On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:41:53 -0500, mister b wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 11:27:46 -0700, Capt. JG wrote:

Tell us how you really feel! (And, fix your typos... we wouldn't want
Dave to get too upset)

what typos?...I'm Canadian. We don't make typos.

whoops...grammar girl (my wife) informs me of the error of my ways...
she says it's really telling that it's only the dumbasses who point out
minor errors of grammar in a post rather than its content

"Herodotus" wrote in message
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 08:46:01 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote:

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
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Roger Long wrote:
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote

Bush can read?

OK, OK, it was a cheap shot.
Not a cheap shot at all. Of course he can read. He has however,
admitted on several occasions that he doesn't. If you know what
is
right, are firm in your convictions, and are guided by faith and
prayer, there is nothing on paper you need to learn in order to
make the right decisions. Facts are simply confusing and
temptations to depart from the path of righteousness that the
lord
has laid out for you.

Believe me, this is not satire. I'm absolutely serious.
Gosh when a set-up is this easy, with moralizing about "facts" not
getting in the way of predetermined biases; and with so many
people
needing to believe so many false facts to ridicule Bush, I just
couldn't let this go.

For those who want to retain their ignorant bias about Bush's
reading, I recommend avoiding this link:

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/ar...7bushbooks.htm

Stephen
Posting the same link yet again?
Sorry, connection problem.

Check this, but don't let your head explode!

http://www.jibjab.com/view/209630
I subscribe to the Maher podcast and have seen and heard him many
times. Was there something in the link having anything to do with
what
we are talking about here? If not, why did you recommend it?



I wasn't trying to get your head to explode! Nothing to recommend,
except to vote for McCain if you like the way things have gone in the
last 7 years.
Everything in my personal world, everything I contact even the
government has been very good. Wouldn't want anything to change there.

Things been pretty bad for you though, eh? Why do you think the
president can change things for you?

Stephen


Wrong again Stephen. Things have been very, very good for me and mine.
That's not the point. Do you think Bush and Company had nothing to do
with the last seven years?

If things have been so good for you and you think a Republican president
has been largely responsible, why do you want that to change?

Stephen


Because it's not all about me or you or likely anyone who's on this
newsgroup.

It's about the suffering going on due to Bush's insolence and corruption.
I'm sick of his pandering to the right-wing religious nuts who want gov't
to
stay out of their lives, but who want to turn this into a
religious/fascist/fundamentalist state of their own design, but not that
dissimilar to the Taliban. I'm sick of him starting and then perpetuating
a
war of choice (Iraq) vs. one of necessity (Afganistan) and lying about it
the whole time. I'm sick of him ignoring and being so out of touch with
what's going on in this country that he thinks everything is just fine
with
the economy, the lack of affordable healthcare for those worse off than
people like me and you, and ignoring the people in desperate situations
(e.g., New Orleans).

Don't think I'm absolving the formerly Republican controlled Congress
either. They are at least complicit. The Republicans are holding fast even
though the Dems are not in charge, basically preventing anything
meaningful
to get done, because it's an election year. And, don't think I'm absolving
the Dem leadership in Congress either. I'm not happy that Pelosi refused
to
consider impeachment. It was just fine to put the country through an
impeachment trial because Clinton lied about a blowjob, but it's not ok to
put the country through an impeachment trial because Bush/Cheney lied
about
an unnecessary war? Absolutely unbelievable. Even one of our own Senators
(Feinstein), a supposed liberal, refuses to consider it.

The gov't in this country is spying on its citizens, detaining people
without trial (not just foreigners, but it's own citizens), and generally
trashing our civil rights. Overseas, even with the grudging funding of HIV
programs in Africa by the Bush Administration, there are so many strings
attached that countries are barred from using their own money to promote
safer sex with condoms if they want to receive money from the US.... all
of
this due to the religio-fascists who have a strangle hold on that jerk in
office.

Regarding the presidential candidates.... Obama is far from perfect, but
compared to McCain.... someone who employs the same people who Bush used
to
trash him in the 2000 election, who employs people who supposedly know
something about economics (Graham's PhD) who don't have a clue about the
level of pain felt by ordinary US citizens, who employs people who were
vocal supports of Jack Abramoff (who's sitting in prison convicted of
fraud), who was reprimanded himself over the Keating scandal (using very
poor judgement), who promotes this "family values" crap, while having a
somewhat less than stellar fidelity problem of his own (not just divorcing
his first wife when she was disabled, but cheating on her during their
marriage). Sure, McCain was a war hero. Nothing bad about that. He served
honorably, but for him to sit there and tell us that this qualifies him to
make good decisions is just plain dumb. He's been in the Senate for
decades
and should have known better about Iraq. He used to be opposed to torture,
e.g., waterboarding, something used during the Spanish Inquisition to
torture people into false confessions, but he's ok with it now. He used to
be pro-choice, now his anti-choice, etc., etc.

