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What's the best boat gun to have.
What should I look for in a good boat gun (Pistol & Rifles). Should you declare you have weapons aboard or just have a good stash spot for overseas cruising? Please no Wilbur answers. I'm looking for real knowledge and practical experience, not wanna-be advice. Fred |
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On May 29, 10:26*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote: Get a 12 ga pump or semiauto shotgun. Mossberg made one specially for boats, all stainless. Many places where the shotgun is ok if declared take a dim view of pistols. So show the shotgun, and hide the pistol really really well. Or don't have one. Casady Agreed......... 12 ga pump 18" barrel, use #4 shot or goose shot. No need for the 3" mag or 00/buck. Big pattern , easy to mover wepon around confined areas, and wont put too may leaks in your boat or kill the friendly on the other side of the bulk head. USMC adopted a newer auto loader shotgun. Check that out for ball dragging effect. Or go to discount store and get a Rem 870 for $200. Bob |
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wrote in message ... What's the best boat gun to have. What should I look for in a good boat gun (Pistol & Rifles). Should you declare you have weapons aboard or just have a good stash spot for overseas cruising? Please no Wilbur answers. I'm looking for real knowledge and practical experience, not wanna-be advice. Fred Again with the stupid questions. Any time some Rube asks what's the *best* anything it indicates to me they are too stupid to understand that there is no such thing as *best* for every situation. There can only be a best for specific situations. For example, if you wished to ward off a small pirate vessel that was approaching you a 50 caliper sniper rifle would be the best by virtue of the fact that you could hit them before they could likely get in range to hit you unless they were similarly armed or had a 50 caliber machine gun mounted on deck. An Exocet missile would be your only hope in that case. And, if you are in a close quarters situation a 12 gauge shotgun would probably be best to repel boarders. But watch the stays and shrouds! And a pistol would be best to keep near your berth to blow away boarders who happened to have gotten into your accommodation. So, as you can see, you must first evaluate your cruising grounds and then ship the appropriate weapon(s) for those situation most likely to eventuate. Myself, I ship a fully automatic Kalishnakov and long banana magazines, a 12 gauge, double barreled, sawed off but legal length shotgun, a 357 magnum revolver with alternate snake shot and jacketed hollowpoint rounds, and a 50 caliper sniper rifle with night scope and range finder/computer for windage and autoheight for distance (windage) calibration. Given a steady platform I can blow an enemy's head off his shoulders at 1/2 mile distance. You've got to decide if you're a man first, though, before you ship the first gun. If you don't view a firearm as deadly force and deadly force only but as some "deterrent" (like a weenie liberal) then you'd best remain unarmed. If you decide to carry weapons do declare them but do have one pistol well hidden that you don't declare. But if you should have reason to use that hidden gun make sure you are in a place where you can get rid of any bodies. You don't want the authorities to know you were holding out on them. If they find out you were you can kiss your declared arsenal goodbye (and probably your freedom as well) as most countries require you to turn weapons over to the authorities for impoundment until you're ready to depart their port or country. I hope this helps. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wilbur Hubbard Allied Seawind 32, "Sea Isle" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Pump action 12g shot gun alternating between 00 buck (1st load) and slugs. For more distance, an good old bolt action Mauser. Both are simple, effective and should not cost too much. Forget the fancy 'boat guns'. Too tempting to be 'admired' by customs. Also forget the hand gun, if folks get that close it is another story anyway. Training and willingness to pull the tiger (as well as being able to know when the time is right and when it is not) is more important that the firearm. -al- |
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wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 May 2008 10:54:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: What's the best boat gun to have. What should I look for in a good boat gun (Pistol & Rifles). Should you declare you have weapons aboard or just have a good stash spot for overseas cruising? Please no Wilbur answers. I'm looking for real knowledge and practical experience, not wanna-be advice. Fred Where did you hide the guns on Red Cloud? Duh! Capt. Joe was skipper of the ill-fated, ill prepared, ill-sailed and ill-conceived pilothouse motor sailer, Red Cloud. Seven Seas Sinbad is posting from Miami Beach. That's a far cry from Texas. Ain't no way Joe could have gotten from Texas to Miami Beach unless he drove or flew. Ha ha ha ha! -- Gregory Hall |
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:45:17 GMT, Bruce in alaska
