On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:57:22 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Herodotus" wrote in message
.. .



The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands but they are all motorized now.

Real sailors -- the people that actually make their living from being
on the water are pretty unanimous in thinking that internal combustion
is good.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
A thought just leapt into my somewhat disheveled mind.

In New Zealand as small children we were threatened by the "Bugi man"
along the lines of "If you don't be good, go to sleep etc., the Bugi
man will get you" I think it has since fallen out of favour, probably
to someone like Darth Vader.

The Bugi man is derived of course from the fierce Bugis sailors,
pirates and traders.

Was the Bugi man used in the USA to frighten children or is it a
colonial legacy you didn't inherit?

regards
Peter


People in New Zealand are retarded then. It's not a Bugi man its a Bogey
Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

All U.S. Americans, when they were kids, were routinely threatened with the
coming of a bogey man. If you were bad the bogey man was gonna get you, etc.

Bugi Man??? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh! No wonder Kiwi's can't sail.
They can't even think.

Wilbur Hubbard


Ah! Wilbur the english teacher.

But you spelled "Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh" incorrectly. If you
want to be taken seriously then you simply must learn to spell.... or
use one syllable words that you do know how to spell.

Didn't your Mama teach you that it is better to keep your mouth shut
and be thought a fool then to open it and prove to the world how
stupid you really are?


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:04:50 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:





People in New Zealand are retarded then. It's not a Bugi man its a Bogey
Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

All U.S. Americans, when they were kids, were routinely threatened with the
coming of a bogey man. If you were bad the bogey man was gonna get you, etc.

Bugi Man??? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh! No wonder Kiwi's can't sail.
They can't even think.

Wilbur Hubbard


Ah! Wilbur the english teacher.

But you spelled "Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh" incorrectly. If you
want to be taken seriously then you simply must learn to spell.... or
use one syllable words that you do know how to spell.

Didn't your Mama teach you that it is better to keep your mouth shut
and be thought a fool then to open it and prove to the world how
stupid you really are?


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
Your friend is, in addition to many of his other deficits, entirely
ignorant of any knowledge about New Zealand.

1. The pronunciation was and is "Bugi" - not Bogey as is used
elsewhere.

2. In 1997 I attended an IT conference at Harvard University where I
was informed by Professorial staff that the USA was adopting much of
the New Zealand literacy teaching methods as New Zealand had a 98.9%
literacy rate.

3. Your America's Cup racing boat builder is Bruce Farr, a New
Zealander.

4. For a country of 3 million, we have produced such people who first
split the atom and who managed NAS for several years during the space
race.

There are many other inventions by New Zealanders such as ailerons on
aircraft, the jet boat and the self sealing paint tin - in which comes
all of your boating paint - to name a few.

Bruce, please tell your pathetic miserable excuse for a human
existance to nott show your ignorance and the fact that he is merely a
silly little uneducated twit whose sole existence is within the pages
of this newsgroup. He hqas done nothing and as he is also a coward,
never will.

cheers
Peter

"Herodotus" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:04:50 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:





People in New Zealand are retarded then. It's not a Bugi man its a Bogey
Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

All U.S. Americans, when they were kids, were routinely threatened with
the
coming of a bogey man. If you were bad the bogey man was gonna get you,
etc.

Bugi Man??? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh! No wonder Kiwi's can't
sail.
They can't even think.

Wilbur Hubbard


Ah! Wilbur the english teacher.

But you spelled "Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh" incorrectly. If you
want to be taken seriously then you simply must learn to spell.... or
use one syllable words that you do know how to spell.

Didn't your Mama teach you that it is better to keep your mouth shut
and be thought a fool then to open it and prove to the world how
stupid you really are?


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
Your friend is, in addition to many of his other deficits, entirely
ignorant of any knowledge about New Zealand.

1. The pronunciation was and is "Bugi" - not Bogey as is used
elsewhere.

2. In 1997 I attended an IT conference at Harvard University where I
was informed by Professorial staff that the USA was adopting much of
the New Zealand literacy teaching methods as New Zealand had a 98.9%
literacy rate.

3. Your America's Cup racing boat builder is Bruce Farr, a New
Zealander.

4. For a country of 3 million, we have produced such people who first
split the atom and who managed NAS for several years during the space
race.

There are many other inventions by New Zealanders such as ailerons on
aircraft, the jet boat and the self sealing paint tin - in which comes
all of your boating paint - to name a few.

Bruce, please tell your pathetic miserable excuse for a human
existance to nott show your ignorance and the fact that he is merely a
silly little uneducated twit whose sole existence is within the pages
of this newsgroup. He hqas done nothing and as he is also a coward,
never will.

cheers
Peter



I think where the confusion lies is in the psyche of New Zealanders. Instead
of calling it the Buggi man they should call it the Bugger man.