Sorry for the rant, but you asked! LOL

Very well put Jonathon,

The most important part of democracy is not just the voting and being
enabled to vote, but the obligation on those voters to question,
examine and maintain a watch on those people elected and their
actions.

Having listened to a number of American citizens over the years
regurgitating (perhaps not quite the right word) their stand on
democracy and that the US is the only country with the only proper
form of it, I cannot help but wonder if perhaps a course on critical
political examination or ethics should not be included in schools.

I believe that, without such self examination and scrutiny, the
inculcation of democracy is little more than brainwashing akin to that
practiced in the Third Reich. It sounds like that from those that I
have heard and that is the danger that can easily lead to tyranny.
History has several examples of how various forms of government by
citizens evolved into oligarchies and tyrannies due to the complacency
and uniformedness of those charged with electing their
representatives.

That is why I find your words refreshing.

Thank you.

Peter

Glad to hear it.

It's the obligation of the majority in a democracy to protect those in the
minority.


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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:19:35 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:




Good Lord Peter, what kind of magazine are you promoting to poor
innocent readers of the Internet? Figuring "Good Old Peter" is
probably on to something I did a google search for "New Scientist" and
the first thing that popped up was:
"Oral sex-related cancer at 30-year high".

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Great!

Bruce, you have discovered one of the best kept secrets of science.

It does not have to be as boring as the teachers made it in High
School. It can actually be quite exciting.

As a Zoology was my academic training, even though IT and
telecommunications provided most of my living, I have never ceased to
be interested in the "inner world". That's why I have a very good
binocular microscope on my boat.

One can even discuss at the dinner table in very polite company,
providing one keeps a straight face and portrays the correct amount of
"academic" enthusiasm, normally taboo subjects such as
sado-masochistic sex practices of animals such as the hermaphroditic
common garden snail Helix aspersa and the oral sexual antics of the
praying mantis. I have done so with immunity on a number of occasions
and surprisingly got invited back again.

I don't know if you know it but many snails are hermaphrodites; that
is they have both male and female sex organs within the same body
there being no distinct male or female sexes. In other words, their
religious mantra is "Do unto others as they are doing it unto thee".
When they conjugate (I refuse to use the vulgar Americanism, the "F"
word), they place their opposing glands against each other and this is
where the sado-masochism comes in. They have another gland which
produces a large pointed calcium dart which each fires into the body
of the other partner as they writhe around each other in copious slime
secretions. This causes them get overly excited and thus to ejaculate
sperm into each other. Thus cross fertilisation is achieved. Very
erotic indeed. Well, I at least am very aroused at this time.

There is nothing new on the face of the earth. If the Intelligent
Designers were appraised of this knowledge they would be forced to
accept sado-masochistic web sights showing cavorting bondage and
whipping devotees as permissible for their children and adherents to
watch as it has obviously been designed by a creator into even the
lower life forms. To the pure, all things are pure.

As to the praying mantis. The male mounts the willing female from
behind after usually (species dependent) presenting her with a meal of
an insect. He inserts his "thingee" into the appropriate place and
begins to perform intercourse. OK. Pretty standard and not very erotic
so far you say with a yawn.

Now we come to the interesting bit. The head of insects contains the
"brain" or cerebral ganglia which have an inhibitory action on the
other ganglia in its body which do much of the controlling of the
nervous system. This means that it tends to slow down actions. The
"brain" and thus the head are not at all vital to the insect as ours
is. In fact, if you cut off a beetle's or a fly's head it will still
live and walk about. It will eventually starve as it has also lost its
mouthparts.

Well, the male is still humping away as he was when we left him but
cannot hump fast enough to ejaculate his sperm. At this stage the
female, who can turn her head around on her thorax over 180 degrees
does so and begins to eat him head first. As soon as his head is gone,
there is no longer inhibition against the other ganglia and the body
actions, in this case, humping (I didn't want to use the term
"Thrusting" as that may overly excite you and at your age that could
be dangerous) faster and then ejaculating. In a daze of post-coital
bliss and relaxation his entire body is finally consumed by the love
of his life. - What a way to go. Much better than having a cigarette
afterwards and thinking "Oh God! now I have to have a shower. What is
her name? I hope she doesn't think that I want to maintain a
relationship and all the other thoughts.

By the way, this is also the origin of the oft used term "giving head"

My God I do get carried away sometimes.

cheers
Peter


To true!

