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Miami to BVI
Hiya folks.
Anybody done this trip? Any recommendations, cautions, stories? I'm wanting to take a sailboat with a crewmate from Florida to BVI via Abacos, along the islands. Any input appreciated. Cheers |
Miami to BVI
BeeRich wrote in news:602a69dc-7306-4afd-b4ec-
: Hiya folks. Anybody done this trip? Any recommendations, cautions, stories? I'm wanting to take a sailboat with a crewmate from Florida to BVI via Abacos, along the islands. Any input appreciated. Cheers Get Bruce Van Sant's "A Gentleman's Guide to Passages South" and read it. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
Miami to BVI
"BeeRich" wrote in message ... Hiya folks. Anybody done this trip? Any recommendations, cautions, stories? I'm wanting to take a sailboat with a crewmate from Florida to BVI via Abacos, along the islands. Any input appreciated. Cheers You won't get any valid input here. This group consists of pretenders and wannabes mostly of the small motor boat type. Few, if any, have been out of sight of land. No real sailor even attempts to do the route you've described. Why? Because it's all against the prevailing winds and currents. It can be done in a motorboat if you don't mind pounding day after day, week after week into wind and wave but a sailboat can't do it comfortably or at all. Somebody suggested reading "The Thorny Path." Don't bother! That book is a joke. It's all about waiting for periods of no wind and then using an engine to coastwise hop from port to port. Cuba plays a significant part in the route. Big engines an even greater part. No, forget about sailing from Miami to the BVIs via the Bahamas. It's unworkable. It's too long a slog to weather even for a well-found yacht such as my Swan 68. You might find yourself making good only fifty or so miles a day. What you need to do is take the "I-65 route." That is depart out of Miami and head northeast to east as the prevailing SE winds allow. Proceed on your course north of the Abacos chain (the Gulf Stream will assist your northerly progress) and keep going until you arrive at longitude 65w. (You will be close to Bermuda so if you wish to rest you might consider stopping there.) Then come about and turn south on a port tack and close haul or reach down to the BVIs. This should take you two to three weeks. Don't do it during hurricane season. Middle of May to middle of June is the time to go. Be sure you have a place to hide in the BVIs during hurricane season. Wilbur Hubbard Swan 68 |
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On May 5, 12:39*pm, Geoff Schultz wrote:
After I responsed, I realized that I should have asked an obvious (at least to me) question. *Are you planning on doing this soon? *Most people are thinking about getting their boats out of the hurricane box by this time of the season. *You're talking about heading into it. *Where are you going to leave it for hurricane season? Hi there. We are thinking of going down sometime between August and October. |
Miami to BVI
"BeeRich" wrote in message ... Hi there. We are thinking of going down sometime between August and October. What? Are you daft? That's a stupid thing to do. You're talking about the busiest part of the Atlantic hurricane season. You obviously haven't a clue. Stay home or take a cruise ship. You obviously aren't qualified to be out there sailing a small boat. -- Gregory Hall |
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On May 5, 1:11*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: Then how do you explain all the American boats I saw out of mainland USA when we were both in the Abacos and the Virgin Islands? What you need to do is take the "I-65 route." That is depart out of Miami and head northeast to east as the prevailing SE winds allow. Proceed on your course north of the Abacos chain (the Gulf Stream will assist your northerly progress) and keep going until you arrive at longitude 65w. *(You will be close to Bermuda so if you wish to rest you might consider stopping there.) Then come about and turn south on a port tack and close haul or reach down to the BVIs. This should take you two to three weeks. Don't do it during hurricane season. Middle of May to middle of June is the time to go. Be sure you have a place to hide in the BVIs during hurricane season. Wilbur Hubbard Swan 68 That is the route I am planning on taking. Abacos, along the top edge of the Bahamas, down Southeast towards Turks & Caicos, then bypassing DR and PR totally, right into USVI then BVI. You sure I can't stick close to the islands? Hitting Bermuda for the sake of a single tack, is a bit much. |
Miami to BVI
