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On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:30:06 -0500, wrote:
In fact, I have to monitor things carefully and turn on interior lights to bleed off the surplus, so I don't overcharge the batteries when motorsailing with the outboard running - even at low speeds. Voltage regulator? Evidently the one you have is not smart enough. Casady |
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On Nov 12, 12:59*pm, Martin Baxter wrote:
Capt John wrote: Using more restrictive filters can cause problems with your supply pump, or, even worse, cause the engine to run lean. That will cause the engine to run hot and, over the long run, cause all kinds of other problems. Huh? Diesels do not run "lean". *Hint, think about you control power/speed in a diesel. Cheers Martin Wrong, wrong, wrong. You can run a diesel lean, when you have a restricted fuel system, like your filters are clogged, it's starving for fuel. Dead give away, the exhaust temperature starts to rise. If you've got pyromiters you can see it right away. I've got Cats in my boat, I don't need to look at the fliters to tell their clogging, the engine temperature starts to rise. Change out the filters, and it drops back to normal. |
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On Nov 12, 2:46*pm, You wrote:
In article , Martin Baxter wrote: Capt John wrote: Using more restrictive filters can cause problems with your supply pump, or, even worse, cause the engine to run lean. That will cause the engine to run hot and, over the long run, cause all kinds of other problems. Huh? Diesels do not run "lean". *Hint, think about you control power/speed in a diesel. Cheers Martin Just one of a few of Capt. John's misconceptions...... You need to study up a little, try asking your engine manufacturer about those filters. The marine specialist at HO Penn, our local Cat dealer on Long Island, was adamant about this. Said regardless of the engine manufacturer, they specify the 30 micron filters for a reason. Your probably more likely to get away with it with a little sail boat engine than a larger high output engine. For the price of a rebuild, or replacement, I'll take the manufacturers advice over your's and day of the week. |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message ... You probably know this already but per the COLREGS boats equipped with radar are supposed to use it: Rule 7 Risk of Collision (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and operational, including long-range scanning to obtain early warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects. 'Proper use' does not compel you to have your radar going at all times. |
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"Edgar" wrote in message
... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... You probably know this already but per the COLREGS boats equipped with radar are supposed to use it: Rule 7 Risk of Collision (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and operational, including long-range scanning to obtain early warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects. 'Proper use' does not compel you to have your radar going at all times. Correct. It would be a matter of trade-offs between say running the batteries into the ground vs. keeping watch at critical times. Of course, the Admiralty Court would determine this after the fact. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Edgar" wrote in message ... "Wayne.B" wrote in message ... You probably know this already but per the COLREGS boats equipped with radar are supposed to use it: Rule 7 Risk of Collision (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and operational, including long-range scanning to obtain early warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects. 'Proper use' does not compel you to have your radar going at all times. Wrong! Look at the way the sentence is written. What it's really saying is this: (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and operational. Proper use includes long-range scanning to obtain early warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects. Now, I ask you, how is one to do long range scanning, radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects if the system is switched off? The answer is you cannot, therefore you are in violation of the rule. No, it is cleat that if radar is installed and operational it must be used for the above when underway. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Capt John" wrote
