Pole-ish joke
 

Well, not a joke...

We like using our spinnaker pole (we don't have a whisker pole) to
hold our genoa out in dead-downwind or there-abouts situations. We
can rig it so we can furl the genny if needed, by putting the sheet
through the jaw, and of course can also release it readily. We have a
topping lift for the pole and fore and after guys. As we always use
it that way, we're able to "set it and forget it" by markings on the
guys, placing it in the same position each time. The pole rides on a
mast track on the other end.

However, in really rolly stuff, the sail moves around enough that the
sheets also move in the jaw, leading to chafe.

So, a couple of questions...

Given a spin pole rather than a whisker, and the need, perhaps, to
furl the genny quickly (and the jaw not being big enough to attach to
the clew), is there a better way to rig?

Secondly, for those advocating this modus, how do you avoid chafing
the sheets?

Thanks.

--
L8R

Skip

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If you don't have a whisker pole, but you do have a spinnaker pole, then I'm
assuming that you do have a spinnaker.

If you are sailing "dead-downwind or there-abouts" why not just use your
spinnaker? Problem solved.


"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
...
Well, not a joke...

We like using our spinnaker pole (we don't have a whisker pole) to hold
our genoa out in dead-downwind or there-abouts situations. We can rig it
so we can furl the genny if needed, by putting the sheet through the jaw,
and of course can also release it readily. We have a topping lift for the
pole and fore and after guys. As we always use it that way, we're able to
"set it and forget it" by markings on the guys, placing it in the same
position each time. The pole rides on a mast track on the other end.

However, in really rolly stuff, the sail moves around enough that the
sheets also move in the jaw, leading to chafe.

So, a couple of questions...

Given a spin pole rather than a whisker, and the need, perhaps, to furl
the genny quickly (and the jaw not being big enough to attach to the
clew), is there a better way to rig?

Secondly, for those advocating this modus, how do you avoid chafing the
sheets?

Thanks.

--
L8R

Skip

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You seek problems because you need their gifts."
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"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
...
Well, not a joke...

We like using our spinnaker pole (we don't have a whisker pole) to hold
our genoa out in dead-downwind or there-abouts situations. We can rig it
so we can furl the genny if needed, by putting the sheet through the jaw,
and of course can also release it readily. We have a topping lift for the
pole and fore and after guys. As we always use it that way, we're able to
"set it and forget it" by markings on the guys, placing it in the same
position each time. The pole rides on a mast track on the other end.

However, in really rolly stuff, the sail moves around enough that the
sheets also move in the jaw, leading to chafe.

So, a couple of questions...

Given a spin pole rather than a whisker, and the need, perhaps, to furl
the genny quickly (and the jaw not being big enough to attach to the
clew), is there a better way to rig?

Secondly, for those advocating this modus, how do you avoid chafing the
sheets?


Duh! When making the sheets fast leave a bit of a bight in the knot. Fit the
spinnaker pole clip to the bight in the sheet. Size the bight so it fits
snugly and there will be little or no chafe.

I use a continuous sheet. I secure it to the clew using a figure 8 knot. The
bight I use is the looped end of the figure 8.

I hope this helps.

Wilbur Hubbard.

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On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:57:57 -0400, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:

Well, not a joke...

We like using our spinnaker pole (we don't have a whisker pole) to
hold our genoa out in dead-downwind or there-abouts situations. We
can rig it so we can furl the genny if needed, by putting the sheet
through the jaw, and of course can also release it readily. We have a
topping lift for the pole and fore and after guys. As we always use
it that way, we're able to "set it and forget it" by markings on the
guys, placing it in the same position each time. The pole rides on a
mast track on the other end.

However, in really rolly stuff, the sail moves around enough that the
sheets also move in the jaw, leading to chafe.

So, a couple of questions...

Given a spin pole rather than a whisker, and the need, perhaps, to
furl the genny quickly (and the jaw not being big enough to attach to
the clew), is there a better way to rig?


You are doing it the 'correct' way ( the way RYA examiner's examiners
like it done)

Secondly, for those advocating this modus, how do you avoid chafing
the sheets?

Consider attaching a block, by a short strop, to the end of the pole
or slackenng the guys so that the end of the pole can move enough to
accomodate the stretching of the jib sheet.

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It's normal to get some chafing at the pole during long offshore runs.
You could try putting a foot or two of braid over the sheets at the
wear point, changing it out once in a while. This is a common problem
on racing boats doing long runs under spinnaker.

