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Pilothouse Sailboats Offer Superior Cruising
After several years of cruising with pilothouse and without I've
concluded that pilothouse sailing offers tremendous advantages over sailing in the raw. Here is what I have found: 1. Much less cockpit glare in a pilothouse - less fatigue, less sunburn, better visibility. 2. Better environment temperature and sun wise. Can sail for much longer periods comfortably. 3. Higher position allows for much better visibility. 4. Higher position allows for much greater "feel" of the boat. I can sail much better from a pilothouse. The sailtrim is easier to get right and its easier to detect wind and current changes. 5. Access to instrumentation is far superior, no clouded plexiglass covers. 6. Better airflow through the cockpit of a pilothouse. 7. No wacky tiller to deal with. The wife can't handle a tiller but is a champ on the wheel. 8. Great view of things going on up on the foredeck. You can see everything, rather than being down in a "hole". 9. Stuff can be stored out of the weather in the pilothouse. 10. Pets less likely to be washed overboard. 11. Greater protection in strong seas. 12. Excellent for entertaining and getting out of the bugs. I find a pilothouse sailboat just can't be beat for cruising and would encourage any serious cruiser to look at them before commiting to a cockpit boat. Ron Heron S/V Seven C's Biloxi, MS |
Pilothouse Sailboats Offer Superior Cruising
"Ron Heron" wrote in message ... After several years of cruising with pilothouse and without I've concluded that pilothouse sailing offers tremendous advantages over sailing in the raw. Here is what I have found: 1. Much less cockpit glare in a pilothouse - less fatigue, less sunburn, better visibility. 2. Better environment temperature and sun wise. Can sail for much longer periods comfortably. 3. Higher position allows for much better visibility. 4. Higher position allows for much greater "feel" of the boat. I can sail much better from a pilothouse. The sailtrim is easier to get right and its easier to detect wind and current changes. 5. Access to instrumentation is far superior, no clouded plexiglass covers. 6. Better airflow through the cockpit of a pilothouse. 7. No wacky tiller to deal with. The wife can't handle a tiller but is a champ on the wheel. 8. Great view of things going on up on the foredeck. You can see everything, rather than being down in a "hole". 9. Stuff can be stored out of the weather in the pilothouse. 10. Pets less likely to be washed overboard. 11. Greater protection in strong seas. 12. Excellent for entertaining and getting out of the bugs. I find a pilothouse sailboat just can't be beat for cruising and would encourage any serious cruiser to look at them before commiting to a cockpit boat. Ron Heron S/V Seven C's Biloxi, MS Must agree with most of that but I am not sure why you claim the airflow can be better in a pilothouse than in an open cockpit. Also, some pilot houses obstruct the view of the mainsail so not all will allow you to sail better, although you can certainly see how the foresail is doing. I have no doubt that Wilbur will shortly come back at you about your no. 11 and tell you what he thinks about pilot houses with their large windows. |
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On May 7, 6:37*am, Ron Heron wrote:
After several years of cruising Ron Heron S/V Seven C's Dear Green Heron: First off its not a Sailing Vessel (S/V) its a RECREATIONAL Yacht. Dont try to give it any more dignity than it deserves, which is little in my opinion. Next, no where in you list did you mention ANY feature that added to the STABILITY or SEAWORTHNESS of the boat. your list was all about keeping your lazy fat ass comfortable. Tell me where do you keep your Lazy Boy reclining chair and 42" flat screen? If you want a party barge go get one and enjoy yourself but PLEASE do not decieve yourself in thinking you have a boat capable of "cruising" or for that matter keeping you safe in anything where I opporate and we call typical conditions. Go back and review the adventures of RED CLOUD and how he faired in nothing more than snotty conditions. Bob |
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Bob wrote:
