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"He said it just started sinking in the middle of the night," McGrew
said. "He woke up and half the boat was under water." http://www.enctoday.com/news/_57288_...le.html/_.html Fred |
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On Jun 8, 11:00*am, Gordon wrote:
* How else would you cross an ocean singlehanded if you don't sleep once in a while? * Gordon Issure one 1) why would you want to be out there in a a sailboat that flips over and stays turtle? "...reported seeing a capsized sailboat..." Issue 2) and why did nt the owner have an EPIRB packed in the life raft? You know the kind, Nice small personal type. Issue 3) Obviously lacked high water bilge alarm Issue 4) SInce there was no crash I would bet the water got in through a) stuffing box b) through hull valve/hose asymbly c) possible transducer leak. But #2-3 are a result of stupidity. And I suspect #1 is stupidity also... who whould ever want an ocean boat that did not right itself???? Bob |
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On Jun 8, 3:17 pm, jeff wrote:
wrote: "He said it just started sinking in the middle of the night," McGrew said. "He woke up and half the boat was under water." http://www.enctoday.com/news/_57288_...le.html/_.html Fred The real question is why would the cruise ship just continue on without investigating? Aren't they obligated to check it out? If a passenger fell overboard would they continue on to save fuel? The cruise ship saw the boat, not the raft. They probably looked for the raft, but a C-130 is a much better search tool. Todd Smith |
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Bob wrote:
On Jun 8, 11:00 am, Gordon wrote: How else would you cross an ocean singlehanded if you don't sleep once in a while? Gordon Issure one 1) why would you want to be out there in a a sailboat that flips over and stays turtle? Could be the bolt on keel fell off. |
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On Jun 8, 2:26*pm, Bob wrote:
On Jun 8, 11:00*am, Gordon wrote: * How else would you cross an ocean singlehanded if you don't sleep once in a while? * Gordon Issure one 1) why would you want to be out there in a a sailboat that flips over and stays turtle? Ever hear of a keel falling off? "...reported seeing a capsized sailboat..." Issue 2) and why did nt the owner have an EPIRB packed in the life raft? You know the kind, Nice small personal type. Why not have one properly mounted in a self launching bracket they were designed for? Perhaps he had a cheap-o one like you suggested and it proved to be worthless unless an airplane happens to fly over. Issue 3) Obviously lacked high water bilge alarm Could have failed, float switch might have stuck. He might have had a short in the 12 v system rendering the alarm and pumps usless. Issue 4) SInce there was no crash I would bet the water got in through a) stuffing box b) through hull valve/hose asymbly c) possible transducer leak. What about the board box? Under water dolphin viewing window seals? Enough guesses you might get lucky. But #2-3 are a result of stupidity. It is stupid for you even to guess without examaning the boat and talking to the owner. But I forgot, you a a bonafide lifeboatman student so that makes you a leading marine expert right? And I suspect #1 is stupidity also... who whould ever want an ocean boat that did not right itself???? Having no other details but it being capsized it is stupid for you to even guess why it turned turtle and did not right itself. If you had a picture, of even a clue as to the type of boat you might be able to make a guess. But I forgot, you attended dive school 40 years ago so you are indeed a leading expert on turning turtle. Fred Bob |
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On Jun 8, 2:00*pm, Gordon wrote:
wrote: "He said it just started sinking in the middle of the night," McGrew said. "He woke up and half the boat was under water." http://www.enctoday.com/news/_57288_...le.html/_.html Fred ?? * How else would you cross an ocean singlehanded if you don't sleep once in a while? * Gordon You get a betty crocker baking timer off your mom's stove. Set it for 15 min and duct tape it to your ear, it rings, you look, all OK, repet the timer setting process. 15 min would be the max time allowed given the speed of modern vessels. Fred |
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On Jun 8, 4:33*pm, wrote:
Issure one 1) why would you want to be out there in a a sailboat that flips over and stays turtle? Ever hear of a keel falling off? Y yes, on boats maintained by knuckle heads who do not know enough to inspect the bolts. Why not have one properly mounted in a self launching bracket they were designed for? Because where I sail it would get swept off and deployed. I keep my EPIRBs: a. one in the boat b. one personal on my mustang suit/harness depending on weather c. one packed in the valease raft which is stored... again, inside teh boat. Perhaps he had a cheap-o one like you suggested and it proved to be worthless unless an airplane happens to fly over. O, and EPIRBS transmit to satellites not airplanes................. but im sure you knew that Ill be kind regarding your stainment. your Language and word choice is a window into who are, what you know, and where you grew up. Issue 3) Obviously lacked high water bilge alarm Could have failed, float switch might have stuck. He might have had a short in the 12 v system rendering the alarm and pumps usless. again see above language. I use two high water alarms on seperate circuits. the switches have no moving parts. Its not normally common on the recreational yachts ive poked around. If yould like I could post a link to the swithc if you like. Issue 4) SInce there was no crash I would bet the water got in through a) stuffing box b) through hull valve/hose asymbly c) possible transducer leak. It is stupid for you even to guess without examaning the boat and talking to the owner. Seems pretty much a no brainer to me. Boat fills with water. But I forgot, you a a bonafide lifeboatman student so that makes you a leading