"BeeRich" wrote in message ... Then how do you explain all the American boats I saw out of mainland USA when we were both in the Abacos and the Virgin Islands? There is more than one way to get someplace other than the direct route as seen on a chart or map. There are many many yachts of US registry in the Bahamas and in the Virgins. That doesn't mean they all sailed there directly. Some of the motor boats maybe but sailboats - few, if any are foolish enough to attempt such a long slog against wind and current. Since you don't seem to realize this FACT it tells me you are totally unqualified to try such a thing. Forget it. That is the route I am planning on taking. Abacos, along the top edge of the Bahamas, down Southeast towards Turks & Caicos, then bypassing DR and PR totally, right into USVI then BVI. You sure I can't stick close to the islands? Hitting Bermuda for the sake of a single tack, is a bit much. You'd better CHANGE your stupid plans or you're going to end up dead. You are acting totally irrationally. You are acting like some stupid twit. You don't try what you are talking about in a sailboat even in the off-season and you are going to attempt it at the height of the hurricane season. You are an idiot! Typical of the fool who thinks sailing is something to do by brute force, without knowing the first thing about it, relying upon chance and good luck. Well, your brute force ain't squat compared to Mother Nature's brute force. And you're good luck will run out. You will probably die. WAKE UP! Wilbur Hubbard |
Miami to BVI
BeeRich wrote in
: On May 5, 12:39*pm, Geoff Schultz wrote: After I responsed, I realized that I should have asked an obvious (at least to me) question. *Are you planning on doing this soon? *Most people are thinking about getting their boats out of the hurricane box by this time of the season. *You're talking about heading into it. *Where are you going to leave it for hurricane season? Hi there. We are thinking of going down sometime between August and October. As several other people have commented, you're nuts if you want to leave from FL and go to the BVIs at that time of the year. You're dead center in the middle of hurricane season. What would happen of you got caught in one? Where you would go? Are you prepared to lose your boat and/or life? Most people are departing those waters for safer locations. If you said that you were thinking of leaving at the end of October, then I'd say that it's a reasonable trip. However, Aug-Oct is crazy. I know several people who have made this trip in sailboats, and while it isn't fun, it's doable. The Van Sant book that I mentioned earier is a very good guide. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
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BeeRich wrote in
: Note that I've done the reverse (down-wind) version of this trip. Please see my web site for info. I must admit that wasn't writing logs at that point in time, so the info is sketchy. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
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On May 5, 10:36*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: You will probably die. WAKE UP! Wilbur Hubbard My honored poster: I must completly disagree with your advice, The boater should follow his dream as did Skip & Lydia. After all whats so hard about sailing considering all the amazing technology availible today. Add to this the USCG is just a call away.. you know, sorta like a maritime On-Star. If their passion is there by all means they should follow their dream. Like the albatross that soars so will their hearts and soles soar to their destiny... their dream... their future.. their passion. Bob |
Miami to BVI
"Bob" wrote in message ... On May 5, 10:36 am, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: I must completly disagree with your advice, The boater should follow his dream as did Skip & Lydia. After all whats so hard about sailing considering all the amazing technology availible today. Add to this the USCG is just a call away.. you know, sorta like a maritime On-Star. If their passion is there by all means they should follow their dream. Like the albatross that soars so will their hearts and soles soar to their destiny... their dream... their future.. their passion. I hope BeeRich understands the farcical nature of your post but I doubt it. He or she sounds clueless to me. Just another self-made victim for the Coast Guard to practice their rescues on. Your comments are the exact pie-in-the sky, liberal, feel good sentiments that are the direct cause of "Red Cloud" being on the bottom of the Gulf after being abandoned in mildly-rough weather by her listen-to-nobody-with-experience captain. Funny how thoseliberal feel-good sentiments are so quickly abandoned when one becomes very frightened of losing one's life. But, no matter what you say or do there is a certain group of ignorant, stubborn losers who refuse to listen to sensible advice and *feel* they can buck the odds. Yah, right! May their bones rest in peace on the sea bottom. Wilbur Hubbard |
Miami to BVI
"BeeRich" wrote in message ... On May 5, 1:11 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Then how do you explain all the American boats I saw out of mainland USA when we were both in the Abacos and the Virgin Islands? What you need to do is take the "I-65 route." That is depart out of Miami and head northeast to east as the prevailing SE winds allow. Proceed on your course north of the Abacos chain (the Gulf Stream will assist your northerly progress) and keep going until you arrive at longitude 65w. (You will be close to Bermuda so if you wish to rest you might consider stopping there.) Then come about and turn south on a port tack and close haul or reach down to the BVIs. This should take you two to three weeks. Don't do it during hurricane season. Middle of May to middle of June is the time to go. Be sure you have a place to hide in the BVIs during hurricane season. Wilbur Hubbard Swan 68 That is the route I am planning on taking. Abacos, along the top edge of the Bahamas, down Southeast towards Turks & Caicos, then bypassing DR and PR totally, right into USVI then BVI. You sure I can't stick close to the islands? Hitting Bermuda for the sake of a single tack, is a bit much. I've got a buddy in the BVi who does deliveries. Might be a good idea to hire a 'professional captain' if this is your first time. |
