Have a look at the following:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/sc...15titanic.html

Is there any thing to this or is just some more "N.Y. Times Science"?


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)

bad rivets...

oh,, and the fact that the #$%^% ship was going full speed into an iceburg!


Isn't there another wreck that is interesting ,, this one is getting
so yesterday.


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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
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Have a look at the following:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/sc...15titanic.html

Is there any thing to this or is just some more "N.Y. Times Science"?


Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)

"Thomas, Spring Point Light" wrote in message
news:TFkNj.7272$HJ1.7167@trndny01...
bad rivets...

oh,, and the fact that the #$%^% ship was going full speed into an
iceburg!


Isn't there another wreck that is interesting ,, this one is getting
so yesterday.



Glad you asked... loss of the SS Atlantic was the worst disaster in the
North Atlantic before the Titanic
http://www.ssatlantic.com/

http://www.norwayheritage.com/articl...eid=1&zoneid=1

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:14:23 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:

Isn't there another wreck that is interesting ,, this one is getting
so yesterday.



Glad you asked... loss of the SS Atlantic was the worst disaster in the
North Atlantic before the Titanic
http://www.ssatlantic.com/

It may not be particularly interesting, but the record for loss of
life, anywhere, was a shipload of Germans who were fleeing the
Russians at the end of WWII. The ship was torpedoed by a Russian sub
and about 5000 died.

Casady

On Apr 16, 1:01 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
Yes, the rivet lady. Cute gal.

I presume that's "Doctor" Cute Gal for the likes of us... I suppose
she could be a head case, but isn't the ad hominem a little low?


Stronger seams might have allowed the plates to deform without the seams
opening up but even state of the art steel rivets probably wouldn't have
done this. The heads simply would have pulled through. The degree of
weakness
they are claiming is undoubtedly correct but it simply would not have been
significant
to the outcome.

From the NYT article it sounds like the Dr. Foecke of the NIST
determined that sample rivets were weak and the "rivet lady" [sic],
Dr. McCarty (a historian) tracked down evidence that substantial
numbers of rivets were made from weaker than state of the art
materials. The argument from there seems to be that since the failure
was at the seams stronger seams would have reduced the damage. As I
read it they aren't claiming that the ship would have survived the
impact with better rivets, but that it would have taken longer to sink
which would have given the passengers and crew a better shot at
rescue. I don't have an opinion on the veracity of all that but I'm
curious about yours, Roger. Were rivets pulled through the plates?
Are you convinced that the difference in energy required to pull the
fasteners through the plates rather than popping their heads off was
trivial? Has anybody modeled any of this?

-- Tom.

On Apr 16, 3:01*am, "Roger Long" wrote:
Yes, the rivet lady. *Cute gal. *I was really looking forward to being
flown out to Seattle to be filmed with her as part of the show but she
wouldn't even answer our phone calls.
Roger Long

Roger y do you feel compleled to use such crass self promotion? Is
this an effort to build credibility, as in a , Reference to Self?

I notice this often. Is it because you lack any formal engineering
credentals so the need to drop names self promote continually?

bob

On Apr 16, 10:20 am, "Roger Long" wrote:
... Stronger seams would not have signficantly changed the amount of hull shell
deformation. The forces were simply too great. Stronger rivets would
have let the shell plating accomodate that deformation with less seam
separation and there is certainly some finite but unknown difference in the
rate of flooding that occured vs how fast the flooding would have taken
place if the rivets had been full strength. This is certainly an
interesting and important contribution to the field but to bill it as
"mystery solved - cause of sinking discovered" is a big leap. ...

Cool.

Accurate, open minded and polite. Can this really be r.b.c?
Thanks for that.

-- Tom.

Try them either baked or french fried


"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I stand corrected.

But, I hate yams.

--
Roger Long

"Roger Long" wrote in message
...
I stand corrected.

But, I hate yams.

--
Roger Long
On 2008-04-17 08:28:10 -0400, "BF" said:

Try them either baked or french fried

Or nicely candied with a Karo and brown sugar mix. Also peel the skins
to lose the sourness.

--
Jere Lull
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Jere Lull wrote:
Try them either baked or french fried

Or nicely candied with a Karo and brown sugar mix. Also peel the skins
to lose the sourness.

Better yet, get Doug to make you Sweet Potato Pie :-)

Cheers
Marty