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Anti fouling paint
I am planning on going in the yard later this month primarily to paint
the top sides (later I will author a long, forlorn, story about how not to paint a boat) but for now am wondering what anti fouling paint to use. The boat has, probably 15 years of anti fouling accumulation on the bottom so this year we are going to scrape it all off and start new. I have been using Jotun commercial (for barges) bottom paint for years (the kind with TBT in it) and have been getting about 5 years out of it. But now that TBT based paints are no longer available I am debating what to use. At the moment there seem to be three choices (1) Jotun self polishing paint in various grades depending on boat speed; (2) Chugoku self polishing, again in different grades and (3) a copper and epoxy mix that used to be called "CopperBot" but I now believe has a different name, that is supposed to last ten years or more. Now, to cut to the chase. Does anybody have actual experience with current anti fouling paints in tropical waters? P.S. do not suggest adding TBT to an existing anti fouling paint as a number of friends have tried that route with extremely variable results ranging from the paint never hardening to the paint not sticking. One or two have had good results but the variation from boat to boat does not seem to fit any pattern. One guy says he mixes ten percent TBT and it works; another claimed to use 3 percent and the paint didn't harden..... Anyone with actual experience that can give me some good advise? Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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On Apr 13, 8:07 pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
At the moment there seem to be three choices (1) Jotun self polishing paint in various grades depending on boat speed; (2) Chugoku self polishing, again in different grades and (3) a copper and epoxy mix that used to be called "CopperBot" but I now believe has a different name, that is supposed to last ten years or more. Now, to cut to the chase. Does anybody have actual experience with current anti fouling paints in tropical waters? I put CopperBot on my boat in 2001 and then sanded it down and put Devoe ABC on over it in 2002. Copperbot makes a nice barrier coat. The good news was that it would stand up to serious sanding the bad news was that it needed it all the time. Unless you dive the boat weekly I wouldn't go that route. Pretty much all the serious tropical cruisers I know use ablatives and most get 18-24 months out of a multi- coat application. I've used a couple of different Devoe products have done a few seasons with Interlux. I'm currently into my second season with Micron Extra. IME, the ablative copper paints work very well for 3-4 months and then get dramatically less effective. However, they are really easy to clean. By the end of two seasons you'll typically be down to almost no paint and any that's left will have very little anti-fouling ability... The Interlux products are more expensive than the Devoe stuff that I was getting in New Zealand but not notably better. -- Tom. |
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On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 23:49:31 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Apr 13, 8:07 pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: At the moment there seem to be three choices (1) Jotun self polishing paint in various grades depending on boat speed; (2) Chugoku self polishing, again in different grades and (3) a copper and epoxy mix that used to be called "CopperBot" but I now believe has a different name, that is supposed to last ten years or more. Now, to cut to the chase. Does anybody have actual experience with current anti fouling paints in tropical waters? I put CopperBot on my boat in 2001 and then sanded it down and put Devoe ABC on over it in 2002. Copperbot makes a nice barrier coat. The good news was that it would stand up to serious sanding the bad news was that it needed it all the time. Unless you dive the boat weekly I wouldn't go that route. This is what I had suspected, although an article in Practical Boat Owner alleged that one boat hadn't scrubbed the bottom in ten years. I watched a video of the stuff being applied and it is literally just epoxy and copper dust. They even tell you to keep stirring the can while you are rolling it on. It is also a minimum of four coats -- sort of a modern day copper sheeting. I couldn't see how it could be effective UNLESS you scrubbed it pretty aggressively on a frequent basis. At the moment I am leaning toward the Jotun as I have used Jotun before and it did what they said it would and secondly, a mate who is in Cochin,India at the moment is using it and swears that he doesn't have any growth at all. He has been at anchor in Cochin for about two months now so I'll see what his boat looks like when he gets back. Pretty much all the serious tropical cruisers I know use ablatives and most get 18-24 months out of a multi- coat application. I've used a couple of different Devoe products have done a few seasons with Interlux. I'm currently into my second season with Micron Extra. IME, the ablative copper paints work very well for 3-4 months and then get dramatically less effective. However, they are really easy to clean. By the end of two seasons you'll typically be down to almost no paint and any that's left will have very little anti-fouling ability... The Interlux products are more expensive than the Devoe stuff that I was getting in New Zealand but not notably better. -- Tom. Devoe isn't available here, as far as I know and I have had extremely bad experience with International paint - some people say because International mixes the paint that is sold here in Thailand. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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Of the dozen or so people I've known who applied a "copper-epoxy"
bottom coating, about half said it worked pretty well... with regular scrubbing. One of those was a pretty serious racer. Bruce in Bangkok wrote: Devoe isn't available here, as far as I know and I have had extremely bad experience with International paint - some people say because International mixes the paint that is sold here in Thailand. Bummer, Devoe makes good products. The only advice I can give germane to your location is, what kind of anti-fouling does the Thai military and/or gov't vessels use? I bet it's TBT. And I bet that a guy who knows the right people can get some too. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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On Apr 13, 11:28 pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote:
This is what I had suspected, although an article in Practical Boat Owner alleged that one boat hadn't scrubbed the bottom in ten years. I think something else must be going on with that one. Certainly there is a lot of copper in the paint. Burnished up my boat's bottom looked like an old pot. But, copper isn't very good against the soft stuff and once there is even a light coating of that other things colonize on top of it... On a racing boat where the bottom is buffed every weekend I'm sure Copperbot would be great but I can't see it working if never scrubbed. It certainly didn't work for me. I watched a video of the stuff being applied and it is literally just epoxy and copper dust. They even tell you to keep stirring the can while you are rolling it on. It is also a minimum of four coats -- sort of a modern day copper sheeting. Yeah, I had it professionally applied by the local dealer and they did all that. I've even seen a copper sheathing system advertised. However, traditionally copper sheeting is to keep the worms out; I don't think they've evolved to eat glass and plastic yet. Fresh copper seems to be ok anti-fouling but it doesn't last. At the moment I am leaning toward the Jotun .. I've head pretty good things about the Jotun ablatives, too, but haven't used them myself. -- Tom. |
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On 2008-04-14 08:30:38 -0400, Bruce in Bangkok said:
The last time I was in Penang and talked to a chemical shop there the owner said "I'll keep selling TBT as long as the Malaysian Navy uses TBT based anti fouling".. So you are probably correct. unfortunately I can't buy it. You can't befriend someone in the Malaysian Navy? -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:11:59 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: On Apr 13, 11:28 pm, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: This is what I had suspected, although an article in Practical Boat Owner alleged that one boat hadn't scrubbed the bottom in ten years. I think something else must be going on with that one. Certainly there is a lot of copper in the paint. Burnished up my boat's bottom looked like an old pot. But, copper isn't very good against the soft stuff and once there is even a light coating of that other things colonize on top of it... On a racing boat where the bottom is buffed every weekend I'm sure Copperbot would be great but I can't see it working if never scrubbed. It certainly didn't work for me. I watched a video of the stuff being applied and it is literally just epoxy and copper dust. They even tell you to keep stirring the can while you are rolling it on. It is also a minimum of four coats -- sort of a modern day copper sheeting. Yeah, I had it professionally applied by the local dealer and they did all that. I've even seen a copper sheathing system advertised. However, traditionally copper sheeting is to keep the worms out; I don't think they've evolved to eat glass and plastic yet. Fresh copper seems to be ok anti-fouling but it doesn't last. At the moment I am leaning toward the Jotun .. I've head pretty good things about the Jotun ablatives, too, but haven't used them myself. -- Tom. I met Sonny Levi (google for more information) with the last boat he built. It was a very 1930's looking motor sailer built in India and copper sheathed. Sonny told me that the copper worked all right as long as he got the bottom scrubbed once a month. I watched them clean the bottom one time and they were using those metal pot cleaners that look like a handful of lathe turnings and were really going at the bottom. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 01:20:03 GMT, Jere Lull wrote:
