On Sat, 10 May 2008 09:30:53 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

A friend told me the other day, "the hardest sailing maneuver to learn
is staying tied to the dock. The 2nd hardest is the early 180-degree
turn."

The fliers have a word for it: Get-home-itis. It's a common foolkiller
in that field. The sky is even less forgiving than the sea.

Casady

On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:13:17 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

pinipeds, a heated topic in the Columbia River
this last week.

That would be salmon eating seals?

Casady

On May 10, 10:21*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:13:17 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

pinipeds, a heated topic in the Columbia River
this last week.

That would be salmon eating seals?

Casady

Yup........ the more common name is California Sea Lion. but seal will
work too.
A few sorta turned up dead just down stream of the Bonnie vill locks.

I dont know what the big deal is bout some salmon eating sea dogs.
Heck they were here eating salmon w a y b4 everyone started gettin so
uptight bout salmon. In fact early 1900s Columbia salmon were the
largest in the world AND had masive harbor seal and sea lion
populations. Seemed like there were enough salmon for pinipeds and
people then. Somthin musta happened. Humm I wonder whats diffrent now
Bob

Bob wrote:
On May 10, 10:21 am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:13:17 -0700 (PDT), Bob
wrote:

pinipeds, a heated topic in the Columbia River
this last week.
That would be salmon eating seals?

Casady

Yup........ the more common name is California Sea Lion. but seal will
work too.
A few sorta turned up dead just down stream of the Bonnie vill locks.

I dont know what the big deal is bout some salmon eating sea dogs.
Heck they were here eating salmon w a y b4 everyone started gettin so
uptight bout salmon. In fact early 1900s Columbia salmon were the
largest in the world AND had masive harbor seal and sea lion
populations. Seemed like there were enough salmon for pinipeds and
people then. Somthin musta happened. Humm I wonder whats diffrent now
Bob


Actually, there use to be bounty on the critters and whether or not
you collected the bounty, it was always open season. In fact it still is
in the open sea.
When they became protected, the numbers shot up to where there is no
longer enough food to go around and the critters are going up rivers
such as the Lewis where they have never been seen before.
They are also destroying the herring runs in Puget Sound. Adult,
spawner herring gather in certain areas before spawning and the
pinnepeds are devastating them. Course, less herring, less salmon.
Less salmon, even hungrier pinnipeds.
Believe it or not, in lower Puget Sound, the majority of their food
intake is sculpins.
It's kinda like the reintroduction of wolves. All of a sudden they are
everywhere. Wyoming now has an unrestricted hunt for em. Need the same
for the pinnepeds, at least to make the numbers manageable.
The one bright light is that it is inevitable that disease will hit and
wipe out the weakest.
Yeah, I use to be on the Pacific Fisheries Council and have studied
all the background material.
I also know its hard to go up against pictures of cuddly white seal
pups being clubbed for their fur.
Course, as far as salmon go, the nylon curtains are tough to get by also.
Gordon

On May 10, 7:36*pm, Gordon wrote:

Hi Gordon:

Are you LDS?

But back to fish.........

* Actually, there use to be bounty on the critters and whether or not
you collected the bounty, it was always open season. In fact it still is
in the open sea.

What ya mean by "open sea" I know the Marine Mamal Protection Act
covers out to the FCZ or whats called the EEZ now basically 200 mile
out..

But are yo saying the high seas ...? Hum I thing the International
Whalling Commission (IWC) may have some opinion on that. but not
shure.


* *When they became protected,

That would be 1972 for the MMPA

the numbers shot up to where there is no
longer enough food to go around and the critters are going up rivers
such as the Lewis where they have never been seen before.

Well Im not sure bout the never been b4. Maybe since the white man
been around....


* *They are also destroying the herring runs in Puget Sound. Adult,
spawner herring gather in certain areas before spawning and the
pinnepeds are devastating them.

Yup sorta like the Pollock A season in the Berring, since you were on
the council ya remember the big deal about roe stripping in the 80s
and early 90s? Looks like seals wernt the only ones gorging and
ripping out hte bellies n just letting the rest of the fish float off.
Humm now who would do a thing like that?


