their NAV software so we can get accurate AIS plotting on the extensive charting programs we are already paying heavily to use. We already have all the charts that The Cap'n produces. The Cap'n now needs an AIS module added to it to use the tones coming into the computer from the sound card audio input to plot all these targets right on its existing extensive chart plots. What a great product it will be when it combines what Ship Plotter does on its limited plotter with the extensive database charting The Cap'n or other charting software already is capable of doing. According to a pamphlet on my desk at home, CAPN 8 supports AIS, but it doesn't say how. I found no mention of it online. Anyway, CAPN took themselves off my list with their S-57 ENC "support". According to this pamphlet, they're recoding S-57s (in their SoftChart product line) into a proprietary format. No mention of supporting the real thing. They brag that they are the first vendor to support the new format. Not surprising since it's their format. The language is confusing, but careful examination of the language seems to say that when they are talking about ENC "compatibility without cumbersome downloading" they are talking about this proprietary format. Not the solution I was looking for. However, they do have an add-on module that supports Admiralty charts. It's extra charge, but that's OK. It's a low demand feature, they probably make nothing on the charts, they probably have to pay to use the proprietary Admiralty ARCS format, and I believe the price is $75, which seems not entirely extortionate. Glen __________________________________________________ __________ Glen "Wiley" Wilson usenet1 SPAMNIX at world wide wiley dot com To reply, lose the capitals and do the obvious. Take a look at cpRepeater, my NMEA data integrator, repeater, and logger at http://www.worldwidewiley.com/ |
Pascal,
why do you keep speaking of Garmin proprietary AIS? Do you have any evidence? Garmin is not a specialist manufacturer of communications equippement.... and anyway, all AIS receivers use the same output format and protocoll (NMEA VDM). So if you are interested in one, go and buy it, they are out there starting at 200,- bucks.... And if Garmin doesn't realise the importance of AIS-support for their plotters, they'll soon loose significant market share anyway... Holger Quote:
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"Glen \"Wiley\" Wilson" wrote in
: ccording to a pamphlet on my desk at home, CAPN 8 supports AIS Thanks, Glen. I'll go check that out. Any nav program that can accept the NMEA 0183 statement from the packaged receiver (or transponder) can display the data. -- Larry |
"Burnie M" wrote in message ... On Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:49:39 +1000, "Non Toxic" And nothing about a decent memory card format...... It still mainly targeting the marine market so its still needs to support pre-programmed marine chart datacards. My point is that it is not either targeting (Garmins marketing) or being used as primarlily a marine unit. This was also the case with the 276C. It is frustrating that this format 'issue' could be eaisly and cheaply fixed and if Garmin was concerned about backward compatibility it is easy and cheap to have both Garmin format and SD format card slots. But then we had to batter Garmin over the head for several years to get USB so I do not know why I expected anything else. Get over it Burnie. Its not a 'fault' that needs to be 'fixed'. Its designed that way for a purpose. In fact the 376C adds extra MARINE features to the 276C model. In addition, both units are only listed on Garmin's website as Marine Chart Plotters and neither are anywhere to be seen on the Mobile Electronics page. The Garmin format card is an integral part of the Marine Bluechart distribution and it maintains compatibility with all of Garmins Marine Chart Plotters. Most mariners just want a card they can purchase and plug in. Just because YOU purchased one for vehicle use, doesn't mean everyone is primarily using it that way or that your application is the preferred one. The in-car navigation feature is additional to the primary Marine applications it was designed for. Since you bought a marine chart plotter primarily for vehicle use only then you have to accept it will probably have some limitations in that area. NT === |
In article ,