You need to study up a little, try asking your engine manufacturer about those filters. The marine specialist at HO Penn, our local Cat dealer on Long Island, was adamant about this. Said regardless of the engine manufacturer, they specify the 30 micron filters for a reason. My experience with manufacturers and reps is that they will often give the advice that is best for them and not the customer. There was a big controversy going on about mixture control on aircraft when I left flying. The mixture is adjusted constantly on general aviation engines and the engine manufacturers were still giving the advice that put the most stress on the engines, minimized their life, and fouled up the cylinders the most with ash. Why? Because running the engines the way that was best for the individual owner meant that everything about the engine had to be nearly perfect. A slight induction leak or otherwise minor problem would make the engine rough. If they advised people to run the engines properly, they would be plagued with people coming back and complaining that their engine was rough. So, they told them to run them the way that made the engines the most tolerant even though they burned more fuel and didn't last as long. It was more important to them that their engines have a reputation for being smooth and trouble free than that the be economical on fuel and last longer. Not strictly applicable to this but just to point out that you should take info like Penn's with a grain of salt, even in aviation where people die when the engine quites. Running the engine in my plane properly also alerted me when a small problem like a loosening clamp on an induction hose was developing and we could have it tracked down and fixed. Your probably more likely to get away with it with a little sail boat engine than a larger high output engine. For the price of a rebuild, or replacement, I'll take the manufacturers advice over your's and day of the week. What is it between 2mu and 30 mu in size that is vital for the engine to digest or else it will become unservicable? There is usually a filter mounted on the engine that is part of the engine and came as standard equipment. The flow and pressure drops of this filter MAY have little enough margin and tolerance for what the engine mounted fuel pump can handle that putting in an element that MIGHT be more restrictive could cause problems for the engine mounted fuel pump. If this could occure in a few cases, reps like HO Penn will translate it into gospel. We're talking here about the filters upstream in the system which are part of the fuel system; not the engine. These are usually accompanied by separate feed or boost pumps or day tanks that put a pressure head on the system. If you are delivering fuel to the engine mounted fuel pump at pressure, as on my boat, it can't possibly matter what filter element is in the primary filter. I use the engine maufacturer supplied and recommended element in the filter that is on the engine and painted the same color because it came with the engine and there isn't much choice anyway. -- Roger Long |
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 09:19:59 -0800 (PST), Capt John
wrote: rong, wrong, wrong. You can run a diesel lean, when you have a restricted fuel system Lean or rich describes fuel air mixtures, and Diesels don't even have them. Even so, lean lowers the temp.So does rich. Airplanes have a mixture control and if you have an EGT gauge, it is easy to see it in action. Lower temperatures on both the rich and lean sides of a peak. Lean, you have less fuel heating the same ammount of air. This raises the temperature how? It doesn't. Casady |
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In article ,
Bruce in alaska wrote: In article , "Roger Long" wrote: Bruce in alaska wrote: I've run Diesel from 55USG Drums filled during WWII, with no problem, whatsoever. This stuff is over 50 years old, and makes power in my Gensets, just spiffy..... Interesting. Were those drums sealed all these years? I wonder if WWII diesel (different stuff than we have today) sealed into drums with the intention that it would be stored for a long time would give the same results as modern diesel that's been sitting in 3/4 to 1/2 full drums in the sun for a few weeks. My original comment about drums was really just shorthand for the reports I've received about poor fuel quality up in Newfoundland where the fishing restrictions have slowed sales to the point that stuff which is a long way down the supply chain anyway gets pretty funky. There were a few problems here in Maine this summer simply because the long hoses at some marinas would grow stuff when no one came along for days to buy due to the high prices earlier in the summer. Sealed Drums, filled in 1944 by the US Navy. Straight #2 Diesel, no addatives or other crap. My Tank Farm has 250K USG of Diesel #2, and 15K USG of Diesel #1 in it, and after a winter, we get less than 40 USG of water out of ALL 20 Tanks. Never had to treat ANY of the Diesel with Biocide, since we switched to receiving our fuel in 6000 USG Over-the-Road Tanks on a Freight Barge, rather than from the Fuel Barge with Sea Water Ballasting, and that was 20 years ago. I still keep a few of those Navy Surplus Drums of fuel around for emergencies, as it is KNOWN GOOD Fuel. RaCor filters are a wondrous thing, I use them exclusively, both for the Winter and Summer Powerhouses, as well as on the lines to the Fuel Dock. Never had a problem with ANY of the