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Barry Morrison April 7th 04 02:03 AM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
Has anyone gone the length of the ICW with an Atomic 4 as their engine? Were
there any problems? What was the state of the motor like at the end of the
trip?

Many thanks.

Barry Morrison
Nightmoves



Steve April 7th 04 07:38 AM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 

"Barry Morrison" wrote in message
...
there any problems? What was the state of the motor like at the end of the
trip?


I haven't had any direct experience with the Atomic 4 but know that it has a
very good reputation as a gasoline engine in sail boats.

I think the intial question would be "what IS the condition of the motor at
the beginning".

If it is in good reliable condition at the beginning there shouldn't be any
reason to doubt it's ability to run for the number of hours to complete the
transit.

Remember it is not the operating hours the kill boat engines. It is the idle
and neglected hours where they suffer most.


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions



Steve April 7th 04 07:38 AM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 

"Barry Morrison" wrote in message
...
there any problems? What was the state of the motor like at the end of the
trip?


I haven't had any direct experience with the Atomic 4 but know that it has a
very good reputation as a gasoline engine in sail boats.

I think the intial question would be "what IS the condition of the motor at
the beginning".

If it is in good reliable condition at the beginning there shouldn't be any
reason to doubt it's ability to run for the number of hours to complete the
transit.

Remember it is not the operating hours the kill boat engines. It is the idle
and neglected hours where they suffer most.


--
My opinion and experience. FWIW

Steve
s/v Good Intentions



Rich Hampel April 7th 04 08:40 AM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
Rarely do Atomic-4 engines wear out; they just corrode away.
The condition of the A4 before the trip is definitely the key of how
well it will be at the end of the trip.

Go to www.moyermarine.com and get Don Moyer's (worlds A4 guru)
"Maintenance and Repair Manual". The ~$50 cost will be the best
investment you can make in an A4. Most 'mechanics' nowadays no longer
'know' this engine. You can use the manual yourself and learn the 'ins
& outs' of the engine; or, 'loan' it to your mechanic when he works on
it - either way will result in heightened savings and prolonged life of
the engine.

Hope this helps

Rich Hampel April 7th 04 08:40 AM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
Rarely do Atomic-4 engines wear out; they just corrode away.
The condition of the A4 before the trip is definitely the key of how
well it will be at the end of the trip.

Go to www.moyermarine.com and get Don Moyer's (worlds A4 guru)
"Maintenance and Repair Manual". The ~$50 cost will be the best
investment you can make in an A4. Most 'mechanics' nowadays no longer
'know' this engine. You can use the manual yourself and learn the 'ins
& outs' of the engine; or, 'loan' it to your mechanic when he works on
it - either way will result in heightened savings and prolonged life of
the engine.

Hope this helps

Kevin April 9th 04 01:12 PM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
"Barry Morrison" wrote in message ...
Has anyone gone the length of the ICW with an Atomic 4 as their engine? Were
there any problems? What was the state of the motor like at the end of the
trip?

Many thanks.

Barry Morrison
Nightmoves



Barry,

We travelled last year from Toronto to Cuba and back ( Erie Canal,
Hudson River, ICW most of the way down and back) with an atomic 4 in
excellent condition prior to leaving. Total engine hours were approx
850 for that trip. We had to replace the water pump and electric fuel
pump, in the Chesepeake. Otherwise the engine was completely trouble
free. We will need an overhaul this year however.

The only real concern for us was the excessive fuel cost relative to
diesel!

Cheers,
Kevin

Kevin April 9th 04 01:12 PM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
"Barry Morrison" wrote in message ...
Has anyone gone the length of the ICW with an Atomic 4 as their engine? Were
there any problems? What was the state of the motor like at the end of the
trip?

Many thanks.

Barry Morrison
Nightmoves



Barry,

We travelled last year from Toronto to Cuba and back ( Erie Canal,
Hudson River, ICW most of the way down and back) with an atomic 4 in
excellent condition prior to leaving. Total engine hours were approx
850 for that trip. We had to replace the water pump and electric fuel
pump, in the Chesepeake. Otherwise the engine was completely trouble
free. We will need an overhaul this year however.

