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Brandon Irons October 22nd 08 12:32 AM

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Obama is a better man for the war on terrorism, for a very simple
reason. It is not just bombs that deter terrorists, but also
improvement in the condition of the lives of people in Middle East
and better view of the Western world. Terrorists feed off two twin
problems: Bad conditions and ill will toward the West. And it is by
addressing the two, convincingly and effectively, that the spell of
jihadism can be broken over the people of Middle East.

The Australian army has figured this out, and is doing the right thing
in Afghanistan. Not only are they involved, as all armies on the
ground, in the military operations against Taliban, but they also are
building schools for children and training adults in skills such as
carpentry. In this they are tackling the two root problems. They are
giving people a chance at a better future, and they are building
goodwill in the people toward the West. That makes the people a lot
less likely to believe or join entities such as the Taliban.

Whereas Republican Party's policies are completely blind to this
obvious dynamic. They just want to come in, shoot up the place, and
declare victory. Then they want to claim that the hatred that Middle
East has toward America is because of its freedoms. That is false.
While the jihadists do in fact hate everything that is not Sharia, the
people support them because of the blindness, arrogance, greed,
irresponsibility and stupidity of Republican policies in the region.

The Reagan administration encouraged Islamism in Middle East as part
of its war against Communism. What made them believe that Islamists
would be more partial to USA than the Communists? Either it was a huge
oversight, or we are seeing genuine wrongdoing. And why would McCain,
who has similar ideas on these matters as did Reagan, solve the
problem instead of adding to it?

America armed and trained mujahedeen against USSR. When USSR withdrew,
American policymakers forgot that Afghanistan existed. It was not long
before these same people turned their guns away from USSR, which no
longer was on the map, to USA, which was. The people felt used and
betrayed. This gave a fertile ground for jihadists, whose tactic has
been to feed off any sentiment against the West or any part of the
West and use it to turn people into terrorists.

Indeed the terrorists have done this: Infiltrate any constituency that
has a problem with West or with Israel or with government. Goal? Turn
them all into Sharia thugs. Republican policies do not begin to
address this problem, as they are focused solely on military action.
But to truly end terrorism, it is necessary to also remove the true
infrastructure for supporting terrorism: Ill will toward the West, and
bad living conditions, of people in Middle East.

To succeed over the long term, any anti-terrorist action requires that
people in Middle East be given good view of the West as well as a
chance at a better existence. And while neither Democrats nor
Republicans are advocating that the war against Al Qaeda and Taliban
be brought to a halt, in order to create and win the peace it is
requisite to apply approach similar to one that is being taken by
Australian forces in the region. It is necessary to win the war; it is
also necessary to secure the peace. And that can only come from action
that benefits people on the ground as effectively as it combats the
militants in the hills.



Charles Momsen October 22nd 08 03:59 AM

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http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=25229



KLC Lewis October 22nd 08 05:57 AM

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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=25229


And Hussein was removed from power some five years ago. What's your point?



Capt. JG October 22nd 08 06:16 AM

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=25229


And Hussein was removed from power some five years ago. What's your point?



Trolling....

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Charles Momsen October 22nd 08 02:58 PM

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=25229


And Hussein was removed from power some five years ago. What's your point?


The US military has been building schools and infrastructure in the Middle
East for years and not just Iraq. Also, certain segments of the military
focus on winning the hearts and minds of the people. To claim that this will
come about as a result of Obama getting elected isn't true.

http://www.defendamerica.mil/article...062006dg2.html






Charles Momsen October 22nd 08 02:59 PM

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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http://www.defenselink.mil/news/news....aspx?id=25229


And Hussein was removed from power some five years ago. What's your
point?



Trolling....

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Your point is to make an public ass of yourself. You're doing a great job.



wordsmith October 22nd 08 03:09 PM

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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:58:01 -0600, someone posting as Charles Momsen
purportedly wrote:

The US military has been building schools and infrastructure in the
Middle East for years and not just Iraq. Also, certain segments of the
military focus on winning the hearts and minds of the people.


Unfortunately,hunting down and killing the older brothers, fathers and
uncles of the kids going to the schools built, kind of gets in the way of
winning their hearts and minds...but continue to delude yourself if you
like.