Non Toxic wrote: ... complaints about the non standard datacards ... Get over it Burnie. Its not a 'fault' that needs to be 'fixed'. Its designed that way for a purpose. Owning two Garmin units with the non standard datacards, I agree with the other complainers that this is a 'fault' that needs to be 'fixed'. The only purpose for hangin on to them seems commercial, i.e. in Garmins interest and not something beneficial to the customers. I doubt it is a wise decision for Garmin on the long run. I, for one, will certainly not buy another unit with non-standard cards, even though I have allready spend a shipload of money on both Garmin's and C-map mapping software. In fact the 376C adds extra MARINE features to the 276C model. In addition, both units are only listed on Garmin's website as Marine Chart Plotters and neither are anywhere to be seen on the Mobile Electronics page. The Garmin format card is an integral part of the Marine Bluechart distribution and it maintains compatibility with all of Garmins Marine Chart Plotters. Most mariners just want a card they can purchase and plug in. This is definately NOT true. Most mariners do not WANT to "just buy A card to plugin": they HAD to do this because RayMarine, Garmin, and other manufacturers only provided the map-data on such cards. Slowly this is changing now, also for Garmin's BlueChart: if you look f.i. at the availability of BlueChart for UK/NL/BE, you will see that the availability of BlueChart on pre-programmed cards is only a subset of what is available on CD-rom. This is true for a number of years already, and as serious mariners update their maps regularly, the "compatibility with old pre-programmed cards"-argument is just not valid anymore. Certainly not for new equipment, one which one usually wishes to use up-to-date mapping data instead of using years out-dated data on old pre-programmed cards. Another reason to go away of mapping software on pre-programmed cards is the increasing availability of update-programs for mapping data by Garmin's competition. Especially in regions where the seabottom is not stable (f.i. the Wadden in NL) up-to-date maps are essential for save navigation. Regards, -- ted |
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 11:48:37 +1000, "Non Toxic"
wrote: But then we had to batter Garmin over the head for several years to get USB so I do not know why I expected anything else. Get over it Burnie. Its not a 'fault' that needs to be 'fixed'. Its designed that way for a purpose. NT I am a customer. This is feedback. Respond or do not respond as you wish. If I am selecting the wrong unit then please point me to the right one. I require; Auto-routing for onroad use Manual routing, trackback and UTM grid for offroad use A reasonable sized screen. Waterproof for occasional motorcycle use and Standard (SD or CF) format memory card Which unit do you recommend ? |
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:42:02 +1000, Burnie M
wrote: If I am selecting the wrong unit then please point me to the right one. I require; Auto-routing for onroad use Manual routing, trackback and UTM grid for offroad use A reasonable sized screen. Waterproof for occasional motorcycle use and Standard (SD or CF) format memory card Which unit do you recommend ? Streetpilot 2610. |
On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:42:02 +1000, Burnie M
wrote: If I am selecting the wrong unit then please point me to the right one. I require; Auto-routing for onroad use Manual routing, trackback and UTM grid for offroad use A reasonable sized screen. Waterproof for occasional motorcycle use and Standard (SD or CF) format memory card Which unit do you recommend ? On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:08:15 +0200, "Robert Elsinga =8-)" t wrote: Streetpilot 2610. SP2610 does not have UTM or trackback next ? |
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:24:44 +1000, Burnie M
wrote: Streetpilot 2610. SP2610 does not have UTM or trackback Oops... didn't see that... next ? Drop some requirements...? The combination trackback+CF+autorouting is killing... The Quest can do UTm, trackback and autorouting, but has no memory cards. The 276C can do it all but has Garmin cards. Magellan probably has receivers that do everything, but autorouting (in a decent way, since their routable maps seem to s*ck). |
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 07:09:52 +0200, "Robert Elsinga =8-)"
t wrote: On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 11:24:44 +1000, Burnie M wrote: Streetpilot 2610. SP2610 does not have UTM or trackback Oops... didn't see that... next ? Drop some requirements...? The combination trackback+CF+autorouting is killing... The Quest can do UTm, trackback and autorouting, but has no memory cards. The 276C can do it all but has Garmin cards. Magellan probably has receivers that do everything, but autorouting (in a decent way, since their routable maps seem to s*ck). This is my point I have a GPSmap 276C I want autorouting plus technical navigation features plus standard memory - all reasonable Garmin can give lots of options for the first and the last requirements but all in a dumbed down package |
