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Hiya, y'all,
Having had no response to those wanting me to keep a minimum of US warship separation, I wonder if there are Mystic, CT dwellers here. We think we'll be in Mystic toward the end of the week or more likely the weekend/Monday-ish. We'll keep the required distance from any giving us notice, but would enjoy visitors from the less squeamish :{)) From our many charts (Bob!) - paper and electronic - we can't see how we can anchor in the area of the downtown/museum area (or, for that matter,exactly where it is, though I believe both are near the swing bridge. We'd also like to get to WalMart, and see there are a couple in the area, and wonder (assuming we can solve the above), what the best public transport might be to achieve that, if any. Just because I don't always have forum/newsgroup access, please drop me a note cc'g any response you may have; skipgundlach - gmail dot com... TIA -- L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:55:47 -0400, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote: Hiya, y'all, Having had no response to those wanting me to keep a minimum of US warship separation, I wonder if there are Mystic, CT dwellers here. We think we'll be in Mystic toward the end of the week or more likely the weekend/Monday-ish. We'll keep the required distance from any giving us notice, but would enjoy visitors from the less squeamish :{)) From our many charts (Bob!) - paper and electronic - we can't see how we can anchor in the area of the downtown/museum area (or, for that matter,exactly where it is, though I believe both are near the swing bridge. We'd also like to get to WalMart, and see there are a couple in the area, and wonder (assuming we can solve the above), what the best public transport might be to achieve that, if any. Just because I don't always have forum/newsgroup access, please drop me a note cc'g any response you may have; skipgundlach - gmail dot com... TIA There won't be any place to anchor on the river, Skip. Noank Village Boatyard has moorings. $1.50 per foot per night. Free launch service 7 days a week with mooring. Run by very nice folks. By Radio: VHF Channel 72 By Phone: 1-860-536-1770 email: You can also dinghy up river to the town dinghy dock just below the bascule bridge. That's directly in downtown. Not sure about buses to Walmart, but there are local taxis. There are many marinas on the river, and some have similar names. Noank Shipyard is NOT Noank Village boatyard! If you have any more questions about the area, email me at charliewmorgan at aim dot com |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:55:47 -0400, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote: Hiya, y'all, Having had no response to those wanting me to keep a minimum of US warship separation, I wonder if there are Mystic, CT dwellers here. We think we'll be in Mystic toward the end of the week or more likely the weekend/Monday-ish. We'll keep the required distance from any giving us notice, but would enjoy visitors from the less squeamish :{)) From our many charts (Bob!) - paper and electronic - we can't see how we can anchor in the area of the downtown/museum area (or, for that matter,exactly where it is, though I believe both are near the swing bridge. We'd also like to get to WalMart, and see there are a couple in the area, and wonder (assuming we can solve the above), what the best public transport might be to achieve that, if any. Just because I don't always have forum/newsgroup access, please drop me a note cc'g any response you may have; skipgundlach - gmail dot com... TIA There won't be any place to anchor on the river, Skip. Noank Village Boatyard has moorings. $1.50 per foot per night. Free launch service 7 days a week with mooring. Run by very nice folks. By Radio: VHF Channel 72 By Phone: 1-860-536-1770 email: You can also dinghy up river to the town dinghy dock just below the bascule bridge. That's directly in downtown. Not sure about buses to Walmart, but there are local taxis. There are many marinas on the river, and some have similar names. Noank Shipyard is NOT Noank Village boatyard! (posted and emailed) |
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Wayne.B wrote in
: It's easy to imagine that the clock has rolled back in time 200 years as you walk through the village in the evening Does Mystic still have the excellent clock shop museum I loved from back in the early 1960's? That was the most beautiful display of marine chronometers I'd ever seen. God that was a long time ago! |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:55:47 -0400, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote: Just because I don't always have forum/newsgroup access, please drop me a note cc'g any response you may have; skipgundlach - gmail dot com... Everyone who says there is no room to anchor at Mystic is correct. We think the best deal around is to join the seaport as a member and get dockage and entry to the museum for a reduced rate. Call ahead for reservations. Being there at night, you have the run of the place after the tourists have gone home. It's easy to imagine that the clock has rolled back in time 200 years as you walk through the village in the evening There is good taxi service from the museum to anywhere in the area. Enterprise will pick you up if you want to rent a car. http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5013/dscn1225ih0.jpg |