Miami to BVI
On May 5, 11:49*am, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Bob" wrote in message Yah, right! *May their bones rest in peace on the sea bottom. Wilbur Hubbard Arggg......... ! They be whinning n makin excuses to Davy Jones soon...... Bob BTW Im a liberal Democrate |
Miami to BVI
On May 5, 7:46 am, BeeRich wrote:
Hiya folks. Anybody done this trip? Any recommendations, cautions, stories? I'm wanting to take a sailboat with a crewmate from Florida to BVI via Abacos, along the islands. Any input appreciated. Cheers Yes, this is doable. Yes, it is against the prevailing winds most of the time. Many have done it, I have done part of it. The secret is to have no schedule and to be willing to wait--sometimes for a week or more or even more yet--for the proper weather windows. The most common route is via the Exumas, Long Island and Mayaguana to Turks and Caicos, then to Dominican Republic, then Puerto Rico and finally the Virgins. A really good book to study for this trip is "The Gentleman's Guide to Passages South" by Bruce Van Sant. You can go directly to the Virgins from the Bahamas, but you need a really good weather window. Which ever route you choose, be prepared to motor or motorsail. Also, even though it is hurricane season, many people still sail. Hurricane holes do, but you have to plan carefully. Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely. |
Miami to BVI
"Peter" wrote in message ... Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely. And, why do you think that is? Doesn't it tell you something about the odds of success? And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about double that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing when one can travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a much shorter time via the sailors route I suggested? What has "sailing" come to these days when people totally disregard the sailing routes? Do they rely that much on their oversized motors? It just shows they aren't interested in sailing, have no concept of sailing and are uninformed dolts giving sailing a bad name. Wilbur Hubbard |
Miami to BVI
"Wilbur Hubbard" wrote in
anews.com: And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about double that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing when one can travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a much shorter time via the sailors route I suggested? Wilbur Hubbard The last time that I checked, the distance from Bermuda to the BVIs was about 800 nm. Glancing at a chart, I'd guess that it's about the same, or longer, from Miami to Bermuda, or a total of 1600+ NM. I didn't think that the thorny path was 1200 miles, and that's probably even a bit short with tacking, but it's definately not 2400 miles. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org |
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On May 5, 2:18*pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote:
"BeeRich" wrote in message ... Hi there. *We are thinking of going down sometime between August and October. What? Are you daft? That's a stupid thing to do. You're talking about the busiest part of the Atlantic hurricane season. *You obviously haven't a clue. Stay home or take a cruise ship. You obviously aren't qualified to be out there sailing a small boat. -- Gregory Hall For your reasons, there would be no sailboats in the Caribbean at any time, as they would be wiped out. Not every day is a hurricane, but perhaps you haven't noticed that. |
Miami to BVI
On May 5, 2:36*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "BeeRich" wrote in message ... Then how do you explain all the American boats I saw out of mainland USA when we were both in the Abacos and the Virgin Islands? There is more than one way to get someplace other than the direct route as seen on a chart or map. There are many many yachts of US registry in the Bahamas and in the Virgins. That doesn't mean they all sailed there directly. Some of the motor boats maybe but sailboats - few, if any are foolish enough to attempt such a long slog against wind and current. Since you don't seem to realize this FACT it tells me you are totally unqualified to try such a thing. Forget it. That is the route I am planning on taking. *Abacos, along the top edge of the Bahamas, down Southeast towards Turks & Caicos, then bypassing DR and PR totally, right into USVI then BVI. *You sure I can't stick close to the islands? *Hitting Bermuda for the sake of a single tack, is a bit much. You'd better CHANGE your stupid plans or you're going to end up dead. You are acting totally irrationally. You are acting like some stupid twit. You don't try what you are talking about in a sailboat even in the off-season and you are going to attempt it at the height of the hurricane season. You are an idiot! Typical of the fool who thinks sailing is something to do by brute force, without knowing the first thing about it, relying upon chance and good luck. Well, your brute force ain't squat compared to Mother Nature's brute force. And you're good luck will run out. You will probably die. WAKE UP! Wilbur Hubbard This coming from a guy that says everybody in a newsgroup has no experience, and he is the only person who does. Sounds like you need something to deal with your insecurity. Hey maybe I should just ride over on your boat, since it's the only one that can do it. And I do know something about it. I've been on boats for over 30 years now, probably longer than you. Reading the weather, isn't about chance. But I bet you think hurricanes form instantly. WAKE UP! |