On May 7, 6:37 am, Ron Heron wrote: After several years of cruising Ron Heron S/V Seven C's Dear Green Heron: First off its not a Sailing Vessel (S/V) its a RECREATIONAL Yacht. Dont try to give it any more dignity than it deserves, which is little in my opinion. Next, no where in you list did you mention ANY feature that added to the STABILITY or SEAWORTHNESS of the boat. your list was all about keeping your lazy fat ass comfortable. Tell me where do you keep your Lazy Boy reclining chair and 42" flat screen? If you want a party barge go get one and enjoy yourself but PLEASE do not decieve yourself in thinking you have a boat capable of "cruising" or for that matter keeping you safe in anything where I opporate and we call typical conditions. Go back and review the adventures of RED CLOUD and how he faired in nothing more than snotty conditions. I'm a little disappointed Neil/Wilbur/Greg/......, I was sure you'd pen at least a dozen paragraphs of cockamamie tripe. Cheers Marty |
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"Edgar" wrote in message
... "Ron Heron" wrote in message ... After several years of cruising with pilothouse and without I've concluded that pilothouse sailing offers tremendous advantages over sailing in the raw. Here is what I have found: 1. Much less cockpit glare in a pilothouse - less fatigue, less sunburn, better visibility. 2. Better environment temperature and sun wise. Can sail for much longer periods comfortably. 3. Higher position allows for much better visibility. 4. Higher position allows for much greater "feel" of the boat. I can sail much better from a pilothouse. The sailtrim is easier to get right and its easier to detect wind and current changes. 5. Access to instrumentation is far superior, no clouded plexiglass covers. 6. Better airflow through the cockpit of a pilothouse. 7. No wacky tiller to deal with. The wife can't handle a tiller but is a champ on the wheel. 8. Great view of things going on up on the foredeck. You can see everything, rather than being down in a "hole". 9. Stuff can be stored out of the weather in the pilothouse. 10. Pets less likely to be washed overboard. 11. Greater protection in strong seas. 12. Excellent for entertaining and getting out of the bugs. I find a pilothouse sailboat just can't be beat for cruising and would encourage any serious cruiser to look at them before commiting to a cockpit boat. Ron Heron S/V Seven C's Biloxi, MS Must agree with most of that but I am not sure why you claim the airflow can be better in a pilothouse than in an open cockpit. Also, some pilot houses obstruct the view of the mainsail so not all will allow you to sail better, although you can certainly see how the foresail is doing. I have no doubt that Wilbur will shortly come back at you about your no. 11 and tell you what he thinks about pilot houses with their large windows. What about the issue of big windows with big waves? Seems like they would blow out; whereas, small portlights wouldn't. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Ron Heron" wrote
After several years of cruising with pilothouse and without I've concluded that pilothouse sailing offers tremendous advantages over sailing in the raw. Here is what I have found: 1. Much less cockpit glare in a pilothouse - less fatigue, less sunburn, better visibility. 2. Better environment temperature and sun wise. Can sail for much longer periods comfortably. 3. Higher position allows for much better visibility. Maybe you should get a flying bridge or tuna tower? Think of the visibility you'd have then! 4. Higher position allows for much greater "feel" of the boat. I can sail much better from a pilothouse. The sailtrim is easier to get right and its easier to detect wind and current changes. That is actually backwards from the way all the serious sailors in the world feel on the issue. When you see America's Cup boats putting the helmsman in raised pilothouses, you'll know that the attitude has changed. 5. Access to instrumentation is far superior, no clouded plexiglass covers. 6. Better airflow through the cockpit of a pilothouse. ?? ?? 7. No wacky tiller to deal with. The wife can't handle a tiller but is a champ on the wheel. That's nice, but has nothing to do with having a pilot house. 8. Great view of things going on up on the foredeck. You can see everything, rather than being down in a "hole". Again, nothing to do with the pilot house. There are many boats with good sight lines from the cockpit & helm. There are many boats with poor sight lines. Many pilot house vessels have poor sight lines from the helm. It's a question of choosing a boat that is well designed for actual use. 9. Stuff can be stored out of the weather in the pilothouse. 10. Pets less likely to be washed overboard. 