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I have long wondered why some people appear to fear the Gulf Stream
and build such large myths and worse about crosssing it. I have crossed the Stream, from north of Ft. Lauderdale, to the Banks south of St. Isaacs Light on the way to Abacos and south, to Exumas, Long Islaand and even further south, and north, to extreme NE Bahamas, more than 30 times, all without incident or concern. If you have a reasonably well founded boat with good navigation gear and good charts, wait for weather window and then "Go," keeping a sharp lookout for other boats and ships. (Ships travel near western wall when headed south and near the eastern wall when headed north.) Devils and other boat-eating monsters do not dwell in the Gulf Stream. Gulf Stream is like any other waters with a moderately fluctuating intensity of current. Be assured that if you are on a boat that is, in all resoects, up to date, you will even enjoy the passage. And when you first spot a Bahamian land mass on the distant horizon, you will be pleased with yourself and your boat. |
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20 knots wind against the current can make it a bit rough.
I personally saw it once rather benign and the NOAA forecast for just 48 hours later turned out to be 50 foot waves (that is right, *50* foot waves). It is not impossible by any means, but one does need to pay attention what's likely to happen in the next day or two. I have long wondered why some people appear to fear the Gulf Stream and build such large myths and worse about crosssing it. I have crossed the Stream, from north of Ft. Lauderdale, to the Banks south of St. Isaacs Light on the way to Abacos and south, to Exumas, Long Islaand and even further south, and north, to extreme NE Bahamas, more than 30 times, all without incident or concern. If you have a reasonably well founded boat with good navigation gear and good charts, wait for weather window and then "Go," keeping a sharp lookout for other boats and ships. (Ships travel near western wall when headed south and near the eastern wall when headed north.) Devils and other boat-eating monsters do not dwell in the Gulf Stream. Gulf Stream is like any other waters with a moderately fluctuating intensity of current. Be assured that if you are on a boat that is, in all resoects, up to date, you will even enjoy the passage. And when you first spot a Bahamian land mass on the distant horizon, you will be pleased with yourself and your boat. |
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anchorlt wrote:
I have long wondered why some people appear to fear the Gulf Stream ... ... I have crossed the Stream, from north of Ft. Lauderdale, to the Banks south of St. Isaacs Light on the way to Abacos and south, to Exumas, Long Islaand and even further south, and north, to extreme NE Bahamas, more than 30 times, all without incident or concern. ... If you have a reasonably well founded boat with good navigation gear and good charts, wait for weather window and then "Go," keeping a sharp lookout for other boats and ships ... Sometimes it happens that when you actually _get_ to the Stream, the "window" is closed. Leaving from Florida in one thing. Leaving from elsewhere on the East Coast or from the Maritimes, places that are more than a mere 25 or 50 miles from the West Wall, is often something else again. I have been in harbor in Bermuda and encountered "well found" boats who lost their rig, lost gear, and, worst of all, lost people in the Stream. I suspect your crossings have given you a perspective that applies well to the locations and situations which you have directly experienced, but not so well to the Gulf Stream in general. Be careful about encouraging foolhardiness. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/ |
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Armond Perretta wrote in message Sometimes it happens that when you actually _get_ to the Stream, the "window" is closed. Leaving from Florida in one thing. Leaving from elsewhere on the East Coast or from the Maritimes, places that are more than a mere 25 or 50 miles from the West Wall, is often something else again. I have been in harbor in Bermuda and encountered "well found" boats who lost their rig, lost gear, and, worst of all, lost people in the Stream. I suspect your crossings have given you a perspective that applies well to the locations and situations which you have directly experienced, but not so well to the Gulf Stream in general. Be careful about encouraging foolhardiness. Good advice. I have a friend who worked for local charter companies here in Halifax and would sail down to the Virgin Islands in October to make money over the winter. They tried to pick a good window, but since it takes close to 7 days from here to Bermuda, things change. He has told me stories of losing rigging/spars/sails ...and this would be on large wooden sailing vessels 100' long. |