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On May 5, 3:03*pm, Geoff Schultz wrote:
BeeRich wrote : On May 5, 12:39*pm, Geoff Schultz wrote: After I responsed, I realized that I should have asked an obvious (at least to me) question. *Are you planning on doing this soon? *Most people are thinking about getting their boats out of the hurricane box by this time of the season. *You're talking about heading into it. *Where are you going to leave it for hurricane season? Hi there. *We are thinking of going down sometime between August and October. As several other people have commented, you're nuts if you want to leave from FL and go to the BVIs at that time of the year. *You're dead center in the middle of hurricane season. *What would happen of you got caught in one? *Where you would go? *Are you prepared to lose your boat and/or life? Most people are departing those waters for safer locations. *If you said that you were thinking of leaving at the end of October, then I'd say that it's a reasonable trip. *However, Aug-Oct is crazy. I know several people who have made this trip in sailboats, and while it isn't fun, it's doable. *The Van Sant book that I mentioned earier is a very good guide. -- Geoffwww.GeoffSchultz.org It's the only time that is convenient, so that's the time that I am considering. I haven't made my mind up yet, as that's why I'm asking in here. The very indication that there is a book on this, means that it's something that's been done, and people are interested in doing it. And no, I don't plan on just walking out into a hurricane. And yes, I've been through hurricanes. But to say that all of the Caribbean and Florida is nothing but hurricanes that time of year, is just not true. So what about the people that you indicate are departing those waters? They must get caught in hurricanes. I guess they're all dead then? Of course not. Part of this thread is about finding a time for such a route. If it means waiting, then so be it. I look forward to finding that book, if I decide to do this. Cheers |
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On May 5, 3:49*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: But, no matter what you say or do there is a certain group of ignorant, stubborn losers who refuse to listen to sensible advice and *feel* they can buck the odds. Yah, right! *May their bones rest in peace on the sea bottom. Wilbur Hubbard Dear Wilbur, you moron. Get off your high horse and realize the world's waters are not yours. To say that nobody sails anywhere south of the Chesapeake during YOUR time of warning, is just a farce, like your posts. |
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"BeeRich" wrote in message ... On May 5, 2:18 pm, "Gregory Hall" wrote: "For your reasons, there would be no sailboats in the Caribbean at any time, as they would be wiped out. Not every day is a hurricane, but perhaps you haven't noticed that. But, YOU will certainly notice the day a hurricane approaches and strikes you someplace where there is little warning and even less shelter. But, please go ahead with your stupid plans. I, for one, will welcome your demise. There are way too many stupid people in the world as it is . . . It is my hope that you will not live to pass on your defective genes. -- Gregory Hall |
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On May 5, 4:10*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"BeeRich" wrote in message ... On May 5, 1:11 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: Then how do you explain all the American boats I saw out of mainland USA when we were both in the Abacos and the Virgin Islands? What you need to do is take the "I-65 route." That is depart out of Miami and head northeast to east as the prevailing SE winds allow. Proceed on your course north of the Abacos chain (the Gulf Stream will assist your northerly progress) and keep going until you arrive at longitude 65w. (You will be close to Bermuda so if you wish to rest you might consider stopping there.) Then come about and turn south on a port tack and close haul or reach down to the BVIs. This should take you two to three weeks. Don't do it during hurricane season. Middle of May to middle of June is the time to go. Be sure you have a place to hide in the BVIs during hurricane season. Wilbur Hubbard Swan 68 That is the route I am planning on taking. *Abacos, along the top edge of the Bahamas, down Southeast towards Turks & Caicos, then bypassing DR and PR totally, right into USVI then BVI. *You sure I can't stick close to the islands? *Hitting Bermuda for the sake of a single tack, is a bit much. I've got a buddy in the BVi who does deliveries. * Might be a good idea to hire a 'professional captain' if this is your first time. Wrong again, sunshine. |
