Boat won't start - need help
 

I have an old 1976-1977 Ford 460 7.5 Liter V8 engine that I'm having
problems with. It is installed in an old 1977 jet boat (engine
attached to a Berkeley J12E Jet drive.. I was out on the lake
having a good time cruising around, pulled into a cove and shut down
the engine to swim and when I went to
start it back up it wouldn't. The engine wouldn't turn over. It was
acting like the battery wasn't charging up via the alternator. We
towed the boat to shore and trailered it home. I tested the battery
with a voltmeter and it tested at 12volts and took it to a local auto
parts store for a test and it came out fully charged with about 850
amps. I put the batter back in the boat and tried to start it up, but
it still wouldn't even crank over. I pulled the starter motor out and
had it rebuilt and put a new solenoid in as well. I've checked all
the wiring, put on new battery cables and even a new starter switch
all with the same results. It's like I'm not getting enough juice to
the starter motor, it only cranks over between 1 - 5 degrees -
certainly not enough to get it to crank over.

Anyone experienced this before and could give me a few clues.

Thank you,
Layne Meier
Atlanta, GA

On 9 Sep 2004 05:28:48 -0700, (Layne Meier)
wrote:
It's like I'm not getting enough juice to
the starter motor, it only cranks over between 1 - 5 degrees -
certainly not enough to get it to crank over.

Anyone experienced this before and could give me a few clues.

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Have you checked for water in the cylinders? Pull the spark plugs and
try to turn it over. If that's the problem you need to get it
serviced right away before it totally rusts up.

can you turn over hte motor by hand?


On 9 Sep 2004 05:28:48 -0700, (Layne Meier) wrote:

I have an old 1976-1977 Ford 460 7.5 Liter V8 engine that I'm having
problems with. It is installed in an old 1977 jet boat (engine
attached to a Berkeley J12E Jet drive.. I was out on the lake
having a good time cruising around, pulled into a cove and shut down
the engine to swim and when I went to
start it back up it wouldn't. The engine wouldn't turn over. It was
acting like the battery wasn't charging up via the alternator. We
towed the boat to shore and trailered it home. I tested the battery
with a voltmeter and it tested at 12volts and took it to a local auto
parts store for a test and it came out fully charged with about 850
amps. I put the batter back in the boat and tried to start it up, but
it still wouldn't even crank over. I pulled the starter motor out and
had it rebuilt and put a new solenoid in as well. I've checked all
the wiring, put on new battery cables and even a new starter switch
all with the same results. It's like I'm not getting enough juice to
the starter motor, it only cranks over between 1 - 5 degrees -
certainly not enough to get it to crank over.

Anyone experienced this before and could give me a few clues.

Thank you,
Layne Meier
Atlanta, GA


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Wayne.B wrote in message . ..
On 9 Sep 2004 05:28:48 -0700, (Layne Meier)
wrote:
It's like I'm not getting enough juice to
the starter motor, it only cranks over between 1 - 5 degrees -
certainly not enough to get it to crank over.

Anyone experienced this before and could give me a few clues.

====================================

Have you checked for water in the cylinders? Pull the spark plugs and
try to turn it over. If that's the problem you need to get it
serviced right away before it totally rusts up.

I pulled all of the spark plugs out and the starter motor was able to
spin. Once I added the spark plugs back in with compression, it was
back to being unable to crank.

Layne

with plugs in -- does it "start" to crank or does it very very slowly turn over?
If the later, did you run out of oil?

On 9 Sep 2004 12:30:35 -0700, (Layne Meier) wrote:

Wayne.B wrote in message . ..
On 9 Sep 2004 05:28:48 -0700, (Layne Meier)
wrote:
It's like I'm not getting enough juice to
the starter motor, it only cranks over between 1 - 5 degrees -
certainly not enough to get it to crank over.

Anyone experienced this before and could give me a few clues.

====================================

Have you checked for water in the cylinders? Pull the spark plugs and
try to turn it over. If that's the problem you need to get it
serviced right away before it totally rusts up.

I pulled all of the spark plugs out and the starter motor was able to
spin. Once I added the spark plugs back in with compression, it was
back to being unable to crank.

Layne


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Can I suggest that you install the battery into a car/truck and see if it
turns over that engine. It could be a faulty cell in the battery.

Do the battery cables get warm when you try to crank the engine?

If the engine was working well before you stopped it I would not think it
was water in the engine.

Dave



"Wayne.B" wrote in message
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On 9 Sep 2004 05:28:48 -0700, (Layne Meier)
wrote:
It's like I'm not getting enough juice to
the starter motor, it only cranks over between 1 - 5 degrees -
certainly not enough to get it to crank over.

Anyone experienced this before and could give me a few clues.

====================================

Have you checked for water in the cylinders? Pull the spark plugs and
try to turn it over. If that's the problem you need to get it
serviced right away before it totally rusts up.