Diesel Fuel System. Now the Gasoline Stuff is a TOTALLY Different deal...... In article , Capt John wrote: On Nov 12, 2:46*pm, You wrote: In article , Martin Baxter wrote: Capt John wrote: Using more restrictive filters can cause problems with your supply pump, or, even worse, cause the engine to run lean. That will cause the engine to run hot and, over the long run, cause all kinds of other problems. Huh? Diesels do not run "lean". *Hint, think about you control power/speed in a diesel. Cheers Martin Just one of a few of Capt. John's misconceptions...... You need to study up a little, try asking your engine manufacturer about those filters. The marine specialist at HO Penn, our local Cat dealer on Long Island, was adamant about this. Said regardless of the engine manufacturer, they specify the 30 micron filters for a reason. Your probably more likely to get away with it with a little sail boat engine than a larger high output engine. For the price of a rebuild, or replacement, I'll take the manufacturers advice over your's and day of the week. Your ity bity KittyCAT Diesels don't even come close to the BIG YELLOW CAT's in my Summer PowerHouse. (2.8 MegaWatts worth) Our CAT Service Folks spec'd and installed MULTIPLE Racor 2020 10 Micron Primary Fuel Filters on the 4" fuel line that feeds the PowerHouse from the Tank Farm. The PowerHouse was Designed by Ed Wahl, one of CAT's most repected Power Generation Engineer dudes, who taught a whole Generation of CAT Field Service Folks how to do their JOBs, being the CAT Power Generation Engineering Instructor, in his later life. If your running your filters until the engine is getting "Starved for Fuel", and "running lean", then your and absolute Moroooooon, (Bugs Bunny Definition) as that would mean that there isn't enough fuel to fully fill the Injectors each time they fire, AND that also means that there would be NO fuel coming back thru the Fuel Return Line, AND consequently No Cooling of the Injector Tips, which is the Primary Reason for the Fuel Return Line, in the FIRST PLACE. Very Good way to BURN OUT the Injector Tips on your CATs, Sonny.... Just where did you learn your Diesel Engineering.... Dufus's R Us??? -- Bruce in alaska add path after fast to reply |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... 'Proper use' does not compel you to have your radar going at all times. Wrong! Look at the way the sentence is written. What it's really saying is this: (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and operational. Proper use includes long-range scanning to obtain early warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects. Now, I ask you, how is one to do long range scanning, radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects if the system is switched off? The answer is you cannot, therefore you are in violation of the rule. No, it is cleat that if radar is installed and operational it must be used for the above when underway. Wilbur Hubbard I disagree. It depends on circumstances, and you have the right to make a choice. If you are in a yacht going 4-6 knots with several miles visibility it is pointless to keep on long range scanning. If you are in a VLCC with six miles stopping distance it is quite a different ball game. But Jon is quite correct in his post.in that if you get it wrong it is not going to look too good in court |
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"Edgar" wrote in message ... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... 'Proper use' does not compel you to have your radar going at all times. Wrong! Look at the way the sentence is written. What it's really saying is this: (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and operational. Proper use includes long-range scanning to obtain early warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects. Now, I ask you, how is one to do long range scanning, radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects if the system is switched off? The answer is you cannot, therefore you are in violation of the rule. No, it is cleat that if radar is installed and operational it must be used for the above when underway. Wilbur Hubbard I disagree. It depends on circumstances, and you have the right to make a choice. If you are in a yacht going 4-6 knots with several miles visibility it is pointless to keep on long range scanning. I disagree! If you are in a yacht going at 4-6 knots it has little bearing on a ship going at 25 knots on a collision course. At those relative speeds you have less than twenty minutes to sight it, plot it's course and take evasive action. You can look all around the horizon, go below to prepare some hot coffee and right about the time it's perking away you'll be run down. If you are in a VLCC with six miles stopping distance it is quite a different ball game. But, YOU can see a VLCC on radar much easier than he can see you. In a small yacht the radar is more defensive in nature. If you have it you need to be using it. Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Bruce in alaska" wrote in message ... In article , Bruce in alaska wrote: In article , "Roger Long" wrote: Bruce in alaska wrote: I've run Diesel from 55USG Drums filled during WWII, with no problem, whatsoever. This stuff is over 50 years old, and makes power in my Gensets, just spiffy..... Interesting. Were those drums sealed all these years? I wonder if WWII diesel (different stuff than we have today) sealed into drums with the intention that it would be stored for a long time would give the same results as modern diesel that's been sitting in 3/4 to 1/2 full drums in the sun for a few weeks. My original comment about drums was really just shorthand for the reports I've received about poor fuel quality up in Newfoundland where the fishing restrictions have slowed sales to the point that stuff which is a long way down the supply chain anyway gets pretty funky. There were a few problems here in Maine this summer simply because the long hoses at some marinas would grow stuff when no one came along for days to buy due to the high prices earlier in the summer. Sealed Drums, filled in 1944 by the US Navy. Straight #2 Diesel, no addatives or other crap. My Tank Farm has 250K USG of Diesel #2, and 15K USG of Diesel #1 in it, and after a winter, we get less than 40 USG of water out of ALL 20 Tanks. Never had to treat ANY of the Diesel with Biocide, since we switched to receiving our fuel in 6000 USG Over-the-Road Tanks on a Freight Barge, rather than from the Fuel Barge with Sea Water Ballasting, and that was 20 years ago. I still keep a few of those Navy Surplus Drums of fuel around for emergencies, as it is KNOWN GOOD Fuel. RaCor filters are a wondrous thing, I use them exclusively, both for the Winter and Summer Powerhouses, as well as on the lines to the Fuel Dock. Never had a problem with ANY of the Diesel Fuel System. Now the Gasoline Stuff is a TOTALLY Different deal...... In article , Capt John wrote: On Nov 12, 2:46 pm, You wrote: In article , Martin Baxter wrote: Capt John wrote: Using more restrictive filters can cause problems with your supply pump, or, even worse, cause the engine to run lean. That will cause the engine to run hot and, over the long run, cause all kinds of other problems. Huh? Diesels do not run "lean". Hint, think about you control power/speed in a diesel. Cheers Martin Just one of a few of Capt. John's misconceptions...... You need to study up a little, try asking your engine manufacturer about those filters. The marine specialist at HO Penn, our local Cat dealer on Long Island, was adamant about this. Said regardless of the engine manufacturer, they specify the 30 micron filters for a reason. Your probably more likely to get away with it with a little sail boat engine than a larger high output engine. For the price of a rebuild, or replacement, I'll take the manufacturers advice over your's and day of the week. Your ity bity KittyCAT Diesels don't even come close to the BIG YELLOW CAT's in my Summer PowerHouse. (2.8 MegaWatts worth) Our CAT Service Folks spec'd and installed MULTIPLE Racor 2020 10 Micron Primary Fuel Filters on the 4" fuel line that feeds the PowerHouse from the Tank Farm. The PowerHouse was Designed by Ed Wahl, one of CAT's most repected Power Generation Engineer dudes, who taught a whole Generation of CAT Field Service Folks how to do their JOBs, being the CAT Power Generation Engineering Instructor, in his later life. If your running your filters until the engine is getting "Starved for Fuel", and "running lean", then your and absolute Moroooooon, (Bugs Bunny Definition) as that would mean that there isn't enough fuel to fully fill the Injectors each time they fire, AND that also means that there would be NO fuel coming back thru the Fuel Return Line, AND consequently No Cooling of the Injector Tips, which is the Primary Reason for the Fuel Return Line, in the FIRST PLACE. Very Good way to BURN OUT the Injector Tips on your CATs, Sonny.... Just where did you learn your Diesel Engineering.... Dufus's R Us??? You ain't the sharpest tool in the shed yourself, dude! What you say makes no sense. When you rev up a diesel it revs up because more fuel gets injected. Except at designed RPM all diesels burn learn. Only at designed RPM is the mixture optimal. Unless it's turbo or supercharged what determines the volume of air pushed into the cylinder by atmospheric pressure is the displacement of the piston therein. When you throttle down it loses rpms because you decrease the fuel supply - air supply remains a constant. You can't run it lean because if there is limited fuel then there is limited rpms. It self-adjusts. Get a clue, dude. -- Gregory Hall |
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"Edgar" wrote in message