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"BeeRich" wrote in message ... This coming from a guy that says everybody in a newsgroup has no experience, and he is the only person who does. Sounds like you need something to deal with your insecurity. Hey maybe I should just ride over on your boat, since it's the only one that can do it. Maybe you should just pull your head out of your arse! And I wouldn't let your like anywhere near my boat. You are an accident waiting to happen. And I do know something about it. I've been on boats for over 30 years now, probably longer than you. Reading the weather, isn't about chance. But I bet you think hurricanes form instantly. WAKE UP! And I bet you think your little old, let's see if I can guess it right, Hunter 33? can outrun a hurricane. Good luck! I don't think you have any idea of the distances or time involved. Wilbur Hubbard |
Miami to BVI
On May 5, 5:06*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: "Peter" wrote in message ... Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely. And, why do you think that is? Doesn't it tell you something about the odds of success? And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about double that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing when one can travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a much shorter time via the sailors route I suggested? What has "sailing" come to these days when people totally disregard the sailing routes? Do they rely that much on their oversized motors? It just shows they aren't interested in sailing, have no concept of sailing and are uninformed dolts giving sailing a bad name. Wilbur Hubbard Wow you really are misguided. How about this for an answer: Their itinerary dictates that they have a destination first, THEN carry on with fun sailing. And yes, today's boats allow for tacking, not worldwide adventure routes. Sailing has come to whatever people want sailing to be. And motorboats are a very valid way of boating. It's pompous boneheads like you that insult others that give sailing a bad name. |
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That's a poor reason for making sailing plans offshore. This methodology can
easily result in loss of life, boat, or both. Sure, people do all sorts of things, but that's not a valid reason for someone else doing it. If you decide to go anyway, you have to be doubly cautious about finding the right weather window. You're also going to have insurance coverage issues. "BeeRich" wrote in message ... On May 5, 3:03 pm, Geoff Schultz wrote: BeeRich wrote : On May 5, 12:39 pm, Geoff Schultz wrote: After I responsed, I realized that I should have asked an obvious (at least to me) question. Are you planning on doing this soon? Most people are thinking about getting their boats out of the hurricane box by this time of the season. You're talking about heading into it. Where are you going to leave it for hurricane season? Hi there. We are thinking of going down sometime between August and October. As several other people have commented, you're nuts if you want to leave from FL and go to the BVIs at that time of the year. You're dead center in the middle of hurricane season. What would happen of you got caught in one? Where you would go? Are you prepared to lose your boat and/or life? Most people are departing those waters for safer locations. If you said that you were thinking of leaving at the end of October, then I'd say that it's a reasonable trip. However, Aug-Oct is crazy. I know several people who have made this trip in sailboats, and while it isn't fun, it's doable. The Van Sant book that I mentioned earier is a very good guide. -- Geoffwww.GeoffSchultz.org It's the only time that is convenient, so that's the time that I am considering. I haven't made my mind up yet, as that's why I'm asking in here. The very indication that there is a book on this, means that it's something that's been done, and people are interested in doing it. And no, I don't plan on just walking out into a hurricane. And yes, I've been through hurricanes. But to say that all of the Caribbean and Florida is nothing but hurricanes that time of year, is just not true. So what about the people that you indicate are departing those waters? They must get caught in hurricanes. I guess they're all dead then? Of course not. Part of this thread is about finding a time for such a route. If it means waiting, then so be it. I look forward to finding that book, if I decide to do this. Cheers -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On May 5, 4:50*pm, Peter wrote:
On May 5, 7:46 am, BeeRich wrote: Hiya folks. Anybody done this trip? *Any recommendations, cautions, stories? *I'm wanting to take a sailboat with a crewmate from Florida to BVI via Abacos, along the islands. Any input appreciated. Cheers Yes, this is doable. *Yes, it is against the prevailing winds most of the time. *Many have done it, I have done part of it. *The secret is to have no schedule and to be willing to wait--sometimes for a week or more or even more yet--for the proper weather windows. *The most common route is via the Exumas, Long Island and Mayaguana to Turks and Caicos, then to Dominican Republic, then Puerto Rico and finally the Virgins. *A really good book to study for this trip is "The Gentleman's Guide to Passages South" by Bruce Van Sant. *You can go directly to the Virgins from the Bahamas, but you need a really good weather window. *Which ever route you choose, be prepared to motor or motorsail. *Also, even though it is hurricane season, many people still sail. *Hurricane holes do, but you have to plan carefully. Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely. Ah, someone with some experience. Thank you for the post. The outer Abacos to begin with, then the route you suggest. I wasn't sure about DR and PR, so I was thinking maybe a close route, but avoiding those islands altogether. We have no hard schedule, and obviously we are secondary to favourable weather. I thought that was usually the case. Our goal is to get to BVI then settle down and then take some time out for some alternate visits, but returning to BVI or USVI. I just remember it being a good location to base out of, so it's our primary destination as it stands. |
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On May 5, 6:10*pm, "Capt. JG" wrote:
That's a poor reason for making sailing plans offshore. This methodology can easily result in loss of life, boat, or both. Sure, people do all sorts of things, but that's not a valid reason for someone else doing it. If you decide to go anyway, you have to be doubly cautious about finding the right weather window. You're also going to have insurance coverage issues. No it was a beginning. Not knowing when the hurricane season is, and how strong it is predicted to be this year, is indeed a beginning. Other things in our lives are taking precedence, which have lead us to this point in time. And yes, sailing does take less priority over the health of our families. So we just conveniently found ourselves at this time. If it's packed with hurricanes, then we delay the launch, that's all. |
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"Geoff Schultz" wrote in message .. . I didn't think that the thorny path was 1200 miles, and that's probably even a bit short with tacking, but it's definately not 2400 miles. -- Geoff www.GeoffSchultz.org Last time I checked it was about 1200 miles as the crow flies from Miami to the BVIs. Now when you consider it's a beat the whole way because of the prevailing winds aggravated by a current setting against you, just do the math. I didn't say it would end up being 2400 miles but it's probably going to be 1800 all told. So what would you prefer to do. Slog to weather against prevailing winds and adverse current for 1800 miles or close reach and reach about the same distance via the sailing route. If you're a sailor you'll chose the latter. If you're an ignorant putz like ReeBitch you'll choose the former and during the peak of hurricane season to boot, fully believing in luck and your ability to foresee the weather signs and outrun the hurricane to some dubious shelter. Even Capt. Skippy isn't THAT stupid! Wilbur Hubbard |
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"BeeRich" wrote in message ... Dear Wilbur, you moron. Get off your high horse and realize the world's waters are not yours. To say that nobody sails anywhere south of the Chesapeake during YOUR time of warning, is just a farce, like your posts. Get of your "ignorant" horse and listen to those who know something about the folly of your intended actions. You're welcome to the world's waters but they'll be your grave for all eternity if you don't change your uppity attitude that's clearly based upon abject ignorance and arrogant stupidity. You don't even know the basic information as to the Atlantic hurricane season. You don't seem to understand the distances and time involved in sailing to the BVIs. You seem to think you can stay close to land and run for shelter. You have no clue as to storm speeds, storm changes in direction or likely paths. I bet you have never even heard of the term "recurve." You are just some stupid lubber with dreams that are sure to turn into a nightmare if you don't become more educated and less like some ignorant stubborn little girl. Yah right. Just pick a time because it fits your lubberly schedule. Don't plan a voyage around winds and currents and tropical storms. Nah, mariners don't need to do that anymore. We have technology and we have satellites to predict the weather. We can put our motors in gear and outrun anything. Just disregard everything about the environment into which you plan to place yourself irrevocably. Yes, that's the ticket. What a twit! Wilbur Hubbard |
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"BeeRich" wrote in message ... On May 5, 4:10 pm, "Don White" wrote: I've got a buddy in the BVi who does deliveries. Might be a good idea to hire a 'professional captain' if this is your first time. Wrong again, sunshine. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You don't think it's a good idea to have someone along who has experience sailing this area... or you don't want to pay for their expertice? |
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You know, Wilbur, I haven't posted very often on this forum, but I
