On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:39:55 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


More like a bulk carrier than a sailboat. But, whatever floats your boat . .
.

Myself, I prefer to sail. This no wind for an entire week is a load of crap.
Won't happen in that part of the world. He obviously lied. What he didn't
want to admit was the winds were light and variable and he was too lazy and
in too much of a hurry to work them. Not to mention his boat was so heavy
loaded down with huge diesel engine and huge tanks to feed its appetite.
Easier to just motor. It takes half a gale to make any decent amount of way
with any motor sailer like that.

That's the problem with carrying a lot of tankage. You quickly turn into
just another worthless motorboat. Now, I think I understand why you failed
to make it around even one time. Your tanks just weren't large enough. Some
sailor, you!


Wilbur Hubbard


For someone that doesn't sail you seem to have a lot of information
about the Indian ocean, albeit incorrect. During the change over from
the N.W. Monsoon to the S.W. Monsoon there are frequent periods of
calm.

The boat is a 55 ft. Ketch and the Perkins 6 cylinder doesn't seem to
weight it down a bit, nor the fuel.

Your problem is that you don't know anything about cruising boats. If
you have ever sailed (and I find that extremely doubtful from your
posts) it was in some sort of tiny day sailor. Had you have ever been
around an ocean going boat or made a voyage out of sight of land you'd
know better. But of course, you haven't so you sit there in your
eazyboy recliner reading your yachting magazines and dreaming you are
a sailor.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

I hate to support you in this Bruce, you being an American, but you
are 100% correct.

The man simply doesn't know what he is talking about having never been
there in one of his several 'circumnavigations'. There are many
periods of many days without wind and the currents in this area make
it both necessary and sensible to motor.

Another area requiring frequent motoring is the Med.

I am certain that if Captain Cook and all the great sailors had an
engine and adequate fuel they would have eschewed sailing at times of
adverse or no wind and motored quite happily about. They would have
also used flushing toilets instead of a wooden bucket.

what a moron.

Peter

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:38:10 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:39:55 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


More like a bulk carrier than a sailboat. But, whatever floats your boat . .
.

Myself, I prefer to sail. This no wind for an entire week is a load of crap.
Won't happen in that part of the world. He obviously lied. What he didn't
want to admit was the winds were light and variable and he was too lazy and
in too much of a hurry to work them. Not to mention his boat was so heavy
loaded down with huge diesel engine and huge tanks to feed its appetite.
Easier to just motor. It takes half a gale to make any decent amount of way
with any motor sailer like that.

That's the problem with carrying a lot of tankage. You quickly turn into
just another worthless motorboat. Now, I think I understand why you failed
to make it around even one time. Your tanks just weren't large enough. Some
sailor, you!


Wilbur Hubbard


For someone that doesn't sail you seem to have a lot of information
about the Indian ocean, albeit incorrect. During the change over from
the N.W. Monsoon to the S.W. Monsoon there are frequent periods of
calm.

The boat is a 55 ft. Ketch and the Perkins 6 cylinder doesn't seem to
weight it down a bit, nor the fuel.

Your problem is that you don't know anything about cruising boats. If
you have ever sailed (and I find that extremely doubtful from your
posts) it was in some sort of tiny day sailor. Had you have ever been
around an ocean going boat or made a voyage out of sight of land you'd
know better. But of course, you haven't so you sit there in your
eazyboy recliner reading your yachting magazines and dreaming you are
a sailor.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

I hate to support you in this Bruce, you being an American, but you
are 100% correct.

The man simply doesn't know what he is talking about having never been
there in one of his several 'circumnavigations'. There are many
periods of many days without wind and the currents in this area make
it both necessary and sensible to motor.

Another area requiring frequent motoring is the Med.

I am certain that if Captain Cook and all the great sailors had an
engine and adequate fuel they would have eschewed sailing at times of
adverse or no wind and motored quite happily about. They would have
also used flushing toilets instead of a wooden bucket.

what a moron.

Peter


Many years ago I met Captain Carter, an 80 year old lobster fisherman
and boat builder up on the coast of Maine. His family had lived in the
area and built boats for a couple of hundred years.

I asked him one day, Captain Carter, were the good old days really
that good?

He replied, "Boy, I'll tell you. you get down the mouth of the bay in
a sloop and the wind dies and you have to row her home you won't talk
about the Good Old Days.

Sloop, in this case referring to a lobster boat, a 28 - 30 ft.
Friendship Sloop like Captain Carter fished from in his younger days.

The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands but they are all motorized now.

Real sailors -- the people that actually make their living from being
on the water are pretty unanimous in thinking that internal combustion
is good.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands but they are all motorized now.

Real sailors -- the people that actually make their living from being
on the water are pretty unanimous in thinking that internal combustion
is good.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
A thought just leapt into my somewhat disheveled mind.

In New Zealand as small children we were threatened by the "Bugi man"
along the lines of "If you don't be good, go to sleep etc., the Bugi
man will get you" I think it has since fallen out of favour, probably
to someone like Darth Vader.