marine expert right? no expert. Just what any normal person would realize. Roger is the resident expert here. And Im not a student. got my LB certificate a couple weeks ago. It was actually pretty fun ! And I suspect #1 is stupidity also... who whould ever want an ocean boat that did not right itself???? *Having no other details but it being capsized it is stupid for you to even guess why it turned turtle and did not right itself. If you had a picture, of even a clue as to the type of boat you might be able to make a guess. But I forgot, you attended dive school 40 years ago so you are indeed a leading expert on turning turtle. Fred Well Fred, two last things. First I went to DIT in 1980 so not quite 30 years ago. I guess you could also give me **** for get a sports scuba card at age 12 in 1967. And AB LB STWC-95 in 2008. Humm I wonder where I got the sea time for that AB? I guess I musta sqezzed it in someplace inbetween playing with myself. Second, I am truely flattered that you decided to use my word choices......... "turning turttle." thank you for copying me I met a nice Marshallese trany Friday at the bus stop while I was picking the mango strings that got stuck in my teeth. do you want me to hook ya up with him, ur I mean her? Sweet thing s/he was. He said she really liked white boys bcause they are such good lovers and so attentive ........ bob |
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On Jun 9, 2:54*am, Bob wrote:
On Jun 8, 4:33*pm, wrote: Issure one 1) why would you want to be out there in a a sailboat that flips over and stays turtle? Ever hear of a keel falling off? Y yes, on boats maintained by knuckle heads *who do not know enough to inspect the bolts. Is that the only reason Expert Bob? Why not have one properly mounted in a self launching bracket they were designed for? Because where I sail it would get swept off and deployed. *I keep my EPIRBs: a. one in the boat Thats dumb as you. Every EPIRB mfg in the world will tell you thats a big mistake. If your keel falls off and you sink in 10 seconds, or a ship plows you over the epirb is going down with the boat. The 406 MHz EPIRBs are divided into two categories. Category I EPIRBs are activated either manually or automatically. The automatic activation is triggered when the EPIRB is released from its bracket. Category I EPIRBs are housed in a special bracket equipped with a hydrostatic release. This mechanism releases the EPIRB at a water depth of 3-10 feet. The bouyant EPIRB then floats to the surface and begins transmitting. If you own a Category I EPIRB, it's very important that you mount it outside your vessel's cabin where it will be able to "float free" of the sinking vessel. b. one personal on my mustang suit/harness depending on weather c. one packed in the valease raft which is stored... again, inside teh boat. Again a big mistake, but that seems standard for you. Perhaps he had a cheap-o one like you suggested and it proved to be worthless unless an airplane happens to fly over. O, and EPIRBS transmit to satellites not airplanes................. but im sure you knew that SAR receive 406 and home in on 121's . You expecting a satellite to pluck you from the water? Ill be kind regarding your stainment. your Language and word choice is a window into who are, what you know, and where you grew up. Issue 3) Obviously lacked high water bilge alarm Could have failed, float switch might have stuck. He might have had a short in the 12 v system rendering the alarm and pumps usless. again see above language. I use two high water alarms on seperate circuits. the switches have no moving parts. Its not normally common on the recreational yachts ive poked around. If yould like I could post a link to the swithc if you like. Any "swithc" is usless without power, and both circuits could go down at once unless you have two sources of power. Issue 4) SInce there was no crash I would bet the water got in through a) stuffing box b) through hull valve/hose asymbly c) possible transducer leak. It is stupid for you even to guess without examaning the boat and talking to the owner. Seems pretty much a no brainer to me. *Boat fills with water. That's your problem, you are a no brainer. But I forgot, you a a bonafide lifeboatman student so that makes you a leading marine expert right? no expert. Just what any normal person would realize. Roger is the resident expert here. A normal person would know with so little information not to jump conclusions. And Im not a student. got my LB certificate a couple weeks ago. It was actually pretty fun ! And I suspect #1 is stupidity also... who whould ever want an ocean boat that did not right itself???? *Having no other details but it being capsized it is stupid for you to even guess why it turned turtle and did not right itself. If you had a picture, of even a clue as to the type of boat you might be able to make a guess. But I forgot, you attended dive school 40 years ago so you are indeed a leading expert on turning turtle. Fred Well Fred, two last things. First I went to DIT in 1980 *so not quite 30 years ago. I guess you could also give me **** for get a sports scuba card at age 12 in 1967. And AB LB STWC-95 in 2008. Humm I wonder where I got the sea time for that AB? I guess I musta sqezzed it in someplace inbetween playing with myself. Second, I am truely flattered that you decided to use my word choices......... "turning turttle." thank you for copying me I guess you now think you coined the term "Turning turtle" Seems you have a habit of over estimating your skills, knowledge, and seamanship abilities. *I met a nice Marshallese trany Friday at the bus stop while I was picking the mango strings that got stuck in my teeth. do you want me to hook ya up with him, ur I mean her? Sweet thing s/he was. Sounds like you got laid for the first time since diving school. He said she really liked white boys bcause they are such good lovers and so attentive ........ So it like you, glad you could focus on your new lover. Must be that spiffy AB/cabin boy uniform that impressed him so. Fred bob |
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