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On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:00:18 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote: If I get enough confidence in the new autopilot I might try it this year. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a Good on you, Rodney. With a J-boat, how could you resist? I wish they made a cruiser...G R. |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:55:28 -0400, rhys wrote:
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:00:18 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote: If I get enough confidence in the new autopilot I might try it this year. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a Good on you, Rodney. With a J-boat, how could you resist? I wish they made a cruiser...G I can resist until I have it all worked out in my mind. All spinnaker flying has been double handed up to now, with my wife at the helm while I get it up or down. Last year we sprang for a geriatric aid, an ATN sock. Before that our takedown (leeward) was fine as long as we were on the same jibe as we had hoisted on. But an odd number of jibes would leave us with the halyard and sheet on opposite sides of the boat, where I couldn't reach them simultaneously. Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a third person. Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a Entering your freshman dorm for the first time, and seeing an axe head come through the door on your right. |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 00:55:28 -0400, rhys wrote:
On Mon, 05 Apr 2004 13:00:18 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote: If I get enough confidence in the new autopilot I might try it this year. Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a Good on you, Rodney. With a J-boat, how could you resist? I wish they made a cruiser...G I can resist until I have it all worked out in my mind. All spinnaker flying has been double handed up to now, with my wife at the helm while I get it up or down. Last year we sprang for a geriatric aid, an ATN sock. Before that our takedown (leeward) was fine as long as we were on the same jibe as we had hoisted on. But an odd number of jibes would leave us with the halyard and sheet on opposite sides of the boat, where I couldn't reach them simultaneously. Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a third person. Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a Entering your freshman dorm for the first time, and seeing an axe head come through the door on your right. |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote: Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a third person. =============================== It can be done with an autopilot and a little practice, at least in light to moderate wind and seas. The autopilot steers the boat on a dead run. Boom is sheeted amidship, spinnaker pole, sheet and guy are squared. Foredeck person goes forward to trip the pole off. Cockpit person dips the topping lift. Foredeck person brings pole through fore triangle and reclips to lazy guy. Cockpit person raises topping lift, foredeck returns to cockpit. Mainsail is jibed over. Sheets and guys retrimmed to new course. Autopilot steers, crew returns to Margaritaville. The advantage of sheeting the boom amidship during the jibe is that it helps to keep the spinnaker full, and it is one less thing for the cockpit person to be concerned with. This is risky in heavier air however because the wind can catch the main and cause a broach. |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote: Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a third person. =============================== It can be done with an autopilot and a little practice, at least in light to moderate wind and seas. The autopilot steers the boat on a dead run. Boom is sheeted amidship, spinnaker pole, sheet and guy are squared. Foredeck person goes forward to trip the pole off. Cockpit person dips the topping lift. Foredeck person brings pole through fore triangle and reclips to lazy guy. Cockpit person raises topping lift, foredeck returns to cockpit. Mainsail is jibed over. Sheets and guys retrimmed to new course. Autopilot steers, crew returns to Margaritaville. The advantage of sheeting the boom amidship during the jibe is that it helps to keep the spinnaker full, and it is one less thing for the cockpit person to be concerned with. This is risky in heavier air however because the wind can catch the main and cause a broach. |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote: I can resist until I have it all worked out in my mind. All spinnaker flying has been double handed up to now, with my wife at the helm while I get it up or down. Agreed. I have a 33 1/2 footer, and it's no joke to wrestle that large expanse of fabric. Last year we sprang for a geriatric aid, an ATN sock. Before that our takedown (leeward) was fine as long as we were on the same jibe as we had hoisted on. Gee, and here I thought an ATN sock was great for guys in their 40s G But an odd number of jibes would leave us with the halyard and sheet on opposite sides of the boat, where I couldn't reach them simultaneously. Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a third person. I've seen that operation suffer with four crew running it on a C&C 41, so three on your boat would seem to be a minimum. If conditions are perfect, one can manage it, but conditions are rarely perfect, and to be short-handed is the sailmaker's joy at best, and potentially a dangerous broach situation at worst. Been there, done that, and helped pull the foredecker back on board with a wind five knots faster than we should have had a bloody chute up. My fingerprints are still on the barrel of the winch, I think G. You sound like a great candidate for a cruising spinnaker, poleless variety. I just got one, and I'll post my comments after I launch. R. |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes
wrote: I can resist until I have it all worked out in my mind. All spinnaker flying has been double handed up to now, with my wife at the helm while I get it up or down. Agreed. I have a 33 1/2 footer, and it's no joke to wrestle that large expanse of fabric. Last year we sprang for a geriatric aid, an ATN sock. Before that our takedown (leeward) was fine as long as we were on the same jibe as we had hoisted on. Gee, and here I thought an ATN sock was great for guys in their 40s G But an odd number of jibes would leave us with the halyard and sheet on opposite sides of the boat, where I couldn't reach them simultaneously. Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a third person. I've seen that operation suffer with four crew running it on a C&C 41, so three on your boat would seem to be a minimum. If conditions are perfect, one can manage it, but conditions are rarely perfect, and to be short-handed is the sailmaker's joy at best, and potentially a dangerous broach situation at worst. Been there, done that, and helped pull the foredecker back on board with a wind five knots faster than we should have had a bloody chute up. My fingerprints are still on the barrel of the winch, I think G. You sound like a great candidate for a cruising spinnaker, poleless variety. I just got one, and I'll post my comments after I launch. R. |
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![]() "rhys" wrote in message ... it is to 'screw' around with a shackle and pin. I avoid any 'hardware' on the jib/genoa clew. Well, I *do* use Gibb shackles on the spinnaker sheets and guy, mainly because the previous owner did, and those lines are still good. G One other reason I prefer not to have heavy hardware on my genoa sheets is that a knot to the clew seems not to hang up while tacking with a staysail inter stay. Especially in lite air. The idea of adding a reef point to a genoa is becoming rare, too, but if you like hank-on, it's a good idea to consider. My staysail has a single row of reef points. I'm considering some additional re-enforcements and use this as my 'poormans' storm staysail. It would be about the right size. I also use a downhaul on my staysail but it is called a Modified Gerr Downhaul. In addition to hauling down the luff, it also gathers the clew up to the gathered luff. Not exactly elegant but the sail is secured on deck, can't flog or fall overboard and I never have to leave the cockpit to do it since the downhaul and the halyard are lead to the cock pit. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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![]() "rhys" wrote in message ... it is to 'screw' around with a shackle and pin. I avoid any 'hardware' on the jib/genoa clew. Well, I *do* use Gibb shackles on the spinnaker sheets and guy, mainly because the previous owner did, and those lines are still good. G One other reason I prefer not to have heavy hardware on my genoa sheets is that a knot to the clew seems not to hang up while tacking with a staysail inter stay. Especially in lite air. The idea of adding a reef point to a genoa is becoming rare, too, but if you like hank-on, it's a good idea to consider. My staysail has a single row of reef points. I'm considering some additional re-enforcements and use this as my 'poormans' storm staysail. It would be about the right size. I also use a downhaul on my staysail but it is called a Modified Gerr Downhaul. In addition to hauling down the luff, it also gathers the clew up to the gathered luff. Not exactly elegant but the sail is secured on deck, can't flog or fall overboard and I never have to leave the cockpit to do it since the downhaul and the halyard are lead to the cock pit. Steve s/v Good Intentions |
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On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 10:37:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 09:47:35 -0400, Rodney Myrvaagnes wrote: Our pole has both ends the same, so jibes are done dinghy style, and only in light air. I don't see any way to do a dip pole without a third person. =============================== It can be done with an autopilot and a little practice, at least in light to moderate wind and seas. The autopilot steers the boat on a dead run. Boom is sheeted amidship, spinnaker pole, sheet and guy are squared. Foredeck person goes forward to trip the pole off. Cockpit person dips the topping lift. Foredeck person brings pole through fore triangle and reclips to lazy guy. Cockpit person raises topping lift, foredeck returns to cockpit. Mainsail is jibed over. Sheets and guys retrimmed to new course. Autopilot steers, crew returns to Margaritaville. The advantage of sheeting the boom amidship during the jibe is that it helps to keep the spinnaker full, and it is one less thing for the cockpit person to be concerned with. This is risky in heavier air however because the wind can catch the main and cause a broach. Interesting. If the new autopilot seems capable of it, I will try that as well. ALthough in light to moderate wind and seas we have no trouble doing end-for-end. In stronger winds we would use the sock. Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a Entering your freshman dorm for the first time, and seeing an axe head come through the door on your right. |
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