By the way, the "F word" is an English (the little island off the
coast of France) expression and notably prevalent also in Australia
where it is commonly used as a sort of preamble to most sentences;
alternating with "bloody" which seems now to be a phrase used in
polite conversation, regardless of its rather unappetizing origins.

Ah, the wonders of English - "'ave another stubby, then 'n throw
another cat on the barby, mate".

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

....
Because it's not all about me or you or likely anyone who's on this
newsgroup.

....
Way OT, but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

-- Tom.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:55:06 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:



To true!

By the way, the "F word" is an English (the little island off the
coast of France) expression and notably prevalent also in Australia
where it is commonly used as a sort of preamble to most sentences;
alternating with "bloody" which seems now to be a phrase used in
polite conversation, regardless of its rather unappetizing origins.

Ah, the wonders of English - "'ave another stubby, then 'n throw
another cat on the barby, mate".

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Hi Bruce,

I had been told once the "F" word originates from the charge laid in
English courts of "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" but it could be
another urban myth.

As to English usage in Australia. They do tend to swear a lot, even
the women, and not just the cheap floozies at a bar. When I first
moved to Sydney from N.Z. to do a software debugging project for one
of the investment banks, I was sitting in a senior manager's meeting,
everyone wearing business attire, and someone said "Oh, we could ****
that off". I was shocked as there were women in the meeting. Nobody
but me batted an eyelid. Apparently it means to get rid of something.
Later came "There are a ****load of errors" - meaning a lot of errors.
It was explained to me later in my catatonic state that these were
acceptable professional terms as was "****can of errors" - much more
than a ****load. As we left the meeting, one of the women remarked to
those about her that "Frankly, I'm completely buggered" I could only
hope that she enjoyed the experience.

Also," that little island off the coast of France" was for many years
only an anchored American aircraft carrier.

BTW I have to do some work after I arrive home on Thursday including
zipping across to Sumatera by patrol boat for a meeting. I was looking
at Air Asia and was floored at the cheap flights to Kuching, Vietnam
and Thailand. I knew that they were cheap but not that cheap. I might
zip over to Labuan and stay with a friend for a day or so and take the
kids as well.

My regards to Mrs Bruce and any Brucelets

cheers
Peter

wrote in message
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...
Because it's not all about me or you or likely anyone who's on this
newsgroup.

...
Way OT, but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority

-- Tom.


Yeah, I think we're pretty far from "refridgeration" at this point.

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On Jul 22, 6:46*pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
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Yeah, I think we're pretty far from "refridgeration" at this point. ...

Bizarre isn't it? This thread, played backwards, is like one of those
James Burke "Connections" shows taking us on a whirl wind tour somehow
linking John Stuart Mill to marine refrigeration. But, sadly, less
erudite.

-- Tom.

Capt. JG wrote:

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message

I wasn't trying to get your head to explode! Nothing to recommend,
except to vote for McCain if you like the way things have gone in the
last 7 years.
Everything in my personal world, everything I contact even the
government has been very good. Wouldn't want anything to change there.

Things been pretty bad for you though, eh? Why do you think the
president can change things for you?

Stephen

Wrong again Stephen. Things have been very, very good for me and mine.
That's not the point. Do you think Bush and Company had nothing to do
with the last seven years?
If things have been so good for you and you think a Republican president
has been largely responsible, why do you want that to change?

Stephen


Because it's not all about me or you or likely anyone who's on this
newsgroup.

Then why did you ask if I like the way things have gone the last eight
years? I personally have absolutely nothing to complain about and
apparently neither do you.

It's about the suffering going on due to Bush's insolence and corruption.
I'm sick of his pandering to the right-wing religious nuts who want gov't to
stay out of their lives, but who want to turn this into a
religious/fascist/fundamentalist state of their own design, but not that
dissimilar to the Taliban.

Haven't seen a bit of this. Has the govt been getting more into your
life lately? This struggle has gone on at the fringes for as long as I
can remember. Nothing new.

I'm sick of him starting and then perpetuating a
war of choice (Iraq) vs. one of necessity (Afganistan) and lying about it
the whole time.

Everyone thought Iraq had WMDs, not just Bush. There was no lying.

I'm sick of him ignoring and being so out of touch with
what's going on in this country that he thinks everything is just fine with
the economy, the lack of affordable healthcare for those worse off than
people like me and you, and ignoring the people in desperate situations
(e.g., New Orleans).

Again, nothing new here. The economy goes up and down. We don't have
socialized medicine. What's new? I can't remember it ever being any
different, can you? Bush isn't to blame for any of it.

