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Skip Gundlach April 13th 04 07:54 PM

Getting hosed
 
I'm sure there's a good reason - but my initial looking discloses two basic
types of sanitation hose.

Both claim the same purpose (keep the stuff and the odor inside while on the
way outside), but there's one which is 3x the price of the other.

What's the difference, other than the obvious price? Easier to use? Won't
let the odor/seep through, ever, vs some number of years? Stays whiter in
more conditions?

The difference, in boat money terms, is pretty insignificant, I'd say (some
couple-three hundred bux for the standard 50' roll), but if it's not needed,
I can use that couple-three somewhere else.

Anybody used both (e.g. "148" vs "Sealand") who can give experiential input?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

--
"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a
clear night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize
that you are quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to
you that in the general scheme of things you are merely an
insignificant speck on the surface of the ocean; and are not nearly
so important or as self-sufficient as you thought you were. Which is
an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one that may effect a
permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly appreciated
by your friends." - James S. Pitkin



jps April 13th 04 09:19 PM

Getting hosed
 
In article . net,
says...
I'm sure there's a good reason - but my initial looking discloses two basic
types of sanitation hose.

Both claim the same purpose (keep the stuff and the odor inside while on the
way outside), but there's one which is 3x the price of the other.

What's the difference, other than the obvious price? Easier to use? Won't
let the odor/seep through, ever, vs some number of years? Stays whiter in
more conditions?

The difference, in boat money terms, is pretty insignificant, I'd say (some
couple-three hundred bux for the standard 50' roll), but if it's not needed,
I can use that couple-three somewhere else.

Anybody used both (e.g. "148" vs "Sealand") who can give experiential input?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2


Skip,

Spend the extra money.

The Sealand "Odorsafe" hose is actually from an Aussie company, its real
product name is AVS96. There may be other companies distributing this
hose in the states since I believe they've started to manufacture it
here.

I used a small piece of it when I first rerouted my sanitation system a
few years back. It was the section from the holding tank to the y-valve
so it was constantly bathed in black water. No detectable permeation in
three years. I've now replace nearly all my sanitation runs with the
AVS96 product.

I purchased some a few months ago from Fisheries Supply in Seattle and
it's the same product I've used from Sealand. It's harder to work with
than the Trident hose but well worth the work and investment.

No interest in the product other than a satisfied customer.

jps

jps April 13th 04 09:19 PM

Getting hosed
 
In article . net,
says...
I'm sure there's a good reason - but my initial looking discloses two basic
types of sanitation hose.

Both claim the same purpose (keep the stuff and the odor inside while on the
way outside), but there's one which is 3x the price of the other.

What's the difference, other than the obvious price? Easier to use? Won't
let the odor/seep through, ever, vs some number of years? Stays whiter in
more conditions?

The difference, in boat money terms, is pretty insignificant, I'd say (some
couple-three hundred bux for the standard 50' roll), but if it's not needed,
I can use that couple-three somewhere else.

Anybody used both (e.g. "148" vs "Sealand") who can give experiential input?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2


Skip,

Spend the extra money.

The Sealand "Odorsafe" hose is actually from an Aussie company, its real
product name is AVS96. There may be other companies distributing this
hose in the states since I believe they've started to manufacture it
here.

I used a small piece of it when I first rerouted my sanitation system a
few years back. It was the section from the holding tank to the y-valve
so it was constantly bathed in black water. No detectable permeation in
three years. I've now replace nearly all my sanitation runs with the
AVS96 product.

I purchased some a few months ago from Fisheries Supply in Seattle and
it's the same product I've used from Sealand. It's harder to work with
than the Trident hose but well worth the work and investment.

No interest in the product other than a satisfied customer.

jps

Glenn Ashmore April 13th 04 10:27 PM

Getting hosed
 
148 is recommended for grey water and as a bilge hose but it will not
stand up to odor permiation in toilet applications. 144 is somewhat
better but not much. 101 is the standard black water hose and Sealand's
Odorsafe is the best.

You don't need a whole lot. I talked to Ed McKunen, president of
Sealand (and not my favorite person) about it. We recommend making your
longer runs in Schedule 40 PVC with short lengths of Odorsafe to absorb
vibration and movement.

Skip Gundlach wrote:

I'm sure there's a good reason - but my initial looking discloses two basic
types of sanitation hose.

