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"ray lunder" wrote in message ... Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat 42' Wauquiez Centurion a.. Year: 1991 b.. Current Price: Can$ 179,900 c.. Located in Vancouver, BC d.. Hull Material: Fiberglass e.. Engine/Fuel Type: Single Diesel f.. YW# 3744-1779480 Details at: http://www.fraseryachtsales.com/ |
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Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us
buck per foot. Any ideas? Techniques? I've tried 38/48 north and craigslist so far. Most of these are worn out craft from the 60/70's in need of major refit or were never cruise equiped in the first place. To cruise equip a boat at present "boatyard" or "west marine" cost is prohibitive. I'm in washington state, usa but don't mind flying somewhere. You'd think with all these bank problems people would be forced to sell luxury items. Are we going to see a 70's style bargain hunter season any time soon? Please don't let this degrade into a political thread, I just want to buy a boat. What's a person with ready cash to do? |
Deals on bluewater boats yet?
"ray lunder" wrote in message ... Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. Any ideas? Techniques? I've tried 38/48 north and craigslist so far. Most of these are worn out craft from the 60/70's in need of major refit or were never cruise equiped in the first place. To cruise equip a boat at present "boatyard" or "west marine" cost is prohibitive. I'm in washington state, usa but don't mind flying somewhere. You'd think with all these bank problems people would be forced to sell luxury items. Are we going to see a 70's style bargain hunter season any time soon? Please don't let this degrade into a political thread, I just want to buy a boat. What's a person with ready cash to do? $30-$40 for a cruising sailboat? Have we estimated that correctly? Do you mean $30K-$40K? Dennis. |
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:03:43 -0000, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote: .... $30-$40 for a cruising sailboat? Have we estimated that correctly? Do you mean $30K-$40K? Dennis. 40 boat bucks, I imagine Brian W |
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Ray,
I am afraid that you are a bit optimistic about finding a decent cruising boat for $1K/foot. I would think that $2-3K/foot is more realistic. I do not think that most of us cruising sailors will sell our boats during these hard financial times. We may sell our homes/wives/kids/stuff and keep our boats. Cheers Ansley Sawyer SV Pacem |
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ray lunder wrote:
Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. Any ideas? Techniques? I've tried 38/48 north and craigslist so far. Most of these are worn out craft from the 60/70's in need of major refit or were never cruise equiped in the first place. To cruise equip a boat at present "boatyard" or "west marine" cost is prohibitive. I'm in washington state, usa but don't mind flying somewhere. You'd think with all these bank problems people would be forced to sell luxury items. Are we going to see a 70's style bargain hunter season any time soon? Please don't let this degrade into a political thread, I just want to buy a boat. What's a person with ready cash to do? Take a look at www.sailingtexas.com. -- Richard (remove the X to email) |
Deals on bluewater boats yet?
ray lunder wrote:
Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. Any ideas? Techniques? I've tried 38/48 north and craigslist so far. Most of these are worn out craft from the 60/70's in need of major refit or were never cruise equiped in the first place. To cruise equip a boat at present "boatyard" or "west marine" cost is prohibitive. I'm in washington state, usa but don't mind flying somewhere. You'd think with all these bank problems people would be forced to sell luxury items. Are we going to see a 70's style bargain hunter season any time soon? Please don't let this degrade into a political thread, I just want to buy a boat. What's a person with ready cash to do? Try looking around Galveston Bay. There's probably a few hurricane salvage boats that have large holes in the hull you can get for a bargain. Otherwise, go troll elsewhere. |
Deals on bluewater boats yet?
ray lunder wrote:
Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. Any ideas? Techniques? I've tried 38/48 north and craigslist so far. Most of these are worn out craft from the 60/70's in need of major refit or were never cruise equiped in the first place. To cruise equip a boat at present "boatyard" or "west marine" cost is prohibitive. I'm in washington state, usa but don't mind flying somewhere. You'd think with all these bank problems people would be forced to sell luxury items. Are we going to see a 70's style bargain hunter season any time soon? Please don't let this degrade into a political thread, I just want to buy a boat. What's a person with ready cash to do? Older boats are in this range including some excellently made ones. I'll start you with Westsail 32 and then Pearsons or Cape Dorys. You are just a bit light for a ready to go boat, but there are plenty which need some spiffying up which are out there. Finding them is easy. To start online, go to yachtworld.com, put in your spec's and then just browse away. |
Deals on bluewater boats yet?