The only real concern for us was the excessive fuel cost relative to
diesel!

Cheers,
Kevin

Rich Hampel April 9th 04 01:42 PM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
I
The only real concern for us was the excessive fuel cost relative to
diesel!

Most A4 configurations are found with props that have too great a pitch
and diameter. A perfect match prop (pitch and dia.) plus the
installation of an adjustable carburator main jet will make these old
engine very efficient 'fuel-wise'.

Rich Hampel April 9th 04 01:42 PM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
I
The only real concern for us was the excessive fuel cost relative to
diesel!

Most A4 configurations are found with props that have too great a pitch
and diameter. A perfect match prop (pitch and dia.) plus the
installation of an adjustable carburator main jet will make these old
engine very efficient 'fuel-wise'.

JAXAshby April 9th 04 08:51 PM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
A perfect match prop (pitch and dia.) plus the
installation of an adjustable carburator main jet will make these old
engine very efficient 'fuel-wise'.


I found my A/4 going down the ICW was using about 1/2 gallon/hour, though I
wasn't pushing the boat speed. The only problem I had was that aftermarket
fresh water cooling pump. I eventually took it out of the loop and used the
engine raw water cooled just fine.

JAXAshby April 9th 04 08:51 PM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
A perfect match prop (pitch and dia.) plus the
installation of an adjustable carburator main jet will make these old
engine very efficient 'fuel-wise'.


I found my A/4 going down the ICW was using about 1/2 gallon/hour, though I
wasn't pushing the boat speed. The only problem I had was that aftermarket
fresh water cooling pump. I eventually took it out of the loop and used the
engine raw water cooled just fine.

Barry Morrison April 11th 04 05:57 PM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
I would like to thank the group for their replies. I now know it is more
than feasible to take my Grampian 30 with its Atomic 4 down the ICW. Some
great tips about what to watch out for re fuel and water pumps, prop pitch,
carburetor adjustments, fuel costs, mechanics' knowledge, and more. Thank
you, people, for helping make a dream come one step closer to reality.

Barry Morrison
Nightmoves
"Kevin" wrote in message
om...
"Barry Morrison" wrote in message

...
Has anyone gone the length of the ICW with an Atomic 4 as their engine?

Were
there any problems? What was the state of the motor like at the end of

the
trip?

Many thanks.

Barry Morrison
Nightmoves



Barry,

We travelled last year from Toronto to Cuba and back ( Erie Canal,
Hudson River, ICW most of the way down and back) with an atomic 4 in
excellent condition prior to leaving. Total engine hours were approx
850 for that trip. We had to replace the water pump and electric fuel
pump, in the Chesepeake. Otherwise the engine was completely trouble
free. We will need an overhaul this year however.

The only real concern for us was the excessive fuel cost relative to
diesel!

Cheers,
Kevin




Barry Morrison April 11th 04 05:57 PM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
I would like to thank the group for their replies. I now know it is more
than feasible to take my Grampian 30 with its Atomic 4 down the ICW. Some
great tips about what to watch out for re fuel and water pumps, prop pitch,
carburetor adjustments, fuel costs, mechanics' knowledge, and more. Thank
you, people, for helping make a dream come one step closer to reality.

Barry Morrison
Nightmoves
"Kevin" wrote in message
om...
"Barry Morrison" wrote in message

...
Has anyone gone the length of the ICW with an Atomic 4 as their engine?

Were
there any problems? What was the state of the motor like at the end of

the
trip?

Many thanks.

Barry Morrison
Nightmoves



Barry,

We travelled last year from Toronto to Cuba and back ( Erie Canal,
Hudson River, ICW most of the way down and back) with an atomic 4 in
excellent condition prior to leaving. Total engine hours were approx
850 for that trip. We had to replace the water pump and electric fuel
pump, in the Chesepeake. Otherwise the engine was completely trouble
free. We will need an overhaul this year however.