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anecdote:
young coastie in pub says he made just two roundings of Cape Hatteras and into the Gulf Stream, both times on an 87 foot Coast Guard cutter. first time he said it was a piece of cake, and he wondered what all the fuss was about. The second time was a mite rougher and he said he hoped to never again be in such rough conditions. Be careful about encouraging foolhardiness. |
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Armond Perretta wrote: Sometimes it happens that when you actually _get_ to the Stream, the "window" is closed. Leaving from Florida in one thing. Leaving from elsewhere on the East Coast or from the Maritimes, places that are more than a mere 25 or 50 miles from the West Wall, is often something else again. I have been in harbor in Bermuda and encountered "well found" boats who lost their rig, lost gear, and, worst of all, lost people in the Stream. I suspect your crossings have given you a perspective that applies well to the locations and situations which you have directly experienced, but not so well to the Gulf Stream in general. Be careful about encouraging foolhardiness. It can change very quickly. A client invited me on an overnight billfish run on his 50 somthing' sportfisher out of Maneto, NC. The first day the wind was SE and it was great. Perfect Paul said that during the night a low would move across a bit north of us. The wind shifted NE about midnight. By 3AM I was bouncing off the cabin top. There is something about the motion of a sportfisher in heavy seas that just scares the hell out of a sailor. -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com |
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"Armond Perretta" wrote in message ...
anchorlt wrote: I have long wondered why some people appear to fear the Gulf Stream ... ... I have crossed the Stream, from north of Ft. Lauderdale, to the Banks south of St. Isaacs Light on the way to Abacos and south, to Exumas, Long Islaand and even further south, and north, to extreme NE Bahamas, more than 30 times, all without incident or concern. ... If you have a reasonably well founded boat with good navigation gear and good charts, wait for weather window and then "Go," keeping a sharp lookout for other boats and ships ... Sometimes it happens that when you actually _get_ to the Stream, the "window" is closed. Leaving from Florida in one thing. Leaving from elsewhere on the East Coast or from the Maritimes, places that are more than a mere 25 or 50 miles from the West Wall, is often something else again. I have been in harbor in Bermuda and encountered "well found" boats who lost their rig, lost gear, and, worst of all, lost people in the Stream. I suspect your crossings have given you a perspective that applies well to the locations and situations which you have directly experienced, but not so well to the Gulf Stream in general. Be careful about encouraging foolhardiness. Foolhardiness? Please read my entry again. |
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It's true you mention 'wait for weather', but you should have emphasized
how important that is. The winds in the stream usually clock around in a clockwise direction. The safest time to leave would be when the winds are at least out of the SE. I would not risk crossing with an East wind, unless I had a very fast boat. I have crossed several times in a 22 foot sailboat, but believe me, I really waited for the weather. I once sat in Angelfish Creek for over a week, until the winds swung around. Since it usually took me 10-12 hours for the crossing, I had to really optimize things. Any northerly component of wind is going to build up steep waves, because of the current going counter to the wind. Wave height can be a problem, but the steepness makes things much worse. In the summer you can get days of almost dead calm for a motor crossing, but other seasons are likely to have higher average winds. anchorlt wrote: I have long wondered why some people appear to fear the Gulf Stream and build such large myths and worse about crosssing it. I have crossed the Stream, from north of Ft. Lauderdale, to the Banks south of St. Isaacs Light on the way to Abacos and south, to Exumas, Long Islaand and even further south, and north, to extreme NE Bahamas, more than 30 times, all without incident or concern. If you have a reasonably well founded boat with good navigation gear and good charts, wait for weather window and then "Go," keeping a sharp lookout for other boats and ships. (Ships travel near western wall when headed south and near the eastern wall when headed north.) Devils and other boat-eating monsters do not dwell in the Gulf Stream. Gulf Stream is like any other waters with a moderately fluctuating intensity of current. Be assured that if you are on a boat that is, in all resoects, up to date, you will even enjoy the passage. And when you first spot a Bahamian land mass on the distant horizon, you will be pleased with yourself and your boat. |
