"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 09:13:31 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:




Let this be a lesson to anybody looking to buy a boat. Just say no to
vinyl
or any other sort of "cover up" overhead liner.

Except for the rack, rope and sails, a boat should be hard.
And easy to clean.
A hard overhead is noisy, but popcorn paint can alleviate that.
Why haven't you mentioned popcorn paint?
I thought you were a sailor!

--Vic

It's good to see somebody else who knows what a boat is supposed to be built
like. "Hard" is a good way to put it.

I don't think popcorn paint or any rough surface is compatible with the
deckhead of a sailboat. The overhead needs to be smooth, glossy and easy to
clean with fresh water and a little bleach to keep mold and mildew from
forming. Noise is not a problem provided the deck itself is cored with balsa
or plywood, Kledgecell etc.

The primary considerations for any seaman's yacht interior finish is that it
last the life of the yacht, remain easy to clean and maintain and remain
bright and attractive. What little wood is in evidence should be kept well
varnished for the same reasons. But primarily the interior surfaces should
be GRP with a glossy gel coat finish. Trim can be wood and perhaps one or
two of the bulkheads. The overhead (deckhead) should never be finished with
that cheap, unsightly vinyl held in place with battens. It's unacceptable to
any real sailor. Totally untenable!

Wilbur Hubbard

Any real sailor would throw your paint and shiny **** out the hatch.
lime, oil and wax the bloody wood and be done with it. its cleanable
easy on the eyes and cheap. and it takes about 30 min to apply. its
not going to choke you out with fumes nore make your eyes water. if
you dont have to have the filtered bees wax it will cost about 5
dollers to make up enough to coat your cabin.

"Two meter troll" wrote in message
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Any real sailor would throw your paint and shiny **** out the hatch.
lime, oil and wax the bloody wood and be done with it. its cleanable
easy on the eyes and cheap. and it takes about 30 min to apply. its
not going to choke you out with fumes nore make your eyes water. if
you dont have to have the filtered bees wax it will cost about 5
dollers to make up enough to coat your cabin.

Oh, please! Why make a virtue out of being a cheapskate? But, the old, tried
and true methods, if they please you and don't involve extra hours of
maintenance, are nothing to sneeze at provided you're on a budget. And it
sounds like you have a wooden boat. Wood is more comfortable than GRP any
day. But the endless hours of maintenance are prohibitive. For those of us
who wish to sail more than we work, GRP is the only way to go.

Wilbur Hubbard

On 2008-11-07 18:53:32 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

Wood is more comfortable than GRP any day. But the endless hours of
maintenance are prohibitive. For those of us who wish to sail more than
we work, GRP is the only way to go.

Okay, that's twice I've agreed with you in as many minutes.

WHO are you and what have you done with Wilbur?

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:53:42 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:


Wood is more comfortable than GRP any day. But the endless hours of
maintenance are prohibitive. For those of us who wish to sail more than
we work, GRP is the only way to go.

Okay, that's twice I've agreed with you in as many minutes.

WHO are you and what have you done with Wilbur?


Eeeeioow!
*I* saw something sensible over that by-line too yesterday.

What's going on?

Brian W

Maybe they adjusted his meds.

--
Roger Long

On 2008-11-07 18:38:37 -0500, Two meter troll said:

Any real sailor would throw your paint and shiny **** out the hatch.
lime, oil and wax the bloody wood and be done with it. its cleanable
easy on the eyes and cheap. and it takes about 30 min to apply. its
not going to choke you out with fumes nore make your eyes water. if
you dont have to have the filtered bees wax it will cost about 5
dollers to make up enough to coat your cabin.

Uggh!

Used to do oil and wax finishes on furniture that lasted decades (have
examples next to me 30 years old), but after trying it on Xan, I
stripped everything and varnished.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On 2008-11-07 18:03:16 -0500, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

I don't think popcorn paint or any rough surface is compatible with the
deckhead of a sailboat. The overhead needs to be smooth, glossy and easy to
clean with fresh water and a little bleach to keep mold and mildew from
forming. Noise is not a problem provided the deck itself is cored with balsa
or plywood, Kledgecell etc.

The primary considerations for any seaman's yacht interior finish is that it
last the life of the yacht, remain easy to clean and maintain and remain
bright and attractive. What little wood is in evidence should be kept well
varnished for the same reasons. But primarily the interior surfaces should
be GRP with a glossy gel coat finish. Trim can be wood and perhaps one or
two of the bulkheads. The overhead (deckhead) should never be finished with
that cheap, unsightly vinyl held in place with battens. It's unacceptable to
any real sailor. Totally untenable!

I actually agree with most of this! But you'd love Xan's interior,
except that we've many wood accents that keep it looking less like a
Chlorox bottle.

Minor points: I like a Xan's slight texture over a glossy surface, but
that's a personal thing. We can keep it clean as easily as the edges
which are smooth, but the inevitable not-smooth areas would bug the
living daylights out of me (was a lacquer sprayer in a past life --
sight down every flat surface to spot imperfections).

Another thing. You don't mention it, but the Practical Sailor review of
the Navy 44s does: All our through-bolt nuts are visible, not hidden.
No, it's not as purty, but if one of them starts leaking, I'll see
immediately.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/
Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:47:44 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

All our through-bolt nuts are visible, not hidden.

My old Cal-34 was like that. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.