"Dave" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:37:32 -0700, "Capt. JG"
said:

agenda to remove
Federal funding from just about every program including Social Security
and
Medicare.

That new drug plan really took a bite out of Medicare, right?


The one that costs seniors even more and relies on the Alzheimer patients to
make it cost effective because they can't figure out what they should do?
Yes, that one! LOL

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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 06:32:33 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:49:52 -0700, Stephen Trapani

wrote:


we should rain holy hell down on them


Stevie boy has exposed himself as just another religious extremist who
believes,
like the Islamic extremists he abhors, that he is under orders from God to
eliminate that anyone who opposes HIS religion, and they must be
eliminated in
the name of God.



The really silly thing abut the whole mid-east affair is that they all
worship the same god - The God of Abraham. Says so in the Koran, the
Bible and the Torah. You'd think they would all be bosom buds,
wouldn't you?

Just goes to show you that politics is more powerful the religion.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)


Politics is more powerful and, I think, a force for good. Most people would
rather attack each other via politics and words rather than with bombs and
guns. There are a few on both sides (politics and religion) that prefer
bombs and guns. On one side, we have religious fundamentalist extremists and
on the other we have the Bush/Cheney crowd. But, I repeat myself.


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wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:49:52 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote:


we should rain holy hell down on them


Stevie boy has exposed himself as just another religious extremist who believes,
like the Islamic extremists he abhors, that he is under orders from God to
eliminate that anyone who opposes HIS religion, and they must be eliminated in
the name of God.

It's hard to argue with someone who does not answer any of my arguments
and seems to pay no attention at all to what I'm saying. I guess to hold
a view like yours you have to keep your eyes shut pretty tightly.

Okay, close your eyes, here comes another demolition of what you are saying:

I'm an atheist. My stated standards about attacking terrorist have to do
with the innocents that they threaten and attack, not their religion.
Fortunately for you and me, those in power don't have their eyes closed
and are stopping those who are able to hurt us.

So it doesn't matter how tightly you close your eyes, there are enough
of us with our eyes open so you won't get hurt.


Stephen

"Dave" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:07:40 -0700, Stephen Trapani
said:

I'm an atheist.

Got a feather handy? I figure that's what it would take to knock Jon over
right now.


Not a chance. I believe in God. Keep that feather handy for Dave. LOL

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wrote:
On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:07:40 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:49:52 -0700, Stephen Trapani
wrote:


we should rain holy hell down on them

Stevie boy has exposed himself as just another religious extremist who believes,
like the Islamic extremists he abhors, that he is under orders from God to
eliminate that anyone who opposes HIS religion, and they must be eliminated in
the name of God.
It's hard to argue with someone who does not answer any of my arguments
and seems to pay no attention at all to what I'm saying.


Yes, that must be very frustrating for you. Nobody thinks what you say
has any gravitas. Maybe if you stamp your feet and hold your breath
someone will pretend to pay attention to your nonsense.

No, reason is always the first best answer for ignorance and falsehood.
I'll continue with that. I'm sure that even though you couldn't
understand it, there were plenty that read it here who could.

Stephen

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On 29 Jul 2008 13:07:01 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:05:28 -0400, said:

I'm an atheist.

Got a feather handy? I figure that's what it would take to knock Jon
over
right now.

I guess that means you believe he's an atheist because he said so.
Glad you are not MY lawyer, Dave!

I have no reason to disbelieve him.

VERY glad you are not MY lawyer.

I understand, however, that if you're
accustomed to putting people into neat little pigeon holes on the basis
that
if they believe X then they must also believe Y and Z, Steve's assertion
might be difficult for you to accept.

You also assume that he's a competent atheist who doesn't have an
underlying subconscious belief in god whether he wants it or not. He's
the one who used the phrase "holy hell". Odd choice of words for
someone who claims to be an atheist.

That's why I suggested the likely
effect of applying a feather to Jon.

I think you just want to tickle Jon. I don't think you are his type.