"ray lunder" wrote in message ... Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. Any ideas? Techniques? I've tried 38/48 north and craigslist so far. Most of these are worn out craft from the 60/70's in need of major refit or were never cruise equiped in the first place. To cruise equip a boat at present "boatyard" or "west marine" cost is prohibitive. I'm in washington state, usa but don't mind flying somewhere. You'd think with all these bank problems people would be forced to sell luxury items. Are we going to see a 70's style bargain hunter season any time soon? Please don't let this degrade into a political thread, I just want to buy a boat. What's a person with ready cash to do? Coronado 27s will always get top dollar regardless of market conditions. |
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 23:55:47 -0800, ray lunder
wrote: Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. Any ideas? Techniques? I've tried 38/48 north and craigslist so far. Most of these are worn out craft from the 60/70's in need of major refit or were never cruise equiped in the first place. To cruise equip a boat at present "boatyard" or "west marine" cost is prohibitive. I'm in washington state, usa but don't mind flying somewhere. You'd think with all these bank problems people would be forced to sell luxury items. Are we going to see a 70's style bargain hunter season any time soon? Please don't let this degrade into a political thread, I just want to buy a boat. What's a person with ready cash to do? Spend some time prowling Yacht World and remember that those are "asking" prices. Everything is highly negotiable. The used boat capitol of the world is Ft Lauderdale/South Florida. There are lots of 30 something boats in your price range but not many 40s unless they need a *lot* of work. Prices increase in non-linear proportion to length. Weight/displacement is a better indicator. The time to buy is probably right now. In the mid to late 70s inflation took hold in a big way and the price of used boats actually appreciated for a while, priced in dollars. It was an illusion however because the price of new boats increased even more. This scenario is likely to repeat itself several years down the road. What ever you buy, plan on spending at least half again as much, quite possibly more, to get it back up to reliable, cruise-ready condition. A more realistic price point for a good 40 footer ready to cruise is in the range of $100K. After that, plan on spending at least $10K per year just on boat upgrades and maintenance. |
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"Ansley W. Sawyer" wrote in message
... Ray, I am afraid that you are a bit optimistic about finding a decent cruising boat for $1K/foot. I would think that $2-3K/foot is more realistic. I do not think that most of us cruising sailors will sell our boats during these hard financial times. We may sell our homes/wives/kids/stuff and keep our boats. Cheers Ansley Sawyer SV Pacem Got my Sabre 30 for under that by far... figuring with the upgrades, it was about over $1.5K per foot -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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ray lunder wrote: Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. Any ideas? Techniques? I've tried 38/48 north and craigslist so far. Most of these are worn out craft from the 60/70's in need of major refit or were never cruise equiped in the first place. To cruise equip a boat at present "boatyard" or "west marine" cost is prohibitive. I'm in washington state, usa but don't mind flying somewhere. You'd think with all these bank problems people would be forced to sell luxury items. Are we going to see a 70's style bargain hunter season any time soon? Please don't let this degrade into a political thread, I just want to buy a boat. What's a person with ready cash to do? My wife has just told me she doesn't want to liveaboard and cruise the Carib... so my 40' is for sale.. $35K, surveyed at $58K in '05. Pics on the web page under my nick.. -- Molesworth http://www.stcustards.free-online.co.uk/ |
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message ... "ray lunder" wrote in message ... Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. Any ideas? Techniques? I've tried 38/48 north and craigslist so far. Most of these are worn out craft from the 60/70's in need of major refit or were never cruise equiped in the first place. To cruise equip a boat at present "boatyard" or "west marine" cost is prohibitive. I'm in washington state, usa but don't mind flying somewhere. You'd think with all these bank problems people would be forced to sell luxury items. Are we going to see a 70's style bargain hunter season any time soon? Please don't let this degrade into a political thread, I just want to buy a boat. What's a person with ready cash to do? Coronado 27s will always get top dollar regardless of market conditions. You'll not easily find any examples of that fine blue water capable vessel on the selling block. People who own them are so pleased with them that they just keep sailing them and upgrading them until the day they die. The only Coronado 27s you'll see for sail have been neglected and abused by ignorant sailors who could break an anvil. Whitaker Yachts produced over 1200 Coronado 27s and at any given time at least half of those are plying the oceans of the world taking good care of their crew. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 09:56:47 -0600, "Charles Momsen"