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Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:55:47 -0400, "Skip Gundlach" wrote: Just because I don't always have forum/newsgroup access, please drop me a note cc'g any response you may have; skipgundlach - gmail dot com... Everyone who says there is no room to anchor at Mystic is correct. We think the best deal around is to join the seaport as a member and get dockage and entry to the museum for a reduced rate. Call ahead for reservations. Being there at night, you have the run of the place after the tourists have gone home. It's easy to imagine that the clock has rolled back in time 200 years as you walk through the village in the evening There is good taxi service from the museum to anywhere in the area. Enterprise will pick you up if you want to rent a car. http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5013/dscn1225ih0.jpg This is, in fact, great advice. No better time to see the museum then at night. Taking my son here was a treat. During the day, I highly recommend the Aquarium which is amazing and a short cab ride away. harlan |
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Hi Skip,
You can anchor off Mason Island on the SW side or on the E side and dingy to the bascule bridge in Mystic or dingy further up the river into the Museum basin. If you go up the Mystic River, look for anchorage space just south of N#16 or N3 22 I have found 6 to 7 feet of water at low in both spots. "Skip Gundlach" wrote in message ... Hiya, y'all, Having had no response to those wanting me to keep a minimum of US warship separation, I wonder if there are Mystic, CT dwellers here. We think we'll be in Mystic toward the end of the week or more likely the weekend/Monday-ish. We'll keep the required distance from any giving us notice, but would enjoy visitors from the less squeamish :{)) From our many charts (Bob!) - paper and electronic - we can't see how we can anchor in the area of the downtown/museum area (or, for that matter,exactly where it is, though I believe both are near the swing bridge. We'd also like to get to WalMart, and see there are a couple in the area, and wonder (assuming we can solve the above), what the best public transport might be to achieve that, if any. Just because I don't always have forum/newsgroup access, please drop me a note cc'g any response you may have; skipgundlach - gmail dot com... TIA -- L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) |
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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:40:28 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:55:47 -0400, "Skip Gundlach" wrote: Just because I don't always have forum/newsgroup access, please drop me a note cc'g any response you may have; skipgundlach - gmail dot com... Everyone who says there is no room to anchor at Mystic is correct. We think the best deal around is to join the seaport as a member and get dockage and entry to the museum for a reduced rate. Call ahead for reservations. Being there at night, you have the run of the place after the tourists have gone home. It's easy to imagine that the clock has rolled back in time 200 years as you walk through the village in the evening We used to do that pretty much once a season. Unfortunately, Mystic has changed along with everyone else, and the membership/dockage deal is not such a deal any longer. It requires a higher level of membership, and even with the dockage discount, it is just as expensive as any commercial marina... unless you stay for a week or so. |
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On 28 Aug 2008 09:30:01 -0500, Dave wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:18:01 -0400, said: Unfortunately, Mystic has changed along with everyone else, and the membership/dockage deal is not such a deal any longer. It requires a higher level of membership, and even with the dockage discount, it is just as expensive as any commercial marina... unless you stay for a week or so. Even 30 years ago the membership plus dockage was significantly over dockage at a commercial marina. However, the ability to stroll the grounds after everyone has gone for the day was indeed a plus. Not true, Dave. Up until about 2 years ago, the membership, plus the dockage discount was "break-even" for a 30 foot boat if you used it for 2 nights. We did it that way for quite a few years as it helped the museum, and we also would visit once or twice in the off season using the free admission that also came with the membership. The new policy was their response to large yachts abusing the deal by bringing 10, 20, or more people with them to avoid all of them paying admission. It was a dumb move as all it really did was send a message to small boats and families that they were no longer welcome. It really didn't hurt the megayacht crowd at all. They still realize a big savings on dockage because of the size of their boats. It would have been MUCH smarter to simply limit the free admission for boat passengers to 4 per boat. It's the smaller boats that got squeezed out, not the bog boats that caused the problem in the first place. The regular dockage price without the membership discount was, and is, similar to commercial dockage everywhere on the river. |
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On 28 Aug 2008 10:21:01 -0500, Dave wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:48:46 -0400, said: Not true, Dave. Up until about 2 years ago, the membership, plus the dockage discount was "break-even" for a 30 foot boat if you used it for 2 nights. You may be correct. I haven't been in there in 30 years, but my recollection is that at that time the total ran a bit more than commercial marinas in the area. Were you going in there 30 years ago? No, but we've been there almost every year in the past 10 at least once a season. Last season was the first time we skipped it. We still went to Mystic/Noank, but did not visit the museum. When they changed the policy, we dropped our membership and also stopped donating. They have really lost their way. |