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if it was easy, everyone would do it

KLC Lewis October 22nd 08 04:36 PM

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"wordsmith" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:58:01 -0600, someone posting as Charles Momsen
purportedly wrote:

The US military has been building schools and infrastructure in the
Middle East for years and not just Iraq. Also, certain segments of the
military focus on winning the hearts and minds of the people.


Unfortunately,hunting down and killing the older brothers, fathers and
uncles of the kids going to the schools built, kind of gets in the way of
winning their hearts and minds...but continue to delude yourself if you
like.

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if it was easy, everyone would do it


Not to mention their sisters, mothers, daughters...



Capt. JG October 22nd 08 05:50 PM

Australia and Obama
 
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"wordsmith" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:58:01 -0600, someone posting as Charles Momsen
purportedly wrote:

The US military has been building schools and infrastructure in the
Middle East for years and not just Iraq. Also, certain segments of the
military focus on winning the hearts and minds of the people.


Unfortunately,hunting down and killing the older brothers, fathers and
uncles of the kids going to the schools built, kind of gets in the way of
winning their hearts and minds...but continue to delude yourself if you
like.

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if it was easy, everyone would do it


Not to mention their sisters, mothers, daughters...



Well, looks like we're out of there by January 1st anyway.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/10...qi_opposition/


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Charles Momsen October 22nd 08 06:59 PM

Australia and Obama
 

"wordsmith" wrote in message
m...
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:58:01 -0600, someone posting as Charles Momsen
purportedly wrote:

The US military has been building schools and infrastructure in the
Middle East for years and not just Iraq. Also, certain segments of the
military focus on winning the hearts and minds of the people.


Unfortunately,hunting down and killing the older brothers, fathers and
uncles of the kids going to the schools built, kind of gets in the way of
winning their hearts and minds...but continue to delude yourself if you
like.



I actually agree.

Would you vote for a presidential candidate that promises increasing troops
and killing in Afghanistan and promises to invade Pakistan to kill even
more?

I wouldn't.



KLC Lewis October 22nd 08 09:57 PM

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...

Well, looks like we're out of there by January 1st anyway.

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/10...qi_opposition/


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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Well, we give lip-service to the idea that Iraq is a sovereign nation with a
popularly-elected government. If that sovereign nation tells us to get the
hell out, then get out we must -- or declare war again. Or first. Whatever.



KLC Lewis October 22nd 08 09:59 PM

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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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Would you vote for a presidential candidate that promises increasing
troops and killing in Afghanistan and promises to invade Pakistan to kill
even more?

I wouldn't.


Both McCain and Obama support more troops in Afghanistan, and both state
that they would pursue terrorists into Pakistan if the situation called for
it. Neither has "promised" to invade Pakistan. Only McCain has sung songs
about bombing Iran.



Capt. JG October 22nd 08 11:31 PM

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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Would you vote for a presidential candidate that promises increasing
troops and killing in Afghanistan and promises to invade Pakistan to kill
even more?

I wouldn't.


Both McCain and Obama support more troops in Afghanistan, and both state
that they would pursue terrorists into Pakistan if the situation called
for it. Neither has "promised" to invade Pakistan. Only McCain has sung
songs about bombing Iran.



Apparently McCain now has the support of Bin Laden...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_136941.html

Oops... I meant this one....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_136779.html


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www.sailnow.com




Charles Momsen October 23rd 08 02:35 AM

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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Would you vote for a presidential candidate that promises increasing
troops and killing in Afghanistan and promises to invade Pakistan to kill
even more?

I wouldn't.


Both McCain and Obama support more troops in Afghanistan, and both state
that they would pursue terrorists into Pakistan if the situation called
for it. Neither has "promised" to invade Pakistan. Only McCain has sung
songs about bombing Iran.


Obama has promised to invade Pakistan. Are you saying his word is less than
a promise?



Charles Momsen October 23rd 08 02:36 AM

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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Would you vote for a presidential candidate that promises increasing
troops and killing in Afghanistan and promises to invade Pakistan to kill
even more?

I wouldn't.


Both McCain and Obama support more troops in Afghanistan, and both state
that they would pursue terrorists into Pakistan if the situation called
for it. Neither has "promised" to invade Pakistan. Only McCain has sung
songs about bombing Iran.