================

On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:57:57 -0400, "Skip Gundlach"
wrote:

Well, not a joke...

We like using our spinnaker pole (we don't have a whisker pole) to
hold our genoa out in dead-downwind or there-abouts situations. We
can rig it so we can furl the genny if needed, by putting the sheet
through the jaw, and of course can also release it readily. We have a
topping lift for the pole and fore and after guys. As we always use
it that way, we're able to "set it and forget it" by markings on the
guys, placing it in the same position each time. The pole rides on a
mast track on the other end.

However, in really rolly stuff, the sail moves around enough that the
sheets also move in the jaw, leading to chafe.

So, a couple of questions...

Given a spin pole rather than a whisker, and the need, perhaps, to
furl the genny quickly (and the jaw not being big enough to attach to
the clew), is there a better way to rig?

Secondly, for those advocating this modus, how do you avoid chafing
the sheets?

Thanks.

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On 2008-08-23 14:57:57 -0400, "Skip Gundlach" said:

We like using our spinnaker pole (we don't have a whisker pole) to
hold our genoa out in dead-downwind or there-abouts situations.

Well, my solution is to only do dead-downwind wing-on-wing for short
periods, maybe for a half hour, and no pole.

"Tacking" downwind is faster, more comfortable, requires less attention
and avoids the possibility of accidental gybes, though it demands
periodic gybes to keep to the rhumb line.

If you're married to doing a poled-out wing-on-wing, I might suggest
attaching a sacrificial loop to the clew for the pole's jaws. You won't
eliminate chafe, though the idea of putting some braid over the sheets
might give you some more time before you have to replace the sheets.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008082503485816807-jerelull@maccom...
If you're married to doing a poled-out wing-on-wing, I might suggest
attaching a sacrificial loop to the clew for the pole's jaws. You won't
eliminate chafe, though the idea of putting some braid over the sheets
might give you some more time before you have to replace the sheets.

I am not sure that is a good idea. The end of the pole will push the loop
out beyond the taut jibsheet and this will make it very hard to disconnect
the pole when you need to.

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On 2008-08-26 05:33:48 -0400, "Edgar" said:

"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008082503485816807-jerelull@maccom...
If you're married to doing a poled-out wing-on-wing, I might suggest
attaching a sacrificial loop to the clew for the pole's jaws. You won't
eliminate chafe, though the idea of putting some braid over the sheets
might give you some more time before you have to replace the sheets.

I am not sure that is a good idea. The end of the pole will push the
loop out beyond the taut jibsheet and this will make it very hard to
disconnect the pole when you need to.

True.

I haven't really put much thought into a solution because I don't like
wing-on-wing, but I suspect there's a way to use something other than
the sheets.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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On Aug 23, 10:57*am, "Skip Gundlach" wrote:

Well, not a joke...
Skip
Pig



Skip,

your sorta joke-ish attempt to elevate your sailing abilities at the
expense of Poles is humiliating . Your maritime failures have
disqualifed your racest attemps at gaining credibility by devaluating
others.

Leave the Poles out of your feble attempts at sounding credible.

Bob
Your Superior Officer

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On 27 Aug 2008 09:24:03 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:38:48 -0700 (PDT), Bob said:

Leave the Poles out of your feble attempts at sounding credible.

Time to get a life, Bob.

Oh, and BTW the words you were looking for were "racist," rather than
"racest," and "devaluing" rather than "devaluating."

English is a second language for you?

Gee, Dave. I wasn't aware that statements end with a question mark,
either. Is English a second language for you?

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In article , Dave wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:38:48 -0700 (PDT), Bob said:

Leave the Poles out of your feble attempts at sounding credible.

Time to get a life, Bob.

Oh, and BTW the words you were looking for were "racist," rather than
"racest," and "devaluing" rather than "devaluating."

You missed feeble for feble.

Justin.

--
Justin C, by the sea.

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:30:16 -0400, said:

English is a second language for you?

Gee, Dave. I wasn't aware that statements end with a question mark,
either. Is English a second language for you?

They don't. A question mark indicates that the speaker is asking a
question.
You also have trouble with the English grammar? g


The "that" in your second sentence above is extraneous. Indicates that?
Duh!

