Many of you are guilty of using a fallacious argument.

You argue that those who don't voyage or make long coastal passages are
unqualified to comment upon those who do. This argument you conduct by
posting messages in a news group using the English language via the written
word.

Yet, it is patently obvious that many of you are functionally illiterate or
close to it.

By your very own argument you are, therefore, not qualified to post your
argument that unless one is voyaging one cannot comment upon voyagers. You
negate your own point because there you are writing when you are not
writers.

Absurd? You bet. And so is the argument that one must be a voyager in order
to comment on voyaging. Or a cruiser in order to comment upon cruising. Or
living aboard in order to comment upon living aboard. And so it goes . . .

Wilbur Hubbard

On Aug 7, 3:14*pm, Dave wrote:
On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:42:15 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
said:

Absurd? You bet. And so is the argument that one must be a voyager in order
to comment on voyaging. Or a cruiser in order to comment upon cruising. Or
living aboard in order to comment upon living aboard. And so it goes . .

wrote in message
...
snip

"Just as a flower, which seems beautiful has color but no perfume, so
are the fruitless words of a man who speaks them but does them not."

Dahammpada



Hmmmm? Speaks them but does them not?

Now where does that apply so well? Oh, I know! I recall somebody speaking
words about delivering several tons of coffee beans by sail from Belize to
Texas. Does that fit into the category of speaking them but doing them not?

"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones." -- Geoffrey
Chaucer

Wilbur Hubbard
Master of turnabout!

"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in message
anews.com...

wrote in message
...
snip

"Just as a flower, which seems beautiful has color but no perfume, so
are the fruitless words of a man who speaks them but does them not."

Dahammpada



Hmmmm? Speaks them but does them not?

Now where does that apply so well? Oh, I know! I recall somebody speaking
words about delivering several tons of coffee beans by sail from Belize to
Texas. Does that fit into the category of speaking them but doing them
not?

"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones." -- Geoffrey
Chaucer

Wilbur Hubbard
Master of turnabout!



"He who smelt it, dealt it" ..
crewmate of old sailboat, somewhere off coast of Maine, 1980

On Aug 7, 7:14*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:

Wilbur Hubbard
Master of turnabout!

ROTFL

On Aug 7, 6:14*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
wrote in message

...
snip

"Just as a flower, which seems beautiful has color but no perfume, so
are the fruitless words of a man who speaks them but does them not."

Dahammpada

Hmmmm? Speaks them but does them not?

Now where does that apply so well? *Oh, I know! I recall somebody speaking
words about delivering several tons of coffee beans by sail from Belize to
Texas. Does that fit into the category of speaking them but doing them not?

You will have to ask Joe that, but from what I have read in the news
about El Lago Coffee they are still selling lots of coffee. I ordered
some myself off e-bay. They are using the profits to get another boat
and finish what they started. You should buy some of the coffee and
support the El Lago Coffee Co. efforts to reduce carbon emissions and
dependence on oil. Unless you're one of them who thinks there is no
future in sail transport.

It's nice to hear you are now off the coast of Africa zig zagging
between hurricanes in your mind, I cant wait to hear Popeyes reports.

If you ever get to the better part of Florida (Miami) come on by the
house and visit.

Fred





"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones." -- Geoffrey
Chaucer

Wilbur Hubbard
Master of turnabout!

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:05:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Aug 7, 6:14*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
wrote in message

...
snip

"Just as a flower, which seems beautiful has color but no perfume, so
are the fruitless words of a man who speaks them but does them not."

Dahammpada

Hmmmm? Speaks them but does them not?

Now where does that apply so well? *Oh, I know! I recall somebody speaking
words about delivering several tons of coffee beans by sail from Belize to
Texas. Does that fit into the category of speaking them but doing them not?

You will have to ask Joe that, but from what I have read in the news
about El Lago Coffee they are still selling lots of coffee. I ordered
some myself off e-bay. They are using the profits to get another boat
and finish what they started. You should buy some of the coffee and
support the El Lago Coffee Co. efforts to reduce carbon emissions and
dependence on oil. Unless you're one of them who thinks there is no
future in sail transport.

"Only in Den Helder in Holland did we meet the same idealism, will,
pride and hope as our own project is based on – the same deep interest
in ship building and square-rig sailing. There, volunteer boat
builders were building a brigantine for “fair transport” of “fair
trade” goods and products. They had what looked like an impossible
project – an old iron hull from WWII that needed covering with wooden
planks, a hull without mast, rig or sail, never mind internal
structures for mess rooms or cabins. But you could see the spark in
their eyes and their stories brought the ship alive for us. Perhaps
because we have been in their shoes, been through the start phase, the
building phase, and when it all looks a mess, we could understand
their idea, see what was fantastic about the empty hull and the plans.

The ship is called Tres Hombres and will hopefully be finished within
the next six months. Then they hope to sail with delicacies and “fair
trade” goods on various routes between Europe and the rest of the
world – also with inexperienced ship assistants who will have to learn
the art of sailing a brigantine. We shared a few pleasant hours taking
with these fellow “nerds” about the details. It was great to find a
project on our way home that could put ours in perspective. "

http://www.havhingsten.dk/index.php?...&L=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1996&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1092&cHash=27b59793ca

Tell Joe..

On Aug 8, 3:06*pm, Goofball_star_dot_etal
wrote:
On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:05:49 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Aug 7, 6:14*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:
wrote in message

....
snip

"Just as a flower, which seems beautiful has color but no perfume, so
are the fruitless words of a man who speaks them but does them not."

Dahammpada

Hmmmm? Speaks them but does them not?

Now where does that apply so well? *Oh, I know! I recall somebody speaking
words about delivering several tons of coffee beans by sail from Belize to
Texas. Does that fit into the category of speaking them but doing them not?

You will have to ask Joe that, but from what I have read in the news
about El Lago Coffee they are still selling lots of coffee. I ordered
some myself off e-bay. They are using the profits to get another boat
and finish what they started. You should buy some of the coffee and
support the El Lago Coffee Co. efforts to reduce carbon emissions and
dependence on oil. Unless you're one of them who thinks there is no
future in sail transport.

"Only in Den Helder in Holland did we meet the same idealism, will,
pride and hope as our own project is based on – the same deep interest
in ship building and square-rig sailing. There, volunteer boat
builders were building a brigantine for “fair transport” of “fair
trade” goods and products. They had what looked like an impossible
project – an old iron hull from WWII that needed covering with wooden
planks, a hull without mast, rig or sail, never mind internal
structures for mess rooms or cabins. But you could see the spark in
their eyes and their stories brought the ship alive for us. Perhaps
because we have been in their shoes, been through the start phase, the
building phase, and when it all looks a mess, we could understand
their idea, see what was fantastic about the empty hull and the plans.

The ship is called Tres Hombres and will hopefully be finished within
the next six months. Then they hope to sail with delicacies and “fair
trade” goods on various routes between Europe and the rest of the
world – also with inexperienced ship assistants who will have to learn
the art of sailing a brigantine. We shared a few pleasant hours taking
with these fellow “nerds” about the details. It was great to find a
project on our way home that could put ours in perspective. "

http://www.havhingsten.dk/index.php?...&L=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=1996&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1092&cHash=27b59793ca

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I passed the info on, interesting. They must be big ZZ top fans.
Could not find any pictures of the hull on-line.

Check this out
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.co...xaggerated/?hp

Fred