So which war monger are you rooting for?



KLC Lewis October 23rd 08 02:55 PM

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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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Obama has promised to invade Pakistan. Are you saying his word is less
than a promise?


No, I'm saying that you are a liar.



KLC Lewis October 23rd 08 02:56 PM

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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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So which war monger are you rooting for?


Ron Paul.



Charles Momsen October 23rd 08 05:46 PM

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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Obama has promised to invade Pakistan. Are you saying his word is less
than a promise?


No, I'm saying that you are a liar.


That's interesting.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Story?id=3434573&page=1

"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges," Obama said,
"but let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those
mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again.
It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an
al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence
about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we
will."


So explain the lie.



Charles Momsen October 23rd 08 05:46 PM

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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So which war monger are you rooting for?


Ron Paul.


You're a liar.



KLC Lewis October 23rd 08 09:12 PM

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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges," Obama
said, "but let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those
mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again.
It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out
an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence
about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we
will."


So explain the lie.


You stated that "Obama has promised to invade Pakistan." That is a flat lie,
as your quote of his speech proves. "If we have actionable intelligence
about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we
will," is not a "promise" to invade Pakistan. Which you know. You are
deliberately misrespresenting Obama's position, which makes you a liar.



KLC Lewis October 23rd 08 09:12 PM

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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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So which war monger are you rooting for?


Ron Paul.


You're a liar.


Really. Prove it.



Charles Momsen October 23rd 08 09:46 PM

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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So which war monger are you rooting for?


Ron Paul.


You're a liar.


Really. Prove it.


Ron Paul is not a war monger, you claim to support him as a war monger.



Charles Momsen October 23rd 08 10:09 PM

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges," Obama
said, "but let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those
mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike
again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to
take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable
intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf
won't act, we will."


So explain the lie.


You stated that "Obama has promised to invade Pakistan." That is a flat
lie, as your quote of his speech proves. "If we have actionable
intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf
won't act, we
will," is not a "promise" to invade Pakistan. Which you know. You are
deliberately misrespresenting Obama's position, which makes you a liar.


I did not state that Obama would unconditionally invade Pakistan.

promise:
1.. To make a declaration assuring that something will or will not be
done.
"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and
President Musharraf won't act, we will,"


invade:


1.To enter by force in order to conquer or pillage.
2.To encroach or intrude on; violate:
1.. To overrun as if by invading; infest:
2.. To enter and permeate, especially harmfully.

"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and
President Musharraf won't act, we will,"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2182955.ece

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTwUA...eature=related

So he said he is not going to go into Pakistan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw2XT...eature=related





KLC Lewis October 23rd 08 10:32 PM

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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
...

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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So which war monger are you rooting for?


Ron Paul.


You're a liar.


Really. Prove it.


Ron Paul is not a war monger, you claim to support him as a war monger.


You are an idiot. Plonk.



Charles Momsen October 23rd 08 10:43 PM

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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So which war monger are you rooting for?

Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is not a war monger.


You are an idiot.



Sums it up nicely.



Gregory Hall October 23rd 08 10:49 PM

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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges," Obama
said, "but let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in
those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to
strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a
chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have
actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President
Musharraf won't act, we will."


So explain the lie.


You stated that "Obama has promised to invade Pakistan." That is a flat
lie, as your quote of his speech proves. "If we have actionable
intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf
won't act, we
will," is not a "promise" to invade Pakistan. Which you know. You are
deliberately misrespresenting Obama's position, which makes you a liar.


I did not state that Obama would unconditionally invade Pakistan.

promise:
1.. To make a declaration assuring that something will or will not be
done.
"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and
President Musharraf won't act, we will,"


invade:


1.To enter by force in order to conquer or pillage.
2.To encroach or intrude on; violate:
1.. To overrun as if by invading; infest:
2.. To enter and permeate, especially harmfully.

"If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and
President Musharraf won't act, we will,"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2182955.ece

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTwUA...eature=related

So he said he is not going to go into Pakistan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw2XT...eature=related



SMACKDOWN!



Gregory Hall October 23rd 08 10:55 PM

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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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So which war monger are you rooting for?

Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is not a war monger.


You are an idiot.



Sums it up nicely.