On 2008-04-14 08:30:38 -0400, Bruce in Bangkok said: The last time I was in Penang and talked to a chemical shop there the owner said "I'll keep selling TBT as long as the Malaysian Navy uses TBT based anti fouling".. So you are probably correct. unfortunately I can't buy it. You can't befriend someone in the Malaysian Navy? I probably could if I spent some time in Lamout, the west coast naval base. Interestingly I met a chap this morning that had a mate who was in the boat painting business who had some detailed information. The problems with TBT are, other then it is banned in anti fouling paints, by international treaty, it is a pretty potent poison, it doesn't mix with all bottom paints and its reaction varies from paint to paint. My present thoughts are that I'll probably go with one of the modern self polishing paints as I don't want to go through all the trials and tribulations of painting the bottom only to discover that the paint didn't get hard; or it all falls off. I do have plans to mix enough paint to do an 8 ft. dinghy. Half with TBT and half with copper based anti fouling paint. Just to see what happens. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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Greetings Bruce,
I use Jotan and merely add between 5 to 10% TBT - usually 5%. I was told not to use more than 10 percent as it will affect the drying and adhesion of the antifouling. It works well for me. Of course some of the problems people may have experienced may have been applying the wrong anitfouling ove and existing layer. I know when I started using Jotan in Malaysia instead of ABC-3, I had to sand back hard and apply a Jotan primer coat. - But you and they would have thought of that aspect. cheers Peter On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 13:07:11 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: I am planning on going in the yard later this month primarily to paint the top sides (later I will author a long, forlorn, story about how not to paint a boat) but for now am wondering what anti fouling paint to use. The boat has, probably 15 years of anti fouling accumulation on the bottom so this year we are going to scrape it all off and start new. I have been using Jotun commercial (for barges) bottom paint for years (the kind with TBT in it) and have been getting about 5 years out of it. But now that TBT based paints are no longer available I am debating what to use. At the moment there seem to be three choices (1) Jotun self polishing paint in various grades depending on boat speed; (2) Chugoku self polishing, again in different grades and (3) a copper and epoxy mix that used to be called "CopperBot" but I now believe has a different name, that is supposed to last ten years or more. Now, to cut to the chase. Does anybody have actual experience with current anti fouling paints in tropical waters? P.S. do not suggest adding TBT to an existing anti fouling paint as a number of friends have tried that route with extremely variable results ranging from the paint never hardening to the paint not sticking. One or two have had good results but the variation from boat to boat does not seem to fit any pattern. One guy says he mixes ten percent TBT and it works; another claimed to use 3 percent and the paint didn't harden..... Anyone with actual experience that can give me some good advise? Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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Hi Bruce,
Did you try Chulia Street? On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:30:38 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: The last time I was in Penang and talked to a chemical shop there the owner said "I'll keep selling TBT as long as the Malaysian Navy uses TBT based anti fouling".. So you are probably correct. unfortunately I can't buy it. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 05:34:03 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: I epoxied a solid copper ring around the through hull for my transducer when I set the flush fitting a bit too deep. I figgured that would be that cat's pajamas but it slimes up and the long slime threads jamb the paddle wheel just about as fast as bare fiberglass would. No barnacles grow on the ring but the grow briskly on the bare plastic paddle wheel 1/16 inch away from the copper. If I had coppered the whole boat, I would expect to need to scrub it every month even up here in Maine where fouling is light. I now paint the copper ring just like the rest of the bottom. I'll let you in on a secret. Take the damned speed log transmitter out, plug the hole and use the GPS. No more barnacles on the paddle wheel. You do need some penlight batteries but that is easier then jumping over the side in September to scrape the paddle wheel, or having to pull the damned thing and sea water squirting all over the electrics. Heck, I used to sail from Muscungus bay up to S.W. Harbor with a compass and one chart. Just head north out of Muscongus bay till you can't see any land out the port side and turn left. Keep going 'till you see one of those little white boats and just drift on by and holler "Where am I?". You may get told, "You're out in a boat", but most of the time they'll tell you where you are. :-) Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:04:13 +1000, Herodotus