... troll sh*t removed I disagree. It depends on circumstances, and you have the right to make a choice. If you are in a yacht going 4-6 knots with several miles visibility it is pointless to keep on long range scanning. If you are in a VLCC with six miles stopping distance it is quite a different ball game. But Jon is quite correct in his post.in that if you get it wrong it is not going to look too good in court Correct. You'd be better served, at least with commercial traffic which is typically the situation, to use AIS. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... Wrong! Look at the way the sentence is written. What it's really saying is this: (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and operational. Proper use includes long-range scanning to obtain early warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects. Now, I ask you, how is one to do long range scanning, radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects if the system is switched off? The answer is you cannot, therefore you are in violation of the rule. No, it is cleat that if radar is installed and operational it must be used for the above when underway. Wilbur Hubbard My position is that if the radar is turned off, it's not "operational." :-D |
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troll sh*t removed Hey I had nothing to do with it, Cap! |
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... Wrong! Look at the way the sentence is written. What it's really saying is this: (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and operational. Proper use includes long-range scanning to obtain early warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects. Now, I ask you, how is one to do long range scanning, radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects if the system is switched off? The answer is you cannot, therefore you are in violation of the rule. No, it is cleat that if radar is installed and operational it must be used for the above when underway. Wilbur Hubbard My position is that if the radar is turned off, it's not "operational." :-D Weird position, Karin! If I were to ask you if you had an operational hair dryer would you say no unless it was plugged in, switched on and blowing hot air? If I asked you if your dish washer was operational would you have to schlep your rear end into the kitchen to see if it was on and washing dishes? If I were to enquire if you had an operational automobile would you say no unless your were sitting inside with the motor running and the transmission in gear and the emergency brake disengaged? Wilbur Hubbard |
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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... "KLC Lewis" wrote in message et... "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message anews.com... Wrong! Look at the way the sentence is written. What it's really saying is this: (b) Proper use shall be made of radar equipment if fitted and operational. Proper use includes long-range scanning to obtain early warning of risk of collision and radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects. Now, I ask you, how is one to do long range scanning, radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects if the system is switched off? The answer is you cannot, therefore you are in violation of the rule. No, it is cleat that if radar is installed and operational it must be used for the above when underway. Wilbur Hubbard My position is that if the radar is turned off, it's not "operational." :-D Weird position, Karin! If I were to ask you if you had an operational hair dryer would you say no unless it was plugged in, switched on and blowing hot air? If I asked you if your dish washer was operational would you have to schlep your rear end into the kitchen to see if it was on and washing dishes? If I were to enquire if you had an operational automobile would you say no unless your were sitting inside with the motor running and the transmission in gear and the emergency brake disengaged? Wilbur Hubbard Absolutely. ;-) |
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:41:06 -0500, wrote:
Size has little to do with it, and How often do you go anywhere that you are offshore for more than a week? Moored or anchored? Sometimes for more than a month. We are totally independant of marinas except for fuel and water and the boat has lots of that, far more than most sail boats. |
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... troll sh*t removed Hey I had nothing to do with it, Cap! LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Bruce in alaska wrote in news:fast-835618.10442214112008