11. Greater protection in strong seas. 12. Excellent for entertaining and getting out of the bugs. I find a pilothouse sailboat just can't be beat for cruising and would encourage any serious cruiser to look at them before commiting to a cockpit boat. Sounds good. I wouold encourage anybody u'a serious cruiser to consider some of the issues you've mentioned.... plus a lot of others. "Edgar" wrote: Must agree with most of that but I am not sure why you claim the airflow can be better in a pilothouse than in an open cockpit. me too. Also, some pilot houses obstruct the view of the mainsail so not all will allow you to sail better Some biminis & dodgers have the same problem. I have no doubt that Wilbur will shortly come back at you about your no. 11 and tell you what he thinks about pilot houses with their large windows. Wait... here he comes now.... On May 7, 11:49 am, Bob wrote: .... no where in you list did you mention ANY feature that added to the STABILITY or SEAWORTHNESS of the boat. You don't consider visibility & protection of helmsman a seaworthiness issue? My what a narrow view you have. If you want a party barge go get one and enjoy yourself but PLEASE do not decieve yourself in thinking you have a boat capable of "cruising" or for that matter keeping you safe in anything where I opporate and we call typical conditions. Must be nice to have been appointed the ultimate authority on how other people must sail & cruise. Is this an elected position, or did cronies in high places appoint you? Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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... On Wed, 7 May 2008 10:12:26 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Edgar" wrote in message ... "Ron Heron" wrote in message ... After several years of cruising with pilothouse and without I've concluded that pilothouse sailing offers tremendous advantages over sailing in the raw. Here is what I have found: 1. Much less cockpit glare in a pilothouse - less fatigue, less sunburn, better visibility. 2. Better environment temperature and sun wise. Can sail for much longer periods comfortably. 3. Higher position allows for much better visibility. 4. Higher position allows for much greater "feel" of the boat. I can sail much better from a pilothouse. The sailtrim is easier to get right and its easier to detect wind and current changes. 5. Access to instrumentation is far superior, no clouded plexiglass covers. 6. Better airflow through the cockpit of a pilothouse. 7. No wacky tiller to deal with. The wife can't handle a tiller but is a champ on the wheel. 8. Great view of things going on up on the foredeck. You can see everything, rather than being down in a "hole". 9. Stuff can be stored out of the weather in the pilothouse. 10. Pets less likely to be washed overboard. 11. Greater protection in strong seas. 12. Excellent for entertaining and getting out of the bugs. I find a pilothouse sailboat just can't be beat for cruising and would encourage any serious cruiser to look at them before commiting to a cockpit boat. Ron Heron S/V Seven C's Biloxi, MS Must agree with most of that but I am not sure why you claim the airflow can be better in a pilothouse than in an open cockpit. Also, some pilot houses obstruct the view of the mainsail so not all will allow you to sail better, although you can certainly see how the foresail is doing. I have no doubt that Wilbur will shortly come back at you about your no. 11 and tell you what he thinks about pilot houses with their large windows. What about the issue of big windows with big waves? Seems like they would blow out; whereas, small portlights wouldn't. Then again, an open cockpit starts out with even less protection from the elements. True, but that's not why I mentioned it. An open cockpit will not stop a wave, but if a portlight is destroyed, it might be a bigger problem. I'm not that familiar with pilothouse boats, but I would think that if the pilothouse section is compromised, there's not much that can be done. If a cockpit is awash, it'll drain (perhaps minus crew, but that's another issue). -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Pilothouse Sailboats Offer Superior Cruising
"Ron Heron" wrote in message ... After several years of cruising with pilothouse and without I've concluded that pilothouse sailing offers tremendous advantages over sailing in the raw. Here is what I have found: 1. Much less cockpit glare in a pilothouse - less fatigue, less sunburn, better visibility. 2. Better environment temperature and sun wise. Can sail for much longer periods comfortably. 3. Higher position allows for much better visibility. 4. Higher position allows for much greater "feel" of the boat. I can sail much better from a pilothouse. The sailtrim is easier to get right and its easier to detect wind and current changes. 5. Access to instrumentation is far superior, no clouded plexiglass covers. 6. Better airflow through the cockpit of a pilothouse. 