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Does anyone know the physics behind the effect of the north winds on the
Gulf Stream? Simple logic seems to say that a 15 know wind against an opposing current of 3 knots should have the same effect as a 18 know wind on still water. I know, from experience, that it ain't so. by why not? "anchorlt" wrote in message om... I have long wondered why some people appear to fear the Gulf Stream and build such large myths and worse about crosssing it. I have crossed the Stream, from north of Ft. Lauderdale, to the Banks south of St. Isaacs Light on the way to Abacos and south, to Exumas, Long Islaand and even further south, and north, to extreme NE Bahamas, more than 30 times, all without incident or concern. If you have a reasonably well founded boat with good navigation gear and good charts, wait for weather window and then "Go," keeping a sharp lookout for other boats and ships. (Ships travel near western wall when headed south and near the eastern wall when headed north.) Devils and other boat-eating monsters do not dwell in the Gulf Stream. Gulf Stream is like any other waters with a moderately fluctuating intensity of current. Be assured that if you are on a boat that is, in all resoects, up to date, you will even enjoy the passage. And when you first spot a Bahamian land mass on the distant horizon, you will be pleased with yourself and your boat. |
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Sherwin Dubren wrote: It's true you mention 'wait for weather', but you should have emphasized how important that is. The winds in the stream usually clock around in a clockwise direction. The safest time to leave would be when the winds are at least out of the SE. I would not risk crossing with an East wind, unless I had a very fast boat. I have crossed several times in a 22 foot sailboat, but believe me, I really waited for the weather. I once sat in Angelfish Creek for over a week, until the winds swung around. Since it usually took me 10-12 hours for the crossing, I had to really optimize things. Any northerly component of wind is going to build up steep waves, because of the current going counter to the wind. Wave height can be a problem, but the steepness makes things much worse. In the summer you can get days of almost dead calm for a motor crossing, but other seasons are likely to have higher average winds. Well I agree with both of you. If you can see the waves on the horizon it is way too rough in the Gulf Stream. But we have crossed in a dead calm too, even in the winter. If you keep track of the weather movements you will know that the winter winds *usually* start out of the north or northeast, and then, when a front goes through, clock around east, southeast, south, southwest, west, northwest and back to north. The question is how fast they will clock. They will stay out of the north for a week and then go very quickly through the cycle and come back to the north again sometimes (often) in as short a time as a couple of days. This may not be enough time for a slow boat. In that case you have to wait. A week is not too long - sometimes you can wait for 3 weeks or a month or even longer. The winds not only have to be NOT out of the north but have to stay not out of the north long enough to let the waves die down (especially if it has been out of the north for some time) and then get across ASAP so that the winds don't have a chance to get back to the north before you arrive. The trick is to judge how quickly the winds are going to swing. The real problem is that people are afraid to trust their own judgement, and/or don't take advice - contradictory, but both can be true of the same captain. So they insist on going with a 'buddy boat' and then the other boat doesn't travel at the same speed and the faster boat (a trawler maybe) holds up and waits and then get socked. Or the trawler wants no wind but goes with a sailboat who wants a south wind. Or they get tired of waiting (or WORSE have a schedule to keep), and go out and get scared and come back and add to the myth. We've been in West End waiting for a window. The boat that left the day before us had their sails torn out (professional skipper with a guy who was paying for the charter). The