@netnews.worldnet.att.net: If your running your filters until the engine is getting "Starved for Fuel", and "running lean", then your and absolute Moroooooon, (Bugs Bunny Definition) as that would mean that there isn't enough fuel to fully fill the Injectors each time they fire, AND that also means that there would be NO fuel coming back thru the Fuel Return Line, AND consequently No Cooling of the Injector Tips, which is the Primary Reason for the Fuel Return Line, in the FIRST PLACE. Very Good way to BURN OUT the Injector Tips on your CATs, Sonny.... Just where did you learn your Diesel Engineering.... Dufus's R Us??? Huh? How the hell do you get it to idle?? The intake is either naturally aspirated or supercharged (4-stroke) and you STARVE IT OF FUEL TO MAKE IT SLOW DOWN! It's nearly starved to death at idle with just enough fire to turn it over.... ?????/ I'm not sure about your engine, but my engines regulate FUEL SUPPLY when I press down on the pedal or push the throttles forward...or aft. What kinda cooling does the injector tip require when there's so little fuel in ALL THAT COOL AIR the damned thing hardly fires at all?! You musta missed something. A diesel engine is one of the simplest machines ever built. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU09jijFMiI See all the fire left over from this one running SO LEAN AT SLOW SPEED? You're looking right into the combustion chamber of a running ship engine. See any smoke?? Nope. It's so hot in there lube oil is dripping off all over the place.... Duhhh... |
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:14:03 +0100, "Edgar"
wrote: If you are in a VLCC with six miles stopping distance it is quite a different ball game. When someone falls over the side you put the rudder hard over, leaving the engine alone. You make a circle a mile in diameter and are down to three knots when you get back to the spot. Casady |
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:50:51 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: But, YOU can see a VLCC on radar much easier than he can see you The big ships have bigger, better radars. This mitigates the difference in targets size somewhat. Casady |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:29:00 +0000, Larry wrote:
wrote in : My outboard has limited charging ability, but it is plenty for my needs. I NEVER use shorepower for anything. I don't even keep the cable on board. Why is that such a source of personal pride? I've never met anyone living in a mud hut who was proud of NOT having electricity. Why is it such a wonderful thing on a BOAT? Many years ago I worked in rather remote areas of Irian Jaya where the people were literally "stone age". The locals were entranced by metal tools, of course, but also by wrist watches, nails and plastic tarpaulins. Apparently even stone age peoples can see the advantage of telling accurate time, fastening things together without tying them together with vines and really waterproof, rather then thatched roofs. It is a shame that people living in an advanced society have degenerated to the point that they believe doing it in the old (primitive) way is "better". Cheers, Bruce (bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:50:04 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:41:06 -0500, wrote: Size has little to do with it, and How often do you go anywhere that you are offshore for more than a week? Moored or anchored? Sometimes for more than a month. We are totally independant of marinas except for fuel and water and the boat has lots of that, far more than most sail boats. You likely use more fuel in a hour than I use in a season. And your fuel is that smelly, more expensive stuff. I'll bet that despite your vast tankage, you visit fuel docks far more often than I do. |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:29:00 +0000, Larry wrote:
wrote in : My outboard has limited charging ability, but it is plenty for my needs. I NEVER use shorepower for anything. I don't even keep the cable on board. Why is that such a source of personal pride? I've never met anyone living in a mud hut who was proud of NOT having electricity. Why is it such a wonderful thing on a BOAT? As stated before, I sail because it's different from staying at home. If I wanted things to be just like at home, why would I need a boat? I PREFER the lack of landbound thinking. I enjoy being self sufficient as much as possible. I'm very comfortable on the boat without all that crap. I consider it an advantage. Why do people go camping? Why do people go for a walk? Why would anyone drive at night when it's so much easier in the daytime? |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:03:42 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:50:04 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:41:06 -0500, wrote: Size has little to do with it, and How often do you go anywhere that you are offshore for more than a week? Moored or anchored? Sometimes for more than a month. We are totally independant of marinas except for fuel and water and the boat has lots of that, far more than most sail boats. You likely use more fuel in a hour than I use in a season. And your fuel is that smelly, more expensive stuff. I'll bet that despite your vast tankage, you visit fuel docks far more often than I do. I probably do use more fuel then you do, but then again, I suppose I can afford to. On the other hand I never visit a fuel dock. I haul it out in jerry cans. If you believe that having a tiny, inefficient, motor is to be blessed, then obviously having no motor is even more blessed. I suggest that you take out the batteries too. then you can be pure at heart and run on kerosene. Funny how the weekend warriors all brag about "sailing" when the professionals, the people who actually make their living on the water all want the newest and latest development. I once asked an old lobsterman, "Capt. Chester, were the good old days really that good?" He replied, "Boy, I'll tell you, you get down the mouth of the bay and the wind dies and you have to row her home you won't talk about the good old days!" Cheers, Schwiek (goodsolderschweikatgmaildotcom) |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:04:05 +0700, Good Solder Schweik
wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:03:42 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:50:04 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:41:06 -0500, wrote: Size has little to do with it, and How often do you go anywhere that you are offshore for more than a week? Moored or anchored? Sometimes for more than a month. We are totally independant of marinas except for fuel and water and the boat has lots of that, far more than most sail boats. You likely use more fuel in a hour than I use in a season. And your fuel is that smelly, more expensive stuff. I'll bet that despite your vast tankage, you visit fuel docks far more often than I do. I probably do use more fuel then you do, but then again, I suppose I can afford to. On the other hand I never visit a fuel dock. I haul it out in jerry cans. If you believe that having a tiny, inefficient, motor is to be blessed, then obviously having no motor is even more blessed. I suggest that you take out the batteries too. then you can be pure at heart and run on kerosene. Funny how the weekend warriors all brag about "sailing" when the professionals, the people who actually make their living on the water all want the newest and latest development. I once asked an old lobsterman, "Capt. Chester, were the good old days really that good?" He replied, "Boy, I'll tell you, you get down the mouth of the bay and the wind dies and you have to row her home you won't talk about the good old days!" Cheers, Schwiek (goodsolderschweikatgmaildotcom) Bwahahahaha! What a clueless dope you are. |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:18:02 -0500, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:04:05 +0700, Good Solder Schweik wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:03:42 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:50:04 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 12:41:06 -0500, wrote: Size has little to do with it, and How often do you go anywhere that you are offshore for more than a week? Moored or anchored? Sometimes for more than a month. We are totally independant of marinas except for fuel and water and the boat has lots of that, far more than most sail boats. You likely use more fuel in a hour than I use in a season. And your fuel is that smelly, more expensive stuff. I'll bet that despite your vast tankage, you visit fuel docks far more often than I do. I probably do use more fuel then you do, but then again, I suppose I can afford to. On the other hand I never visit a fuel dock. I haul it out in jerry cans. If you believe that having a tiny, inefficient, motor is to be blessed, then obviously having no motor is even more blessed. I suggest that you take out the batteries too. then you can be pure at heart and run on kerosene. Funny how the weekend warriors all brag about "sailing" when the professionals, the people who actually make their living on the water all want the newest and latest development. I once asked an old lobsterman, "Capt. Chester, were the good old days really that good?" He replied, "Boy, I'll tell you, you get down the mouth of the bay and the wind dies and you have to row her home you won't talk about the good old days!" Cheers, Schwiek (goodsolderschweikatgmaildotcom) Bwahahahaha! What a clueless dope you are. Ah ha! Insults, the ultimate refuge of the mentally incompetent. In other words, you can't manage an intellectually with a well thought out response so you make a noise with your mouth that rather sounds like a noise that most people make with their arse. Cheers, Schwiek (goodsolderschweikatgmaildotcom) |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 22:04:05 +0700, Good Solder Schweik
wrote: I once asked an old lobsterman, "Capt. Chester, were the good old days really that good?" He replied, "Boy, I'll tell you, you get down the mouth of the bay and the wind dies and you have to row her home you won't talk about the good old days!" Should have asked him what a decent plum or peach tasted like. He would have talked about the good old days. --Vic |
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2008 13:48:49 -0500, "Roger Long"