wrote: Hi Bruce, Did you try Chulia Street? On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:30:38 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: The last time I was in Penang and talked to a chemical shop there the owner said "I'll keep selling TBT as long as the Malaysian Navy uses TBT based anti fouling".. So you are probably correct. unfortunately I can't buy it. Yup, that's the guy - known as the "Chemical man". Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:01:13 +1000, Herodotus
wrote: Greetings Bruce, I use Jotan and merely add between 5 to 10% TBT - usually 5%. I was told not to use more than 10 percent as it will affect the drying and adhesion of the antifouling. It works well for me. Of course some of the problems people may have experienced may have been applying the wrong anitfouling ove and existing layer. I know when I started using Jotan in Malaysia instead of ABC-3, I had to sand back hard and apply a Jotan primer coat. - But you and they would have thought of that aspect. cheers Peter I've been leaning that way. Met a fella today who's mate painted boats for some years and he makes about the same recommendation you do. I'm beginning to think that the people that had problems were using too much TBT as much as 10% by volume, or more. the more research I do the lower down the scale the TBT addition seems to be. Right now I'm getting recommendations between 3 - 5 % and not more. I must have the remnants of 15 years of anti fouling on the bottom so this time I';m going to scrape it all off, prime and a tie coat and a couple of coats of bottom paint. Probably be 5 knots faster :-) Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:00:44 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:04:13 +1000, Herodotus wrote: Hi Bruce, Did you try Chulia Street? On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:30:38 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: The last time I was in Penang and talked to a chemical shop there the owner said "I'll keep selling TBT as long as the Malaysian Navy uses TBT based anti fouling".. So you are probably correct. unfortunately I can't buy it. Yup, that's the guy - known as the "Chemical man". Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) Yes, Mr Ong of Langtrau Traders. Now in his 80's and speaking perfect Oxford English (though I wouldn't expect that you as an American would appreciate well spoken English), he has had a very interesting life. His father died when he was 9 leaving his mother to scrape a living for the family unassisted. When the Japanese occupied Malaya, they set up a medical school at Melaka and he was chosen to attend. After his 3rd year the British returned and the school was closed down, thus terminating his medical studies. Returning to Penang his Doctor friends suggested that, as drugs and medical supplies were hard to get hold of, he should think of buying them in Singapore on the black market and smuggling them back to Penang (the best city in the universe where the most beautiful women are just that - women) where they would buy them off him. Subsequently he somehow obtained a military uniform and a weekly pass (forged or otherwise acquired) and made the weekly round trip by train. At the time Singapore was a military area and was no go to just anybody. He went on to found the largest chemical company in Malaysia and when he reached his 60's retired, handed it over to his sons and started selling all kinds of chemical supplies from that shop house. He is an easy person to make any excuse to sit and have a cup of tea with and just ask questions. The prices of his TBT and other useful boaties' chemicals is ridiculously low. I was planning to leave Curacao today bound for Panama and have only just found out that there is at least an 8 week delay for transiting the canal. Only 3 yachts are allowed transit each way on 3 days per week. This delay means that I would have to go hell for leather to reach your end of the world before the cyclone season starts in November - and with La Nina.... I am thinking of heading home for a few months. Damn!! Asalaam Peter |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message ... I must have the remnants of 15 years of anti fouling on the bottom so this time I';m going to scrape it all off, prime and a tie coat and a couple of coats of bottom paint. Probably be 5 knots faster :-) You make it sound simple but I have taken all the a/f off a 34' boat and it is not an experience I ever plan to repeat. I used a paint remover that was guaranteed not to harm fibreglass and it did not , but this meant it was not all that brilliant at dissolving paint either. It left behind some thin residues which I washed off with the thinners appropriate to the a/f. We used a lot of it and although the job was done in the open air we were seriously affected by the fumes. Get a (really) experienced professional firm to sand blast it off in controlled conditions. . |