"A question mark indicates the speaker is asking a question" is the correct
way to express the thought you tried and failed to express succinctly. But,
then again, there never was a lawyer who was succinct. It's just not in
their nature. Their nature is to be verbose blowhards.

You did not matriculate perhaps? Or failed to obtain a passing grade in
elementary English?

Wilbur Hubbard

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:47:19 -0000, Justin C
said:

Oh, and BTW the words you were looking for were "racist," rather than
"racest," and "devaluing" rather than "devaluating."

You missed feeble for feble.

I never claimed to be a great proof reader.

Duh! One word, stupid! It's proofreader!

Wilbur Hubbard

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On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:14:12 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Dave" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:47:19 -0000, Justin C
said:

Oh, and BTW the words you were looking for were "racist," rather than
"racest," and "devaluing" rather than "devaluating."

You missed feeble for feble.

I never claimed to be a great proof reader.

Duh! One word, stupid! It's proofreader!

My ma was a linotype operator and also did proofreading as a side job.
American Medical Journal and Playboy among others.
Hot type, days now gone by.
Surprising how many typos and grammar mistakes get into publications
nowadays. Not that I'm even close to an expert, but I find them
pretty often. And make them of course.

--Vic

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On Aug 27, 6:24*am, Dave wrote:

Time to get a life, Bob.

Oh, and BTW the words you were looking for were "racist," rather than
"racest," and "devaluing" rather than "devaluating."

English is a second language for you?

Nope just one of a few ive had to use along with:
Polish
Japanesee
Spanish
Korean
Russian
Coonass
Texan
Academic
Republican

I got a life dave; a rather enjoyable one too.
Lest see what did Bob do today...... O yes, made a killer cup of
coffee, walked down town and checked my mail. chated with some people,
walked back home, made some humas and cooked some bread in my cast
iron skillet for lunch. After lunch I took a big Dave and wiped my
ass.

your attention to detail reflesct your robotnic approach to our
language. If I had to venture a guess id say you went to shcool in an
area or time that stressed rules to guide writting along with phonics
or was that fonix? So how far back do we need to go to fulfill your
desire to cling to correct usage? How bout the 1950s but why not the
teens but maybe to be reallly correct we should conform to Olde
English and use thoust and whilst? and god forbid the terrible misuse
of contractions such as, "don't" instead of using the correct form "do
not."

If you had any background in writing you would see the obvious
patterns in my "miscues" But alas they are invisable to the common
reader. Yes, I do have an aflection that, when not self edited,
reflects a predictable pattern but you only see "mistakes" to be
ticked by the teacher's RED pencle.

Bob

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"Dave" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:16:03 -0500, Vic Smith
said:

I never claimed to be a great proof reader.

Duh! One word, stupid! It's proofreader!

Still smarting over your ignorance of the English grammar Wilbur?



I should smart over being correct? Hardly.

Dave, you should be smarting over having had your public blunder corrected.

So, smart some more over the fact that you used 'grammar' when you should
have used 'diction.'

I hope this helps.

Wilbur Hubbard

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On 2008-08-27 17:16:03 -0400, Vic Smith said:

My ma was a linotype operator and also did proofreading as a side job.
American Medical Journal and Playboy among others.
Hot type, days now gone by.

That was my grandfather's profession. Hands were so callused that he
could roll molten lead around the palms of his hands, I'm told. (That
would have been before 1920, so well before my time.)

Surprising how many typos and grammar mistakes get into publications
nowadays. Not that I'm even close to an expert, but I find them
pretty often. And make them of course.

There was something to be said about being slowed down by the existing
stone-age technology. Even on a typewriter, we had to pay closer
attention, as one mistake might require us to retype the whole page.
Oh, the auto-correcting Selectrics (or was it the Olivettis?) were such
a step up.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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On Aug 27, 3:33*pm, Dave wrote:
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Bob said:

If you had any background in writing

I'm tempted to tell you. But I won't.


Please,
Im actually sinserly interested. I find great pleasure associating a
persons work history with their current beliefs regarding our language/
writing/speaking.
Scout's Honor !