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It's the smaller boats that got squeezed out, not the bog boats that caused the problem in the first place. Have you thought about which size boats are more likely to have owners and guests who can make large donations? It's just like most other things in society. The big cause the problems and the small pay for them. -- Roger Long |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:52:39 -0400, "Roger Long" said: It's just like most other things in society. The big cause the problems and the small pay for them. That depends very much on what you define as the problem. Is the problem insufficient donations to support the Seaport, or is it the absence of cheap dockage? Is the problem with medical care the high cost of hospital visits, or is it the fact that a lot of people don't pay for those visits? It's definitely the fact that a lot of people don't pay for hospital visits, because they can't afford to do so. We should definitely blame them. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:48:46 -0400, said: Not true, Dave. Up until about 2 years ago, the membership, plus the dockage discount was "break-even" for a 30 foot boat if you used it for 2 nights. FYI We went at the beginning of August (on land) after our granddaughter's wedding. We took the free shuttle from one end to the other (run by volunteers - an electric boat), and the driver happened to mention that we were lucky to see the big sailing whaling boat the Charles W. Morgan because they were going to take her to the yard and haul her out for maintenance. She won't be back until 2011 or thereabouts. Some pictures from our visit - 39 of mine and 18 of my daughters. http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/pb/b9515/4a9c6/ http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/pb/b9515/b1f61/ |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:23:51 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: That depends very much on what you define as the problem. Is the problem insufficient donations to support the Seaport, or is it the absence of cheap dockage? Is the problem with medical care the high cost of hospital visits, or is it the fact that a lot of people don't pay for those visits? It's definitely the fact that a lot of people don't pay for hospital visits, because they can't afford to do so. We should definitely blame them. LOL If I hand out free candy on the street, and a lot of people eat it and rot their teeth, is the problem that I'm handing out free candy, or that too many people are eating free candy and rotting their teeth? The problem is that you're not charging enough! LOL It sounds like you would support tobacco companies. They're doing much the same thing. Perhaps we should let the market decide. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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... On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:38:38 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: It's definitely the fact that a lot of people don't pay for hospital visits, because they can't afford to do so. We should definitely blame them. LOL If I hand out free candy on the street, and a lot of people eat it and rot their teeth, is the problem that I'm handing out free candy, or that too many people are eating free candy and rotting their teeth? The problem is that you're not charging enough! LOL Perhaps the light is beginning to dawn on you, Jon. Hand out candy for free, and somebody still has to pay to produce that candy. And if the candy maker hopes not to lose his shirt he has to charge more for the candy he sells to people who pay for it. Eventually, the folks who pay for it figure out that they can get their candy for free. See if you can figure out what happens at that point to the candy maker. He becomes a tobacco manufacturer of course. LOL What you're not seeing is that there's nothing wrong with charging for services. What's wrong is that some people can't afford them. In the case of candy, should you charge for it, it's not essential to the common good. (Remember that phrase?) Medical services for all are essential for the common good. In fact, if we don't supply them at an affordable price, then the burden on society is great, which is in opposition to the common good. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:06:22 -0700, "Capt. JG" said: What you're not seeing is that there's nothing wrong with charging for services. What's wrong is that some people can't afford them. In the case of candy, should you charge for it, it's not essential to the common good. (Remember that phrase?) Medical services for all are essential for the common good. In fact, if we don't supply them at an affordable price, then the burden on society is great, which is in opposition to the common good. I take back what I said about your beginning to see the light. You should. I'm already enlightened! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 2008-08-28 19:35:57 -0400, "Capt. JG" said:
"Dave" wrote in message I take back what I said about your beginning to see the light. You should. I'm already enlightened! In your dreams, only. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008082822535916807-jerelull@maccom... On 2008-08-28 19:35:57 -0400, "Capt. JG" said: "Dave" wrote in message I take back what I said about your beginning to see the light. You should. I'm already enlightened! In your dreams, only. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ Only if you say so... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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This is what selected sections of the museum site says