7. No wacky tiller to deal with. The wife can't handle a tiller but is a champ on the wheel. 8. Great view of things going on up on the foredeck. You can see everything, rather than being down in a "hole". 9. Stuff can be stored out of the weather in the pilothouse. 10. Pets less likely to be washed overboard. 11. Greater protection in strong seas. 12. Excellent for entertaining and getting out of the bugs. I find a pilothouse sailboat just can't be beat for cruising and would encourage any serious cruiser to look at them before commiting to a cockpit boat. Ron Heron S/V Seven C's Biloxi, MS Sounds like the same rotten kettle of fish the captain of the ill-fated ketch, "Red Cloud" tried to sell the group in the months prior to his yacht being sunk in a Gulf cold front by water finding it's way below through blown out pilothouse windows. Wilbur Hubbard |
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On Wed, 7 May 2008 11:13:42 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: What about the issue of big windows with big waves? Seems like they would blow out; whereas, small portlights wouldn't. Then again, an open cockpit starts out with even less protection from the elements. True, but that's not why I mentioned it. An open cockpit will not stop a wave, but if a portlight is destroyed, it might be a bigger problem. I'm not that familiar with pilothouse boats, but I would think that if the pilothouse section is compromised, there's not much that can be done. If a cockpit is awash, it'll drain (perhaps minus crew, but that's another issue). During WWII the Queen Mary was in a North Atlantic gale with no big deal 30 to 40 foot waves. A freak wave broke the pilothouse windows 93 feet above sea level, and rolled her almost to the point of no return. Weak windows should not go far offshore. Casady |
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On Wed, 07 May 2008 20:16:23 +0000, Richard Casady wrote:
During WWII the Queen Mary was in a North Atlantic gale with no big deal 30 to 40 foot waves. A freak wave broke the pilothouse windows 93 feet above sea level, and rolled her almost to the point of no return. Weak windows should not go far offshore. Casady A broken porthole was also what sunk the Ocean Ranger. All hands lost. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_Ranger |
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Maybe you should get a flying bridge
Wayne.B wrote: Now we're talking. :-) I have actually seen a couple of megayacht sailing machines with flybridges over the last couple of years. Heck yeah. When you've got 150'+ of LOA to work with, you can put in all kind of stuff that won't fit on a smaller boat. It can even look pretty sleek. I'd kind of like to have a dinghy garage, with room for at least a half-dozen Lasers, a couple of Melges 24s, a 25~30' center console runabout, and a 30' IB commuter gig. Then, a hot tub on the foredeck (with a pushbutton retractable solid cover, of course). A gimballed (maybe gyro-stabilized) pool room. A boat with room for all that, who's gonna notice the flying bridge? DSK |
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On May 8, 2:41*am, wrote:
Yes, most sailors want to be as far away and removed from the water as possible. Twenty miles inland is their favorite place of all. You see we do share common gound. I agree completly! I am amazed at how many (I wont use the wrord "sailor") people on boats could care less about the water. In fact as the OP here describes the advantages of insulating the operator from the sea... to seperate from the sea.. Even the guy on the Red Clown was described in the media as "...terrified of getting in the water..." It gets better. When I attended DIvers Institute of Technology (a 6 month comercial diver school in Seattle) two coonasses from LA couldnt even swim! Now why are you going to commercial dive school if you CANT SWIM?!?! So people here fill their boats with electronics and gadgets to protect themselvs from the sea and shelter them slvs in pilot houses and build fat bathtub boats for intertaining without regard to seakeeping ability. Its all about selling/marketing/profit to get people who dont like the ocean but want to llve the life of the rich an famos with the MOST important critera for boat selectoin is........ will I look cool drinking and eating. The problme is sometime they go to sea and get into small craft warnings and: Blame NOAA weather Killer storms and howling winds (really 8-12' seas 20-30K wind gusting to 38K) Curse e Do we still agree? Bob |
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On May 7, 10:49*am, Bob wrote:
On May 7, 6:37*am, Ron Heron wrote: After several years of cruising Ron Heron S/V Seven C's Dear Green Heron: First off its not a Sailing Vessel (S/V) its a RECREATIONAL Yacht. Dont try to give it any more dignity than it deserves, which is little in my opinion. Next, no where in you list did you mention ANY feature that added to the STABILITY or SEAWORTHNESS of the boat. your list was all about keeping your lazy fat ass comfortable. Tell me where do you keep your Lazy Boy reclining chair and 42" flat screen? If you want a party barge go get one and enjoy yourself but PLEASE do not decieve yourself in thinking you have a boat capable of "cruising" or for that matter keeping you safe in anything where I opporate and we call typical conditions. Go back and review the adventures of RED CLOUD and how he faired in nothing more than snotty conditions. Bob Hello Mr B, Ron's boat is a sailboat named Seven Sea's that is why he called it SV i think. Im new here lurking 4 awhile. I have a pilot house boat designed by Ted Hood. Do u know more about stability than Ted? What kind of boat do u have? Do u have any pics on-line? r u just another Wilbur,Greg,Cookla.Fran and Ollie sock actor this place reeks of. I read about Red Cloud in Soundings magazine. I use to sail the Great Lakes and 30-35 ft is a bit more than "snotty conditions". IIRC the Edmond Fitzgerald sank in less fierce seas. I can not wait to see your boat that handles closely spaced 30 ft waves with ease, well I can wait because you like wilbur for odvious reasons will remain hidden in shame behind your mommies skirt. It seems you and wilbur are self proclaimed experts, yet neither of you have any credibility at all. What's with that? Fred What do you call a man with no arm and no legs and no boat in the ocean? Bob |
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... On Thu, 8 May 2008 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT), Bob wrote: On May 8, 2:41 am, wrote: Yes, most sailors want to be as far away and removed from the water as possible. Twenty miles inland is their favorite place of all. You see we do share common gound. I agree completly! I am amazed at how many (I wont use the wrord "sailor") people on boats could care less about the water. In fact as the OP here describes the advantages of insulating the operator from the sea... to seperate from the sea.. Even the guy on the Red Clown was described in the media as "...terrified of getting in the water..." It gets better. When I attended DIvers Institute of Technology (a 6 month comercial diver school in Seattle) two coonasses from LA couldnt even swim! Now why are you going to commercial dive school if you CANT SWIM?!?! So people here fill their boats with electronics and gadgets to protect themselvs from the sea and shelter them slvs in pilot houses and build fat bathtub boats for intertaining without regard to seakeeping ability. Its all about selling/marketing/profit to get people who dont like the ocean but want to llve the life of the rich an famos with the MOST important critera for boat selectoin is........ will I look cool drinking and eating. The problme is sometime they go to sea and get into small craft warnings and: Blame NOAA weather Killer storms and howling winds (really 8-12' seas 20-30K wind gusting to 38K) Curse e Do we still agree? Bob NOAA weather predictions in my home waters are worse than useless. Threshold criteria for Small Craft Warnings (at least around here) are usually based on 5 foot or greater seas OR steady 25mph wind. Out here they're great... Small Craft Advisories almost every Summer day! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On May 8, 10:49*am, Dave wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2008 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT), Bob said: Yes, well I was trained as a diver too. But I try not to brag about it where it's not relevant to the discussion. I guess Ive been reading too many of Roger's posts and his constant self promotion and attempts at building credibility. Still that is no excuse. I appologize deeply for the reference to DIT. You are correct any true diver would not have mentioned it. I stand corrected and ashamed that I stooped so low. bob |
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On May 8, 3:02*pm, Bob wrote:
