On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:31:53 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-06-25 23:24:41 -0400, Wayne.B said:

Even with proper diesel inboard aux, most of the serious cruising
sailboats that we see are carrying 40 to 60 gallons of extra fuel on
deck. These are boats that actually go someplace of course.

OMG! That'd give Xan a conservative 1,400-2,000 mile range under power!

The idea of 3-500# of fuel up on deck, though.... I'm always surprised
that they don't just add tankage. Doubt there's a boat over about 25'
that doesn't have some out of the way place to stick another tank, and
it doesn't take much to add 40 gallons.


Imagine a couple of scenarios. (1) You plan a trip to Chagos islands
in the Indian ocean. Down and back, about a four thousand mile trip,
several months in the islands where absolutely nothing is available. A
little fuel in cans on the deck in addition to the inside tankage
might be advisable. Or (2) a trip from Phuket to Malaysia where diesel
is half the cost of Thailand. Maybe a few jerry cans on the deck to
bring some back?

Or the trip a mate of mine just made to India. Three weeks to Cochin
and no wind for the last week - motored for 160 hours.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:31:53 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-06-25 23:24:41 -0400, Wayne.B
said:

Even with proper diesel inboard aux, most of the serious cruising
sailboats that we see are carrying 40 to 60 gallons of extra fuel on
deck. These are boats that actually go someplace of course.

OMG! That'd give Xan a conservative 1,400-2,000 mile range under power!

The idea of 3-500# of fuel up on deck, though.... I'm always surprised
that they don't just add tankage. Doubt there's a boat over about 25'
that doesn't have some out of the way place to stick another tank, and
it doesn't take much to add 40 gallons.


Imagine a couple of scenarios. (1) You plan a trip to Chagos islands
in the Indian ocean. Down and back, about a four thousand mile trip,
several months in the islands where absolutely nothing is available. A
little fuel in cans on the deck in addition to the inside tankage
might be advisable. Or (2) a trip from Phuket to Malaysia where diesel
is half the cost of Thailand. Maybe a few jerry cans on the deck to
bring some back?

Or the trip a mate of mine just made to India. Three weeks to Cochin
and no wind for the last week - motored for 160 hours.


More like a bulk carrier than a sailboat. But, whatever floats your boat . .
..

Myself, I prefer to sail. This no wind for an entire week is a load of crap.
Won't happen in that part of the world. He obviously lied. What he didn't
want to admit was the winds were light and variable and he was too lazy and
in too much of a hurry to work them. Not to mention his boat was so heavy
loaded down with huge diesel engine and huge tanks to feed its appetite.
Easier to just motor. It takes half a gale to make any decent amount of way
with any motor sailer like that.

That's the problem with carrying a lot of tankage. You quickly turn into
just another worthless motorboat. Now, I think I understand why you failed
to make it around even one time. Your tanks just weren't large enough. Some
sailor, you!



Wilbur Hubbard

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 21:41:41 -0400, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote:


"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:31:53 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:

On 2008-06-25 23:24:41 -0400, Wayne.B
said:

Even with proper diesel inboard aux, most of the serious cruising
sailboats that we see are carrying 40 to 60 gallons of extra fuel on
deck. These are boats that actually go someplace of course.

OMG! That'd give Xan a conservative 1,400-2,000 mile range under power!

The idea of 3-500# of fuel up on deck, though.... I'm always surprised
that they don't just add tankage. Doubt there's a boat over about 25'
that doesn't have some out of the way place to stick another tank, and
it doesn't take much to add 40 gallons.


Imagine a couple of scenarios. (1) You plan a trip to Chagos islands
in the Indian ocean. Down and back, about a four thousand mile trip,
several months in the islands where absolutely nothing is available. A
little fuel in cans on the deck in addition to the inside tankage
might be advisable. Or (2) a trip from Phuket to Malaysia where diesel
is half the cost of Thailand. Maybe a few jerry cans on the deck to
bring some back?

Or the trip a mate of mine just made to India. Three weeks to Cochin
and no wind for the last week - motored for 160 hours.


More like a bulk carrier than a sailboat. But, whatever floats your boat . .
.

Myself, I prefer to sail. This no wind for an entire week is a load of crap.
Won't happen in that part of the world. He obviously lied. What he didn't
want to admit was the winds were light and variable and he was too lazy and
in too much of a hurry to work them. Not to mention his boat was so heavy
loaded down with huge diesel engine and huge tanks to feed its appetite.
Easier to just motor. It takes half a gale to make any decent amount of way
with any motor sailer like that.

That's the problem with carrying a lot of tankage. You quickly turn into
just another worthless motorboat. Now, I think I understand why you failed
to make it around even one time. Your tanks just weren't large enough. Some
sailor, you!


