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Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
"jgalt" wrote in message
... No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the Thief" whenever King Obama enters a room. Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's ONLY skill has been taking money from people who earned it and giving it to people who did NOT earn it. This is not appropriate for this newsgroup. However, it does bring up a question regarding the perspective of those that do not pay taxes. I'm trying to find out exactly what that phrase means when used in political campaigns and such. I take it it means that such receive some form of public assistance in regards to income, and, it also means a wage earner received all his/her taxes paid thoughout the year via an income tax return check per their filed income tax return. My perspective: I'm in my mid 50s regarding age. I've worked since I was 16 part-time, then full-time since I was 19. I was in the U.S. military for 20 years, then, went back to working a regular job. My income has always been less than the middle of the middle income bracket except for 2 years of my life. One year, my current ex-wife, and one child and I were considered borderline poverty level, with that one exception where I did not pay any taxes as I received all taxes paid via my employer via income tax return check. I've paid into the U.S. Treasury without full return of all my via employer paid taxes otherwise. My feeling is that the vast majority of working folks, like myself, do end up paying federal income taxes as a net result after the income tax return is filed. Further, I feel that most folks don't know about their neighbors and folks like them and who, in the final net analysis actually pay Federal income tax. Especially those trying to compare folks in widely varied tax brackets. They assume incorrectly. As a result, there's breeding ground for dividing people and using those invalid assumptions as motive for political gain by fostering those notions. There's a variety of notions in this formula that are really just false assumptions. Lower income working folks (all 3 subgroups inclusive in these) dont pay Federal income taxes in the final, net analysis is one of them. Another notion on the lower income group's perspective is the higher income group has full Federal income tax payment prevention by way of tax law. Such is a notion taken advantage of by the opposing polical party. The people in the middle, middle income taxpayers who are also voters, are asked to determine, by their own notions, which perspective is correct (if both correct, which is most correct) for that particular election cycle. My perspective is that a person needs hard data to make such determination of who is actually paying taxes, and if so, how much. I don't see why the IRS, by gross ncome level brackets vs. taxes actually paid, with a line item noting percentage of income actually taxes paid, can't produce figures for a basis of a logical decision of which notion is actually most correct. And a concurrent table showing how that's changed over the years noting the U.S. governemt designated poverty level in a given tax year for each year that table is provided for year to year comparison's sake. Nope, ain't gonna happen. Did you ever wonder why? -- Dave If it looks like fish, smells like fish, its not a cantaloupe. |
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Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
I don't normally reply to political posts, especially in NGs where they do
not belong, but I will make an exception to this one. I sincerely worry about our country when the people that elect our leaders are so massively uninformed. The population's exposure to a biased media and the media's propensity to edit by exclusion world news frightens the hell out of me. Of course, you say, I am talking about somebody else, that could not be me. Well, boys and girls, it is you. The person in the mirror you see in the morning. I refuse to label Americans as ignorant or stupid, as most of the rest of the word does, because it is far from the truth. However, if you do not feel insulted by the rhetoric spewed from the mouth of both candidates, you should be and it is indicative of the level of understanding in the general population. Please do your own simple arithmetic. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Everything has a cost, please ask yourself where the money will come from for the advertised programs being spouted and if you determine that there are no funds for these things, no matter how noble and righteous they may be, you must NOT trust anything else the candidate says. We are already in a terrible state with massive national, corporate and personal debt. If you think the sub-prime mortgage thing is big, think about personal credit card debt. It is even bigger. Remember, no man is truly free, if he is in debt. What are you going to do about it. Don't look somewhere else. Look in the mirror. Put a plan together and vote responsibly. Steve " |
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Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
Steve Lusardi wrote:
I don't normally reply to political posts, especially in NGs where they do not belong, but I will make an exception to this one. I sincerely worry about our country when the people that elect our leaders are so massively uninformed. The population's exposure to a biased media and the media's propensity to edit by exclusion world news frightens the hell out of me. Of course, you say, I am talking about somebody else, that could not be me. Well, boys and girls, it is you. The person in the mirror you see in the morning. I refuse to label Americans as ignorant or stupid, as most of the rest of the word does, because it is far from the truth. However, if you do not feel insulted by the rhetoric spewed from the mouth of both candidates, you should be and it is indicative of the level of understanding in the general population. Please do your own simple arithmetic. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Everything has a cost, please ask yourself where the money will come from for the advertised programs being spouted and if you determine that there are no funds for these things, no matter how noble and righteous they may be, you must NOT trust anything else the candidate says. We are already in a terrible state with massive national, corporate and personal debt. If you think the sub-prime mortgage thing is big, think about personal credit card debt. It is even bigger. Remember, no man is truly free, if he is in debt. What are you going to do about it. Don't look somewhere else. Look in the mirror. Put a plan together and vote responsibly. Steve I agree. However, there's one problem with that: The American politick is a "first passed the post, winner takes all" system, which pretty much guarantees a two-party system. As such, and because political advertising is NOT free, it also guarantees that only the richest candidates can even make it TO that "post". However, there's a difference in this election. The money that Obama is getting is NOT his own. It's from contributors. A lot of contributors. He is not using DNC money. Whereas, McCain is using a lot of money from the RNC. Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate. I will, however, vote for the person that I believe will be the better of the two (note that this isn't a "lesser of two evils" argument): I am voting for Barack Obama on November 4. -- ************************************************** **** * DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 * *----------------------------------------------------* * It has been said that Jesus died on a Friday and * * was resurrected on a Sunday. It is not so much * * that Jesus died for our sins, as he had a very * * bad weekend for them. * ************************************************** **** |