Since New Zealanders' forefathers consisted of dregs of humanity emptied
from overcrowded British jails into exile on a God forsaken southern
hemisphere island one must examing British slang to glean the meanings of
bugger and how they apply to New Zealanders or rather, how they define New
Zealanders.

bugger
Noun. 1. An objectionable person.
2. A person. Also used in a sense of pity, see 'sod'.
3. A situation or event that is difficult or distressing. E.g. "It's a real
bugger Pete catching the flu on his summer holidays."
Exclam. Expressing annoyance or frustration.
Verb. To ruin, damage, break. E.g."If I find out it was you that buggered my
DVD player, then you can forget borrowing money from us to go on holiday."

From: http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/b.htm

The lesson to be learned: know your roots. . .

Wilbur Hubbard

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:38:22 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Herodotus" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:04:50 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:





People in New Zealand are retarded then. It's not a Bugi man its a Bogey
Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

All U.S. Americans, when they were kids, were routinely threatened with
the
coming of a bogey man. If you were bad the bogey man was gonna get you,
etc.

Bugi Man??? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh! No wonder Kiwi's can't
sail.
They can't even think.

Wilbur Hubbard


Ah! Wilbur the english teacher.

But you spelled "Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh" incorrectly. If you
want to be taken seriously then you simply must learn to spell.... or
use one syllable words that you do know how to spell.

Didn't your Mama teach you that it is better to keep your mouth shut
and be thought a fool then to open it and prove to the world how
stupid you really are?


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
Your friend is, in addition to many of his other deficits, entirely
ignorant of any knowledge about New Zealand.

1. The pronunciation was and is "Bugi" - not Bogey as is used
elsewhere.

2. In 1997 I attended an IT conference at Harvard University where I
was informed by Professorial staff that the USA was adopting much of
the New Zealand literacy teaching methods as New Zealand had a 98.9%
literacy rate.

3. Your America's Cup racing boat builder is Bruce Farr, a New
Zealander.

4. For a country of 3 million, we have produced such people who first
split the atom and who managed NAS for several years during the space
race.

There are many other inventions by New Zealanders such as ailerons on
aircraft, the jet boat and the self sealing paint tin - in which comes
all of your boating paint - to name a few.

Bruce, please tell your pathetic miserable excuse for a human
existance to nott show your ignorance and the fact that he is merely a
silly little uneducated twit whose sole existence is within the pages
of this newsgroup. He hqas done nothing and as he is also a coward,
never will.

cheers
Peter



I think where the confusion lies is in the psyche of New Zealanders. Instead
of calling it the Buggi man they should call it the Bugger man.

Since New Zealanders' forefathers consisted of dregs of humanity emptied
from overcrowded British jails into exile on a God forsaken southern
hemisphere island one must examing British slang to glean the meanings of
bugger and how they apply to New Zealanders or rather, how they define New
Zealanders.

bugger
Noun. 1. An objectionable person.
2. A person. Also used in a sense of pity, see 'sod'.
3. A situation or event that is difficult or distressing. E.g. "It's a real
bugger Pete catching the flu on his summer holidays."
Exclam. Expressing annoyance or frustration.
Verb. To ruin, damage, break. E.g."If I find out it was you that buggered my
DVD player, then you can forget borrowing money from us to go on holiday."

From: http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/b.htm

The lesson to be learned: know your roots. . .

Wilbur Hubbard


It is becoming increasingly noticeable that the good Wilbur is making
more and more references to obscene activities. Perhaps his lifelong
abhorrence of women is just now coming to the fore or perhaps he has
always batted from the opposite side of the plate. In any event the
closet door appears to be opening and the real Wilbur is slowly
emerging.




A fool who knows his foolishness is wise
at least to that extent, but a fool who
thinks himself wise is a fool indeed.

I think where the confusion lies is in the psyche of New Zealanders. Instead
of calling it the Buggi man they should call it the Bugger man.

Since New Zealanders' forefathers consisted of dregs of humanity emptied
from overcrowded British jails into exile on a God forsaken southern
hemisphere island one must examing British slang to glean the meanings of
bugger and how they apply to New Zealanders or rather, how they define New
Zealanders.

bugger
Noun. 1. An objectionable person.
2. A person. Also used in a sense of pity, see 'sod'.
3. A situation or event that is difficult or distressing. E.g. "It's a real
bugger Pete catching the flu on his summer holidays."
Exclam. Expressing annoyance or frustration.
Verb. To ruin, damage, break. E.g."If I find out it was you that buggered my
DVD player, then you can forget borrowing money from us to go on holiday."