Both claim the same purpose (keep the stuff and the odor inside while on the
way outside), but there's one which is 3x the price of the other.

What's the difference, other than the obvious price? Easier to use? Won't
let the odor/seep through, ever, vs some number of years? Stays whiter in
more conditions?

The difference, in boat money terms, is pretty insignificant, I'd say (some
couple-three hundred bux for the standard 50' roll), but if it's not needed,
I can use that couple-three somewhere else.

Anybody used both (e.g. "148" vs "Sealand") who can give experiential input?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2


--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com


Glenn Ashmore April 13th 04 10:27 PM

Getting hosed
 
148 is recommended for grey water and as a bilge hose but it will not
stand up to odor permiation in toilet applications. 144 is somewhat
better but not much. 101 is the standard black water hose and Sealand's
Odorsafe is the best.

You don't need a whole lot. I talked to Ed McKunen, president of
Sealand (and not my favorite person) about it. We recommend making your
longer runs in Schedule 40 PVC with short lengths of Odorsafe to absorb
vibration and movement.

Skip Gundlach wrote:

I'm sure there's a good reason - but my initial looking discloses two basic
types of sanitation hose.

Both claim the same purpose (keep the stuff and the odor inside while on the
way outside), but there's one which is 3x the price of the other.

What's the difference, other than the obvious price? Easier to use? Won't
let the odor/seep through, ever, vs some number of years? Stays whiter in
more conditions?

The difference, in boat money terms, is pretty insignificant, I'd say (some
couple-three hundred bux for the standard 50' roll), but if it's not needed,
I can use that couple-three somewhere else.

Anybody used both (e.g. "148" vs "Sealand") who can give experiential input?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2


--
Glenn Ashmore

I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack
there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com
Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com


MMC April 13th 04 10:43 PM

Getting hosed
 
Not really an answer to your question but...I saw hose that looked
suspiciously like marine sanitation hose in my neighborhood hardware store
the other day and when I asked the salesman about it he said it was hot tub
hose. Don't remember the actual price, but it was enough of a difference to
convince me to try it next time.

I've also found tygon (sp?) tubing with the colored reinforcements and all
at a farm supply for alot less than boat store people sell it for.

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in
message ink.net...
I'm sure there's a good reason - but my initial looking discloses two

basic
types of sanitation hose.

Both claim the same purpose (keep the stuff and the odor inside while on

the
way outside), but there's one which is 3x the price of the other.

What's the difference, other than the obvious price? Easier to use?

Won't
let the odor/seep through, ever, vs some number of years? Stays whiter in
more conditions?

The difference, in boat money terms, is pretty insignificant, I'd say

(some
couple-three hundred bux for the standard 50' roll), but if it's not

needed,
I can use that couple-three somewhere else.

Anybody used both (e.g. "148" vs "Sealand") who can give experiential

input?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

--
"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a
clear night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize
that you are quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to
you that in the general scheme of things you are merely an
insignificant speck on the surface of the ocean; and are not nearly
so important or as self-sufficient as you thought you were. Which is
an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one that may effect a
permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly appreciated
by your friends." - James S. Pitkin






MMC April 13th 04 10:43 PM

Getting hosed
 
Not really an answer to your question but...I saw hose that looked
suspiciously like marine sanitation hose in my neighborhood hardware store
the other day and when I asked the salesman about it he said it was hot tub
hose. Don't remember the actual price, but it was enough of a difference to
convince me to try it next time.

I've also found tygon (sp?) tubing with the colored reinforcements and all
at a farm supply for alot less than boat store people sell it for.

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in
message ink.net...
I'm sure there's a good reason - but my initial looking discloses two

basic
types of sanitation hose.

Both claim the same purpose (keep the stuff and the odor inside while on

the
way outside), but there's one which is 3x the price of the other.

What's the difference, other than the obvious price? Easier to use?

Won't
let the odor/seep through, ever, vs some number of years? Stays whiter in
more conditions?

The difference, in boat money terms, is pretty insignificant, I'd say

(some
couple-three hundred bux for the standard 50' roll), but if it's not

needed,
I can use that couple-three somewhere else.

Anybody used both (e.g. "148" vs "Sealand") who can give experiential

input?

Thanks.