next day, three of us left. Us, a little catamaran, and a larger and faster sailboat than us. The wind was a SE wind. I don't know about the cat, but we saw the larger sailboat later - we went to Ft. Pierce - they went to Lake Worth. We had a fast and slightly bumpy trip, surfing along in winds of about 25 knots, taking advantage of the stream to help us get to the northwest. They said they had a horrible trip, and had a horrible trip north to Ft Pierce the next day. Of course their horrible trip might be our nice sail. anchorlt wrote: I have long wondered why some people appear to fear the Gulf Stream and build such large myths and worse about crosssing it. I have crossed the Stream, from north of Ft. Lauderdale, to the Banks south of St. Isaacs Light on the way to Abacos and south, to Exumas, Long Islaand and even further south, and north, to extreme NE Bahamas, more than 30 times, all without incident or concern. If you have a reasonably well founded boat with good navigation gear and good charts, wait for weather window and then "Go," keeping a sharp lookout for other boats and ships. (Ships travel near western wall when headed south and near the eastern wall when headed north.) Devils and other boat-eating monsters do not dwell in the Gulf Stream. Gulf Stream is like any other waters with a moderately fluctuating intensity of current. Be assured that if you are on a boat that is, in all resoects, up to date, you will even enjoy the passage. And when you first spot a Bahamian land mass on the distant horizon, you will be pleased with yourself and your boat. grandma Rosalie |
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anchorlt wrote:
"Armond Perretta" wrote... anchorlt wrote: I have long wondered why some people appear to fear the Gulf Stream ... ... I have crossed the Stream, from north of Ft. Lauderdale, to the Banks south of St. Isaacs Light on the way to Abacos and south, to Exumas, Long Islaand and even further south, and north, to extreme NE Bahamas, more than 30 times, all without incident or concern. ... If you have a reasonably well founded boat with good navigation gear and good charts, wait for weather window and then "Go," keeping a sharp lookout for other boats and ships ... Sometimes it happens that when you actually _get_ to the Stream, the "window" is closed. Leaving from Florida in one thing. Leaving from elsewhere on the East Coast or from the Maritimes, places that are more than a mere 25 or 50 miles from the West Wall, is often something else again. I have been in harbor in Bermuda and encountered "well found" boats who lost their rig, lost gear, and, worst of all, lost people in the Stream. I suspect your crossings have given you a perspective that applies well to the locations and situations which you have directly experienced, but not so well to the Gulf Stream in general. Be careful about encouraging foolhardiness. Foolhardiness? Please read my entry again. Please read _my_ post again. I did not limit my discussion to jumping over to Bimini, since you did not do so with title and tenor of your original post. While you discussed only having crossed the Florida Straights, your subject heading "Gulf Stream Myths" as originally posted makes no effort to limit your analysis to this specific region of ocean. For these reason it seemed appropriate submit the qualifications I did, based on my own experiences with this section of ocean. Florida may own the US Supreme Court and the Electoral College, but the Gulf Stream is still pretty much in the public domain. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/ |
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On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 07:41:05 -0500, "Jerry" wrote:
Does anyone know the physics behind the effect of the north winds on the Gulf Stream? Simple logic seems to say that a 15 know wind against an opposing current of 3 knots should have the same effect as a 18 know wind on still water. I know, from experience, that it ain't so. by why not? ================================================== This is the intuitive, "non-technical" version. I believe it is similar to what happens when a wave encounters shallow water. The forward motion of the wave is slowed, water starts to pile up from behind, and height/steepness increases as a result. |
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anecdote:
Old sailor was nearing Cape Hatteras with 5 GPS units, a sextant, 3 charts, and a Texaco road map, could not find the bouy and decided to turn back for fear of hitting imaginary rocks. The only rocks near CH were in his head. BB |
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I notice that the Navy site I used to check the Gulf Stream has disappeared.