wrote: If you encounter Bad Guys who can get you from out passed 100 Yards, then your just out of luck anyway, and are going to have a Bad Day. Favorite pirate weapon is the AK47. It outranges a shotgun, but you can have a rifle as well, if either you or them can actually get any hits. If the sea is calm you might, but hitting is very hard if the boat is moving around. Expect to shoot at close range. Many serious pirates have RPG antitank rockets. Basically if they seriously come for you your ass is grass, or at least you will lose wallet, watch, handheld radios, the stuff they can easily grab. On the other hand, a few tracers in their general direction before they get close, and they might decide to call it a day. Weapons are a good idea, but you will probably be outnumbered and outgunned. The odds are on your side to not be bothered except in a few places. Stay out of the known pirate waters. And have at least a shotgun,.The good news is that you are likely to encounter fishermen, not really tough guys, grabbing an opportunity, and those can maybe be shot or scared off. Casady |
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On May 29, 1:12*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 29 May 2008 10:54:38 -0700 (PDT), wrote: What's the best boat gun to have. What should I look for in a good boat gun (Pistol & Rifles). Should you declare you have weapons aboard or just have a good stash spot for overseas cruising? Please no Wilbur answers. I'm looking for real knowledge and practical experience, not wanna-be advice. Fred Where did you hide the guns on Red Cloud? ? WTF Fred |
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What are you going to use the gun for? Recreation? Hunting? Utility? Killing people? |
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:44:21 -0700, "Whizbang McGurk"
wrote: What are you going to use the gun for? Recreation? 12 ga shotgun Hunting? 12 ga shotgun Utility? 12 ga shotgun Killing people? 12 ga shotgun. Any questions? Casady |
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:45:17 GMT, Bruce in alaska
wrote: you can always claim that the Shotgun, doubles as your Emergency Flare Launcher. If you encounter Bad Guys who can get you from out passed 100 Yards, then your just out of luck anyway, and are going to have a Be sure you have the flares. I carry a thrift shop five buck aluminum ballbat on the back seat floor. I also carry a two buck thrift shop softball which gives my lawyer something to work with, if some cop says it is a dangerous weapon. Hell, nearly anything is a better weapon than bare hands, and those are dangerous. Casady |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:44:21 -0700, "Whizbang McGurk" wrote: What are you going to use the gun for? Recreation? 12 ga shotgun Hunting? 12 ga shotgun Utility? 12 ga shotgun Killing people? 12 ga shotgun. Any questions? Casady 12 ga shotgun is very limited in range and due to the shell size, limited in firepower and very limited in accuracy. The 12 ga finds limited use. |
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 17:38:01 -0600, "Whizbang McGurk"
wrote: "Richard Casady" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:44:21 -0700, "Whizbang McGurk" wrote: What are you going to use the gun for? Recreation? 12 ga shotgun Hunting? 12 ga shotgun Utility? 12 ga shotgun Killing people? 12 ga shotgun. Any questions? Casady 12 ga shotgun is very limited in range and due to the shell size, limited in firepower and very limited in accuracy. The 12 ga finds limited use. I have a shotgun suitable for skeet, birds from quail to geese, deer, and people. They put one in every cop car instead of an automatic weapon, because they lack sufficient firepower? In Iowa shotguns are required for deer, and special slug barrels will group four inches at 100 yards.The most popular deer rifle will most often do little better.I don't call that seriously limited in accuracy. Anything over that range with a rifle calls for a nice steady support for the rifle, something unavailable at .sea. As for. firepower, nothing is deadlier at close range, and 8 shots is generally enough. If you think you can hit anything at even 100 yards with a rifle from a moving boat, you are probably deluded. A shotgun is powerful enough for lion at close range. Is that what you mean by lacking in firepower. One expert can put a pound of lead in the air in less than two seconds with a pump gun. He can shuck it faster than most autos cycle. The guy can break 8 clay targets hand thrown together, in less a second. Satterwhite is his name. The job calls for a fifty cal mg, actually. Hose the outboard on the pirate boat instead of just killing them all. Let those surviving the gunfire paddle two hundred miles to shore. Their boat is probably unsinkable although you might set it on fire. Be nice to make them swim a hundred miles or more. Toss them a gallon jug of water so they can fight over it. Then leave. If you call the cops maybe they will just do time. Casady |
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On May 29, 9:47 pm, "Whizbang McGurk" wrote:
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/DianaYang.shtml stick with the RV and jet ski..idiot |
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12 ga shotgun is very limited in range and due to the shell size, limited in firepower and very limited in accuracy. The 12 ga finds limited use. I carry a remington mariner with every third round a slug just in case you have to reach out and touch someone. I also carry a mini-14 folder but if you think about it... shooting at someone over 100 yards is not exactly self defense. With all the boats out there, I would bet if you put up a defense most pirates will find another vessel to steal. BTW... ALWAYS declare...I know someone whose AMMO count was a few bullets off and he was detained for a few hours in the bahamas |