RADIO CONTACT The Dock Office monitors radio channel 68 from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m., July 1 through Labor Day. PHONE CONTACT 860.572.5391 9 a.m. - 4 p.m. Monday - Friday, year round 9 a.m. - 5 p.m. Daily, July and August Arrival and Departure Arrive any time after the 1:40 p.m. Mystic River Bascule Bridge opening. Please depart prior to 1:40 p.m. Please check in at the Dock Office after arrival. The Dock Office is located at the head of the Dunton and Sabino Dock. Dock attendants are on duty at check-in location 9 a.m. to 7 p.m., July 1 through Labor Day. To Get Here Use US chart #13214 and pay strict attention to the buoys. The channel is narrow and twisting; shoals abound just outside the channel. The Mystic River Railroad Bridge will open on call, unless a train is expected. The Mystic River Bascule Bridge (Route 1) opens at 20 minutes before each hour from 7:40 a.m. until 6:40 p.m. The Bascule Bridge opens on call prior to 7:40 a.m. and after 6:40 p.m. Both bridges monitor radio channels 9 and 13. Due to an ever-increasing demand for our limited dock space, reservations cannot be confirmed without a deposit of $100 or one night’s dockage, whichever is less. Credit card deposits can be taken by phone at 860-572-5391. Written reservation requests should be accompanied by a check. Unless a late arrival is prearranged, reservations are held until the 5:40 p.m. bridge opening 2008 Rates Mariner Members $2.75 per foot (LOA) (Includes Museum admission for members' guests arriving aboard) Sustaining Members & Higher Categories $2.75 per foot (LOA) (Includes Museum admission for members' guests arriving aboard and your second night of 2-night stay is free once per season.) Individual, Dual, and Family Members and Non-Members $3.75 per foot (Includes Museum admission for those aboard) All levels of Membership receive free dockage October 15 through April 30, except Saturday nights; two (2) nights maximum per visit. ANCHORING Please note that there is limited anchorage above the Mystic River Bascule Bridge. Water outside the channel is very shallow, and Federal law strictly prohibits anchoring in the channel. Anchoring in the areas designated for Mystic Seaport exhibit craft is also prohibited. Boarding exhibit ships or craft is not permitted after hours. HEADS / SHOWERS Heads and showers are located at the North Gate. A similar facility, with a laundry machine, is available at the south end of the property in the Shipyard area. (Please do not hang laundry on your boat while at Mystic Seaport.) The Mystic River is a no discharge zone. Use shoreside toilet facilities or holding tank aboard. Free pump out facilities for visiting yachts are located at our pump-out dock in the Shipyard at the end of the Museum. Contact the Dock Office at 860.572.5391. FAUCETS / OUTLETS The wharves are equipped with freshwater faucets and 110-volt AC electric outlet boxes at convenient locations. A limited number of 220-volt outlets are available. ICE If you wish to buy ice, contact a dock attendant or the Dock Office. RECYCLING Cans and bottles must be separated from trash and placed in labeled barrels throughout docking areas. TELEPHONE NUMBERS Telephone numbers for such services as taxi, engine repairs and general local information are available at the Dock Office. |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:00:47 -0400, Rosalie B.
wrote: This is what selected sections of the museum site says RADIO CONTACT The Dock Office monitors radio channel 68 from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m., July 1 through Labor Day. PHONE CONTACT 860.572.5391 9 a.m. - 4 p.m. Monday - Friday, year round 9 a.m. - 5 p.m. Daily, July and August Arrival and Departure Arrive any time after the 1:40 p.m. Mystic River Bascule Bridge opening. Please depart prior to 1:40 p.m. Please check in at the Dock Office after arrival. The Dock Office is located at the head of the Dunton and Sabino Dock. Dock attendants are on duty at check-in location 9 a.m. to 7 p.m., July 1 through Labor Day. To Get Here Use US chart #13214 and pay strict attention to the buoys. The channel is narrow and twisting; shoals abound just outside the channel. The Mystic River Railroad Bridge will open on call, unless a train is expected. The Mystic River Bascule Bridge (Route 1) opens at 20 minutes before each hour from 7:40 a.m. until 6:40 p.m. The Bascule Bridge opens on call prior to 7:40 a.m. and after 6:40 p.m. Both bridges monitor radio channels 9 and 13. The railroad bridge is normally left open unless a train is approaching. There is a large clock display that will tell you how long until it is expected to open. The Bridge Tenders will NOT play guessing games. Hail on 13 ONLY, and make sure you hail the specific bridge you want. If you just hail "Mystic Bridge" or Mystic River Bridge, no one will respond from either bridge. Hail either "Mystic River Railroad Bridge" or "Mystic River Bascule Highway Bridge". Getting the bascule bridge opened outside regular hours is somewhere between difficult and impossible. You will have a very long wait, if you can convince them to come and open it at all. Plan to pass during regular hours. The anchorage just up river of the museum is about 3-4 feet deep at most. okay for small power boats, and only 2 or 3 of those at a time. |
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