Anyone have a URL for the weekly positions of the Gulf Stream? -- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "Sherwin Dubren" wrote in message ... The gulf stream is somewhat like a river in that it never stops flowing. What does shift is the location of maximum current. Along the coast of Florida it is at a low speed, increasing towards the Bahamas and then falling off again as you approach Easterly closer to the islands. If it is a calm day, you won't even notice the stream unless you take a Easterly heading to say Bimini harbor and watch your boat move Northeast. I have a slow 22 footer and will steer a somewhat SouthEast course across the stream heading East, and although I start somewhat South of Bimini, I will usually hit Bimini right on the nose after a half day crossing. If you have a GPS, you can check your 'course made good' and also see the effects of the current. If you have been crossing in high speed power boats, the effects of the stream would be much less noticeable, but still there. Sherwin Dubren JAXAshby wrote: I been sailing for 46 years trying to find that elusive Gulph Streem. It moves around ya know? JAX (anchorlt) wrote in message . com... I have long wondered why some people appear to fear the Gulf Stream and build such large myths and worse about crosssing it. I have crossed the Stream, from north of Ft. Lauderdale, to the Banks south of St. Isaacs Light on the way to Abacos and south, to Exumas, Long Islaand and even further south, and north, to extreme NE Bahamas, more than 30 times, all without incident or concern. If you have a reasonably well founded boat with good navigation gear and good charts, wait for weather window and then "Go," keeping a sharp lookout for other boats and ships. (Ships travel near western wall when headed south and near the eastern wall when headed north.) Devils and other boat-eating monsters do not dwell in the Gulf Stream. Gulf Stream is like any other waters with a moderately fluctuating intensity of current. Be assured that if you are on a boat that is, in all resoects, up to date, you will even enjoy the passage. And when you first spot a Bahamian land mass on the distant horizon, you will be pleased with yourself and your boat. |
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Try http://www.deos.tudelft.nl/altim/gulfstream/
-- Keith __ Everybody should believe in something: I believe I'll have another drink. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message et... I notice that the Navy site I used to check the Gulf Stream has disappeared. Anyone have a URL for the weekly positions of the Gulf Stream? |
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I have that one, I'm looking for the larger scale one with more detail.
-- Dennis Gibbons dkgibbons at optonline dot net "Keith" wrote in message ... Try http://www.deos.tudelft.nl/altim/gulfstream/ -- Keith __ Everybody should believe in something: I believe I'll have another drink. "Dennis Gibbons" wrote in message et... I notice that the Navy site I used to check the Gulf Stream has disappeared. Anyone have a URL for the weekly positions of the Gulf Stream? |
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Dennis Gibbons wrote:
I have that one, I'm looking for the larger scale one with more detail. For my money (IOW this isn't free) this cannot be beaten: http://users.erols.com/gulfstrm/ Clark's site is the granddaddy (or is it "grandmamma"?) of Gulf Stream references. -- Good luck and good sailing. s/v Kerry Deare of Barnegat http://kerrydeare.home.comcast.net/ |
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Sherwin, you might just wanna take a look at a temp chart of the waters between
Florida and Newfoundland to see just how much of a well-defined "river" the Gulf Stream is. On the average, it "gets there", but there is not much "average" about it. The gulf stream is somewhat like a river in that it never stops flowing. What does shift is the location of maximum current. Along the coast of Florida it is at a low speed, increasing towards the Bahamas and then falling off again as you approach Easterly closer to the islands. If it is a calm day, you won't even notice the stream unless you take a Easterly heading to say Bimini harbor and watch your boat move Northeast. I have a slow 22 footer and will steer a somewhat SouthEast course across the stream heading East, and although I start somewhat South of Bimini, I will usually hit Bimini right on the nose after a half day crossing. If you have a GPS, you can check your 'course made good' and also see the effects of the current. If you have been crossing in high speed power boats, the effects of the stream would be much less noticeable, but still there. Sherwin Dubren JAXAshby wrote: I been sailing for 46 years trying to find that elusive Gulph Streem. It moves around ya know? JAX (anchorlt) wrote in message .com... I have long wondered why some people appear to fear the Gulf Stream and build such large myths and worse about crosssing it. I have crossed the Stream, from north of Ft. Lauderdale, to the Banks south of St. Isaacs Light on the way to Abacos and south, to Exumas, Long Islaand and even further south, and north, to extreme NE Bahamas, more than 30 times, all without incident or concern. If you have a reasonably well founded boat with good navigation gear and good charts, wait for weather window and then "Go," keeping a sharp lookout for other boats and ships. (Ships travel near western wall when headed south and near the eastern wall when headed north.) Devils and other boat-eating monsters do not dwell in the Gulf Stream. Gulf Stream is like any other waters with a moderately fluctuating intensity of current. Be assured that if you are on a boat that is, in all resoects, up to date, you will even enjoy the passage. And when you first spot a Bahamian land mass on the distant horizon, you will be pleased with yourself and your boat. |