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:09:38 +1000, Burnie M
wrote: Drop some requirements...? The combination trackback+CF+autorouting is killing... The Quest can do UTm, trackback and autorouting, but has no memory cards. The 276C can do it all but has Garmin cards. Magellan probably has receivers that do everything, but autorouting (in a decent way, since their routable maps seem to s*ck). This is my point I have a GPSmap 276C I want autorouting plus technical navigation features plus standard memory - all reasonable Garmin can give lots of options for the first and the last requirements but all in a dumbed down package All marine models have the Garmin datacards... because that way they don;t have to produce CF cards with maps unlocked to one specific GPS. Pro: you can swap Bluechart maps between mulitple units. Contra: it's more expensive. You have one of the best Garmin receivers on the market right now, but it has one drawback: the Garmin datacards. Not only are they more expensive, they are also limited in size to (now) 512MB. |
On Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:32:48 +0200, "Robert Elsinga =8-)"
t wrote: Not only are they more expensive, they are also limited in size to (now) 512MB. Who has 512 Mb Garmin cards ? |
On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:44:05 +1000, Burnie M
wrote: Not only are they more expensive, they are also limited in size to (now) 512MB. Who has 512 Mb Garmin cards ? Garmin has announced them some time aga, AFAIK. Since I don't need them (I own a Quest hich has no problem with memorycards, because it has fixed memory) I don't know if they are available yet. My favorit GPS shop (www.gps.nl) only has cards up to 256MB at this moment. |
Garmin introduced 256mb cards sometime ago not 512mb. Robert Elsinga =8-) wrote: On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 10:44:05 +1000, Burnie M wrote: Not only are they more expensive, they are also limited in size to (now) 512MB. Who has 512 Mb Garmin cards ? Garmin has announced them some time aga, AFAIK. Since I don't need them (I own a Quest hich has no problem with memorycards, because it has fixed memory) I don't know if they are available yet. My favorit GPS shop (www.gps.nl) only has cards up to 256MB at this moment. |
Burnie M wrote:
This is my point I have a GPSmap 276C I want autorouting plus technical navigation features plus standard memory - all reasonable Garmin can give lots of options for the first and the last requirements but all in a dumbed down package Reasonable is fine, but if the product doesn't exist, reasonable doesn't matter. I detest the stupid proprietary Garmin cards, but if that was the only thing holding me back from an otherwise perfect-for-me product, I'd get over it, bite the bullet, and go for the product with the right *functionality* that I need. -- Albert Nurick | Nurick + Associates - Web Design | eCommerce - Content Management www.nurick.com | Web Applications - Hosting |
On 24 Jul 2005 06:46:30 -0700, "Jerry M" wrote:
Garmin introduced 256mb cards sometime ago not 512mb. Hmmm...... sorry... =8-} |
"Albert Nurick" wrote in message ... Burnie M wrote: This is my point I have a GPSmap 276C I want autorouting plus technical navigation features plus standard memory - all reasonable Garmin can give lots of options for the first and the last requirements but all in a dumbed down package Reasonable is fine, but if the product doesn't exist, reasonable doesn't matter. I detest the stupid proprietary Garmin cards, but if that was the only thing holding me back from an otherwise perfect-for-me product, I'd get over it, bite the bullet, and go for the product with the right *functionality* that I need. -- Albert Nurick | Nurick + Associates - Web Design | eCommerce - Content Management www.nurick.com | Web Applications - Hosting Unless routing within a 256Mb max database just doesn't meet your needs. [Imo, a bad choice on Garmin's part to not include two card slots -- unless they don't care about lost sales.] |