He couldn't stand it that you smacked him down so thoroughly in the "Obama
promising to invade Pakistan" discussion.

The liberal modus operandi involves three things:

1) remain ignorant of the facts as long as you can,
2) when someone points out the facts prove you are wrong then..
3) yell LIAR or...
4) run away.

--
Gregory Hall




KLC Lewis October 23rd 08 11:28 PM

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"Gregory Hall" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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So which war monger are you rooting for?

Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is not a war monger.

You are an idiot.



Sums it up nicely.


He couldn't stand it that you smacked him down so thoroughly in the "Obama
promising to invade Pakistan" discussion.

The liberal modus operandi involves three things:

1) remain ignorant of the facts as long as you can,
2) when someone points out the facts prove you are wrong then..
3) yell LIAR or...
4) run away.

--
Gregory Hall


Actually it's "she," and I simply got tired of dealing with blatant
obtuseness. The fact remains that Obama has exactly the same policy
regarding Pakistan as McCain: IF terrorists are hiding in Pakistan; IF the
Pakistani government refuses to pursue them; and IF we have "actionable
intelligence" which gives us reason to belive we know where they are and
that a strike against them would be successful, we should act.

Now if you want to take that as a "promise" that we will "invade" Pakistan,
you go right ahead and do so. But it's a stretch at best. And to state that
Obama has "promised to invade Pakistan" while leaving out the fact that his
position is identical to McCain's is duplicitous and deceitful. In short, it
is a lie.

Just another "liberal" Ron Paul supporter.
Karin



Gregory Hall October 23rd 08 11:47 PM

Australia and Obama
 

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"Gregory Hall" wrote in message
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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...


So which war monger are you rooting for?

Ron Paul.

Ron Paul is not a war monger.

You are an idiot.


Sums it up nicely.


He couldn't stand it that you smacked him down so thoroughly in the
"Obama promising to invade Pakistan" discussion.

The liberal modus operandi involves three things:

1) remain ignorant of the facts as long as you can,
2) when someone points out the facts prove you are wrong then..
3) yell LIAR or...
4) run away.

--
Gregory Hall


Actually it's "she," and I simply got tired of dealing with blatant
obtuseness. The fact remains that Obama has exactly the same policy
regarding Pakistan as McCain: IF terrorists are hiding in Pakistan; IF the
Pakistani government refuses to pursue them; and IF we have "actionable
intelligence" which gives us reason to belive we know where they are and
that a strike against them would be successful, we should act.

Now if you want to take that as a "promise" that we will "invade"
Pakistan, you go right ahead and do so. But it's a stretch at best. And to
state that Obama has "promised to invade Pakistan" while leaving out the
fact that his position is identical to McCain's is duplicitous and
deceitful. In short, it is a lie.


Should have know he was dealing with a female . . . My bad!

Extend your logic a little further, Sweetie, and you will see how absurd
your argument really is.

You contend it is a lie to leave out information that does not include
McCain's stance so let's run with that.

I can then say YOU are a liar because you left out the stances of Gloria La
Riva, Chuck Baldwin, Gene Amondson, Bob Barr, Thomas Stevens, James, Harris,
Cynthia McKinney, Alan Keyes, Ralph Nader, Brian Moore and Charles Jay who
are ALL running for President of the United States and are on the ballot at
this time.


Just another "liberal" Ron Paul supporter.
Karin


Ron Paul would have to be a write-in . . .

Are you sure YOU are informed enough to vote? I would think any sane woman
would be voting for Sarah Palin/John McCain.

--
Gregory Hall



KLC Lewis October 23rd 08 11:57 PM

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"Gregory Hall" wrote in message
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Ron Paul would have to be a write-in . . .


And?


Are you sure YOU are informed enough to vote? I would think any sane
woman would be voting for Sarah Palin/John McCain.

--
Gregory Hall


There is a strong possibility that John McCain would die within his first
term of office -- he's in horrible health. That means that Sarah Palin would
become President sometime within the next four years. Sorry, but I'm not
ready for a right-wing fundamentalist Christian theocracy. I also must
disqualify anyone from serving as president who cannot pronounce the word,
"nuclear."

Had McCain chosen a running mate who is qualified to serve as president, I
might have considered voting for him. As it stands, however, no.

