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In article . net,
Rick wrote:

The law only limits the power measured to the antenna, so unless the
silly amp is used no laws will be broken. This is a voluntary ship
station, it isn't CB so it is not illegal equipment to own or have
installed. It's only illegal to use other than in an emergency.

Bzzzt, Wrong Answer, would you like to try again, or take what's behind
Door Number 2???

All Part 80 Radio Equipemnt MUST be Type Accepted, by the FCC for use
under any Part 80 License. As part of the Type Acceptance Process
the OEM must show Power Output as well as other aspects of the Technical
Specifacations for the Equipment. Any change in Power Output by
addition of an external amplifier would VOID the Type Acceptance
for the equipment, because they were not Type Accepted as a Total
System. Having a NON Type Accepted system installed and connected
to an antenna, and Power is not within the rules of Part 80, and
therefor Actionable by an FCC Field Agent, if he so chooses to
do so when he finds the equipment.


The real issue is what kind of idiot thinks transmitting in the blind
on VHF is better than an EPIRB to begin with. Nothing quite like
saturating the ether with panic stricken calls from some idiot who
can't hear a reply anyway. Would be better off letting the EPIRB do its
thing and use the time to deal with the emergency.

You are EXACTLY correct on the above observation. Under GMDSS, the
First Notification of an Emergency should be by EPIRB, and then by
MF, HF, or VHF depending on which Sea Area the vessel is located in.
Unfortunatly our government is so far behind in deployment of GMDSS by
the USCG, that screaming on Ch16, and or 4125.0 Khz is still the best
way to get local attention.

Bruce in alaska
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Not to change the subject but I thought in Alaska 4125.0 was for water
but only had good coverage during "normal" business hours. The rest of
the time, the general interior Alaskan emergency freq. (5167.5) is a
better bet. It's been a while since I've been up there but does that
still hold true?

Mike

Bruce in Alaska wrote:

In article . net,
Rick wrote:

The law only limits the power measured to the antenna, so unless the
silly amp is used no laws will be broken. This is a voluntary ship
station, it isn't CB so it is not illegal equipment to own or have
installed. It's only illegal to use other than in an emergency.

Bzzzt, Wrong Answer, would you like to try again, or take what's behind
Door Number 2???

All Part 80 Radio Equipemnt MUST be Type Accepted, by the FCC for use
under any Part 80 License. As part of the Type Acceptance Process
the OEM must show Power Output as well as other aspects of the Technical
Specifacations for the Equipment. Any change in Power Output by
addition of an external amplifier would VOID the Type Acceptance
for the equipment, because they were not Type Accepted as a Total
System. Having a NON Type Accepted system installed and connected
to an antenna, and Power is not within the rules of Part 80, and
therefor Actionable by an FCC Field Agent, if he so chooses to
do so when he finds the equipment.

The real issue is what kind of idiot thinks transmitting in the blind
on VHF is better than an EPIRB to begin with. Nothing quite like
saturating the ether with panic stricken calls from some idiot who
can't hear a reply anyway. Would be better off letting the EPIRB do its
thing and use the time to deal with the emergency.

You are EXACTLY correct on the above observation. Under GMDSS, the
First Notification of an Emergency should be by EPIRB, and then by
MF, HF, or VHF depending on which Sea Area the vessel is located in.
Unfortunatly our government is so far behind in deployment of GMDSS by
the USCG, that screaming on Ch16, and or 4125.0 Khz is still the best
way to get local attention.

Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

SSB Radio
 

Bruce in Alaska wrote:

All Part 80 Radio Equipemnt MUST be Type Accepted, by the FCC for use
under any Part 80 License. As part of the Type Acceptance Process
the OEM must show Power Output as well as other aspects of the Technical
Specifacations for the Equipment. Any change in Power Output by
addition of an external amplifier would VOID the Type Acceptance
for the equipment, because they were not Type Accepted as a Total
System. ... and therefor Actionable by an FCC Field Agent, if he so
chooses to do so when he finds the equipment.

Interesting, but does all the voluntary station equipment have to meet
Part 80 requirements?

Icom used to make a "power booster" a little 1W in 25W out VHF amplifier
for their ML25 handheld and if I recall correctly it was only Part 15
qualified. It was sold by all the best yachtie stores.