"Ted Lindgreen" wrote in message ... In article , Owning two Garmin units with the non standard datacards, I agree with the other complainers that this is a 'fault' that needs to be 'fixed'. The only purpose for hangin on to them seems commercial, i.e. in Garmins interest and not something beneficial to the customers. It helps to maintain the security of pre-programmed marine data without requiring individual unit locking. This in turn makes it easier for the mariner. This is definately NOT true. Most mariners do not WANT to "just buy A card to plugin": they HAD to do this because RayMarine, Garmin, and other manufacturers only provided the map-data on such cards. I work in the industry and I can assure you pre-programed Bluechart datacards outsell Bluechart CDROMs by many, many fold. For most mariners, pre-programmed cards are still much easier than unlocking and uploading a CDROM. There are still heaps of people out there who are confused by the simplist of PC applications. . . . . . . . . as serious mariners update their maps regularly, the "compatibility with old pre-programmed cards"-argument is just not valid anymore. Certainly not for new equipment, one which one usually wishes to use up-to-date mapping data instead of using years out-dated data on old pre-programmed cards. What rubbish!! All pre-programmed datacards have the same release of mapping as the CDROM version. If you have bought a new datacard with old mapping on it, take it back and get it replaced with the current version. If new map data is released in the future, simply return your card, pay a small update fee and take home the latest version. Theres no reason to ever have to use an old chart anymore than you have to use an old CDROM. Regards, -- ted |
Hi Holger,
Of course,I would prefer that Garmin put the std NMEA AIS receiver support just now in all marine ploters , so that I can connect my GpsMap 276C with a cheap $200 AIS receiver. But the delay appear to be due that they probabily will make his own AIS Class B transponder to make money with it. I want AIS on my chartploter, not on a PC/Laptop, that is my problem. If not, I would already have AIS using the NASA receiver and the free SeaClear software. Regards Pascal |
"SamSez" wrote in message news:cuEDe.6619$Im3.5038@trndny07... duh -- and it would be so damned hard to have slots for both card types? Like a $20 card reader maybe? Couldn't possibly have anything to do with wanting to keep that expensive card business in house, could it? Not sure what the big deal is. I bought a 256MB card, loaded all the City Select maps for Washington, Oregon, California, Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and some Western portions of South Dakota, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Texas all on one card, including all metro areas, all auto-routing data and all POI's. I just leave that little proprietary card lodged into the unit as if it were internal memory and have never wished for more. I have the 128MB card that I keep in case I need more but... Maybe if I was a salesman on the East Coast and my territory was the entire East Coast I would wish for more memory but a salesman doesn't need a GPS as sophisticated as the 276C/376C. For your average user lack of memory just isn't going to be an issue. When was the last time you went on a trip and brought an atlas for each of the 50 states? And don't tell me about your Rand McNally 50 in 1 Road Atlas, LOL! It doesn't have even 10% of the roads that are on City Select NA. While there are a few people with legitimate uses for more than 256MB map data, most people who whine about it never stray far enough from home to need more. |
"Spanky" wrote in message ... "SamSez" wrote in message news:cuEDe.6619$Im3.5038@trndny07... duh -- and it would be so damned hard to have slots for both card types? Like a $20 card reader maybe? Couldn't possibly have anything to do with wanting to keep that expensive card business in house, could it? Not sure what the big deal is. I bought a 256MB card, loaded all the City Select maps for Washington, Oregon, California, Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and some Western portions of South Dakota, Oklahoma, Nebraska and Texas all on one card, including all metro areas, all auto-routing data and all POI's. I just leave that little proprietary card lodged into the unit as if it were internal memory and have never wished for more. I have the 128MB card that I keep in case I need more but... Maybe if I was a salesman on the East Coast and my territory was the entire East Coast I would wish for more memory but a salesman doesn't need a GPS as sophisticated as the 276C/376C. For your average user lack of memory just isn't going to be an issue. When was the last time you went on a trip and brought an atlas for each of the 50 states? And don't tell me about your Rand McNally 50 in 1 Road Atlas, LOL! It doesn't have even 10% of the roads that are on City Select NA. While there are a few people with legitimate uses for more than 256MB map data, most people who whine about it never stray far enough from home to need more. The big deal is that I don't know when I'll be handed a ticket and told to be in a city nowhere near my 'base area'. So I use a loaded 2610, but miss many of the customizations and larger track memory available on other units. Again, the cost of putting BOTH card sockets in a box that big would have harmed nothing but Garmin's pocket [and not for the cost of the socket either], and would have helped at least this potential user [and surely others]. All arguments [yours included] as to why it is simply fine with only a single proprietary slot ignore the one and only reason why another socket was not included -- so I don't want to hear any more. |