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:54:42 +0000 (UTC), "Dave" dave.samuel
wrote:

If the engine was working well before you stopped it I would not think it
was water in the engine.

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I can tell you from experience that is not necessarily so. If you
have water leakage in the wet exhaust system (manifolds, risers,
elbows, etc.) or cylinder head area, combustion pressure will
frequently keep the water out until you shut down.

Kill switch, maybe?

On 9 Sep 2004 05:28:48 -0700, (Layne Meier)
wrote:

I have an old 1976-1977 Ford 460 7.5 Liter V8 engine that I'm having
problems with. It is installed in an old 1977 jet boat (engine
attached to a Berkeley J12E Jet drive.. I was out on the lake
having a good time cruising around, pulled into a cove and shut down
the engine to swim and when I went to
start it back up it wouldn't. The engine wouldn't turn over. It was
acting like the battery wasn't charging up via the alternator. We
towed the boat to shore and trailered it home. I tested the battery
with a voltmeter and it tested at 12volts and took it to a local auto
parts store for a test and it came out fully charged with about 850
amps. I put the batter back in the boat and tried to start it up, but
it still wouldn't even crank over. I pulled the starter motor out and
had it rebuilt and put a new solenoid in as well. I've checked all
the wiring, put on new battery cables and even a new starter switch
all with the same results. It's like I'm not getting enough juice to
the starter motor, it only cranks over between 1 - 5 degrees -
certainly not enough to get it to crank over.

Anyone experienced this before and could give me a few clues.

Thank you,
Layne Meier
Atlanta, GA

sounds like ignition timing is squew wiff,pre ignition will stop the
cylinders stone dead,..take the ht leads of and see if it turns over,if it
dose,which i think it might,its time to look at the distributor......KB.
LET US KNOW THE OUTCOME, TY
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Kill switch, maybe?

On 9 Sep 2004 05:28:48 -0700, (Layne Meier)
wrote:

I have an old 1976-1977 Ford 460 7.5 Liter V8 engine that I'm having
problems with. It is installed in an old 1977 jet boat (engine
attached to a Berkeley J12E Jet drive.. I was out on the lake
having a good time cruising around, pulled into a cove and shut down
the engine to swim and when I went to
start it back up it wouldn't. The engine wouldn't turn over. It was
acting like the battery wasn't charging up via the alternator. We
towed the boat to shore and trailered it home. I tested the battery
with a voltmeter and it tested at 12volts and took it to a local auto
parts store for a test and it came out fully charged with about 850
amps. I put the batter back in the boat and tried to start it up, but
it still wouldn't even crank over. I pulled the starter motor out and
had it rebuilt and put a new solenoid in as well. I've checked all
the wiring, put on new battery cables and even a new starter switch
all with the same results. It's like I'm not getting enough juice to
the starter motor, it only cranks over between 1 - 5 degrees -
certainly not enough to get it to crank over.

Anyone experienced this before and could give me a few clues.

Thank you,
Layne Meier
Atlanta, GA

I don't think so..

It'd stop it.. but not dead.

I've had timing 180 degrees off; and it'd turn it over quick at first, then stop
it; then it'd turn again.

He's getting very little turn and then STOP.

Fuel has to be delivered in order for timing to be an issue; and the 1st second;
no fuel is present....

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:20:18 GMT, "k.barrett" wrote:

sounds like ignition timing is squew wiff,pre ignition will stop the
cylinders stone dead,..take the ht leads of and see if it turns over,if it
dose,which i think it might,its time to look at the distributor......KB.
LET US KNOW THE OUTCOME, TY
wrote in message ...
Kill switch, maybe?

On 9 Sep 2004 05:28:48 -0700, (Layne Meier)
wrote:

I have an old 1976-1977 Ford 460 7.5 Liter V8 engine that I'm having
problems with. It is installed in an old 1977 jet boat (engine
attached to a Berkeley J12E Jet drive.. I was out on the lake
having a good time cruising around, pulled into a cove and shut down
the engine to swim and when I went to
start it back up it wouldn't. The engine wouldn't turn over. It was
acting like the battery wasn't charging up via the alternator. We
towed the boat to shore and trailered it home. I tested the battery
with a voltmeter and it tested at 12volts and took it to a local auto
parts store for a test and it came out fully charged with about 850
amps. I put the batter back in the boat and tried to start it up, but
it still wouldn't even crank over. I pulled the starter motor out and
had it rebuilt and put a new solenoid in as well. I've checked all
the wiring, put on new battery cables and even a new starter switch
all with the same results. It's like I'm not getting enough juice to
the starter motor, it only cranks over between 1 - 5 degrees -
certainly not enough to get it to crank over.

Anyone experienced this before and could give me a few clues.

Thank you,
Layne Meier
Atlanta, GA




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