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Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
"wordsmith" wrote in message m... On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:49:19 -0700, someone posting as jgalt purportedly wrote: horse**** snipped You really need to **** off and go grow a brain. I'd betcha that's not going to happen soon. |
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Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
This thread was started by a stealth Obama supporter who wants us to
believe anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is too stupid to tie his own shoes. -paghat the ratgirl -- visit my temperate gardening website: http://www.paghat.com visit my film reviews website: http://www.weirdwildrealm.com |
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Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
On Nov 1, 6:07*am, clouddreamer
wrote: jgalt wrote: No doubt they will be playing "Hail to the Thief" whenever King Obama enters a room. Throughout his career, such as it is, Obama's ONLY skill has been taking money from people who earned it and giving it to people who did NOT earn it. What? You mean like McCain wanted to: Still can't get over your God's idiotic "spread the wealth around" comment? Continue crying and sobbing, infant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8EyGpOU3qM And don't forget Sarah Palin "spreading the wealth" * .. -- We must change the way we live * * * * Or the climate will do it for us. |
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Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate. I will, however, vote
for the person that I believe will be the better of the two (note that this isn't a "lesser of two evils" argument): Because he has no experience, has never authored and passed legislation and will turn to entrenched democrat political machinery (of the despicable Chicago kind) for all his work? That's a recipe for disaster. But you're too blind to see the big picture. The country, and likely the world, will be worse off for your myopia. |
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Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
"paghat" wrote in message ... This thread was started by a stealth Obama supporter who wants us to believe anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is too stupid to tie his own shoes. But Obama will fund a gov't program to tie them for you, so why bother? |
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Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
You show amazing ignorance. Maybe you ought to research Obamas
education, his honors at Harvard (1st Afro American to be appointed head of Harvard Law Review), his opting to not take all the big money jobs offered and decided for a career in service. He even taught constitutional law for a few years. 12 years in the Illinois legislature and a couple years as a US senatory. The man has character and intelligence. Things lacking in his opponent. Think on this: What if things were switched around.....think about it. Would the country's collective point of view be different? Could racism be the culprit? Ponder the following: What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class as did John McCain? What if McCain had only married once, and Obama was a divorcee? What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident, which McCain did.? What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair while he was still married, which McCain did.? What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization, instead of Cindy McCain? What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five and been chastised by his peers, as was McCain.? (The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.) What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker? What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter? What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes? What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many occasions, a serious anger management problem, including calling his wife a c**t in front of a group of reporters? What if Michelle Obama's family had made their millions from beer distribution? What if the Obamas had adopted a white child? What if Obama was 72 years old with 4 bouts of cancer behind him,who is periodically showing signs of confusion because of what some have said is the onset of dementia, and irresponsibly picked the least qualified VP choice and without even properly vetting her, as did McCain. You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are? This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference. Educational Background: Barack Obama: Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations. Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude Joseph Biden: University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science. Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.) vs. John McCain: United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899 Sarah Palin: Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester (left because she didn't like the weather) North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism Education isn't everything, but this is about the two highest offices in the land as well as our standing in the world. You make the call. June |
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Obama as president: The Commander and Thief
Bill Kearney wrote:
Let me be clear: I do not trust either candidate. I will, however, vote for the person that I believe will be the better of the two (note that this isn't a "lesser of two evils" argument): Because he has no experience, has never authored and passed legislation and will turn to entrenched democrat political machinery (of the despicable Chicago kind) for all his work? That's a recipe for disaster. But you're too blind to see the big picture. The country, and likely the world, will be worse off for your myopia. Lincoln had no experience either. We all know how that turned out. George Bush had executive experience. We all know how that turned out. Frankly, the fact that Obama has run one of the most exceptionally successful campaigns in history while McCain's campaign has floundered miserably, says more about Obama's ability to lead the US than anything else. .. -- We must change the way we live Or the climate will do it for us. |
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