I assure you... Dave is NOT my type! LOL

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Capt. JG wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message

Again, nothing new here. The economy goes up and down. We don't have
socialized medicine. What's new? I can't remember it ever being any
different, can you? Bush isn't to blame for any of it.
Again, you don't care. Got it. Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth or yours
I suppose.
Didn't say a word about caring or not. I said I can't remember the economy
not going up and down. Can you? We've also never had more socialized
medicine ever. How do you blame Bush for that? Did you change the subject
because these points are obvious and you don't want to admit it?

What are you blathering about?

I thought you were old enough to remember that the economy goes up and
down. Remember the seventies? There were way worse than now. You're old
enough, you just don't want to remember, I guess.

The economy is in shambles, in a large
measure because of the cost of the war and Bushco's stated agenda to remove
Federal funding from just about every program including Social Security and
Medicare.

Hilarious! So, every war in US history has boosted the economy except
this one. And if there were more federal funding for Social Security,
Medicare and the like, the economy would be in better shape! Wow, hard
to argue with someone so far off the mark!

Stephen

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On 29 Jul 2008 13:52:02 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:31:34 -0400, said:

"holy hell". Odd choice of words for
someone who claims to be an atheist.
And would you apply the same reasoning to someone who exclaims "holy ****?"

I might if the person had said other things that pointed in a
particular direction. I think Steve knew he was outed, and claiming to
be an atheist was his feeble attempt at shocking people into taking
his views more seriously. It didn't work, except on a gullible layer
or two.

You might trying thinking for a few seconds or so. Do you know any
Christians who would disavow their belief for the sake of a silly usenet
argument? No, I'm an atheist. And one who believes in morality of a
higher sort. The sort where no religious belief gives anyone the right
to harm innocents.

Stephen

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Capt. JG wrote:
"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message

Again, nothing new here. The economy goes up and down. We don't have
socialized medicine. What's new? I can't remember it ever being any
different, can you? Bush isn't to blame for any of it.
Again, you don't care. Got it. Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth or
yours I suppose.
Didn't say a word about caring or not. I said I can't remember the
economy not going up and down. Can you? We've also never had more
socialized medicine ever. How do you blame Bush for that? Did you change
the subject because these points are obvious and you don't want to admit
it?

What are you blathering about?

I thought you were old enough to remember that the economy goes up and
down. Remember the seventies? There were way worse than now. You're old
enough, you just don't want to remember, I guess.

So, what you're saying is that because the 70s were worse, then everything
is ok now. That makes a lot of sense to you I guess.

The economy is in shambles, in a large measure because of the cost of the
war and Bushco's stated agenda to remove Federal funding from just about
every program including Social Security and Medicare.

Hilarious! So, every war in US history has boosted the economy except this
one. And if there were more federal funding for Social Security, Medicare
and the like, the economy would be in better shape! Wow, hard to argue
with someone so far off the mark!

Huh? Where did I say that? What I said was that we're spending $12B a month
on a war that didn't need to be fought, that we were lied to about, instead
of helping people in this country. The neo-con agenda is pretty clear and
self-stated.

Here's a nice link for you, since you're an avowed athiest...

http://www.publicchristian.com/index.php?p=205




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"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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wrote:
On 29 Jul 2008 13:52:02 -0500, Dave wrote:

On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:31:34 -0400, said:

"holy hell". Odd choice of words for
someone who claims to be an atheist.
And would you apply the same reasoning to someone who exclaims "holy
****?"

I might if the person had said other things that pointed in a
particular direction. I think Steve knew he was outed, and claiming to
be an atheist was his feeble attempt at shocking people into taking
his views more seriously. It didn't work, except on a gullible layer
or two.

You might trying thinking for a few seconds or so. Do you know any
Christians who would disavow their belief for the sake of a silly usenet
argument? No, I'm an atheist. And one who believes in morality of a higher
sort. The sort where no religious belief gives anyone the right to harm
innocents.

Stephen



A higher sort. That's rich. Someone who really doesn't care about other
people, especially those who are dying.


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