On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:22:25 +0100, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote in alt.atheism:

My claim comes from 25 years of personal experience. I have lived and worked
all over Europe and I am telling you public health IS a failure everywhere.
Your opinion is based on what? Perhaps books, magazines, TV or was it some
idealist talking trash. Please note my previous comment about the American
biased media. You are being sucked in. Come over here and experiece the
failure yourself. Pay the 55% tax, experience the waiting lines or the
denial of treatment or a drug, because it isn't approved. Watch your
neighbor suffer for a year or more because there is no room in your
designated hospital or die because the appropriate treatment is too
expensive for a person of age. Public health is not the solution for
universal health. This lesson has been learned.
Steve

Your claims don't match the docomentation.

"Free Lunch" wrote in message
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On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 00:59:33 +0100, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote in alt.atheism:

June,
I do not dispute your observations, but they are too superficial and
incomplete. First there are no successful government supplied health
systems....anywhere.

You are flat out wrong not only do they work throughout the world but
they even work in the USA. Until the Bush Administration, intent on
proving that government cannot work by destroying the institutions that
did work, gutted the VA and military health systems, they were superior
to most other hospitals in the United States. I have no idea if your
claim came from ignorance or politically motivated dishonesty, though
the rest of your post implies that dishonesty was at work.

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Free Lunch wrote:
On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 02:22:25 +0100, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote in alt.atheism:

My claim comes from 25 years of personal experience. I have lived and worked
all over Europe and I am telling you public health IS a failure everywhere.
Your opinion is based on what? Perhaps books, magazines, TV or was it some
idealist talking trash. Please note my previous comment about the American
biased media. You are being sucked in. Come over here and experiece the
failure yourself. Pay the 55% tax, experience the waiting lines or the
denial of treatment or a drug, because it isn't approved. Watch your
neighbor suffer for a year or more because there is no room in your
designated hospital or die because the appropriate treatment is too
expensive for a person of age. Public health is not the solution for
universal health. This lesson has been learned.
Steve

Your claims don't match the docomentation.

Doesn't match my experience living my entire life in a country with
universal health care.

Everyone gets the same treatment. No one dies because they don't have
enough money. It may take longer to get elective or non-emergency
surgeries/appointments etc....but if it's an emergency, it gets treated
now. Cancer patients are not waiting months for chemo. They are not sent
home to die because they can't afford the medication or surgeries. My
mother's friend is in her 70s and has survived two bouts of breast
cancer. My father survived prostrate cancer. They still own their homes,
had their medications covered if it exceeded 10% of their income and now
live their lives as they did before they got sick.

A relative with leukemia survived it almost 30 years ago...getting an
"experimental treatment" called a bone marrow transplant. Today, in the
US, insurance companies will fight having to cover "experimental
treatment." If he were American, he'd be dead now.

I may have to wait for some things...six weeks for my knee surgery, for
example. But I knew I was going to get it. No fighting with insurance
companies. No worrying that they'd label anything "pre-existing." No
worry they would deny medications or the surgery itself.

I'll take universal health care over the US system any day!!!

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