Have you ever had an ephermeral sailing mag publish a boating article?
Newspaper articles?
10th grade english teacher?
the worst kind...... a technical writer???
Oh, a NOAA weather report wirter ;)
No.. one better..... WR 222 at a community college ! (aka ESL)
Bob

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On 2008-08-27 22:49:32 -0400, Bob said:

Have you ever had an ephermeral sailing mag publish a boating article?
Newspaper articles?
10th grade english teacher?
the worst kind...... a technical writer???
Oh, a NOAA weather report wirter ;)
No.. one better..... WR 222 at a community college ! (aka ESL)

CNN.com is the one that sets my teeth on edge. Not sure they have
editors/proofreaders there.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD
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Well, believe it or not, here I am again, responding to Wilbur (who,
despite the many sling-wielders does, occasionally, contribute more
than even my bandwidth [which I recognize to be immense], providing
the momentary benefits of tidbits).

O great teacher, I have a follow-on question...

Duh! When making the sheets fast leave a bit of a bight in the knot.
Fit the spinnaker pole clip to the bight in the sheet. Size the
bight so it fits snugly and there will be little or no chafe.

I use a continuous sheet. I secure it to the clew using a figure 8
knot. The bight I use is the looped end of the figure 8.


We use a continuous sheet as well, and every so often undo it and move
it around to help spread the wear load. However, that was before the
chafe of the subject post...

Ours isn't a figure 8, and even if it were, I'm not getting the
picture on a loop, not running tight as the sheets are used. I don't
know that we'd use that modus; a primary reason for the original post
had to do with the ability to reef the genny, or even stow it, without
having to deal with the pole, should conditions get snotty enough to
make you wish you weren't on deck.

As to a workaround using a short piece of line mentioned elsewhere,
that's exactly how I overcame the broken bail on the pole; we could
easily do the same with the clew, if we were willing to give up the
reefing convenience.

Yesterday was nearly an all-day spinnaker run (from Martha's Vineyard
to Block Island), but we only have an asym. We did, in fact, jibe it,
as you'll see on the SPOT page should you care to look at it.
Eventually we became overpowered and put it down in favor of the
genny, making it just before dark. Started in the forecast 10-15 NE,
full sails, then died so put up the asym wing and wing; ghosted along,
making me think we weren't going to get there before dark, but
eventually the wind picked up enough that I struck the main and we
did, in fact, make it anchor-down just before dark.

More later on that in my next log post, prolly following Labor day...

--
L8R

Skip

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"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
...
Well, not a joke...

We like using our spinnaker pole (we don't have a whisker pole) to
hold our genoa out in dead-downwind or there-abouts situations. We
can rig it so we can furl the genny if needed, by putting the sheet
through the jaw, and of course can also release it readily. We
have a topping lift for the pole and fore and after guys. As we
always use it that way, we're able to "set it and forget it" by
markings on the guys, placing it in the same position each time.
The pole rides on a mast track on the other end.

However, in really rolly stuff, the sail moves around enough that
the sheets also move in the jaw, leading to chafe.

So, a couple of questions...

Given a spin pole rather than a whisker, and the need, perhaps, to
furl the genny quickly (and the jaw not being big enough to attach
to the clew), is there a better way to rig?

Secondly, for those advocating this modus, how do you avoid chafing
the sheets?


I hope this helps.

Wilbur Hubbard.

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Responding to my own thread, (for latecomers, the question was how to
avoid sheet chafe on a poled-out genoa - I left the original below for
the curious) I have the solution:

Talking with a Seven Seas Cruising Association Commodore who's
anchored next to us yesterday, we learned the way he did his pole. I
see no reason it would not cure our problem.

He'd been wing/wing on an Atlantic passage, for days at a time. He
used a snatch block to the pole jaw, with the sheet passing through
the block, rather than the jaw.

You could still furl with the pole in place, pull the pin if you had
to unhook quickly, but had no chafe issues.

Thanks for all the contributors to this thread. I'll try to come back
with a log posting sometime soon, but we're too busy lately to take
the time. Today is resew (restitch) the MackPack, redo the lazy jacks
locations, and try to ameliorate the butcher job the guy I had our new
main sent to last year, the worst end result being that the battens
catch on the way up, others being mere nuisances.

--
L8R

Skip

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hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts."
(Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah)

"Skip Gundlach" wrote in message
...
Well, not a joke...

We like using our spinnaker pole (we don't have a whisker pole) to
hold our genoa out in dead-downwind or there-abouts situations.
We can rig it so we can furl the genny if needed, by putting the
sheet through the jaw, and of course can also release it readily.
We have a topping lift for the pole and fore and after guys. As
we always use it that way, we're able to "set it and forget it" by
markings on the guys, placing it in the same position each time.
The pole rides on a mast track on the other end.