On May 8, 10:49*am, Dave wrote: On Thu, 8 May 2008 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT), Bob said: Yes, well I was trained as a diver too. But I try not to brag about it where it's not relevant to the discussion. I guess Ive been reading too many of Roger's posts and his constant self promotion and attempts at building credibility. Still that is no excuse. I appologize deeply for the reference to DIT. You are correct any true diver would not have mentioned it. I stand corrected and ashamed that I stooped so low. bob Next you will be claiming you were a SEAL. Keep it up Bob and maybe in 20-30 years you might get that credibility you are so desperately seeking. Way back when Bob dived he had his diving buddy's back covered. http://home.att.net/~crinaustin/Croc_files/image003.jpg Fred |
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On Thu, 8 May 2008 13:02:27 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote: On May 8, 10:49*am, Dave wrote: On Thu, 8 May 2008 09:52:14 -0700 (PDT), Bob said: Yes, well I was trained as a diver too. But I try not to brag about it where it's not relevant to the discussion. I guess Ive been reading too many of Roger's posts and his constant self promotion and attempts at building credibility. Still that is no excuse. I appologize deeply for the reference to DIT. You are correct any true diver would not have mentioned it. I stand corrected and ashamed that I stooped so low. I read that more people have died diving the wreck of the Andrea Doria than died when she sank. One guy takes an expedition to dive it once a year. He said 3% get killed. I gather it is pretty deep, for breathing air. I an not a diver, and don't know what the make of that. If you take those kinds of risks, you have about a fifty/fifty chance of getting away with it twenty times, if I pushed the right keys on the 'calculator that takes no prisoners', the HP 48. Are those guys danger junkies or what? Casady |
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On May 8, 2:13*pm, (Richard Casady) wrote:
Are those guys danger junkies or what? Casady Just SPORTS scuba enthusiasts. A real dive wouldnt go unless there was profit to gain. Then it would be oxyarc, C4, jet hose, and chain. |
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Ron Heron wrote:
After several years of cruising with pilothouse and without I've concluded that pilothouse sailing offers tremendous advantages over sailing in the raw. Here is what I have found: 1. Much less cockpit glare in a pilothouse - less fatigue, less sunburn, better visibility. 2. Better environment temperature and sun wise. Can sail for much longer periods comfortably. 3. Higher position allows for much better visibility. 4. Higher position allows for much greater "feel" of the boat. I can sail much better from a pilothouse. The sailtrim is easier to get right and its easier to detect wind and current changes. 5. Access to instrumentation is far superior, no clouded plexiglass covers. 6. Better airflow through the cockpit of a pilothouse. 7. No wacky tiller to deal with. The wife can't handle a tiller but is a champ on the wheel. 8. Great view of things going on up on the foredeck. You can see everything, rather than being down in a "hole". 9. Stuff can be stored out of the weather in the pilothouse. 10. Pets less likely to be washed overboard. 11. Greater protection in strong seas. 12. Excellent for entertaining and getting out of the bugs. I find a pilothouse sailboat just can't be beat for cruising and would encourage any serious cruiser to look at them before commiting to a cockpit boat. Ron Heron S/V Seven C's Biloxi, MS I sail on both a 50-foot Beneteau cruiser/racer, and a 65-foot pilothouse ketch, and you can keep your pilothouse boat. They are bloody awful to sail. Slow to respond to the helm, won't point, and require an engine the size of the QM2's to make any progress thru wind and waves. They are simply downwind flat-water cruisers with no propensity to seaworthiness. Dennis. |
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On Fri, 9 May 2008 09:24:21 +0100, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote: I sail on both a 50-foot Beneteau cruiser/racer, and a 65-foot pilothouse ketch, and you can keep your pilothouse boat. They are bloody awful to sail. Slow to respond to the helm, won't point, and require an engine the size of the QM2's to make any progress thru wind and waves. They are simply downwind flat-water cruisers with no propensity to seaworthiness. How exactly does the pilothouse affect all of those characteristics ? |
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"Bob" wrote