The only real concern for us was the excessive fuel cost relative to
diesel!

Cheers,
Kevin




rhys April 12th 04 04:40 AM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:57:00 -0500, "Barry Morrison"
wrote:

I would like to thank the group for their replies. I now know it is more
than feasible to take my Grampian 30 with its Atomic 4 down the ICW. Some
great tips about what to watch out for re fuel and water pumps, prop pitch,
carburetor adjustments, fuel costs, mechanics' knowledge, and more. Thank
you, people, for helping make a dream come one step closer to reality.

Barry Morrison
Nightmoves

If you aren't already on it, I have found the Atomic 4 list on Sailnet
to be an incredible source of knowledge, advice and practical help on
the care and feeding of the Atomic Bomb.

Treat it right, and it will outlast the boat it sits in. And, like
your Mamma told you, remember to flush.

R.

rhys April 12th 04 04:40 AM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:57:00 -0500, "Barry Morrison"
wrote:

I would like to thank the group for their replies. I now know it is more
than feasible to take my Grampian 30 with its Atomic 4 down the ICW. Some
great tips about what to watch out for re fuel and water pumps, prop pitch,
carburetor adjustments, fuel costs, mechanics' knowledge, and more. Thank
you, people, for helping make a dream come one step closer to reality.

Barry Morrison
Nightmoves

If you aren't already on it, I have found the Atomic 4 list on Sailnet
to be an incredible source of knowledge, advice and practical help on
the care and feeding of the Atomic Bomb.

Treat it right, and it will outlast the boat it sits in. And, like
your Mamma told you, remember to flush.

R.

Rich Hampel April 12th 04 04:48 PM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
Treat it right, and it will outlast the boat it sits in. And, like
your Mamma told you, remember to flush.


....... but if possible never let it 'dry out'. Always leave it full of
cooling water. Especially the exhaust manifold will form huge
"platelets of rust" if its left to "dry-out" for long periods ....
just like most cast iron. ..... same reason that Navy ships hardly
ever fully shut down and let the engine cooling water systems drain.







In article , rhys wrote:


On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:57:00 -0500, "Barry Morrison"
wrote:

I would like to thank the group for their replies. I now know it is more
than feasible to take my Grampian 30 with its Atomic 4 down the ICW. Some
great tips about what to watch out for re fuel and water pumps, prop pitch,
carburetor adjustments, fuel costs, mechanics' knowledge, and more. Thank
you, people, for helping make a dream come one step closer to reality.

Barry Morrison
Nightmoves

If you aren't already on it, I have found the Atomic 4 list on Sailnet
to be an incredible source of knowledge, advice and practical help on
the care and feeding of the Atomic Bomb.

Treat it right, and it will outlast the boat it sits in. And, like
your Mamma told you, remember to flush.

R.


Rich Hampel April 12th 04 04:48 PM

Atomic 4 on the ICW
 
Treat it right, and it will outlast the boat it sits in. And, like
your Mamma told you, remember to flush.


....... but if possible never let it 'dry out'. Always leave it full of
cooling water. Especially the exhaust manifold will form huge
"platelets of rust" if its left to "dry-out" for long periods ....
just like most cast iron. ..... same reason that Navy ships hardly
ever fully shut down and let the engine cooling water systems drain.







In article , rhys wrote:


On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:57:00 -0500, "Barry Morrison"
wrote:

I would like to thank the group for their replies. I now know it is more
than feasible to take my Grampian 30 with its Atomic 4 down the ICW. Some
great tips about what to watch out for re fuel and water pumps, prop pitch,
carburetor adjustments, fuel costs, mechanics' knowledge, and more. Thank
you, people, for helping make a dream come one step closer to reality.

Barry Morrison
Nightmoves

If you aren't already on it, I have found the Atomic 4 list on Sailnet
to be an incredible source of knowledge, advice and practical help on
the care and feeding of the Atomic Bomb.

Treat it right, and it will outlast the boat it sits in. And, like
your Mamma told you, remember to flush.

R.



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