The Bugi man is derived of course from the fierce Bugis sailors,
pirates and traders.

Was the Bugi man used in the USA to frighten children or is it a
colonial legacy you didn't inherit?

regards
Peter

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:35:13 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:




The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands ///

Bruce-in-Bangkok

///
In New Zealand as small children we were threatened by the "Bugi man"
along the lines of "If you don't be good, go to sleep etc., the Bugi
man will get you"

The Bugi man is derived of course from the fierce Bugis sailors,
pirates and traders.

Was the Bugi man used in the USA to frighten children or is it a
colonial legacy you didn't inherit?

regards
Peter

The word bogey is linked to many similar words in European languages;
púca, pooka or pookha (Irish Gaelic), pwca, bwga or bwgan (Welsh),
puki (Old Norse), pixie or piskie (Cornish), puck (English), bogu
(Slavonic) and of course bugge (Middle English) - frightening specter.

Brian W

"Herodotus" wrote in message
...



The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands but they are all motorized now.

Real sailors -- the people that actually make their living from being
on the water are pretty unanimous in thinking that internal combustion
is good.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
A thought just leapt into my somewhat disheveled mind.

In New Zealand as small children we were threatened by the "Bugi man"
along the lines of "If you don't be good, go to sleep etc., the Bugi
man will get you" I think it has since fallen out of favour, probably
to someone like Darth Vader.

The Bugi man is derived of course from the fierce Bugis sailors,
pirates and traders.

Was the Bugi man used in the USA to frighten children or is it a
colonial legacy you didn't inherit?

regards
Peter


People in New Zealand are retarded then. It's not a Bugi man its a Bogey
Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

All U.S. Americans, when they were kids, were routinely threatened with the
coming of a bogey man. If you were bad the bogey man was gonna get you, etc.

Bugi Man??? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh! No wonder Kiwi's can't sail.
They can't even think.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:57:22 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Herodotus" wrote in message
.. .



The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands but they are all motorized now.

Real sailors -- the people that actually make their living from being
on the water are pretty unanimous in thinking that internal combustion
is good.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
A thought just leapt into my somewhat disheveled mind.

In New Zealand as small children we were threatened by the "Bugi man"
along the lines of "If you don't be good, go to sleep etc., the Bugi
man will get you" I think it has since fallen out of favour, probably
to someone like Darth Vader.

The Bugi man is derived of course from the fierce Bugis sailors,
pirates and traders.

Was the Bugi man used in the USA to frighten children or is it a
colonial legacy you didn't inherit?

regards
Peter


People in New Zealand are retarded then. It's not a Bugi man its a Bogey
Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

All U.S. Americans, when they were kids, were routinely threatened with the
coming of a bogey man. If you were bad the bogey man was gonna get you, etc.

Bugi Man??? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh! No wonder Kiwi's can't sail.
They can't even think.

Wilbur Hubbard


Ah! Wilbur the english teacher.

But you spelled "Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh" incorrectly. If you
want to be taken seriously then you simply must learn to spell.... or
use one syllable words that you do know how to spell.

Didn't your Mama teach you that it is better to keep your mouth shut
and be thought a fool then to open it and prove to the world how
stupid you really are?


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:04:50 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:





People in New Zealand are retarded then. It's not a Bugi man its a Bogey
Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

All U.S. Americans, when they were kids, were routinely threatened with the
coming of a bogey man. If you were bad the bogey man was gonna get you, etc.

Bugi Man??? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh! No wonder Kiwi's can't sail.
They can't even think.

Wilbur Hubbard


Ah! Wilbur the english teacher.

But you spelled "Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh" incorrectly. If you
want to be taken seriously then you simply must learn to spell.... or
use one syllable words that you do know how to spell.

Didn't your Mama teach you that it is better to keep your mouth shut
and be thought a fool then to open it and prove to the world how
stupid you really are?


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
Your friend is, in addition to many of his other deficits, entirely
ignorant of any knowledge about New Zealand.

1. The pronunciation was and is "Bugi" - not Bogey as is used
elsewhere.

2. In 1997 I attended an IT conference at Harvard University where I
was informed by Professorial staff that the USA was adopting much of
the New Zealand literacy teaching methods as New Zealand had a 98.9%
literacy rate.

3. Your America's Cup racing boat builder is Bruce Farr, a New
Zealander.

4. For a country of 3 million, we have produced such people who first
split the atom and who managed NAS for several years during the space
race.

There are many other inventions by New Zealanders such as ailerons on
aircraft, the jet boat and the self sealing paint tin - in which comes
all of your boating paint - to name a few.

Bruce, please tell your pathetic miserable excuse for a human
existance to nott show your ignorance and the fact that he is merely a
silly little uneducated twit whose sole existence is within the pages
of this newsgroup. He hqas done nothing and as he is also a coward,
never will.

cheers
Peter

"Herodotus" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:04:50 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:





People in New Zealand are retarded then. It's not a Bugi man its a Bogey
Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

All U.S. Americans, when they were kids, were routinely threatened with
the
coming of a bogey man. If you were bad the bogey man was gonna get you,
etc.