However, in really rolly stuff, the sail moves around enough that
the sheets also move in the jaw, leading to chafe.

So, a couple of questions...

Given a spin pole rather than a whisker, and the need, perhaps, to
furl the genny quickly (and the jaw not being big enough to attach
to the clew), is there a better way to rig?

Secondly, for those advocating this modus, how do you avoid
chafing the sheets?

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"Skip Gundlach" wrote

..... and try to ameliorate the butcher job the guy I had our new main
sent to last year, the worst end result being that the battens catch on
the way up, others being mere nuisances.


If you find a way to keep battens from catching on lazy jacks on a marconi
main, other that hoisting quickly exactly when the wind centers the sail,
please let me know what it is.

I've rigged my lazy jacks to stow out of the way secured under the reefing
hooks and set them up just before lowering. It's quick and easy but might
not be on a larger boat with a bimini. I've recently experimented with
hoisting with the lazy jacks set up. It works well with a crew briefed to
steer so the main centers but I do a lot of single handed hoisting in the
tight quarters of the harbor so usually just let the sail dump on the cabin
top so I can hoist quickly without being exactly head to wind. Even though
the sheet is free, the sail doesn't seem to center between the jacks unless
there is a helmsman steering the boat back and forth.

BTW are you going to turn SPOT back on?

--
Roger Long

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Hi, Roger, et. al.,

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
"Skip Gundlach" wrote

..... and try to ameliorate the butcher job the guy I had our new
main sent to last year, the worst end result being that the battens
catch on the way up, others being mere nuisances.


If you find a way to keep battens from catching on lazy jacks on a
marconi main, other that hoisting quickly exactly when the wind
centers the sail, please let me know what it is.

I've rigged my lazy jacks to stow out of the way secured under the
reefing hooks and set them up just before lowering. It's quick and
easy but might not be on a larger boat with a bimini. I've
recently experimented with hoisting with the lazy jacks set up. It
works well with a crew briefed to steer so the main centers but I do
a lot of single handed hoisting in the tight quarters of the harbor
so usually just let the sail dump on the cabin top so I can hoist
quickly without being exactly head to wind. Even though the sheet
is free, the sail doesn't seem to center between the jacks unless
there is a helmsman steering the boat back and forth.


The problem with my sail is that Sail Care disregarded our very
detailed discussions and instructions and CUT OPEN the closed pockets
we had ordered (it could have been as they altered it, free), and
added Velcro pulls for adjustment. The specific I instructed was to
just use the battslides' bolt tensioner.

That protrusion, past the end of the sail, plus the fact that the
batten now protrudes from the surface of the sail, is what catches.
With any port wind, they foul. With a starboard wind, there's no
problem, because the sail itself doesn't catch. Then, of course, they
had the nerve to charge me for it, as well as another element which
could have been done at the factory/loft, free, and, then, adding
insult to injury, instead of using the intermediate, bolt-on slides,
they taped standard slides through the (half as many as ordered,
making flaking a real PITA) grommets (would have been free from the
loft) they also installed and charged me for.

I also have the ability to drop and pull parallel to the sail cover
the jacks; if I can't solve my problem, just dropping the starboard
side would cure it. I'm just ****ed and curse him every time I have
to raise the sail. Dropping it, with the strong track system I
installed, is literally, in an emergency, a matter of freeing the
halyard and letting go - it's down in less than a second. To be fair,
I've not tried it under stress (windy, not into the wind) but I'd
expect the same results.

However, given the butcher job they did on my slides' locations (far
too few, regardless of sewn or bolted), the bottom ~20" - and all the
way to the top at ~15" - folds (that's 40" down to "only" 30" between
slides!) don't flake nicely, and the battens usually don't lay flat,
or are inverted from the proper position. Now that I've redone the
lazy jacks, flaking it as I come down is much easier, but the new
locations have the ability to catch each and every batten, DAMMIT, MF,
!Q@#$%^&*

If they'd just done it as specified, I would not have the problem.
So, as to yours, a solution which I'm considering may also work;
sewing some sort of flap over the Velcro protrusions so that there's
no crevice in the sail/batten point.

BTW are you going to turn SPOT back on?

--
Roger Long

We'll not turn on spot again until we're moving; then, we'll try your
sequence and hope for the best.

--
L8R

Skip

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