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(Richard Casady) wrote in
: They have triples in the US. Casady You boys have been, once again, outdone! http://www.snopes.com/photos/boats/drugrunner.asp over 2000hp "inflatable"? How much does 8 Yamaha 250s drink, anyways at WOT?? With 300 kilos of pure cocaine aboard, I don't suppose it matters much... (c; Gives counter-rotating props and cavitation a whole new dimension! |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:20:04 +1000, Herodotus
wrote: On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:54:00 -0500, Vic Smith wrote: I've read they have long freight train-like multi-trailer rigs in Oz. That might require a little care in who is "engineering" the train. I think doubles are the limit in the U.S., but wouldn't swear to it. Most trucker regulation here is done after an accident. --Vic Hi Vic Yes, the tractor (truck) unit tows three semi-trailers. They are called "road trains". In the Northern Territory these travel at whatever speed they care to as there is no speed limit. Bare in mind that there is not the traffic density that would be on a similar US highway. They carry stock, grain and goods. The longest are from Adelaide at the bottom in South Australia to Darwin in Northern Territory right at the top. Basically all of the goods that Darwin consumes come from Adelaide. Would be a great job for a while. BTW Am back home in Malaysia staying with my kids with a friend/colleague at his kampong near Kelang near the capital Kuala Lumpur. The Indonesian maid makes superb black coffee from Java beans. There is nothing like being greeted in the morning with a cup of such coffee. Now that says something about standards of living. Here you are in a benighted, backward, 3rd world country and you've got a housemaid.....I wonder how many readers in the U.S. have one? You can keep your US imperialistic Starbucks. I'll have my real Java coffee. She roasts and pounds the beans herself so that there is some variation in taste each day. Not a science perhaps but allows the delight of daily discovery and comparison. I offered to buy her an electric coffee grounder but she merely screwed up her face at my offer. cheers Peter Many years ago, when I was working in Jakarta, my secretary married a Batak. When she returned from Medan she, of course, brought back some ola-ola (presents). Mine was a kilogram of coffee. Goodness, it was good and as I was the only coffee drinker in my house I rationed myself to one cup after supper each evening. But of course, the time eventually came when the coffee bag was empty. I mentioned to my secretary how good the coffee had been and was it possible that she could get some more... No trouble she says, she'll just call her sister-in-law and have her send another kilo. "I'll be glad to pay for it", says I, whereupon she looks very embarrassed and mutters that "no problem, it was the cheapest coffee in the market". Ha! The cheapest coffee in the Medan market tastes better then Starbuck's best. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 03:47:19 +0000, Larry wrote:
Herodotus wrote in : On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:15:22 +0000, Larry wrote: Herodotus wrote in : they are a part of every male's manhood. Bull****! I'm lookin' at mine and I don't see no car! Poor little willy ain't got no license to drive it anyways. That's the only reason he takes me out on dates with the girls!....duty driver! Larry, You always seem to come out of left field and make me laugh. I guess that's why I love you. cheers Peter Damned Dutch beer.... I was hoping you'd get a kick out of it...(c; Boat groups are always way too serious, fussing over the damndest crap like varnish and rope. The place needs more fun....before they all turn to STONE! Since you said it first I guess I can chime in. The thread about tying on fenders..... Damn, a Real Sailor would just chain the tires to the gunwale and ignore them until they fall off...... Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
: Damn, a Real Sailor would just chain the tires to the gunwale and ignore them until they fall off...... Yachties would use the finest stainless chain from the most expensive boat chandler in town. That would make it OK....(c; |
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:47:18 +0000, Larry wrote:
Bruce in Bangkok wrote in : Damn, a Real Sailor would just chain the tires to the gunwale and ignore them until they fall off...... Yachties would use the finest stainless chain from the most expensive boat chandler in town. That would make it OK....(c; And, I understand, white sidewalls are in vogue, also. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
: And, I understand, white sidewalls are in vogue, also. Close but not quite right. Just like everything else he owns on the dock, the tires would have to be SOLID WHITE RUBBER, also specially purchased from the most expensive chandler in town. Real tires, especially like those around the tugboat on the pier, are way too inexpensive to use as fenders.... |
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On Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:12:53 +0000, Larry wrote:
Bruce in Bangkok wrote in : And, I understand, white sidewalls are in vogue, also. Close but not quite right. Just like everything else he owns on the dock, the tires would have to be SOLID WHITE RUBBER, also specially purchased from the most expensive chandler in town. Real tires, especially like those around the tugboat on the pier, are way too inexpensive to use as fenders.... Ah.... Unfortunately I was raised by parents who got married during the height of the Great Depression and thus was taught an, apparently strange in modern terms, respect for money. "If it works then use it". Shoot! If I'd come up with the idea of using old, wore out, (cheap) tires for fenders folks would have pointed me out on the streets - "look at old Bruce there, why he got fenders for his boat FREE!". On a less frivolous note, there is a boat down the dock from me that has real car tires for fenders - carefully covered by custom sewed covers made from Sunbrella fabric.......And tied to the lifelines with sparkling white double-braid. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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Bruce in Bangkok wrote in