Don't think I'm absolving the formerly Republican controlled Congress
either. They are at least complicit. The Republicans are holding fast even
though the Dems are not in charge, basically preventing anything meaningful
to get done, because it's an election year. And, don't think I'm absolving
the Dem leadership in Congress either. I'm not happy that Pelosi refused to
consider impeachment. It was just fine to put the country through an
impeachment trial because Clinton lied about a blowjob, but it's not ok to
put the country through an impeachment trial because Bush/Cheney lied about
an unnecessary war? Absolutely unbelievable. Even one of our own Senators
(Feinstein), a supposed liberal, refuses to consider it.

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. You know that, right? And
even Bush's former press secretary who wrote the tell all book said he
wasn't lying about WMD's, just giving the information he had.

The gov't in this country is spying on its citizens, detaining people
without trial (not just foreigners, but it's own citizens), and generally
trashing our civil rights.

Nah. There have been some changes due to the war on terrorists. It's a
new type of war requiring a new type of surveillance. No new president
will change that. If they do, *they* should be impeached.

Overseas, even with the grudging funding of HIV
programs in Africa by the Bush Administration, there are so many strings
attached that countries are barred from using their own money to promote
safer sex with condoms if they want to receive money from the US.... all of
this due to the religio-fascists who have a strangle hold on that jerk in
office.

I'm not very fond of the idea of giving money to governments for AIDs
when there is no accountability about where the money goes. Why do
lefties always think dumping more money into a problem is the best
solution? I wouldn't mind so much if it was their money they wanted to
dump, but in fact they always want it to be someone else's money, not
theirs. That's a big part of why it's wrong.

As for Obama vs McCain, I'm relatively ambivalent. Obama doesn't seem
stupid enough to change course in Iraq, no matter what he says. When he
continues the war on terror, as he must, more people will understand
that Bush isn't to blame for Islamic extremists and even gentle liberal
lefties need to wipe them off the face of the earth before they do the
same to us.

Stephen

mister b wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:54:27 -0700, Stephen Trapani wrote:

Let me guess. You think the world is going down the ****ter thanks
mostly to the US who is polluting and trying to colonize the world.

I think that when you only have 5% of the world's population and consume
30-35% of the worlds energy and resources and produce 30-35% of the
world's pollution...something is out of whack and only the most woefully
ignorant would ignore that...

The US provides a majority of the world's advancement in Science and
technology as well as much of the actual fruits of those advancements.
If you calculate our energy use and pollution relative to the quality of
life we improve for ourselves and the rest of the world, nothing is out
of whack at all.

as to most US-based multinational
corporations and their activities in the political, economic and
environmental spheres...their record runs the gamut from shameful to
sociopathic.

Yeah, to tree huggers and cave dwellers. Those of us who value and
appreciate all the modern resources and products provided by those
multinational companies realize that their record is one of providing a
good product at a fair price for the sake of increasing our quality of life.

You think we should all live and let live,

yes, until such time as your actions affect me negatively...then I get to
kick your ass...repeatedly...until your IQ goes up and you decide to ****
off

Oh good, so you're in favor of killing off the Islamic extremists who
attacked our country too. Good.

there is no form of government that is better than any other

nonsense, there are many great flavours of democracy but the American
form is no longer one of them...take the UK, France, any of the
Scandinavian countries... but you're so convinced of your superiority as
a result of a lifetime of propagandisation that you can't even conceive it

Of course there are many great free nations. The US isn't the only one,
just the best.

the US has no business fighting anyone else's wars.

the US has no business invading sovereign states under false pretences,
it's leadership cynically lying to it's citizens, creating paranoia among
the ignorant and squandering the wealth of it's citizens, the lives of
it's young service people and the reputation of the US worldwide, for
perhaps generations to come

Yeah, "perhaps" Or actually, not.

...and then there are the 1.5 billion Chinese
and nearly 1 billion Indians who are watching the behaviour of the US
very carefully...

9/11 was a set up by the US government

the only thing that you as an average ignorant American peasant can say
for certain about the WTC is that *you have no ****ing clue whatsoever
who planned and executed that attack*...since your next line indicates
you've drunk deeply from the kool-aid, you are apparently satisfied with
the pablum of propaganda served up by your politicians and can return
your attention to the important things in life...like cheap beer and pro-
football.

Hahaha. What a kook! The magic demolition of the towers. Was it Criss
Angel who did it? David Copperfield? Penn and Teller?

and so we really have nothing to fear from Islamic extremists.

my personal safety is more at risk from dumbass Americans crossing the
border with their goddamn handguns hidden in their cars/boats than any
Islamic terrorist...