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From: (JAXAshby) Date: 03/20/2004 17:12 Pacific Standard Time Message-id: Sherwin, you might just wanna take a look at a temp chart of the waters between Florida and Newfoundland to see just how much of a well-defined "river" the Gulf Stream is. On the average, it "gets there", but there is not much "average" about it. There are areas of the "Gulf Stream", and then there are areas of the Gulf stream. Since it's been awhile since I've seen charts and pilot charts of the East Coast, things may have changed. However, when I first started running with and against the stream, the charts at that time showed a course which approximated the main axis of the stream, generally to some point NE of Hatteras. At that time, it was a given that the "stream" moved inshore at some points of the year, and offshore at others (can't remember which and only remember that it was a winter summer thingy). Having said all this, we noticed the strongest current when running the Fla. coast, which diminished slightly when north of the Bahamas, and diminished again, North of Hatteras (where it tended to spread out). Most of the information used as a basis for this information, was based on experience from those who had gone before. Surprisingly, once we started getting more modern up to date info on the main axis of the stream, and tried to follow it, it was frequently surprising how often we found ourselves out of the stream in areas that with the old methods, we would be in the "stream", and if heading South, vice versa. For those who are racing, I would definitely suggest paying close attention to daily predictions, but for those cruising, I'd say watch the "old" main axis you can find on various charts and if possible, compare and make a "big picture" use of the more up to date predictions ..... i.e. don't ignore the old, whether you are just trying to use it, avoid it, or cross it. Shen |
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shen says, "Don't believe it if you want to know where the Gulf Stream is", but
"don't believe it is you need to know where the Gulf Stream is". anyone know what the heck shen is trying to say _really_ say? Sherwin, you might just wanna take a look at a temp chart of the waters between Florida and Newfoundland to see just how much of a well-defined "river" the Gulf Stream is. On the average, it "gets there", but there is not much "average" about it. There are areas of the "Gulf Stream", and then there are areas of the Gulf stream. Since it's been awhile since I've seen charts and pilot charts of the East Coast, things may have changed. However, when I first started running with and against the stream, the charts at that time showed a course which approximated the main axis of the stream, generally to some point NE of Hatteras. At that time, it was a given that the "stream" moved inshore at some points of the year, and offshore at others (can't remember which and only remember that it was a winter summer thingy). Having said all this, we noticed the strongest current when running the Fla. coast, which diminished slightly when north of the Bahamas, and diminished again, North of Hatteras (where it tended to spread out). Most of the information used as a basis for this information, was based on experience from those who had gone before. Surprisingly, once we started getting more modern up to date info on the main axis of the stream, and tried to follow it, it was frequently surprising how often we found ourselves out of the stream in areas that with the old methods, we would be in the "stream", and if heading South, vice versa. For those who are racing, I would definitely suggest paying close attention to daily predictions, but for those cruising, I'd say watch the "old" main axis you can find on various charts and if possible, compare and make a "big picture" use of the more up to date predictions ..... i.e. don't ignore the old, whether you are just trying to use it, avoid it, or cross it. Shen |
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From: (JAXAshby) BG Didn't think you'd be able to understand a simple KISS principle. OK, just for you, Jax .... Don't rely exclusively on the predictions you get from various sites regarding eddies and various minor changes in direction. Know the "basic axis" of the stream, where possible get updates on this. If possible, get information on the "walls" of the stream (older sources used to give this distance from the main axis). When route planning, never lose sight of the "basic axis" and use those updating predictions for eddies, etc. to fine tune your courses when possible (noting the varying nature of the eddies, etc.) while maintaining contact or distance from the "basic axis" of the stream. Hmmm, probably still beyond you since it involves some basic navigation. Shen shen says, "Don't believe it if you want to know where the Gulf Stream is", but "don't believe it is you need to know where the Gulf Stream is". anyone know what the heck shen is trying to say _really_ say? |
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shen, you were told to never post here in English. Use ONLY your native