L8R

Skip

Morgan 461 #2
SV Flying Pig
http://tinyurl.com/384p2

--
"And then again, when you sit at the helm of your little ship on a
clear night, and gaze at the countless stars overhead, and realize
that you are quite alone on a great, wide sea, it is apt to occur to
you that in the general scheme of things you are merely an
insignificant speck on the surface of the ocean; and are not nearly
so important or as self-sufficient as you thought you were. Which is
an exceedingly wholesome thought, and one that may effect a
permanent change in your deportment that will be greatly appreciated
by your friends." - James S. Pitkin






Peggie Hall April 13th 04 11:20 PM

Getting hosed
 


MMC wrote:
I saw hose that looked
suspiciously like marine sanitation hose in my neighborhood hardware store
the other day and when I asked the salesman about it he said it was hot tub
hose. Don't remember the actual price, but it was enough of a difference to
convince me to try it next time.


You'll be sorry. Not all white flexible pvc hose is created equal...and
hot tub hose is not rated for sanitation system use, only for water use.
It'll permeate with odor very quickly.

I've also found tygon (sp?) tubing with the colored reinforcements and all
at a farm supply for alot less than boat store people sell it for.


That may be ok, but if it'll be connected to any below-waterline
thru-hulls, make sure it's a grade that's rated for below-waterline use.

Flex hoses are like hard PVC in that they have "schedule" #s...schedule
148, 144 and 101 are rated for sanitation use...I'm not sure what the
"schedules" are for clear hose, but they also use a standardized system
that will tell you which hoses are rated for below waterline use and
which ones aren't.
--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html


Peggie Hall April 13th 04 11:20 PM

Getting hosed
 


MMC wrote:
I saw hose that looked
suspiciously like marine sanitation hose in my neighborhood hardware store
the other day and when I asked the salesman about it he said it was hot tub
hose. Don't remember the actual price, but it was enough of a difference to
convince me to try it next time.


You'll be sorry. Not all white flexible pvc hose is created equal...and
hot tub hose is not rated for sanitation system use, only for water use.
It'll permeate with odor very quickly.

I've also found tygon (sp?) tubing with the colored reinforcements and all
at a farm supply for alot less than boat store people sell it for.


That may be ok, but if it'll be connected to any below-waterline
thru-hulls, make sure it's a grade that's rated for below-waterline use.

Flex hoses are like hard PVC in that they have "schedule" #s...schedule
148, 144 and 101 are rated for sanitation use...I'm not sure what the
"schedules" are for clear hose, but they also use a standardized system
that will tell you which hoses are rated for below waterline use and
which ones aren't.
--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html


Peggie Hall April 13th 04 11:34 PM

Getting hosed
 
Skip, you got good advice from JPS and Glenn. SeaLand "OdorSafe" and the
Aussie "Odorfree" hose have proven in independent testing to be 16 x
more resistant to odor permation than any other sanitation hose on the
market. It's stiff as an ironing board, though...which means you'll
most likely need to use inline radius fittings. Don't ever heat ANY hose
to bend it tighter than it wants to bend easily...you'll damage the
hose. I've seen it kink, and even develop tears on the outside of a hard
bend.

The Sealand "Odorsafe" hose is actually from an Aussie company, its real
product name is AVS96. There may be other companies distributing this
hose in the states since I believe they've started to manufacture it
here.


They haven't begun mfr'g it here, only distributing it under their own
brand name. For nearly 10 years, SeaLand was the exclusive US
distributer...they private labelled it "OdorSafe." I don't have the
inside skinny (yet) about why that deal is over, but the Aussies aren't
selling it to SeaLand any more at all...they're marketing it here under
their own brand name "AVS96 Odorfree." Here's a link to the Aussies'
website about it: http://www.aussieglobe.com/avs96.htm

Meanwhile, SeaLand has just introduced "OdorSafe Plus," which they claim
is even better and is made in Italy. Price is the about the same for it
as for original OdorSafe/AVS96. I haven't seen any test results on it
yet, so I'm taking a "wait and see" stance for now. But I do know that
the AVS96 stuff is all but totally impervious to odor permeation...it's
readily available here...and that's what I'd use if it were my own boat.

--
Peggie
----------
Peggie Hall
Specializing in marine sanitation since 1987
Author "Get Rid of Boat Odors - A Guide To Marine Sanitation Systems and
Other Sources of Aggravation and Odor"
http://www.seaworthy.com/html/get_ri...oat_odors.html
http://shop.sailboatowners.com/detai...=400&group=327



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