Bugi Man??? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh! No wonder Kiwi's can't
sail.
They can't even think.

Wilbur Hubbard


Ah! Wilbur the english teacher.

But you spelled "Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh" incorrectly. If you
want to be taken seriously then you simply must learn to spell.... or
use one syllable words that you do know how to spell.

Didn't your Mama teach you that it is better to keep your mouth shut
and be thought a fool then to open it and prove to the world how
stupid you really are?


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
Your friend is, in addition to many of his other deficits, entirely
ignorant of any knowledge about New Zealand.

1. The pronunciation was and is "Bugi" - not Bogey as is used
elsewhere.

2. In 1997 I attended an IT conference at Harvard University where I
was informed by Professorial staff that the USA was adopting much of
the New Zealand literacy teaching methods as New Zealand had a 98.9%
literacy rate.

3. Your America's Cup racing boat builder is Bruce Farr, a New
Zealander.

4. For a country of 3 million, we have produced such people who first
split the atom and who managed NAS for several years during the space
race.

There are many other inventions by New Zealanders such as ailerons on
aircraft, the jet boat and the self sealing paint tin - in which comes
all of your boating paint - to name a few.

Bruce, please tell your pathetic miserable excuse for a human
existance to nott show your ignorance and the fact that he is merely a
silly little uneducated twit whose sole existence is within the pages
of this newsgroup. He hqas done nothing and as he is also a coward,
never will.

cheers
Peter



I think where the confusion lies is in the psyche of New Zealanders. Instead
of calling it the Buggi man they should call it the Bugger man.

Since New Zealanders' forefathers consisted of dregs of humanity emptied
from overcrowded British jails into exile on a God forsaken southern
hemisphere island one must examing British slang to glean the meanings of
bugger and how they apply to New Zealanders or rather, how they define New
Zealanders.

bugger
Noun. 1. An objectionable person.
2. A person. Also used in a sense of pity, see 'sod'.
3. A situation or event that is difficult or distressing. E.g. "It's a real
bugger Pete catching the flu on his summer holidays."
Exclam. Expressing annoyance or frustration.
Verb. To ruin, damage, break. E.g."If I find out it was you that buggered my
DVD player, then you can forget borrowing money from us to go on holiday."

From: http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/b.htm

The lesson to be learned: know your roots. . .

Wilbur Hubbard

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:23:33 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:04:50 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:





People in New Zealand are retarded then. It's not a Bugi man its a Bogey
Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

All U.S. Americans, when they were kids, were routinely threatened with the
coming of a bogey man. If you were bad the bogey man was gonna get you, etc.

Bugi Man??? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh! No wonder Kiwi's can't sail.
They can't even think.

Wilbur Hubbard


Ah! Wilbur the english teacher.

But you spelled "Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh" incorrectly. If you
want to be taken seriously then you simply must learn to spell.... or
use one syllable words that you do know how to spell.

Didn't your Mama teach you that it is better to keep your mouth shut
and be thought a fool then to open it and prove to the world how
stupid you really are?


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
Your friend is, in addition to many of his other deficits, entirely
ignorant of any knowledge about New Zealand.

1. The pronunciation was and is "Bugi" - not Bogey as is used
elsewhere.

2. In 1997 I attended an IT conference at Harvard University where I
was informed by Professorial staff that the USA was adopting much of
the New Zealand literacy teaching methods as New Zealand had a 98.9%
literacy rate.

3. Your America's Cup racing boat builder is Bruce Farr, a New
Zealander.

4. For a country of 3 million, we have produced such people who first
split the atom and who managed NAS for several years during the space
race.

There are many other inventions by New Zealanders such as ailerons on
aircraft, the jet boat and the self sealing paint tin - in which comes
all of your boating paint - to name a few.

Bruce, please tell your pathetic miserable excuse for a human
existance to nott show your ignorance and the fact that he is merely a
silly little uneducated twit whose sole existence is within the pages
of this newsgroup. He hqas done nothing and as he is also a coward,
never will.

cheers
Peter

Peter,

First of all he is not my friend! My friends are all of, at least
normal intelligence on which point the bloke we are referring to
hardly qualifies, to say nothing of the requirement to be a gentleman.

But in regards to your paean regarding Kiwi accomplishments please
note that these were all the work of expatriate New Zealanders .... in
other words chaps that got tired of sheep and traveled abroad hoping
to find that there was something else.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

On Jun 29, 3:35*am, Herodotus wrote:



Was the Bugi man used in the USA to frighten children or is it a
colonial legacy you didn't inherit?
Peter

Yes unfortunatly..... it was durring the 1970s a terrrible time in US
history.

it began as a Saturday night fever that led to Bugie Nights nearly
every one was have ing a hard time simply Stayin Alive Stayin
alive......

Terrible terribble time n the US......... thank fully the 80s brought
us back to reality...


Bugie Night Bob