Just another insane liberal Ron Paul supporter,
Karin



Charles Momsen October 24th 08 12:08 AM

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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Now if you want to take that as a "promise" that we will "invade"
Pakistan, you go right ahead and do so. But it's a stretch at best.



And to state that Obama has "promised to invade Pakistan" while leaving out
the fact that his position is identical to McCain's is duplicitous and
deceitful. In short, it is a lie.



If I point out that a certain tomato on the vine is yellow (and it is), is
it then a lie because I didn't point out the tomato on the other vine is
green?

The deceit lay wholly within yourself. You are making unstated assumptions
about another person's reasoning that seriously impair your ability to
engage in any form of rational discussion.

For the record I'm a Ron Paul supporter and have been so since he was first
elected to office and voted for him when he first ran for president decades
ago.

Now who is duplicitous?




Gregory Hall October 24th 08 12:35 AM

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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
et...

"Gregory Hall" wrote in message
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Ron Paul would have to be a write-in . . .


And?


Are you sure YOU are informed enough to vote? I would think any sane
woman would be voting for Sarah Palin/John McCain.

--
Gregory Hall


There is a strong possibility that John McCain would die within his first
term of office -- he's in horrible health. That means that Sarah Palin
would become President sometime within the next four years. Sorry, but I'm
not ready for a right-wing fundamentalist Christian theocracy. I also must
disqualify anyone from serving as president who cannot pronounce the word,
"nuclear."


Too late! Bush couldn't say it right either. ;-)

But, you don't really think any president could create a theocracy do you?
That means you'd rather have a man who CAN and WILL TRY to turn the country
into a socialist country over a woman who could not turn the country into a
theocracy?

See what I mean about female logic? It's just not logical.


Had McCain chosen a running mate who is qualified to serve as president, I
might have considered voting for him. As it stands, however, no.


Palin is more qualified than Obama by virtue of her greater executive
experience. He has NONE she has years of it. Your ONLY choice is between
your unfounded fears of what you irrationally fear Palin *might* do IF or
what Obama SAYs he will do IF. You're supporting a Marxist by not supporting
McCain/Palin. It's that simple. You are unpatriotic.

--
Gregory Hall



KLC Lewis October 24th 08 01:16 AM

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"Gregory Hall" wrote in message
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Palin is more qualified than Obama by virtue of her greater executive
experience. He has NONE she has years of it. Your ONLY choice is between
your unfounded fears of what you irrationally fear Palin *might* do IF or
what Obama SAYs he will do IF. You're supporting a Marxist by not
supporting McCain/Palin. It's that simple. You are unpatriotic.

--
Gregory Hall


What can I say? Obviously, I hate America and want to see it invaded by
communists. Oh, and you forgot to say that Obama "pals around with
terrorists." Too bad -- that might have swayed me.

That's the problem with you right-wingers: Either everyone agrees with you,
or they are "unpatriotic." As was said by one wiser than me, "Patriotism is
the last refuge of scoundrels."

As to the differences between Palin and Obama, I would choose Obama's wisdom
and thoughtfullness over Palin's "experience" any day of the week, and twice
on Sunday. Fortunately, however, there are other choices.

Did I mention that I am supporting Ron Paul? Seems to me I did. At least
twice. And no, a vote for Ron Paul is not a vote for Obama. Nor is it a vote
for McCain. It is a vote for Ron Paul.



Popeye[_4_] October 24th 08 02:35 AM

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"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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Now if you want to take that as a "promise" that we will "invade"
Pakistan, you go right ahead and do so. But it's a stretch at best.



And to state that Obama has "promised to invade Pakistan" while leaving
out the fact that his position is identical to McCain's is duplicitous and
deceitful. In short, it is a lie.



If I point out that a certain tomato on the vine is yellow (and it is), is
it then a lie because I didn't point out the tomato on the other vine is
green?

The deceit lay wholly within yourself. You are making unstated assumptions
about another person's reasoning that seriously impair your ability to
engage in any form of rational discussion.

For the record I'm a Ron Paul supporter and have been so since he was
first elected to office and voted for him when he first ran for president
decades ago.

Now who is duplicitous?



Ouch!