Course, less herring, less salmon.
* Less salmon, even hungrier pinnipeds.
* Believe it or not, in lower Puget Sound, the majority of their food
intake is sculpins.

Cottidae ya mean bull heads??? i use to catch and sell bullheads to
the UnderSeas gardens for 5 cents each. made enough to buy a burger
basket and have five bucks in my pocket at the end of a saturday on a
nickle bullhead.


* It's kinda like the reintroduction of wolves. All of a sudden they are
everywhere.

Yes, and the problme is that we have ****ed up the habitat so much
they tend to adapt as do many top prdetors do.



Wyoming now has an unrestricted hunt for em. Need the same
for the pinnepeds, at least to make the numbers manageable.

Thats your opinion. I suggest doing thoes things that would increas
the salmon runs so the piniped predation is not a problme. but that
would mean telling the Klamath potato farmers, ranchers, home
builders, Pendelton wheat famers (Gordon Smilt R, OR) cattle ranchers,
Tidewater/Foss Tug, Umitilla nation, BPA, Enron/PGE, sprots anglers
and commercial fishers... etc that their gonna have to stop ****ing
with my river.

You can squeeze only so much from somthing before it runs dry.


* The one bright light is that it is inevitable that disease will hit and
wipe out the weakest.

Yup ever so many years Leptospirosis will kick in and will get a dye-
off.

* *Yeah, I use to be on the Pacific Fisheries Council and have studied
all the background material.

good. I think it is very important to get politically active.
What was your background that got you involved??

* I also know its hard to go up against pictures of cuddly white seal
pups being clubbed for their fur.

Agreed there...........


but i could care less if they are eating salmon. If there were enoough
salnom sealoins would not be an issue.

too bad the commercial salmon season is closed a ga i n ,

would you rather have a cheep burger or a salmon season ???


* Course, as far as salmon go, the nylon curtains are tough to get by also.

dont even get me started on gill net.............. highseas or in the
COLUMBIA ! there are a bitch to dodge too!

Although I saw a few river gilnetters were lost last week too. No
mater our politics they still worked the river and are mariners by
definition.

Bob

Bob wrote:
On May 10, 7:36 pm, Gordon wrote:

Hi Gordon:

Are you LDS?

No, no wives.


But back to fish.........

Actually, there use to be bounty on the critters and whether or not
you collected the bounty, it was always open season. In fact it still is
in the open sea.

What ya mean by "open sea" I know the Marine Mamal Protection Act
covers out to the FCZ or whats called the EEZ now basically 200 mile
out..

But are yo saying the high seas ...? Hum I thing the International
Whalling Commission (IWC) may have some opinion on that. but not
shure.


What I meant was all the commercial fishers I know carry and use
rifles when out of sight of seal huggers. When a king salmon is worth a
hundred bucks and a seal is trying to make off with it, so long seal.

When they became protected,

That would be 1972 for the MMPA

the numbers shot up to where there is no
longer enough food to go around and the critters are going up rivers
such as the Lewis where they have never been seen before.

Well Im not sure bout the never been b4. Maybe since the white man
been around....


They are also destroying the herring runs in Puget Sound. Adult,
spawner herring gather in certain areas before spawning and the
pinnepeds are devastating them.

Yup sorta like the Pollock A season in the Berring, since you were on
the council ya remember the big deal about roe stripping in the 80s
and early 90s? Looks like seals wernt the only ones gorging and
ripping out hte bellies n just letting the rest of the fish float off.
Humm now who would do a thing like that?


Course, less herring, less salmon.
Less salmon, even hungrier pinnipeds.
Believe it or not, in lower Puget Sound, the majority of their food
intake is sculpins.

Cottidae ya mean bull heads??? i use to catch and sell bullheads to
the UnderSeas gardens for 5 cents each. made enough to buy a burger
basket and have five bucks in my pocket at the end of a saturday on a
nickle bullhead.

Yep, bullheads. They've eaten everything else.

It's kinda like the reintroduction of wolves. All of a sudden they are
everywhere.

Yes, and the problme is that we have ****ed up the habitat so much
they tend to adapt as do many top prdetors do.



Wyoming now has an unrestricted hunt for em. Need the same
for the pinnepeds, at least to make the numbers manageable.