The big deal is that I don't know when I'll be handed a ticket and told to
be in a city nowhere near my 'base area'. You'd only need to leave a little space on a 256MB card, then load that city before departing. Yes that's another step, but it's trivially easy. BTW after flying to a distant city, how do you power the 2610 in a rental car? Cigarette lighter? So I use a loaded 2610, but miss many of the customizations and larger track memory available on other units. Another option might be the new Quest 2. It has the 10,000 point user configurable track log, plus the entire US is preloaded -- no need to download detailed maps from a CD as they're built in. The Quest 2 is also physically smaller than the 2610, plus battery powered, so it's easy to carry and use in a rental car. |
"Joe D." wrote in message ... The big deal is that I don't know when I'll be handed a ticket and told to be in a city nowhere near my 'base area'. You'd only need to leave a little space on a 256MB card, then load that city before departing. Yes that's another step, but it's trivially easy. BTW after flying to a distant city, how do you power the 2610 in a rental car? Cigarette lighter? Yes -- but with a laptop and the test equipment I drag around, it's just another cable [with a baseball hanging on the end of it]. So I use a loaded 2610, but miss many of the customizations and larger track memory available on other units. Another option might be the new Quest 2. It has the 10,000 point user configurable track log, plus the entire US is preloaded -- no need to download detailed maps from a CD as they're built in. The Quest 2 is also physically smaller than the 2610, plus battery powered, so it's easy to carry and use in a rental car. As I understand, other than form-factor and self-contained power, I don't think the quest would give me the other features/customizations that I find lacking in the 2610 -- screen preferences, track-back, track memory control, etc. |
"SamSez" wrote in message
news:jTJHe.27719$W%5.22391@trnddc05... "Joe D." wrote in message Another option might be the new Quest 2. It has the 10,000 point user configurable track log, plus the entire US is preloaded -- no need to download detailed maps from a CD as they're built in. The Quest 2 is also physically smaller than the 2610, plus battery powered, so it's easy to carry and use in a rental car. As I understand, other than form-factor and self-contained power, I don't think the quest would give me the other features/customizations that I find lacking in the 2610 -- screen preferences, track-back, track memory control, etc. No, the Quest and new Quest 2 have all those features: - user-customizable data fields - 10,000 point configurable track log memory - TracBack And the Quest 2 comes with the entire US AND Canada preloaded in its 1.8GB solid state internal memory, with about 140MB left over for user maps (topo, etc). It seems the Quest 2 has everything you want, if you don't mind the smaller screen, and don't mind buttons vs a touch screen. The user manual is available on Garmin's web page: http://www.garmin.com/manuals/Quest_OwnersManual.pdf http://www.garmin.com/products/quest2/ |
"Joe D." wrote in message ... No, the Quest and new Quest 2 have all those features: - user-customizable data fields - 10,000 point configurable track log memory - TracBack And the Quest 2 comes with the entire US AND Canada preloaded in its 1.8GB solid state internal memory, with about 140MB left over for user maps (topo, etc). It seems the Quest 2 has everything you want, if you don't mind the smaller screen, and don't mind buttons vs a touch screen. The user manual is available on Garmin's web page: http://www.garmin.com/manuals/Quest_OwnersManual.pdf http://www.garmin.com/products/quest2/ Yes, looking at the manual, it does have more features than the 2610 rather than just being a non-touch sized down version [still not quite as programmable about what data fields are displayed where which is something I wanted ever since the III+], but I'm not sure my eyes are up to the display... Sadly, I have been going to larger displays over the years rather than smaller. |
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