have read a good many of the posts. If the number of miles you have sailed equalled even half the number of negative posts that you have posted, you might have a tad of credibility. I am sick of reading your foolish trash. To respond to your ridiculous question, no it doesn't tell me anyting about my personal odds for success. The fact is that of those who sail in the Caribbean during hurricane season, only a minority encounter any problems. As a matter of fact, I have sailed in the Caribbean during hurrican season and intend to do so again this year. The pontifications of armchair sailors like yourself do not contribute anything to the discussion. On May 5, 4:06*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Peter" wrote in message ... Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely. And, why do you think that is? Doesn't it tell you something about the odds of success? And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about double that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing when one can travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a much shorter time via the sailors route I suggested? What has "sailing" come to these days when people totally disregard the sailing routes? Do they rely that much on their oversized motors? It just shows they aren't interested in sailing, have no concept of sailing and are uninformed dolts giving sailing a bad name. Wilbur Hubbard |
Miami to BVI
On May 5, 5:09*pm, BeeRich wrote:
On May 5, 5:06*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Peter" wrote in message ... Needless to say, your insurance company will either charge an arm and a leg to endorse your your boat or will cancel entirely. And, why do you think that is? Doesn't it tell you something about the odds of success? And even if one does succeed, is slogging 1200 miles (probably about double that considering it's all a beat) to weather really sailing when one can travel half again that far and do it comfortably and in a much shorter time via the sailors route I suggested? What has "sailing" come to these days when people totally disregard the sailing routes? Do they rely that much on their oversized motors? It just shows they aren't interested in sailing, have no concept of sailing and are uninformed dolts giving sailing a bad name. Wilbur Hubbard Wow you really are misguided. *How about this for an answer: *Their itinerary dictates that they have a destination first, THEN carry on with fun sailing. *And yes, today's boats allow for tacking, not worldwide adventure routes. *Sailing has come to whatever people want sailing to be. *And motorboats are a very valid way of boating. *It's pompous boneheads like you that insult others that give sailing a bad name.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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"BeeRich" wrote in message
... On May 5, 6:10 pm, "Capt. JG" wrote: That's a poor reason for making sailing plans offshore. This methodology can easily result in loss of life, boat, or both. Sure, people do all sorts of things, but that's not a valid reason for someone else doing it. If you decide to go anyway, you have to be doubly cautious about finding the right weather window. You're also going to have insurance coverage issues. No it was a beginning. Not knowing when the hurricane season is, and how strong it is predicted to be this year, is indeed a beginning. Other things in our lives are taking precedence, which have lead us to this point in time. And yes, sailing does take less priority over the health of our families. So we just conveniently found ourselves at this time. If it's packed with hurricanes, then we delay the launch, that's all. That's good to know! Nothing wrong with a strawman proposal... -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Miami to BVI
On Mon, 5 May 2008 14:56:01 -0700 (PDT), BeeRich
wrote: Part of this thread is about finding a time for such a route. If it means waiting, then so be it. I look forward to finding that book, if I decide to do this. By all means, read the book and then re-read it a few times. Get a set of charts and follow aong with the book as you evaluate different routes. One more piece of advice: Don't even think about going during hurricane season. Once you get out there, there is no place to hide, and once you get there, there is no place to hide. Bad idea. |
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On 2008-05-05 14:18:12 -0400, "Gregory Hall" said:
What? Are you daft? That's a stupid thing to do. You're talking about the busiest part of the Atlantic hurricane season. You obviously haven't a clue. Stay home or take a cruise ship. You obviously aren't qualified to be out there sailing a small boat. I find this to be over the top. The BVI experience fewer storms than Long Island, yet few will warn against sailing in LIS in season. As long as the OP pays attention to local weather, they'll be just fine. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Miami to BVI
On Tue, 06 May 2008 11:31:50 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:
As long as the OP pays attention to local weather, they'll be just fine. Bad advice Jere. LIS experiences very few hurricanes, about the same frequency as the Chesapeake. The area in question by our intrepid cruise planner experiences multiple hurricanes every season. He is talking about sailing hundreds of miles off shore in a sailboat with no time or opportunity to seek shelter. |