From: http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/b.htm

The lesson to be learned: know your roots. . .

Wilbur Hubbard


It is becoming increasingly noticeable that the good Wilbur is making
more and more references to obscene activities. Perhaps his lifelong
abhorrence of women is just now coming to the fore or perhaps he has
always batted from the opposite side of the plate. In any event the
closet door appears to be opening and the real Wilbur is slowly
emerging.




A fool who knows his foolishness is wise
at least to that extent, but a fool who
thinks himself wise is a fool indeed.

Now the idiot displays his ignorance.

He does not even know the difference between New Zealand and Australia
which is over 1,000 miles distant.

New Zealand was founded either b y land companies or by Church
Societies such as the Anglicans and Presbytarians.

There were no convict forebears

Ignoramus.

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:23:33 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:04:50 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:





People in New Zealand are retarded then. It's not a Bugi man its a Bogey
Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

All U.S. Americans, when they were kids, were routinely threatened with the
coming of a bogey man. If you were bad the bogey man was gonna get you, etc.

Bugi Man??? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh! No wonder Kiwi's can't sail.
They can't even think.

Wilbur Hubbard


Ah! Wilbur the english teacher.

But you spelled "Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh" incorrectly. If you
want to be taken seriously then you simply must learn to spell.... or
use one syllable words that you do know how to spell.

Didn't your Mama teach you that it is better to keep your mouth shut
and be thought a fool then to open it and prove to the world how
stupid you really are?


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
Your friend is, in addition to many of his other deficits, entirely
ignorant of any knowledge about New Zealand.

1. The pronunciation was and is "Bugi" - not Bogey as is used
elsewhere.

2. In 1997 I attended an IT conference at Harvard University where I
was informed by Professorial staff that the USA was adopting much of
the New Zealand literacy teaching methods as New Zealand had a 98.9%
literacy rate.

3. Your America's Cup racing boat builder is Bruce Farr, a New
Zealander.

4. For a country of 3 million, we have produced such people who first
split the atom and who managed NAS for several years during the space
race.

There are many other inventions by New Zealanders such as ailerons on
aircraft, the jet boat and the self sealing paint tin - in which comes
all of your boating paint - to name a few.

Bruce, please tell your pathetic miserable excuse for a human
existance to nott show your ignorance and the fact that he is merely a
silly little uneducated twit whose sole existence is within the pages
of this newsgroup. He hqas done nothing and as he is also a coward,
never will.

cheers
Peter

Peter,

First of all he is not my friend! My friends are all of, at least
normal intelligence on which point the bloke we are referring to
hardly qualifies, to say nothing of the requirement to be a gentleman.

But in regards to your paean regarding Kiwi accomplishments please
note that these were all the work of expatriate New Zealanders .... in
other words chaps that got tired of sheep and traveled abroad hoping
to find that there was something else.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Peter,

First of all he is not my friend! My friends are all of, at least
normal intelligence on which point the bloke we are referring to
hardly qualifies, to say nothing of the requirement to be a gentleman.

But in regards to your paean regarding Kiwi accomplishments please
note that these were all the work of expatriate New Zealanders .... in
other words chaps that got tired of sheep and traveled abroad hoping
to find that there was something else.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
I do unreservedly apologise.

I just wondered why he attacked you so much. Now I realise that it is
mere envy on his part.

By the way, Bruce Farr designed winning America's Cup boat for New
Zealand whilst still in New Zealand and the self sealing paint tin was
invented in the 1880's or 90's by a resident postal clerk. The jet
boat was invented by Hamilton, a New Zealand high country farmer after
the war who needed a shallow draft boat to reach his property and
ailerons were invented in New Zealand.

Only Earnest Rutherford and Colonel Pickering of NASA did their thing
away from home.

With all of this we stuff it up sometimes.

The kiwifruit was originally a small berry brought back from China
(used to be called Chinese Gooseberry before the marketers renamed it)
and was cultivated to breed the large fruit of today. In the 70's it
was a gold mine as we were the only place in the world to grow and
export it. Then some moron sold the plants themselves to Chile and
received an export incentive award from the Government. Idiots! Chile
can grow it cheaper in the same season as ours and this resulted in
prices tumbling. Selling them to Italy and California is not as bad as
it is a different season.