Wilbur Hubbard


For someone that doesn't sail you seem to have a lot of information
about the Indian ocean, albeit incorrect. During the change over from
the N.W. Monsoon to the S.W. Monsoon there are frequent periods of
calm.

The boat is a 55 ft. Ketch and the Perkins 6 cylinder doesn't seem to
weight it down a bit, nor the fuel.

Your problem is that you don't know anything about cruising boats. If
you have ever sailed (and I find that extremely doubtful from your
posts) it was in some sort of tiny day sailor. Had you have ever been
around an ocean going boat or made a voyage out of sight of land you'd
know better. But of course, you haven't so you sit there in your
eazyboy recliner reading your yachting magazines and dreaming you are
a sailor.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:39:55 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


More like a bulk carrier than a sailboat. But, whatever floats your boat . .
.

Myself, I prefer to sail. This no wind for an entire week is a load of crap.
Won't happen in that part of the world. He obviously lied. What he didn't
want to admit was the winds were light and variable and he was too lazy and
in too much of a hurry to work them. Not to mention his boat was so heavy
loaded down with huge diesel engine and huge tanks to feed its appetite.
Easier to just motor. It takes half a gale to make any decent amount of way
with any motor sailer like that.

That's the problem with carrying a lot of tankage. You quickly turn into
just another worthless motorboat. Now, I think I understand why you failed
to make it around even one time. Your tanks just weren't large enough. Some
sailor, you!


Wilbur Hubbard


For someone that doesn't sail you seem to have a lot of information
about the Indian ocean, albeit incorrect. During the change over from
the N.W. Monsoon to the S.W. Monsoon there are frequent periods of
calm.

The boat is a 55 ft. Ketch and the Perkins 6 cylinder doesn't seem to
weight it down a bit, nor the fuel.

Your problem is that you don't know anything about cruising boats. If
you have ever sailed (and I find that extremely doubtful from your
posts) it was in some sort of tiny day sailor. Had you have ever been
around an ocean going boat or made a voyage out of sight of land you'd
know better. But of course, you haven't so you sit there in your
eazyboy recliner reading your yachting magazines and dreaming you are
a sailor.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

I hate to support you in this Bruce, you being an American, but you
are 100% correct.

The man simply doesn't know what he is talking about having never been
there in one of his several 'circumnavigations'. There are many
periods of many days without wind and the currents in this area make
it both necessary and sensible to motor.

Another area requiring frequent motoring is the Med.

I am certain that if Captain Cook and all the great sailors had an
engine and adequate fuel they would have eschewed sailing at times of
adverse or no wind and motored quite happily about. They would have
also used flushing toilets instead of a wooden bucket.

what a moron.

Peter

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:38:10 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:39:55 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote:


More like a bulk carrier than a sailboat. But, whatever floats your boat . .
.

Myself, I prefer to sail. This no wind for an entire week is a load of crap.
Won't happen in that part of the world. He obviously lied. What he didn't
want to admit was the winds were light and variable and he was too lazy and
in too much of a hurry to work them. Not to mention his boat was so heavy
loaded down with huge diesel engine and huge tanks to feed its appetite.
Easier to just motor. It takes half a gale to make any decent amount of way
with any motor sailer like that.

That's the problem with carrying a lot of tankage. You quickly turn into
just another worthless motorboat. Now, I think I understand why you failed
to make it around even one time. Your tanks just weren't large enough. Some
sailor, you!


Wilbur Hubbard


For someone that doesn't sail you seem to have a lot of information
about the Indian ocean, albeit incorrect. During the change over from
the N.W. Monsoon to the S.W. Monsoon there are frequent periods of
calm.

The boat is a 55 ft. Ketch and the Perkins 6 cylinder doesn't seem to
weight it down a bit, nor the fuel.

Your problem is that you don't know anything about cruising boats. If
you have ever sailed (and I find that extremely doubtful from your
posts) it was in some sort of tiny day sailor. Had you have ever been
around an ocean going boat or made a voyage out of sight of land you'd
know better. But of course, you haven't so you sit there in your
eazyboy recliner reading your yachting magazines and dreaming you are
a sailor.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

I hate to support you in this Bruce, you being an American, but you
are 100% correct.

The man simply doesn't know what he is talking about having never been
there in one of his several 'circumnavigations'. There are many
periods of many days without wind and the currents in this area make
it both necessary and sensible to motor.

Another area requiring frequent motoring is the Med.

I am certain that if Captain Cook and all the great sailors had an
engine and adequate fuel they would have eschewed sailing at times of
adverse or no wind and motored quite happily about. They would have
also used flushing toilets instead of a wooden bucket.

what a moron.