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On May 6, 3:31*am, Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-05-05 14:18:12 -0400, "Gregory Hall" said: What? Are you daft? That's a stupid thing to do. You're talking about the busiest part of the Atlantic hurricane season. *You obviously haven't a clue. Stay home or take a cruise ship. You obviously aren't qualified to be out there sailing a small boat. Good advice ! Although Ive never sailed that area. My experince is limitted to the Pacific and GOM on OSVs but that dont count. I find this to be over the top. Hmm not really The BVI experience fewer storms than Long Island, yet few will warn against sailing in LIS in season. Thats because your sailing in the shallow end of the pool. try the deep end. diffrent rules there. As long as the OP pays attention to local weather, they'll be just fine. Jere Lull Now this has got to be chissled on the Head Stone. When I was learning how to fly on the Oregon coast at age 15 and soloed on my 16th birthday (using Rogers shamless self promotion) the old guys used a term to describe a typicall weather pattern. they called it a: SUCKER HOLE. That nice bit of weather inbetwen fronts that would close in behind ya with NO place to go. Same thing happens to small boats that can not handle Small Craft Warnings OR inexperinced/incappable operators. "...Oh, the weather report looks nice for the next 3 days..." and out they. I recomend continuing your BAY sailing.................... Bob |
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"Peter" wrote in message ... You know, Wilbur, I haven't posted very often on this forum, but I have read a good many of the posts. If the number of miles you have sailed equalled even half the number of negative posts that you have posted, you might have a tad of credibility. I am sick of reading your foolish trash. To respond to your ridiculous question, no it doesn't tell me anyting about my personal odds for success. The fact is that of those who sail in the Caribbean during hurricane season, only a minority encounter any problems. As a matter of fact, I have sailed in the Caribbean during hurrican season and intend to do so again this year. The pontifications of armchair sailors like yourself do not contribute anything to the discussion. And therein lies the difference between you and me and ReeBitch. 1) You apparently have some offshore sailing experience in the area in question. ReeBitch has none. 2) You apparently have some awareness of the danger of tropical storms and the time of the year of hurricane season. ReeBitch wasn't even aware of hurricane season and the frequency of hurricanes during peak months of that season. 3) You are somewhat seasoned while ReeBitch has never sailed offshore. Lake sailor at best. 4) You probably have a seaworthy vessel. ReeBitch has a small Hunter or similar cheap, coastal only boat. 5) You don't sail on a schedule since you're experienced enough to know it doesn't work. ReeBitch's main planning point is to schedule around a land based itinerary. 6) I've been cruising and have lived aboard since 1985. I have more time and miles aboard my boat than the combined total of so-called sailors in this group. I know of which I speak. I have experienced aboard my yacht more hurricanes than the lot of you put together. (Try a total of 28 tropical storms and hurricanes each and every one with no or minor damage - and none of them offshore where I would have died). Unlike ReeBitch I have a very good grasp of the time and distances of what might look like a hop, skip and a jump such as from Miami to BVI. I know it is anything but. Many lubbers like ReeBitch have a lubbers idea of distance. They judge distances by how far they can drive in a day. "Why," they yammer, "1200 miles ain't nothing. That's only two days driving." Little do they realize that against wind and current they will be lucky to cover 50 miles toward their destination in a 24 hour period. That turns a 1200 mile sailing trip into a 24 day ordeal and that's if the boat doesn't break which it likely will. Offshore voyagers rarely subject their vessels to such abuse and their vessels are probably ten times as stout as some Hunter type. And if they stop and wait for "weather windows" that don't occur during the time of the year they wish to travel their 24 day ordeal will likely turn into a six month debacle. There are very few weather windows in the Trades in the summer. About the only thing that turns the prevailing winds is a hurricane. Do you "work" hurricanes? Do you suggest others try it? I doubt it. So try to consider that ReeBitch is a rank, ignorant, novice who is totally clueless when it comes to offshore voyaging. You've heard the sad saga of the captain and crew of the "Red Cloud" no doubt. The captain had years of offshore experience or so he claimed. But, he was done in by a little ole cold front in the Gulf of Mexico that had sustained winds of only 45-50 or so knots. And you think lamers like ReeBitch have any chance of success at all voyaging hundreds of miles offshore at the height of hurricane season in a flimsy Hunter? Why do you encourage such irresponsible behavior? Wilbur Hubbard |
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