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Sawed off, double barrelled 10ga shot gun with a rifled slug in one barrell and "00" buck shot in the other. Illegal as hell, but deadly in close quarters. Shoot first, forget to ask the questions. What's left probably can't answer them anyway. Lew |
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This request is not a joke. It is a very serious question to a very serious
issue. Piracy is very real, it is everywhere, even within our own home waters. The reasons may be drug related or simple theft, but the result can be as severe as loss of life. Now for you gunk holers that venture as far as the entrance of the bay, this information probably isn't much use, but for the serious long distance sailor see www.icc-ccs.org There you can request the latest report on Piracy from the IMO. It is very interesting reading. You will find advice as well, but firearms are not mentioned. Steve wrote in message ... What's the best boat gun to have. What should I look for in a good boat gun (Pistol & Rifles). Should you declare you have weapons aboard or just have a good stash spot for overseas cruising? Please no Wilbur answers. I'm looking for real knowledge and practical experience, not wanna-be advice. Fred |
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Steve Lusardi wrote:
This request is not a joke. It is a very serious question to a very serious issue. Piracy is very real, it is everywhere, even within our own home waters. The reasons may be drug related or simple theft, but the result can be as severe as loss of life. Now for you gunk holers that venture as far as the entrance of the bay, this information probably isn't much use, but for the serious long distance sailor see www.icc-ccs.org There you can request the latest report on Piracy from the IMO. It is very interesting reading. You will find advice as well, but firearms are not mentioned. Steve All incidents in the normal piracy areas. If you are gunkholing in Somalia, you may have a case! Gordon |
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On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:47:54 -0600, "Whizbang McGurk"
wrote: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/DianaYang.shtml Those are the ranges in every book and magazine and most gunshop gab. This stuff is no secret. There are tens of millions of shotguns around. I figured 60 yards for geese which are a big target. It is much less for quail. They are are small, requiring a dense pattern. Answer is many smaller shot bearing in mind that the smaller shot start out with less energy and lose it faster. I figure thirty yards for quail. Note that you use full choke for geese and something with a wider pattern for quail. I am a 25 yard shooter myself. In the case of pheasants, I spot them in a roadside ditch, sneak up to within five yards, and blow their heads to rags. Easy shot, like nailing a copter that took off one second beford. Let then get high enough for a nasty fall, Almost a motionless target. Same with the birds. The head and neck present a four inch target, same as skeet. Not that hard. I hunt in Iowa, by the way. People come from distant places to hunt the pheasants. If you have one of the special rifled slug barrels they recently invented, you can get 4 inch groups at 100 yards. Shotguns for deer are required in some places, including Iowa. Casady |
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On May 30, 5:10*am, wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2008 11:45:59 +0200, "Steve Lusardi" wrote: This request is not a joke. The Guy's boat is on the floor of the GOM with 4000 feet of water over it. If he needs a gun, it's probably so he can shoot himself for being so stupid. It is a very serious question to a very serious issue. Piracy is very real, it is everywhere, even within our own home waters. The reasons may be drug related or simple theft, but the result can be as severe as loss of life. Now for you gunk holers that venture as far as the entrance of the bay, this information probably isn't much use, but for the serious long distance sailor seewww.icc-ccs.org*There you can request the latest report on Piracy from the IMO. It is very interesting reading. You will find advice as well, but firearms are not mentioned. Steve wrote in message ... What's the best boat gun to have. What should I look for in a good boat gun (Pistol & Rifles). Should you declare you have weapons aboard or just have a good stash spot for overseas cruising? Please no Wilbur answers. I'm looking for real knowledge and practical experience, not wanna-be advice. Fred- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yo BB, Salty, Mike Manners, asshole. My name is Fred http://www.mikemanners.com/ Fred |
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:47:54 -0600, "Whizbang McGurk" wrote: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/DianaYang.shtml Those are the ranges in every book and magazine and most gunshop gab. This stuff is no secret. There are tens of millions of shotguns around. I figured 60 yards for geese which are a big target. It is much less for quail. They are are small, requiring a dense pattern. Answer is many smaller shot bearing in mind that the smaller shot start out with less energy and lose it faster. I figure thirty yards for quail. Note that you use full choke for geese and something with a wider pattern for quail. I am a 25 yard shooter myself. In the case of pheasants, I spot them in a roadside ditch, sneak up to within five yards, and blow their heads to rags. Easy shot, like nailing a copter that took off