: Ah.... Unfortunately I was raised by parents who got married during the height of the Great Depression and thus was taught an, apparently strange in modern terms, respect for money. "If it works then use it". Wrong concept. Modern, American at least, yachties must spend every available penny on the most expensive crap West Marine delivers, even if it's cheap plastic crap from the China sweatshops. Hell, WM sells them a little plastic 12V box fan for a HUNDRED US DOLLARS! |
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In article , Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
On a less frivolous note, there is a boat down the dock from me that has real car tires for fenders - carefully covered by custom sewed covers made from Sunbrella fabric.......And tied to the lifelines with sparkling white double-braid. That's another way of recycling. The tyres will probably last longer than regular fenders too. I guess that without the fabric covers the tyre rubber will mark the boat, so they're not just to improve appearances. Justin. BTW: Tyres are those air-filled rubber things on the wheels of an automobile, tires is what one does when one works hard ;-) -- Justin C, by the sea. |
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Justin C wrote in
: BTW: Tyres are those air-filled rubber things on the wheels of an automobile, tires is what one does when one works hard ;-) My English captain's name is Tyres..... |
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On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:52:17 -0400, wrote:
Yes, and the water that collects in each one makes a dandy little mosquito factory. In many locales, that spells "West Nile Virus". Only if you are too dumb to provide a drain hole. When they just lie arround in piles, they collect rainwater, and one hole won't deal with that. Casady |
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On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:56:13 -0000, Justin C
wrote: In article , Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On a less frivolous note, there is a boat down the dock from me that has real car tires for fenders - carefully covered by custom sewed covers made from Sunbrella fabric.......And tied to the lifelines with sparkling white double-braid. That's another way of recycling. The tyres will probably last longer than regular fenders too. I guess that without the fabric covers the tyre rubber will mark the boat, so they're not just to improve appearances. Justin. BTW: Tyres are those air-filled rubber things on the wheels of an automobile, tires is what one does when one works hard ;-) Nope, won't mark the boat at all! Been aboard many tugs and work boats. Never seen a fender mark at all. Just paint the hull black..... Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:15:27 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:51:56 -0500, Rick Morel wrote: On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:52:17 -0400, wrote: Yes, and the water that collects in each one makes a dandy little mosquito factory. In many locales, that spells "West Nile Virus". That's why holes are drilled in the bottoms. Which end of a tire is the bottom? LOL Easy enough to figure out. Just hang the damned thing up and the side opposite the top is the bottom :-( Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:20:32 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:56:13 -0000, Justin C wrote: In article , Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On a less frivolous note, there is a boat down the dock from me that has real car tires for fenders - carefully covered by custom sewed covers made from Sunbrella fabric.......And tied to the lifelines with sparkling white double-braid. That's another way of recycling. The tyres will probably last longer than regular fenders too. I guess that without the fabric covers the tyre rubber will mark the boat, so they're not just to improve appearances. Justin. BTW: Tyres are those air-filled rubber things on the wheels of an automobile, tires is what one does when one works hard ;-) Nope, won't mark the boat at all! Been aboard many tugs and work boats. Never seen a fender mark at all. Just paint the hull black..... Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) Most of the ones I have seen on boats just have thick plastic garbage bags around them to prevent hull marking. Peter |
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On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:43:00 +1000, Herodotus