Having a NON Type Accepted system installed and connected
to an antenna, and Power is not within the rules of Part 80,

If it isn't powered up and delivering more than 50 watts to the antenna
then it is just another part of the feedline and, like coax, isn't
certified in any event.

Could be wrong but since I am not going to waste time or money playing
such stupid games it is academic ... 8-)

Rick

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In article et,
Rick wrote:

Bruce in Alaska wrote:

All Part 80 Radio Equipemnt MUST be Type Accepted, by the FCC for use
under any Part 80 License. As part of the Type Acceptance Process
the OEM must show Power Output as well as other aspects of the Technical
Specifacations for the Equipment. Any change in Power Output by
addition of an external amplifier would VOID the Type Acceptance
for the equipment, because they were not Type Accepted as a Total
System. ... and therefor Actionable by an FCC Field Agent, if he so
chooses to do so when he finds the equipment.

Interesting, but does all the voluntary station equipment have to meet
Part 80 requirements?

Icom used to make a "power booster" a little 1W in 25W out VHF amplifier
for their ML25 handheld and if I recall correctly it was only Part 15
qualified. It was sold by all the best yachtie stores.


Having a NON Type Accepted system installed and connected
to an antenna, and Power is not within the rules of Part 80,

If it isn't powered up and delivering more than 50 watts to the antenna
then it is just another part of the feedline and, like coax, isn't
certified in any event.

Could be wrong but since I am not going to waste time or money playing
such stupid games it is academic ... 8-)

Rick


Any installed Equipment on a US Flagged vessel, that transmits on Part
80 Frequencies, MUST be Type Accepted. Voluntary Equipped Vessels are
still Licensed by the FCC. They are just covered under a "Blanket
License" that applies to all Noncommercial Vessels that DONOT leave
US Territorial Waters. CB Radios, FRS Radios, and a few others are also
covered by similat "Blanket Licenses". These "Blanket Licenses" also
REQUIRE Type Accepted Equipment.

The Part 80 50 Watt limit is not for Vessels but for Maritime Mobile
Public and Private Coast Stations, and is a specifc exemption from the
Power Limitations Rules, where the Power is allowed to be measured at
the Antenna Feedpoint rather than at the output of the Transmitting
Equipemnt. This allows for a coast Station not to count the feedline
loss into the Maximum Power Output calculation. No other Radio Service
that I am aware of has this type of Rule.

The Icom Power booster WAS Type Accepted as a SYSTEM with most of the
Marine Icom Handhelds that were being sold at the time it was sold.
Check the FCC Type Acceptance Publication and see for your self.

If the amp is in the feedline and connected to Power, it is concidered
to be OPERATIONL, if it is turned on or not, and not just part of the
feedline.

Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

SSB Radio
 

In article ,
Stilz wrote:

Not to change the subject but I thought in Alaska 4125.0 was for water
but only had good coverage during "normal" business hours. The rest of
the time, the general interior Alaskan emergency freq. (5167.5) is a
better bet. It's been a while since I've been up there but does that
still hold true?

Mike

Bruce in Alaska wrote:

In article . net,
Rick wrote:

The law only limits the power measured to the antenna, so unless the
silly amp is used no laws will be broken. This is a voluntary ship
station, it isn't CB so it is not illegal equipment to own or have
installed. It's only illegal to use other than in an emergency.

Bzzzt, Wrong Answer, would you like to try again, or take what's behind
Door Number 2???

All Part 80 Radio Equipemnt MUST be Type Accepted, by the FCC for use
under any Part 80 License. As part of the Type Acceptance Process
the OEM must show Power Output as well as other aspects of the Technical
Specifacations for the Equipment. Any change in Power Output by
addition of an external amplifier would VOID the Type Acceptance
for the equipment, because they were not Type Accepted as a Total
System. Having a NON Type Accepted system installed and connected
to an antenna, and Power is not within the rules of Part 80, and
therefor Actionable by an FCC Field Agent, if he so chooses to
do so when he finds the equipment.

The real issue is what kind of idiot thinks transmitting in the blind
on VHF is better than an EPIRB to begin with. Nothing quite like
saturating the ether with panic stricken calls from some idiot who
can't hear a reply anyway. Would be better off letting the EPIRB do its
thing and use the time to deal with the emergency.