one second beford. Let then get high enough for a nasty fall, Almost a motionless target. Same with the birds. The head and neck present a four inch target, same as skeet. Not that hard. I hunt in Iowa, by the way. People come from distant places to hunt the pheasants. If you have one of the special rifled slug barrels they recently invented, you can get 4 inch groups at 100 yards. Shotguns for deer are required in some places, including Iowa. Casady I guess if someone wants to go deer hunting on their boat the shotgun is a fine choice. Suppose some marauders come at you underway and they have an AK-47 (7.62 x 39). Do you think a shotgun will hold them off? They could shot at you all day from 200 yds and you can't do a thing. The AK-47 is the preferred choice of pirates. A large capacity pistol is better in close quarters than a shotgun, that's why police use them as primary weapons. For longer ranges I prefer an autoloading .338 which I shot offhand remarkably well. I shoot grouse and ptarmigan with an RWS air rifle. One shot through the head does the trick. |
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:27:56 -0600, "JaxAshby"
wrote: For longer ranges I prefer an autoloading .338 which I shot offhand remarkably well. I shoot grouse and ptarmigan with an RWS air rifle. One shot through the head does the trick. Try standing in the back of a moving truck, off road, and see what you hit at longer ranges. What kind of boat do you plan to shoot pirates from, a cruise ship, a boxboat, or what. A former member of the Army team at Camp Perry, went to Africa, killed 92 head of big game with 93 shots, and took a rest every single time. This was one of the best offhand shots ever. If you are good offhand past a hundred yards you are certainly better than average. On opening day of deer season, you pick a good ambush spot and wait. The big city hunters will keep the deer moving, and you take your twenty five yard shot. Being a good shot offhand is fine, but you can usually find a steadier position. Askins did in Africa: 93shots for 92kills! Really knowing to shoot is better than not, but if you really know how to hunt, you can usually avoid difficult shooting. The best hunters prefer close and motionless. With a rest. The expert shooters mostly feel that way, just like the average shots Always use loaded dice and marked cards.. Casady |
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:27:56 -0600, "JaxAshby"
wrote: For longer ranges I prefer an autoloading .338 which I shot offhand remarkably well. I shoot grouse and ptarmigan with an RWS air rifle. One shot through the head does the trick. The Browning, I presume. Always wanted a .338 BAR. Just the gun for moose and large bears. Fine for deer and elk. Nothing but deer and small game in Iowa, and the law mandates shotguns for deer. No use locally for a big game rifle. Well, there is plinking to stay in practice for the out of state safaris. Casady |
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wrote in message ... On May 30, 5:10 am, wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 11:45:59 +0200, "Steve Lusardi" wrote: This request is not a joke. The Guy's boat is on the floor of the GOM with 4000 feet of water over it. If he needs a gun, it's probably so he can shoot himself for being so stupid. It is a very serious question to a very serious issue. Piracy is very real, it is everywhere, even within our own home waters. The reasons may be drug related or simple theft, but the result can be as severe as loss of life. Now for you gunk holers that venture as far as the entrance of the bay, this information probably isn't much use, but for the serious long distance sailor seewww.icc-ccs.org There you can request the latest report on Piracy from the IMO. It is very interesting reading. You will find advice as well, but firearms are not mentioned. Steve wrote in message ... What's the best boat gun to have. What should I look for in a good boat gun (Pistol & Rifles). Should you declare you have weapons aboard or just have a good stash spot for overseas cruising? Please no Wilbur answers. I'm looking for real knowledge and practical experience, not wanna-be advice. Fred- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yo BB, Salty, Mike Manners, asshole. My name is Fred http://www.mikemanners.com/ Fred You jerk. But that is some fairly impressive source code on that website, reflects well on the webmaster. |
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In article . com,
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: you a 50 caliper sniper rifle would be the best Only Wilbur, would buy a "50 caliper" firearm....... |
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On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:27:56 -0600, "JaxAshby"
wrote: They could shoot at you all day from 200 yds and you can't do a thing. The AK-47 is the preferred choice of pirates. At that range, they can shoot at you all day and not get a hit. The AK has the worst accuracy in its class, by the way. Casady |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 17:24:23 +0000, You wrote:
In article . com, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: you a 50 caliper sniper rifle would be the best Only Wilbur, would buy a "50 caliper" firearm....... don't you yankees have anything better to do than yap about guns? |
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In article ,
You wrote: In article . com, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: you a 50 caliper sniper rifle would be the best Only Wilbur, would buy a "50 caliper" firearm....... They say the legs are the first to go... -- Molesworth |