We did the same with Brown and Rainbow trout. We are one of the few
countries with no Whirling Disease. We sent fry and eggs to Chile and
to Tasmania and now they compete with us in the world's markets. Dumb.
We even sent eggs and fry of a sub-species of Rainbow trout that had
died out in the USA (where we got them from in the 1880's) back to the
USA. It is from a Lake Gerhard in Oregon I think. The ones we sent
back were bigger than the original and were superb angling (fighting)
fish due to selective breeding in cooperation with local anglers. I
was working as a fisheries biologist for our Wildlife Service at the
time. I spent my time analysing the contents of 600 trout guts and in
writing data collection programmes.

For a country with the population of Singapore Island, we have not
done badly.

cheers
Peter

For a country with the population of Singapore Island, we have not
done badly.

cheers
Peter

Oh, by the way Bruce,

I simply cannot let the opportunity go by.

We were also the first country in the world to have real democracy in
that we were the first to have universal sufferage - men and women.

But then I suppose the term 'democracy' needs to be defined here.

Ours is mere electionaring and voting.

It does not include big business putting their man in and then
dictating foreign policy and thus reaping huge profits from their
initial investment from the war industries and oil.

You are right about NZer's migrating overseas. The 'brain drain' is
the reason why the New Zealand Government pushed for Australia to put
restrictions on NZ migration to Australia. Once we did not even need a
passport and could enjoy all the benefits of Australia such as instant
access to free Medicare, unemployment etc. Now we need a passport and
have to wait for the rest though the visa is still largely automatic.
One of the reasons why I took out Australian citizenship.

regards
Peter

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:30:53 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:



For a country with the population of Singapore Island, we have not
done badly.

cheers
Peter

Oh, by the way Bruce,

I simply cannot let the opportunity go by.

We were also the first country in the world to have real democracy in
that we were the first to have universal sufferage - men and women.

But then I suppose the term 'democracy' needs to be defined here.

Ours is mere electionaring and voting.

It does not include big business putting their man in and then
dictating foreign policy and thus reaping huge profits from their
initial investment from the war industries and oil.

You are right about NZer's migrating overseas. The 'brain drain' is
the reason why the New Zealand Government pushed for Australia to put
restrictions on NZ migration to Australia. Once we did not even need a
passport and could enjoy all the benefits of Australia such as instant
access to free Medicare, unemployment etc. Now we need a passport and
have to wait for the rest though the visa is still largely automatic.
One of the reasons why I took out Australian citizenship.

regards
Peter

Sorry, but my home town was holding "Town Meetings" in 1600-something.
A "Town Meeting" ,for the democratically challenged, is a meeting of
all the town's peoples where past and future problems are thrashed out
in public and a "Select Man" elected to run things for the next year.
Very close th the Viking "Thing".

Granted we had a king to take care of the larger problems but as far
as local affairs were concerned most of the New England states had a
primitive form of democracy (the kind where the people ARE listened
to) since the earliest days.

To the best of my knowledge Kiwi Land was unknown at that time, except
to the folks who stick their tongue out in greeting who didn't really
practice a modern form of democracy -- more a "Well, you lost, so into
the pot you go" sort of government :-)



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAaWvVFERVA



"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:30:53 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:



For a country with the population of Singapore Island, we have not
done badly.

cheers
Peter

Oh, by the way Bruce,

I simply cannot let the opportunity go by.

We were also the first country in the world to have real democracy in
that we were the first to have universal sufferage - men and women.

But then I suppose the term 'democracy' needs to be defined here.

Ours is mere electionaring and voting.

It does not include big business putting their man in and then
dictating foreign policy and thus reaping huge profits from their
initial investment from the war industries and oil.

You are right about NZer's migrating overseas. The 'brain drain' is
the reason why the New Zealand Government pushed for Australia to put
restrictions on NZ migration to Australia. Once we did not even need a
passport and could enjoy all the benefits of Australia such as instant
access to free Medicare, unemployment etc. Now we need a passport and
have to wait for the rest though the visa is still largely automatic.
One of the reasons why I took out Australian citizenship.

regards
Peter

Sorry, but my home town was holding "Town Meetings" in 1600-something.
A "Town Meeting" ,for the democratically challenged, is a meeting of
all the town's peoples where past and future problems are thrashed out
in public and a "Select Man" elected to run things for the next year.
Very close th the Viking "Thing".

Granted we had a king to take care of the larger problems but as far
as local affairs were concerned most of the New England states had a
primitive form of democracy (the kind where the people ARE listened
to) since the earliest days.

To the best of my knowledge Kiwi Land was unknown at that time, except
to the folks who stick their tongue out in greeting who didn't really
practice a modern form of democracy -- more a "Well, you lost, so into
the pot you go" sort of government :-)



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)