You are EXACTLY correct on the above observation. Under GMDSS, the
First Notification of an Emergency should be by EPIRB, and then by
MF, HF, or VHF depending on which Sea Area the vessel is located in.
Unfortunatly our government is so far behind in deployment of GMDSS by
the USCG, that screaming on Ch16, and or 4125.0 Khz is still the best
way to get local attention.

Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @


4125.0 Khz is an International High Seas Calling and Working Frequency
under the ITU and FCC Part 80. It has become the DEFACTO Emergency
Frequency for the whole North Pacific in that USCG Station Kodiak
has their 15Kw Station listening Watch 24/7 on that frequency. Also all
the NOAA High Sea's Weather Stations collect and distribute the North
Pacific Wx on 4125.0Khz, so that is where all the vessels hang out.

The Alaska 5167.5Khz Frequency was originally an Alaska Public an
Private Fixed frequency that was converted to Calling and Emergency
about 10 years ago. It received some use but now is mostly not being
monitored anywhere on a 24/7 basis, but remains "On the Books" as an HF
backup for Natural Disaster Communications. Telepones and Cellular have
replaced the need for most of the MF and HF Comms, so previlent in the
1900's in alaska. I started out as a Traveling Radioman for Northern
Radio Co,repairing and installing the OLD AM MF and HF Public and
Private Coast and Public and Private Fixed Stations that formed the
backbone of Alaska Communications back in the 60's.

Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

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Similar rules in Australia (only if your interested) not meaning to but in.
The RIs here (Radio Inspectors) can confiscate any equipment capable of
being used in the transmission of an illegal signal. That includes any
vehicles or property used in the transportation or housing of said
equipment. The word capable is the important one. Your gear can be in boxes
and the mast and Yagi packet away but it's capable.
Misuse of the spectrum here is on par (legally) with drug dealing and
kidnapping. The jail terms can be about the same.
--
Jason
There are 10 types of people - those who understand binary and those who
don't.

"Bruce in Alaska" wrote in message
...
In article et,
Rick wrote:

Bruce in Alaska wrote:

All Part 80 Radio Equipemnt MUST be Type Accepted, by the FCC for use
under any Part 80 License. As part of the Type Acceptance Process
the OEM must show Power Output as well as other aspects of the
Technical
Specifacations for the Equipment. Any change in Power Output by
addition of an external amplifier would VOID the Type Acceptance
for the equipment, because they were not Type Accepted as a Total
System. ... and therefor Actionable by an FCC Field Agent, if he so
chooses to do so when he finds the equipment.

Interesting, but does all the voluntary station equipment have to meet
Part 80 requirements?

Icom used to make a "power booster" a little 1W in 25W out VHF amplifier
for their ML25 handheld and if I recall correctly it was only Part 15
qualified. It was sold by all the best yachtie stores.


Having a NON Type Accepted system installed and connected
to an antenna, and Power is not within the rules of Part 80,

If it isn't powered up and delivering more than 50 watts to the antenna
then it is just another part of the feedline and, like coax, isn't
certified in any event.

Could be wrong but since I am not going to waste time or money playing
such stupid games it is academic ... 8-)

Rick


Any installed Equipment on a US Flagged vessel, that transmits on Part
80 Frequencies, MUST be Type Accepted. Voluntary Equipped Vessels are
still Licensed by the FCC. They are just covered under a "Blanket
License" that applies to all Noncommercial Vessels that DONOT leave
US Territorial Waters. CB Radios, FRS Radios, and a few others are also
covered by similat "Blanket Licenses". These "Blanket Licenses" also
REQUIRE Type Accepted Equipment.

The Part 80 50 Watt limit is not for Vessels but for Maritime Mobile
Public and Private Coast Stations, and is a specifc exemption from the
Power Limitations Rules, where the Power is allowed to be measured at
the Antenna Feedpoint rather than at the output of the Transmitting
Equipemnt. This allows for a coast Station not to count the feedline
loss into the Maximum Power Output calculation. No other Radio Service
that I am aware of has this type of Rule.

The Icom Power booster WAS Type Accepted as a SYSTEM with most of the
Marine Icom Handhelds that were being sold at the time it was sold.
Check the FCC Type Acceptance Publication and see for your self.

If the amp is in the feedline and connected to Power, it is concidered
to be OPERATIONL, if it is turned on or not, and not just part of the
feedline.

Bruce in alaska
--
add a 2 before @

SSB Radio
 

Thanks Bruce!
Mike

Bruce in Alaska wrote:
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