wrote: "ray lunder" wrote in message .. . Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. Any ideas? Techniques? I've tried 38/48 north and craigslist so far. Most of these are worn out craft from the 60/70's in need of major refit or were never cruise equiped in the first place. To cruise equip a boat at present "boatyard" or "west marine" cost is prohibitive. I'm in washington state, usa but don't mind flying somewhere. You'd think with all these bank problems people would be forced to sell luxury items. Are we going to see a 70's style bargain hunter season any time soon? Please don't let this degrade into a political thread, I just want to buy a boat. What's a person with ready cash to do? Coronado 27s will always get top dollar regardless of market conditions. Well, they will at least come quite close to the specified $1 a foot in the OP's query. |
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Molesworth wrote:
In article , ray lunder wrote: Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. Any ideas? Techniques? I've tried 38/48 north and craigslist so far. Most of these are worn out craft from the 60/70's in need of major refit or were never cruise equiped in the first place. To cruise equip a boat at present "boatyard" or "west marine" cost is prohibitive. I'm in washington state, usa but don't mind flying somewhere. You'd think with all these bank problems people would be forced to sell luxury items. Are we going to see a 70's style bargain hunter season any time soon? Please don't let this degrade into a political thread, I just want to buy a boat. What's a person with ready cash to do? My wife has just told me she doesn't want to liveaboard and cruise the Carib... so my 40' is for sale.. $35K, surveyed at $58K in '05. Pics on the web page under my nick.. Late Sunday afternoon at the Annapolis Sailboat show I sauntered up to a nice lady at at well know catamaran dealer. Smugly I said "How's business? Quite grim I presume." "No, not at all, much interest and have sold a few. Seems people want to get something tangible for their money before it goes away." So there you have it, people would rather invest in "hole in the water you pour money into" as safer than a bank. Grim outlook. I think in a while things will change, but for now, no. |
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In article , Molesworth wrote:
In article , ray lunder wrote: Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. Any ideas? Techniques? I've tried 38/48 north and craigslist so far. Most of these are worn out craft from the 60/70's in need of major refit or were never cruise equiped in the first place. To cruise equip a boat at present "boatyard" or "west marine" cost is prohibitive. I'm in washington state, usa but don't mind flying somewhere. You'd think with all these bank problems people would be forced to sell luxury items. Are we going to see a 70's style bargain hunter season any time soon? Please don't let this degrade into a political thread, I just want to buy a boat. What's a person with ready cash to do? My wife has just told me she doesn't want to liveaboard and cruise the Carib... so my 40' is for sale.. $35K, surveyed at $58K in '05. Pics on the web page under my nick.. Nope, I must be dense, all I'm finding is St. Custards. Go on, give us a clue. Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. |
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Justin C wrote: In article , Molesworth wrote: In article , ray lunder wrote: Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. My wife has just told me she doesn't want to liveaboard and cruise the Carib... so my 40' is for sale.. $35K, surveyed at $58K in '05. Pics on the web page under my nick.. Nope, I must be dense, all I'm finding is St. Custards. Go on, give us a clue. Sorry Justin. I meant the ng members website.. although I'll put the pics up somewhere today and post it here.. I'm in no rush (in fact I won't mind if I keep it - love it to bits).. Oh, and it is 1980 and has a '05 Yanmar 4cyl diesel and transmission.. -- Molesworth http://www.stcustards.free-online.co.uk/ |
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:17:19 -0500, Brian Whatcott
wrote: I sampled price versus length from offers at SailboatTraderOnline, for the names initialized by A thru G (Allmand, Beneteau, Cal, Dufour, Endeavour, Fountain, Grampian, Hunter) ..and planted the list of lengths versus boat bucks into NLREG (a non linear regression tool.) This came up with Price in boat bucks = [ 0.115 times Length in feet ] cubed. The fit is not particularly great (It explains 0.43 of the variance) but it is plausible for a random sample of boats, so for a 20 ft pay $12.2K 30 ft pay $41K 40 ft pay $97.3 K 50ft pay $190 K Try it again based on price per pound and I'll bet that it is close to a linear fit. New boat prices range from $20 to$30/lb and older used boats anywhere from $2 to $5. |
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In article , Molesworth wrote:
In article , Justin C wrote: In article , Molesworth wrote: In article , ray lunder wrote: Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. My wife has just told me she doesn't want to liveaboard and cruise the Carib... so my 40' is for sale.. $35K, surveyed at $58K in '05. Pics on the web page under my nick.. Nope, I must be dense, all I'm finding is St. Custards. Go on, give us a clue. Sorry Justin. I meant the ng members website.. although I'll put the pics up somewhere today and post it here.. I'm in no rush (in fact I won't mind if I keep it - love it to bits).. Oh, and it is 1980 and has a '05 Yanmar 4cyl diesel and transmission.. There's a rec.boats.cruising web-site? Now I *am* confused. Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. |
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Justin C wrote: In article , Molesworth wrote: In article , Justin C wrote: In article , Molesworth wrote: In article , ray lunder wrote: Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. My wife has just told me she doesn't want to liveaboard and cruise the Carib... so my 40' is for sale.. $35K, surveyed at $58K in '05. Pics on the web page under my nick.. Nope, I must be dense, all I'm finding is St. Custards. Go on, give us a clue. Sorry Justin. I meant the ng members website.. although I'll put the pics up somewhere today and post it here.. I'm in no rush (in fact I won't mind if I keep it - love it to bits).. Oh, and it is 1980 and has a '05 Yanmar 4cyl diesel and transmission.. There's a rec.boats.cruising web-site? Now I *am* confused. Justin. (sigh).. OK, just for you.. I've created this extravaganza: www.flickr.com/photos/ukmole/ Public. so you'll see the craft in all its glory! -- Molesworth http://www.stcustards.free-online.co.uk/ |
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Molesworth wrote: www.flickr.com/photos/ukmole/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/ukmole/ -- Molesworth http://www.stcustards.free-online.co.uk/ |
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Molesworth wrote:
In article , Molesworth wrote: www.flickr.com/photos/ukmole/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/ukmole/ How's this for a real deal. Of course it is French! http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...g_id=1012&url= |
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:52:33 -0800, Gordon wrote:
How's this for a real deal. Of course it is French! http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...g_id=1012&url= Nice looking boat priced to sell but a bit drafty at 7.5 ft for serious cruising in many places. |
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Gordon wrote: Molesworth wrote: In article , Molesworth wrote: www.flickr.com/photos/ukmole/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/ukmole/ How's this for a real deal. Of course it is French! http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...lim=broker&boa t_id=1754260&checked_boats=1754260&hosturl=sas&&yw o=sas&&ybw=&units=Feet&acces s=Public&listing_id=1012&url= Yep! $110,000 - Nope -- Molesworth http://www.stcustards.free-online.co.uk/ |
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ray lunder wrote:
Looking for a used cruise equiped 30-40 foot sailboat for approx a us buck per foot. Any ideas? Techniques? I've tried 38/48 north and craigslist so far. Try Ebay http://motors.shop.ebay.com/items/_Sailboats__sailboats Most of the "asking prices" and/or reserves are on the high side (by a lot), but check closed sales on boats similar to what you like. I think you can find a wide variety of good deals but it always takes dilignce to seperate a really good deal from a cheap boat that ends up being a bad deal. .... To cruise equip a boat at present "boatyard" or "west marine" cost is prohibitive. In that case, you should examine the strong possibility that your eyes are bigger than your wallet. If you can't afford to outfit a boat the way you want it, what makes you think you'll be able to afford to maintain it? Either set your sights on a smaller boat or a simpler fit- out. And as always, time equals money. The more time & effort you put into hunting for bargains among good equipment, and rebuilding & installing it yourself, the less cash you have to lay out. And of course, the less time you have for sailing. .... You'd think with all these bank problems people would be forced to sell luxury items. The only people "forced" to sell are the ones who can't afford the payments, and they probably didn't buy the kind of serious cruising boat you're looking for. OTOH it may be rewarding to look around among bank seizures, although banks are notorious for setting unrealistic asking prices for houses, cars, boats, etc etc that are upside-down with regard to market value versus outstanding loan balance. .... Please don't let this degrade into a political thread, I just want to buy a boat. What's a person with ready cash to do? Look harder & in more places. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Molesworth wrote:
In article , Gordon wrote: Molesworth wrote: In article , Molesworth wrote: www.flickr.com/photos/ukmole/ or http://www.flickr.com/photos/ukmole/ How's this for a real deal. Of course it is French! http://www.yachtworld.com/core/listi...lim=broker&boa t_id=1754260&checked_boats=1754260&hosturl=sas&&yw o=sas&&ybw=&units=Feet&acces s=Public&listing_id=1012&url= Yep! $110,000 - Nope I can understand if this is above your budget, as it is mine, but, this is one hell of a boat! Gordon BTW check ebay, some good buys right now! |
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