Capt. JG wrote:

"Stephen Trapani" wrote in message

I wasn't trying to get your head to explode! Nothing to recommend,
except to vote for McCain if you like the way things have gone in the
last 7 years.
Everything in my personal world, everything I contact even the
government has been very good. Wouldn't want anything to change there.

Things been pretty bad for you though, eh? Why do you think the
president can change things for you?

Stephen

Wrong again Stephen. Things have been very, very good for me and mine.
That's not the point. Do you think Bush and Company had nothing to do
with the last seven years?
If things have been so good for you and you think a Republican president
has been largely responsible, why do you want that to change?

Stephen


Because it's not all about me or you or likely anyone who's on this
newsgroup.

Then why did you ask if I like the way things have gone the last eight
years? I personally have absolutely nothing to complain about and
apparently neither do you.

It's about the suffering going on due to Bush's insolence and corruption.
I'm sick of his pandering to the right-wing religious nuts who want gov't to
stay out of their lives, but who want to turn this into a
religious/fascist/fundamentalist state of their own design, but not that
dissimilar to the Taliban.

Haven't seen a bit of this. Has the govt been getting more into your
life lately? This struggle has gone on at the fringes for as long as I
can remember. Nothing new.

I'm sick of him starting and then perpetuating a
war of choice (Iraq) vs. one of necessity (Afganistan) and lying about it
the whole time.

Everyone thought Iraq had WMDs, not just Bush. There was no lying.

I'm sick of him ignoring and being so out of touch with
what's going on in this country that he thinks everything is just fine with
the economy, the lack of affordable healthcare for those worse off than
people like me and you, and ignoring the people in desperate situations
(e.g., New Orleans).

Again, nothing new here. The economy goes up and down. We don't have
socialized medicine. What's new? I can't remember it ever being any
different, can you? Bush isn't to blame for any of it.

Don't think I'm absolving the formerly Republican controlled Congress
either. They are at least complicit. The Republicans are holding fast even
though the Dems are not in charge, basically preventing anything meaningful
to get done, because it's an election year. And, don't think I'm absolving
the Dem leadership in Congress either. I'm not happy that Pelosi refused to
consider impeachment. It was just fine to put the country through an
impeachment trial because Clinton lied about a blowjob, but it's not ok to
put the country through an impeachment trial because Bush/Cheney lied about
an unnecessary war? Absolutely unbelievable. Even one of our own Senators
(Feinstein), a supposed liberal, refuses to consider it.

Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. You know that, right? And
even Bush's former press secretary who wrote the tell all book said he
wasn't lying about WMD's, just giving the information he had.

The gov't in this country is spying on its citizens, detaining people
without trial (not just foreigners, but it's own citizens), and generally
trashing our civil rights.

Nah. There have been some changes due to the war on terrorists. It's a
new type of war requiring a new type of surveillance. No new president
will change that. If they do, *they* should be impeached.

Overseas, even with the grudging funding of HIV
programs in Africa by the Bush Administration, there are so many strings
attached that countries are barred from using their own money to promote
safer sex with condoms if they want to receive money from the US.... all of
this due to the religio-fascists who have a strangle hold on that jerk in
office.

I'm not very fond of the idea of giving money to governments for AIDs
when there is no accountability about where the money goes. Why do
lefties always think dumping more money into a problem is the best
solution? I wouldn't mind so much if it was their money they wanted to
dump, but in fact they always want it to be someone else's money, not
theirs. That's a big part of why it's wrong.

As for Obama vs McCain, I'm relatively ambivalent. Obama doesn't seem
stupid enough to change course in Iraq, no matter what he says. When he
continues the war on terror, as he must, more people will understand
that Bush isn't to blame for Islamic extremists and even gentle liberal
lefties need to wipe them off the face of the earth before they do the
same to us.

Stephen