wrote: On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:20:32 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:56:13 -0000, Justin C wrote: In article , Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On a less frivolous note, there is a boat down the dock from me that has real car tires for fenders - carefully covered by custom sewed covers made from Sunbrella fabric.......And tied to the lifelines with sparkling white double-braid. That's another way of recycling. The tyres will probably last longer than regular fenders too. I guess that without the fabric covers the tyre rubber will mark the boat, so they're not just to improve appearances. Justin. BTW: Tyres are those air-filled rubber things on the wheels of an automobile, tires is what one does when one works hard ;-) Nope, won't mark the boat at all! Been aboard many tugs and work boats. Never seen a fender mark at all. Just paint the hull black..... Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) Most of the ones I have seen on boats just have thick plastic garbage bags around them to prevent hull marking. Peter Obviously not Real Sailors! =:-) As discussed with Larry, a real yachtie would use tires from a compact car, not from a truck (ugh), and then swath them in a custom made Sunbrella cover with a white double braid mooring line. At least the guy down the dock did. Better yet to anchor out where you don't need fenders. If you are using a hard dinghy just let your significant other stick her leg over the side to keep the dinghy off the topsides paint. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 08:13:38 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:23:58 GMT, (Richard Casady) wrote: On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:52:17 -0400, wrote: Yes, and the water that collects in each one makes a dandy little mosquito factory. In many locales, that spells "West Nile Virus". Only if you are too dumb to provide a drain hole. When they just lie arround in piles, they collect rainwater, and one hole won't deal with that. Casady First you have to be dumb enough to use old tires for fenders. I don;t know. Sure are a lot of boats using them... maybe somebody knows something we don;t know? Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:15:27 -0400, wrote:
That's why holes are drilled in the bottoms. Which end of a tire is the bottom? LOL I knew that was coming!! LOL According to the CDC, the best way to deal with West Nile is to get it. Total baloney. The CDC web link you gave basically backs me up, without coming out and saying so plainly. You have to dig through the stats. The very young, infirmed and elderly are at even more risk from the "common" flu. Or anything else for that matter. Let's not debate it, okay? Neither of us will change the other's mind, so let it be enough that two views were shown. Rick ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** |
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On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:20:19 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: First you have to be dumb enough to use old tires for fenders. I don;t know. Sure are a lot of boats using them... maybe somebody knows something we don;t know? Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) A lot of cruising boats traveling through the European canals swear by them as they often lie alongside barges. I have often seen them in use (small car ones, not trucks) in harbours in Spain and Italy where boats are moored to the quay or marina dock and packed in so tightly that it is normal to touch each other. Normal boating fenders can get torn off as one yacht rocks in a swell and pulls its neighbour's fenders downwards. Makes sense to use tyres in this case. Peter |
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"Herodotus" wrote in message ... On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:20:19 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: First you have to be dumb enough to use old tires for fenders. I don;t know. Sure are a lot of boats using them... maybe somebody knows something we don;t know? Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) A lot of cruising boats traveling through the European canals swear by them as they often lie alongside barges. I have often seen them in use (small car ones, not trucks) in harbours in Spain and Italy where boats are moored to the quay or marina dock and packed in so tightly that it is normal to touch each other. Normal boating fenders can get torn off as one yacht rocks in a swell and pulls its neighbour's fenders downwards. Makes sense to use tyres in this case. Peter Yes, that is right. I took a yacht through the Canal du Midi in France some years ago. People go through with tyres all round the boat since you never know how many barges etc they are going to cram into the locks with you. When you get to the other end you just leave the tyres on the quayside for someone who is going the other way. Good system, works well. |
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On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:58:06 -0400, wrote:
On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:20:19 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 08:13:38 -0400, wrote: On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:23:58 GMT, (Richard Casady) wrote: On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 16:52:17 -0400, wrote: Yes, and the water that collects in each one makes a dandy little mosquito factory. In many locales, that spells "West Nile Virus". Only if you are too dumb to provide a drain hole. When they just lie arround in piles, they collect rainwater, and one hole won't deal with that. Casady First you have to be dumb enough to use old tires for fenders. I don;t know. Sure are a lot of boats using them... maybe somebody knows something we don;t know? The masses often make foolish choices. Just because you see a lot of boats doing it, doesn't make it smart. It may even increase the odds that it's stupid. How so? The purpose of a fender is to keep your boat from banging into other things, or other things from banging into your boat. Tires work wonderfully well for that purpose as they can be obtained in various grades of size and flexibility to work with nearly any size of vessel up to about 200 ft. in size. Readily obtainable in most places in the world. In fact, "if you see a lot of boats doing it" usually does make it a good idea. Take the diversity of fishing boat styles from place to place. Why there is even a difference between in shore and off shore hull shapes - all due to different conditions, and thus logical and a "good idea". Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 08:59:57 +1000, Herodotus