language. English is beyond you. what you _tried_ to post below has been said repeatedly by me going back three years on this very subject. **NO** English, schlackoff. No English. OK, just for you, Jax .... Don't rely exclusively on the predictions you get from various sites regarding eddies and various minor changes in direction. Know the "basic axis" of the stream, where possible get updates on this. If possible, get information on the "walls" of the stream (older sources used to give this distance from the main axis). When route planning, never lose sight of the "basic axis" and use those updating predictions for eddies, etc. to fine tune your courses when possible (noting the varying nature of the eddies, etc.) while maintaining contact or distance from the "basic axis" of the stream. Hmmm, probably still beyond you since it involves some basic navigation. Shen shen says, "Don't believe it if you want to know where the Gulf Stream is", but "don't believe it is you need to know where the Gulf Stream is". anyone know what the heck shen is trying to say _really_ say? |
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From: (JAXAshby) I see, jaxass is quickly approaching "return to the funny farm" time. He can't even remember who he's talking to over the short length of his post (twice you've done this in the last week, jaxass). Jax, the only thing you've done in regards to the Gulf Stream, is post some links and tell us all how you could never find it in your rare crewing jobs when rounding Hatteras. You've never mentioned the "main axis", "West wall" or any basic precepts about crossing, following, or avoiding the stream except to give your famous "URL" and say "hey .... here it is". It has become a given, that you have little if any basic navigation skills and even less experience, yet for some stupid reason, you believe that since you can point out some url's and have visited a bunch of boat shows and read some books, that you are an expert on any and every subject. Jax, you've visited the Gulf Stream at one spot ... Hatteras .... and you couldn't find it ..... nuff said about your assumed knowledge and skills. As for English, I'd suggest some basic course for you, since it took two post for you to have a clue as to what I might be saying* and I'm sure from soo many of your previous post you still don't know what I was saying or how to make use of it. G I had an engineer like you, once. He could spout technical data all day long ..... never could teach him to tie his shoe laces or hold a hammer at the correct end. Shen shen, you were told to never post here in English. Use ONLY your native language. English is beyond you. what you _tried_ to post below has been said repeatedly by me going back three years on this very subject. **NO** English, schlackoff. No English. |
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schlackoff, NO English posts from you. Use your native language ONLY. English
is beyond you. I see, jaxass is quickly approaching "return to the funny farm" time. He can't even remember who he's talking to over the short length of his post (twice you've done this in the last week, jaxass). Jax, the only thing you've done in regards to the Gulf Stream, is post some links and tell us all how you could never find it in your rare crewing jobs when rounding Hatteras. You've never mentioned the "main axis", "West wall" or any basic precepts about crossing, following, or avoiding the stream except to give your famous "URL" and say "hey .... here it is". It has become a given, that you have little if any basic navigation skills and even less experience, yet for some stupid reason, you believe that since you can point out some url's and have visited a bunch of boat shows and read some books, that you are an expert on any and every subject. Jax, you've visited the Gulf Stream at one spot ... Hatteras .... and you couldn't find it ..... nuff said about your assumed knowledge and skills. As for English, I'd suggest some basic course for you, since it took two post for you to have a clue as to what I might be saying* and I'm sure from soo many of your previous post you still don't know what I was saying or how to make use of it. G I had an engineer like you, once. He could spout technical data all day long ..... never could teach him to tie his shoe laces or hold a hammer at the correct end. Shen shen, you were told to never post here in English. Use ONLY your native language. English is beyond you. what you _tried_ to post below has been said repeatedly by me going back three years on this very subject. **NO** English, schlackoff. No English. |
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Stay with the tour, J, and try not to repeat your twitticisms more
than once per insult thread. You're turning into a cautionary tale about using aluminum cookware in a salt water environment. Either that or those Speedos you fancy are cutting off the blood to your head, meaning you grasp even less about the bloodstream than the Gulf Stream. English enough for ya? R. On 22 Mar 2004 03:36:35 GMT, (JAXAshby) wrote: schlackoff, NO English posts from you. Use your native language ONLY. English is beyond you. shen, you were told to never post here in English. Use ONLY your native language. English is beyond you. what you _tried_ to post below has been said repeatedly by me going back three years on this very subject. **NO** English, schlackoff. No English. |
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