Thats your opinion. I suggest doing thoes things that would increas
the salmon runs so the piniped predation is not a problme. but that
would mean telling the Klamath potato farmers, ranchers, home
builders, Pendelton wheat famers (Gordon Smilt R, OR) cattle ranchers,
Tidewater/Foss Tug, Umitilla nation, BPA, Enron/PGE, sprots anglers
and commercial fishers... etc that their gonna have to stop ****ing
with my river.

You can squeeze only so much from somthing before it runs dry.


The one bright light is that it is inevitable that disease will hit and
wipe out the weakest.

Yup ever so many years Leptospirosis will kick in and will get a dye-
off.

Yeah, I use to be on the Pacific Fisheries Council and have studied
all the background material.

good. I think it is very important to get politically active.
What was your background that got you involved??

I also know its hard to go up against pictures of cuddly white seal
pups being clubbed for their fur.

Agreed there...........


but i could care less if they are eating salmon. If there were enoough
salnom sealoins would not be an issue.

too bad the commercial salmon season is closed a ga i n ,

would you rather have a cheep burger or a salmon season ???


Course, as far as salmon go, the nylon curtains are tough to get by also.

dont even get me started on gill net.............. highseas or in the
COLUMBIA ! there are a bitch to dodge too!

Although I saw a few river gilnetters were lost last week too. No
mater our politics they still worked the river and are mariners by
definition.

Bob

Ain't no easy answers.
Gordon

Isang tao pinangalanan, Gordon nagsulat:


Any real marine mamologist knows that.

Bob
I wont begin to tell you abou the time I was a NMFS Marine Mamologist
deployed in the bering sea while working for NMML in seattle.... Uhh,
Bulding 7 Sand Point ......
how was that Roger?

Mamologist? Or mammologist?

The first one. The last is a common misspell among mammals:-)

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Dette er en signatur.

Læs den ikke.

Isang tao pinangalanan, Bob nagsulat:

On May 9, 11:10*pm, Claus Frørup wrote:

The bottlenosed Dolphin can easily be trained to do specific tasks,
just like a dog.
And the Porpoise is extreemely difficult to train, just like your
household cat.

Any real marine mamologist knows that.


Well, what can I say............. I had a cat that comes when I
whistle and would leave when I said "out"

Funny. I had a cat that did it the exact opposite way.


How could i train a cat to do that? The same the way marine
entertainment industry train their odontocets ..
Here ya go, how do you get an odontocet to jump through a ring of
fire. After all theyre just a dumb fish right?

Oh, I see..... You think they are fish.
No wonder you're confused about Dolphins and Porpoises.

Cut
Odontocets are a tremdous research area and a very popular topic. Good
luck with your search. When you have other questions please contact me
anytime.
Cordially,
Bob

Nah.... I think I can get better answers from Wikipedia:-)
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Who am I?

http://www.froerup.dk/claus

On Sun, 11 May 2008 10:37:34 +0200, Claus Frørup
wrote:

Isang tao pinangalanan, Bob nagsulat:

On May 9, 11:10*pm, Claus Frørup wrote:

The bottlenosed Dolphin can easily be trained to do specific tasks,
just like a dog.
And the Porpoise is extreemely difficult to train, just like your
household cat.

Any real marine mamologist knows that.


Well, what can I say............. I had a cat that comes when I
whistle and would leave when I said "out"

Funny. I had a cat that did it the exact opposite way.


How could i train a cat to do that? The same the way marine
entertainment industry train their odontocets ..
Here ya go, how do you get an odontocet to jump through a ring of
fire. After all theyre just a dumb fish right?

Oh, I see..... You think they are fish.
No wonder you're confused about Dolphins and Porpoises.

Cut
Odontocets are a tremdous research area and a very popular topic. Good
luck with your search. When you have other questions please contact me
anytime.
Cordially,
Bob

Nah.... I think I can get better answers from Wikipedia:-)


Now, that IS an insult.
Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct Address is bpaige125atgmaildotcom)

On 2008-05-09 16:09:05 -0400, Claus Frørup said:

Bottle Nosed Dolphins and Porpoises are two different subspecies of
dolphins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bottlenosed_dolphin

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinfish, which is what Flying Pig caught.

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