Hahaha. Hilarious! Meanwhile your country continues to suck off the US
like a giant leach. Kind of hypocritical, don't you think?

the world's safety is more at risk from dumbass
Christian extremists who advise the dumbass currently in charge of the
launch codes...and with these same dumbasses *believing* that the "end
time" wouldn't be such a bad thing at all with all of that going up to
see Jesus in heaven crap that goes along with a nuclear armageddon...

Wooooooo! The Boogieman is after you!! Run!

you
can understand why some of us aren't exactly filled with confidence about
our safety...

Yeah I understand. It's mental illness.

kinda tough on all those hundreds of millions of children
though...being incinerated alive...ah what the hell eh Steve...they
probably aren't the "good people" you wrote about.

Incinerated?? Don't you mean disappeared into thin air with the hidden
ultra secret weapon Bush and his evil cronies are saving for the right
moment? -Priceless.

Stephen

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message
...
Capt. JG wrote:
Because it's not all about me or you or likely anyone who's on this
newsgroup.

Then why did you ask if I like the way things have gone the last eight
years? I personally have absolutely nothing to complain about and
apparently neither do you.

So, you don't mind if people suffer. Got it.


It's about the suffering going on due to Bush's insolence and corruption.
I'm sick of his pandering to the right-wing religious nuts who want gov't
to stay out of their lives, but who want to turn this into a
religious/fascist/fundamentalist state of their own design, but not that
dissimilar to the Taliban.

Haven't seen a bit of this. Has the govt been getting more into your life
lately? This struggle has gone on at the fringes for as long as I can
remember. Nothing new.

In your mind, nothing is new. Got it.


I'm sick of him starting and then perpetuating a war of choice (Iraq) vs.
one of necessity (Afganistan) and lying about it the whole time.

Everyone thought Iraq had WMDs, not just Bush. There was no lying.

BS. He lied, Cheney lied, and Powel went along with it. Everyone? Really?

I'm sick of him ignoring and being so out of touch with what's going on
in this country that he thinks everything is just fine with the economy,
the lack of affordable healthcare for those worse off than people like me
and you, and ignoring the people in desperate situations (e.g., New
Orleans).

Again, nothing new here. The economy goes up and down. We don't have
socialized medicine. What's new? I can't remember it ever being any
different, can you? Bush isn't to blame for any of it.

Again, you don't care. Got it. Butter wouldn't melt in his mouth or yours I
suppose.


Don't think I'm absolving the formerly Republican controlled Congress
either. They are at least complicit. The Republicans are holding fast
even though the Dems are not in charge, basically preventing anything
meaningful to get done, because it's an election year. And, don't think
I'm absolving the Dem leadership in Congress either. I'm not happy that
Pelosi refused to consider impeachment. It was just fine to put the
country through an impeachment trial because Clinton lied about a
blowjob, but it's not ok to put the country through an impeachment trial
because Bush/Cheney lied about an unnecessary war? Absolutely
unbelievable. Even one of our own Senators (Feinstein), a supposed
liberal, refuses to consider it.

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. You know that, right? And even
Bush's former press secretary who wrote the tell all book said he wasn't
lying about WMD's, just giving the information he had.

Bush lied repeatedly to the US public. He and his cronies have been lying
for the last seven years.

The gov't in this country is spying on its citizens, detaining people
without trial (not just foreigners, but it's own citizens), and generally
trashing our civil rights.

Nah. There have been some changes due to the war on terrorists. It's a new
type of war requiring a new type of surveillance. No new president will
change that. If they do, *they* should be impeached.

Like I said, it's a slippery slope. I know you don't mind being on it. I do.

Overseas, even with the grudging funding of HIV programs in Africa by the
Bush Administration, there are so many strings attached that countries
are barred from using their own money to promote safer sex with condoms
if they want to receive money from the US.... all of this due to the
religio-fascists who have a strangle hold on that jerk in office.

I'm not very fond of the idea of giving money to governments for AIDs when
there is no accountability about where the money goes. Why do lefties
always think dumping more money into a problem is the best solution? I
wouldn't mind so much if it was their money they wanted to dump, but in
fact they always want it to be someone else's money, not theirs. That's a
big part of why it's wrong.

Sure. They should all die. Got it.

As for Obama vs McCain, I'm relatively ambivalent. Obama doesn't seem
stupid enough to change course in Iraq, no matter what he says. When he
continues the war on terror, as he must, more people will understand that
Bush isn't to blame for Islamic extremists and even gentle liberal lefties
need to wipe them off the face of the earth before they do the same to us.

Bush and Condi were warned about 9/11. They went on vacation.


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