Molesworth October 24th 08 02:38 AM

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In article ,
"KLC Lewis" wrote:

"Charles Momsen" wrote in message
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So which war monger are you rooting for?


Ron Paul.


Ron Paul.

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Molesworth

http://www.stcustards.free-online.co.uk/

Capt. JG October 24th 08 06:01 AM

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"WaIIy" wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:57:19 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
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"Gregory Hall" wrote in message
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Ron Paul would have to be a write-in . . .


And?


Are you sure YOU are informed enough to vote? I would think any sane
woman would be voting for Sarah Palin/John McCain.

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Gregory Hall


There is a strong possibility that John McCain would die within his first
term of office -- he's in horrible health. That means that Sarah Palin
would
become President sometime within the next four years. Sorry, but I'm not
ready for a right-wing fundamentalist Christian theocracy. I also must
disqualify anyone from serving as president who cannot pronounce the word,
"nuclear."


You really want a limp wrist on the button? If Obama croaks, Biden's
brain is a ticking time bomb. Biden refuses to release his brain scans.
Hmmmm



Fortunately, Gov. Palin has released her complete medical records. NOT

However, she did release her brain scans: http://www.nothingisthere.com/

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Capt. JG October 24th 08 08:19 AM

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"Capt. JG" wrote in message
easolutions...
"WaIIy" wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:57:19 -0500, "KLC Lewis"
wrote:


"Gregory Hall" wrote in message
...

Ron Paul would have to be a write-in . . .

And?


Are you sure YOU are informed enough to vote? I would think any sane
woman would be voting for Sarah Palin/John McCain.

--
Gregory Hall

There is a strong possibility that John McCain would die within his first
term of office -- he's in horrible health. That means that Sarah Palin
would
become President sometime within the next four years. Sorry, but I'm not
ready for a right-wing fundamentalist Christian theocracy. I also must
disqualify anyone from serving as president who cannot pronounce the
word,
"nuclear."


You really want a limp wrist on the button? If Obama croaks, Biden's
brain is a ticking time bomb. Biden refuses to release his brain scans.
Hmmmm



Fortunately, Gov. Palin has released her complete medical records. NOT

However, she did release her brain scans: http://www.nothingisthere.com/

--
"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com


I take that back! She wants to name her sixth child Zamboni. I kid you
not...

Can it possibly get any worse? I *really* don't want to see her brain
scans.....

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




KLC Lewis October 24th 08 05:12 PM

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"WaIIy" wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:19:46 -0700, "Capt. JG"
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I take that back! She wants to name her sixth child Zamboni. I kid you
not...


Zamboni is bad, but Shawanda is just fine?

Think it over.


So who is named "Shawanda"?

As for "Zamboni," it beats her first choice, "Toepick."



Capt. JG October 24th 08 06:34 PM

Australia and Obama
 
"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"WaIIy" wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:19:46 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I take that back! She wants to name her sixth child Zamboni. I kid you
not...


Zamboni is bad, but Shawanda is just fine?

Think it over.


So who is named "Shawanda"?

As for "Zamboni," it beats her first choice, "Toepick."



It's either some obscure relative of Obama in Africa or he's making a lame
racist remark. I don't recall anyone who is running for President or VP
wanting to name a child Shawanda.

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com




Capt. JG October 24th 08 07:08 PM

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"WaIIy" wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:34:26 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"KLC Lewis" wrote in message
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"WaIIy" wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:19:46 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

I take that back! She wants to name her sixth child Zamboni. I kid you
not...

Zamboni is bad, but Shawanda is just fine?

Think it over.

So who is named "Shawanda"?

As for "Zamboni," it beats her first choice, "Toepick."



It's either some obscure relative of Obama in Africa or he's making a lame
racist remark. I don't recall anyone who is running for President or VP
wanting to name a child Shawanda.


Oh, odd sounding names is racist?


Why don't you say Barack's middle name a few dozen times if it makes you
feel better.

Is Barack less odd sounding than Zamboni?


No, but Piper for a girl's name? Trig? Track?

Bristol and Willow are at least nice names that you don't have to defend in
the schoolyard.

Do you feel the need to stoop to a discourse on proposed names for kids?


Bristol is sort of sailor-like, so yes. Besides, I'm not old enough to
stoop.



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