wrote: The mixture is adjusted constantly on general aviation engines and the engine manufacturers were still giving the advice that put the most stress on the engines, minimized their life, and fouled up the cylinders the most with ash. Why? Because running the engines the way that was best for the individual owner meant that everything about the engine had to be nearly perfect. ... It's interesting to notice how much LONGER auto engines seem to be lasting these days. This is not just that a made in Japan or Korea engine is somehow better - but rather that all engines have engine controllers any more, with port fuel injection as likely as not, and adjust themselves on the run, to stay optimally lean and correctly timed. So they stay clean, and listen for ping, and sniff for stochiometry, sometimes with two O2 sensors. Too few aero recips are doing that. Porshe's try fizzled for instance. The market is small. BrianW |
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Vic Smith wrote in
: You drive at night? He does but his car doesn't use electricity so doesn't have headlights or taillights. There's a kerosene lantern hanging off the back like an Amish horse wagon.... |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 03:46:00 +0000, Larry wrote:
Vic Smith wrote in : You drive at night? He does but his car doesn't use electricity so doesn't have headlights or taillights. There's a kerosene lantern hanging off the back like an Amish horse wagon.... In the early days of automobiles, in England, there was a law that horseless carriages were to be proceeded by a person carrying a lantern.... probably went with the carbide side lights? Cheers, Schwiek (goodsolderschweikatgmaildotcom) |
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On 2008-11-15 20:03:46 -0500, Vic Smith said:
I once asked an old lobsterman, "Capt. Chester, were the good old days really that good?" He replied, "Boy, I'll tell you, you get down the mouth of the bay and the wind dies and you have to row her home you won't talk about the good old days!" Should have asked him what a decent plum or peach tasted like. He would have talked about the good old days. They still taste that good if you get you as you did then: from the local farmer at the peak of its ripeness. Try a true farmer's market. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:44:28 +0700, Good Solder Schweik
wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:18:02 -0500, wrote: Bwahahahaha! What a clueless dope you are. Ah ha! Insults, the ultimate refuge of the mentally incompetent. In other words, you can't manage an intellectually with a well thought out response so you make a noise with your mouth that rather sounds like a noise that most people make with their arse. Your post was a series of nonsense and incorrect conjecture. It required, nor deserved a more elaborate rebuttal. When you post something intelligent, perhaps I'll be more specific in my reply. |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:49:46 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-11-15 20:03:46 -0500, Vic Smith said: I once asked an old lobsterman, "Capt. Chester, were the good old days really that good?" He replied, "Boy, I'll tell you, you get down the mouth of the bay and the wind dies and you have to row her home you won't talk about the good old days!" Should have asked him what a decent plum or peach tasted like. He would have talked about the good old days. They still taste that good if you get you as you did then: from the local farmer at the peak of its ripeness. Try a true farmer's market. We have apple, pear, peach, and cherry trees. The cats sit in the cherry tree, waiting for the birds. From the cats viewpoint, the cherrys are chum. We have a marvelous tool to pit them and they freeze with no ill effects. I planted a dozen sweet corn, but the wife's gourds choked them out. There is a big farmer's market in Des Moines, as well as roadside stands. Previous place had cherrys and those little plums that make such good jelly and jam. If you live where the stuff grows you can always find it for sale really fresh. Casady |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:59:55 -0500, wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 07:44:28 +0700, Good Solder Schweik wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:18:02 -0500, wrote: Bwahahahaha! What a clueless dope you are. Ah ha! Insults, the ultimate refuge of the mentally incompetent. In other words, you can't manage an intellectually with a well thought out response so you make a noise with your mouth that rather sounds like a noise that most people make with their arse. Your post was a series of nonsense and incorrect conjecture. It required, nor deserved a more elaborate rebuttal. When you post something intelligent, perhaps I'll be more specific in my reply. Ah! Another irrational, unresponsive and insulting response confirming my assertion that you are reduced to insulting responses being unable to respond in a rational and intelligent manner. Merely another immature individual spouting "much ado about nothing", as the bard would have it. Using the Internet in an attempt to bolster his insignificant ego.. Cheers, Schwiek (goodsoldierschweikatgmaildotcom) |
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