Peter


Many years ago I met Captain Carter, an 80 year old lobster fisherman
and boat builder up on the coast of Maine. His family had lived in the
area and built boats for a couple of hundred years.

I asked him one day, Captain Carter, were the good old days really
that good?

He replied, "Boy, I'll tell you. you get down the mouth of the bay in
a sloop and the wind dies and you have to row her home you won't talk
about the Good Old Days.

Sloop, in this case referring to a lobster boat, a 28 - 30 ft.
Friendship Sloop like Captain Carter fished from in his younger days.

The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands but they are all motorized now.

Real sailors -- the people that actually make their living from being
on the water are pretty unanimous in thinking that internal combustion
is good.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands but they are all motorized now.

Real sailors -- the people that actually make their living from being
on the water are pretty unanimous in thinking that internal combustion
is good.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
A thought just leapt into my somewhat disheveled mind.

In New Zealand as small children we were threatened by the "Bugi man"
along the lines of "If you don't be good, go to sleep etc., the Bugi
man will get you" I think it has since fallen out of favour, probably
to someone like Darth Vader.

The Bugi man is derived of course from the fierce Bugis sailors,
pirates and traders.

Was the Bugi man used in the USA to frighten children or is it a
colonial legacy you didn't inherit?

regards
Peter

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:35:13 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:




The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands ///

Bruce-in-Bangkok

///
In New Zealand as small children we were threatened by the "Bugi man"
along the lines of "If you don't be good, go to sleep etc., the Bugi
man will get you"

The Bugi man is derived of course from the fierce Bugis sailors,
pirates and traders.

Was the Bugi man used in the USA to frighten children or is it a
colonial legacy you didn't inherit?

regards
Peter

The word bogey is linked to many similar words in European languages;
púca, pooka or pookha (Irish Gaelic), pwca, bwga or bwgan (Welsh),
puki (Old Norse), pixie or piskie (Cornish), puck (English), bogu
(Slavonic) and of course bugge (Middle English) - frightening specter.

Brian W

"Herodotus" wrote in message
...



The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands but they are all motorized now.

Real sailors -- the people that actually make their living from being
on the water are pretty unanimous in thinking that internal combustion
is good.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
A thought just leapt into my somewhat disheveled mind.

In New Zealand as small children we were threatened by the "Bugi man"
along the lines of "If you don't be good, go to sleep etc., the Bugi
man will get you" I think it has since fallen out of favour, probably
to someone like Darth Vader.

The Bugi man is derived of course from the fierce Bugis sailors,
pirates and traders.

Was the Bugi man used in the USA to frighten children or is it a
colonial legacy you didn't inherit?

regards
Peter


People in New Zealand are retarded then. It's not a Bugi man its a Bogey
Man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

All U.S. Americans, when they were kids, were routinely threatened with the
coming of a bogey man. If you were bad the bogey man was gonna get you, etc.

Bugi Man??? Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahh! No wonder Kiwi's can't sail.
They can't even think.

Wilbur Hubbard

On Jun 29, 3:35*am, Herodotus wrote:



Was the Bugi man used in the USA to frighten children or is it a
colonial legacy you didn't inherit?
Peter

Yes unfortunatly..... it was durring the 1970s a terrrible time in US
history.

it began as a Saturday night fever that led to Bugie Nights nearly
every one was have ing a hard time simply Stayin Alive Stayin
alive......

Terrible terribble time n the US......... thank fully the 80s brought
us back to reality...


Bugie Night Bob

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 21:35:13 +1000, Herodotus
wrote:




The Buggis Schooners, from S. Sulawasi are still trading between the
Indonesian Islands but they are all motorized now.

Real sailors -- the people that actually make their living from being
on the water are pretty unanimous in thinking that internal combustion
is good.



Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

Bruce,
A thought just leapt into my somewhat disheveled mind.

In New Zealand as small children we were threatened by the "Bugi man"
along the lines of "If you don't be good, go to sleep etc., the Bugi
man will get you" I think it has since fallen out of favour, probably
to someone like Darth Vader.

The Bugi man is derived of course from the fierce Bugis sailors,
pirates and traders.

Was the Bugi man used in the USA to frighten children or is it a
colonial legacy you didn't inherit?

regards
Peter


I suspect that it was actually Buggie man, as someone else posted
however the Bugis have made voyages between
Sulawasi and Australia for generations and very likely visited N.Z. as
well.

As the Buggis have a reputation every where they go for being a
troublesome race (instead of punching you in the nose they tend to
stick a knife in you) it is quite possible that in N.Z. you were
threatened by the Buggi man.


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)