I guess Ive been reading too many of Roger's posts and his constant self promotion and attempts at building credibility. ??? "Roger Long" wrote: You really think that, if I was concerned about credibility, I would let my participation in this circus be recorded on servers all over the world? Why not, can't hurt your credibility *if* your statements are credible. .... You think hiding behind the Internet anonymously and just making cranky negative replies to other's posts is less obnoxious? Obnoxious is in the eye of the beholder. Wilber/Greg/Kneel® and the army of flonking sock puppets think that discussion forums on the internet are for their entertainment... come to think of it, a couple of other people have that attitude.... and they are threatened by the thought that there really are people who have knowledge, skills, experience... a real life. They prefer to believe that made-up BS is just as good as anything reality has to offer. This is why some regular & semi-regular posters here are special targets for abuse by Wilber et al. In fact I think Skip bugs him/them/ it the most, because despite not being an expert, Skip escaped the pull of internet non-reality and WENT a-cruising.... and Wilber/Greg/ Kneel® knows that he/she/it never will. It does remind me of a joke from my flying days though: Q. How do you tell who the private pilots are at a party? A. You don't. They tell you. And the loudmouth wanna-bees also tell you... indirectly but irrefutably.... and it ****es them off that you know when they're BSing ;) DSK |
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On Fri, 9 May 2008 14:02:44 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: "Bob" wrote I guess Ive been reading too many of Roger's posts and his constant self promotion and attempts at building credibility. You really think that, if I was concerned about credibility, I would let my participation in this circus be recorded on servers all over the world? I'm quite open about who I am, what I do, and what I've done. You think hiding behind the Internet anonymously and just making cranky negative replies to other's posts is less obnoxious? It does remind me of a joke from my flying days though: Q. How do you tell who the private pilots are at a party? A. You don't. They tell you. As Dizzy Dean once said, "It isn't bragging if you can do it." Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom) |
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On May 9, 3:57*pm, "Roger Long" wrote:
I think you missed the tongue in my cheek. *After (insert shameless self promotion of your choice here) I find the idea that I'm seeking credibility here rather amusing. Here comes the predictable self stroking................. Ahhh ah aha aa I've been cruising and crewing offshore since 1968 in boats from a 10 foot dinghy with a boom tent to a 385 foot Russian square rigger in the tail end of a hurricane but all my offshore time has been as crew. I've only once spent a full 24 hours underway in a vessel under my command. *I know enough from 4 decades on the water and nearly as much time professionally involved with boats to be completely aware that I don't yet have the knowledge and experience to undertake the kind of voyages that several regulars in this group have done and which I aspire to. That's one of the reasons I spend time here and wish there was more real discussion and knowledge sharing and less anonomyous sniping which is actually just a perverse form of credibility building. *Predicting that everyone will sink except, by implication, the poster is tiresome but it does make him look like a sage when someone actually does. Roger Long Good job Roger. Now where is that dirty sock to clean up the mess........ Bob |
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On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote: On May 9, 3:57*pm, "Roger Long" wrote: I think you missed the tongue in my cheek. *After (insert shameless self promotion of your choice here) I find the idea that I'm seeking credibility here rather amusing. Here comes the predictable self stroking................. Ahhh ah aha aa I've been cruising and crewing offshore since 1968 in boats from a 10 foot dinghy with a boom tent to a 385 foot Russian square rigger in the tail end of a hurricane but all my offshore time has been as crew. I've only once spent a full 24 hours underway in a vessel under my command. *I know enough from 4 decades on the water and nearly as much time professionally involved with boats to be completely aware that I don't yet have the knowledge and experience to undertake the kind of voyages that several regulars in this group have done and which I aspire to. That's one of the reasons I spend time here and wish there was more real discussion and knowledge sharing and less anonomyous sniping which is actually just a perverse form of credibility building. *Predicting that everyone will sink except, by implication, the poster is tiresome but it does make him look like a sage when someone actually does. Roger Long Good job Roger. Now where is that dirty sock to clean up the mess........ Bob Hey there Bull **** Bob. How about getting you skinny ass off this group. It isn't your's to complain about the denzens here. NO! It is mine, Mine, MINE! Out, Out, foul spot, begone. Wilber |