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 15:10:39 -0400, WaIIy wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:01:47 GMT, (Richard Casady) wrote: On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:27:56 -0600, "JaxAshby" wrote: They could shoot at you all day from 200 yds and you can't do a thing. The AK-47 is the preferred choice of pirates. At that range, they can shoot at you all day and not get a hit. The AK has the worst accuracy in its class, by the way. Casady Until you get hit, then it's pretty accurate. Of course, they might get lucky at any any range. Every week someone wins the powerball. And if they hit you at a thousand yards, the gun is still inaccurate. The M-16 is more accurate, but nobody hits anything at 200 yds from a moving boat with one of those, either. Casady |
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"mister b" wrote in message m... don't you yankees have anything better to do than yap about guns? That's how Capt Neal makes up for his shortcomings. |
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"mister b" wrote in message
m... On Sat, 31 May 2008 17:24:23 +0000, You wrote: In article . com, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: you a 50 caliper sniper rifle would be the best Only Wilbur, would buy a "50 caliper" firearm....... don't you yankees have anything better to do than yap about guns? Some of us cling to guns and religion... didn't you hear? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"JaxAshby" wrote in message ... "Richard Casady" wrote in message ... On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:47:54 -0600, "Whizbang McGurk" wrote: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/DianaYang.shtml Those are the ranges in every book and magazine and most gunshop gab. This stuff is no secret. There are tens of millions of shotguns around. I figured 60 yards for geese which are a big target. It is much less for quail. They are are small, requiring a dense pattern. Answer is many smaller shot bearing in mind that the smaller shot start out with less energy and lose it faster. I figure thirty yards for quail. Note that you use full choke for geese and something with a wider pattern for quail. I am a 25 yard shooter myself. In the case of pheasants, I spot them in a roadside ditch, sneak up to within five yards, and blow their heads to rags. Easy shot, like nailing a copter that took off one second beford. Let then get high enough for a nasty fall, Almost a motionless target. Same with the birds. The head and neck present a four inch target, same as skeet. Not that hard. I hunt in Iowa, by the way. People come from distant places to hunt the pheasants. If you have one of the special rifled slug barrels they recently invented, you can get 4 inch groups at 100 yards. Shotguns for deer are required in some places, including Iowa. Casady I guess if someone wants to go deer hunting on their boat the shotgun is a fine choice. Suppose some marauders come at you underway and they have an AK-47 (7.62 x 39). Do you think a shotgun will hold them off? They could shot at you all day from 200 yds and you can't do a thing. The AK-47 is the preferred choice of pirates. A large capacity pistol is better in close quarters than a shotgun, that's why police use them as primary weapons. For longer ranges I prefer an autoloading .338 which I shot offhand remarkably well. I shoot grouse and ptarmigan with an RWS air rifle. One shot through the head does the trick. The smaller the penis the bigger the gun . . . -- Gregory Hall |
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On May 29, 3:37*pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:45:17 GMT, Bruce in alaska wrote: If you encounter Bad Guys who can get you from out passed 100 Yards, then your just out of luck anyway, and are going to have a Bad Day. Favorite pirate weapon is the AK47. Arrrrrrr a pirate with 3 weapons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voeMq...eature=related Fred It outranges a shotgun, but you can have a rifle as well, if either you or them can actually get any hits. If the sea is calm you might, but hitting is very hard if the boat is moving around. Expect to shoot at close range. Many serious pirates have RPG antitank rockets. Basically if they seriously come for you your ass is grass, or at least you will lose wallet, watch, handheld radios, the stuff they can easily grab. On the other hand, a few tracers in their general direction before they get close, and they might decide to call it a day. Weapons are a good idea, but you will probably be outnumbered and outgunned. The odds are on your side to not be bothered except in a few places. Stay out of the known pirate waters. And have at least a shotgun,.The good news is that you are likely to encounter fishermen, not really tough guys, grabbing an opportunity, and those can maybe be shot or scared off. Casady |
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wrote in message ... On May 29, 3:37 pm, (Richard Casady) wrote: On Thu, 29 May 2008 19:45:17 GMT, Bruce in alaska wrote: If you encounter Bad Guys who can get you from out passed 100 Yards, then your just out of luck anyway, and are going to have a Bad Day. Favorite pirate weapon is the AK47. Arrrrrrr a pirate with 3 weapons http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voeMq...eature=related Fred This one is more instructional: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfUS8...eature=related |
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