wrote: On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:58:06 -0400, wrote: First you have to be dumb enough to use old tires for fenders. I don;t know. Sure are a lot of boats using them... maybe somebody knows something we don;t know? The masses often make foolish choices. Just because you see a lot of boats doing it, doesn't make it smart. It may even increase the odds that it's stupid. Thank you. It appears that I and many others are obviously not smart and are stupid. Apart from using commercially available small boat fenders for which the aforementioned conditions would warrant too many to be able to stow or utulise afterwards, the only other option I can come up with is not to sail to these places or stay at home. Is there another option that has somehow missed the masses in their "dumb enough" emulation of each other? regards Peter Obviously you are not a REAL SAILOR since if you were you would send off to West marine to get some new, pristine, white, fenders ( I know that this is the way real sailors do it as I once knew a "real sailor" who convinced a group of yachties join together to order batteries from W.M. and have them air freighted from America to Langkawi, Malaysia). Once you receive your fenders (they really do look good) you will need to buy a bicycle pump to inflate them, which, as it can be stored away in a locker out of sight, you are allowed to purchase on the local economy, and then (Lord they are beautiful) you will understand the need for "Fender covers" which, again, you can procure from W.M. and have shipped to you nearly anywhere in the world. Once you have obtained your beautiful new fenders, and clothed them in sparkling new clothes, you have the problem that brushing against some filthy jetty might discolor them. One solution is to purchase a length of Sunbrella cloth and make a curtain (sometimes people use old sails for this but it is not as elegant a solution) to go between the fender clothes and the grotty jetty. Of course, you will need to have this curtain sewn by your local sail/canopy maker using special thread and be very, very, sure that he installs stainless grommets to attach the white (Must be white) lanyards to attach it to the side of your boat). Do Not, under any conditions have this done by the old guy, down to the corner that sews truck tarpaulin! This curtain will protect your pristine new fenders (clothed with sparkling new fender covers) thus protecting your boat. Or, you can go down to the second hand guy and buy some tires for $0.50 a set...... Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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The masses often make foolish choices. Just because you see a lot of boats doing it, doesn't make it smart. It may even increase the odds that it's stupid. How so? The purpose of a fender is to keep your boat from banging into other things, or other things from banging into your boat. Tires work wonderfully well for that purpose as they can be obtained in various grades of size and flexibility to work with nearly any size of vessel up to about 200 ft. in size. Readily obtainable in most places in the world. In fact, "if you see a lot of boats doing it" usually does make it a good idea. Take the diversity of fishing boat styles from place to place. Why there is even a difference between in shore and off shore hull shapes - all due to different conditions, and thus logical and a "good idea". Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) It may sound terribly British but............ Hear, Hear!! Well said Sir!! Peter |
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It may sound terribly British but............ Hear, Hear!! Well said Sir!! Peter It's been a VERY long time since Britannia ruled the waves. Perhaps, but she did do it rather well and for quite a while until the Japanese sunk two capital ships who foolishly had no air cover. However, the British comedian Spike Milligan said many years ago that the British Empire ended at Charing Cross Station in London. |
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In article , wrote:
On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:30:39 -0000, Justin C wrote: In article , wrote: It's been a VERY long time since Britannia ruled the waves. It's been even longer since you posted anything worth reading. Justin. Well, aren't you just the clever little runt. I'm sorry, what was that? Did I touch a nerve? Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. |
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In article , wrote:
On Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:33:47 -0000, Justin C wrote: In article , wrote: On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:30:39 -0000, Justin C wrote: In article , wrote: It's been a VERY long time since Britannia ruled the waves. It's been even longer since you posted anything worth reading. Justin. Well, aren't you just the clever little runt. I'm sorry, what was that? Did I touch a nerve? Justin. Hardly, little runt. Go play in traffic. Can I borrow the AIS? Justin. -- Justin C, by the sea. |
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On 2008-08-02 13:04:39 -0400, "Edgar" said:
I took a yacht through the Canal du Midi in France some years ago. People go through with tyres all round the boat since you never know how many barges etc they are going to cram into the locks with you. When you get to the other end you just leave the tyres on the quayside for someone who is going the other way. Good system, works well. That sounds like a good system. I certainly wouldn't want to stow things that big unless I was likely to need them regularly. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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