Pilothouse Sailboats Offer Superior Cruising
On May 9, 9:26*pm, Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2008 17:32:05 -0700 (PDT), Bob wrote: On May 9, 3:57*pm, "Roger Long" wrote: I think you missed the tongue in my cheek. *After (insert shameless self promotion of your choice here) I find the idea that I'm seeking credibility here rather amusing. Here comes the predictable self stroking................. Ahhh ah *aha aa I've been cruising and crewing offshore since 1968 in boats from a 10 foot dinghy with a boom tent to a 385 foot Russian square rigger in the tail end of a hurricane but all my offshore time has been as crew. I've only once spent a full 24 hours underway in a vessel under my command. *I know enough from 4 decades on the water and nearly as much time professionally involved with boats to be completely aware that I don't yet have the knowledge and experience to undertake the kind of voyages that several regulars in this group have done and which I aspire to. That's one of the reasons I spend time here and wish there was more real discussion and knowledge sharing and less anonomyous sniping which is actually just a perverse form of credibility building. *Predicting that everyone will sink except, by implication, the poster is tiresome but it does make him look like a sage when someone actually does. Roger Long Good job Roger. Now where is that dirty sock to clean up the mess........ Bob Hey there Bull **** Bob. How about getting you skinny ass off this group. It isn't your's to complain about the denzens here. NO! It is mine, Mine, MINE! Out, Out, foul spot, begone. Wilber- Hide quoted text - Heavens, Have I fouled WIlburs nest??? I applogize and will stop immediatly. Well, lets see...... what to do today instead of have an intelectual discussion here at RBC O yes, tear out my mast wiring conductors from the pannle to the step. split some 1 1/2" flex conduit and lay out a new run. Better lay in the sun for a bit and drink two porters...........and wish I had a swan 69 Hope ya have a good weekend Wilbur. So say, what part of the world do you tie up????? Bob |
Pilothouse Sailboats Offer Superior Cruising
On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:21:11 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote: Well, lets see...... what to do today instead of have an intelectual discussion here at RBC You could think about fixing your spell checker. |
Pilothouse Sailboats Offer Superior Cruising
Wilbur Hubbard wrote:
Out, Out, foul spot, begone. Pray tell dear Wilbur, just what foul deed are you feeling such pangs of guilt about? Oh, wait, you don't understand, never mind. Cheers Marty |
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Second, I have no dog in this since while I own an open cockpit sailboat, I appreciate the options that wheelhouse or pilothouse boats offer also. Third, I could see where a Pilothouse could have an "apparent" better airflow since solar gain is eliminated or substantially reduced making the environment seem cooler. Anyone ever sat in the shade? Fourth, according to the logic offered by some regarding the seaworthiness of a pilothouse, how do you feel about catamarans? Which have numerous large windows and high freeboard? Aren't they also considered "cruisers". Has anyone seen a Shannon Pilot 43? I think the designers there would assert that they are cruisers? As for Colregs related to hearing? Really? Crack a window.... Ron, I say enjoy your boat, it is yours after all, not Bob's or Willard's or anyone else's for that matter. Thank you for your insights and opinions. |
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You forgot to mention, added buoyancy that high up drastically improves ultimate stability, the equivalent, in the inverted position, of adding thousands of pounds of ballast to the keel. You also forgot to mention the reduced risk of the helmsman being washed overboard, or dying of exposure, or making mistakes due to the clouding of the mind caused by such exposure to the elements. There is no rule which says pilothouses or pilothouse windows must be large and fragile. I'm embarrassed that I spent so many foolish years in an open cockpit in bad weather, freezing my ass off, the equivalent of driving a pickup truck which can only be steered for the open box. I'll never go back to such masochistic self abuse. |
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