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On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:19:26 +1000, Herodotus
wrote: I was planning to leave Curacao today bound for Panama and have only just found out that there is at least an 8 week delay for transiting the canal. I'm told that if you use a canal agent the delay can sometimes be reduced to days. Apparently they reserve slots in advance ($$$). I know of several trawlers that have gone through recently with minimal delays. |
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:13:07 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: if the GPS should go out There is really no excuse for not carrying a spare hand held or two and a few extra batteries. I use them in the dinghy at times. |
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:24:46 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 02:19:26 +1000, Herodotus wrote: I was planning to leave Curacao today bound for Panama and have only just found out that there is at least an 8 week delay for transiting the canal. I'm told that if you use a canal agent the delay can sometimes be reduced to days. Apparently they reserve slots in advance ($$$). I know of several trawlers that have gone through recently with minimal delays. So I've heard but both from two agents and 7 yachts who reported back, this is definitely not happening for yachts. One agent said that people were even trucking their boats across by road which is reported to be not a good one. This stopped when the triler broke on one such trip and the yacht fell off. |
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:50:07 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: I do but that's not what I was talking about. Someday, the airforce is going to detect an unidentifiable radar target and turn the whole system off just in case it is a poor mans GPS guided missile. Supposedly there is some new invention called a "sex tent" or some such which uses heavenly bodies to determine position without satellites or radio waves. What will they think of next ? :-) |
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"Wayne.B" wrote in message
... On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:50:07 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote: I do but that's not what I was talking about. Someday, the airforce is going to detect an unidentifiable radar target and turn the whole system off just in case it is a poor mans GPS guided missile. Supposedly there is some new invention called a "sex tent" or some such which uses heavenly bodies to determine position without satellites or radio waves. What will they think of next ? :-) Heh. And, for communication, we have sat phones and saxophones, and some people even have phone sex. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:32:44 +0200, "Edgar"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . I must have the remnants of 15 years of anti fouling on the bottom so this time I';m going to scrape it all off, prime and a tie coat and a couple of coats of bottom paint. Probably be 5 knots faster :-) You make it sound simple but I have taken all the a/f off a 34' boat and it is not an experience I ever plan to repeat. I used a paint remover that was guaranteed not to harm fibreglass and it did not , but this meant it was not all that brilliant at dissolving paint either. It left behind some thin residues which I washed off with the thinners appropriate to the a/f. We used a lot of it and although the job was done in the open air we were seriously affected by the fumes. Get a (really) experienced professional firm to sand blast it off in controlled conditions. . One of the great advantages of living in 3rd third world nation is we have people who are virtually slaves. Paid, but very cheaply paid. And the best part of it is that any wage that they will work for me is at least double what they would be working for if they were home. As an example I can hire a Thai girl to wash my boat for ten US dollar a day, and she is happy to get it because if she works on a local construction crew she will be making $5.00. If I get illegal Burmese workers cut those numbers at least in half. So we will scrape the paint off the bottom carefully down to the gelcoat or epoxy and then sand, prime, tie coat and anti foul. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:27:16 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:13:07 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote: if the GPS should go out There is really no excuse for not carrying a spare hand held or two and a few extra batteries. I use them in the dinghy at times. It is not safe, I'm told, to operate the dinghy when one is too drunk to find the way back to the boat without a GPS :-) Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:50:07 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: "Wayne.B" wrote There is really no excuse for not carrying a spare hand held or two and a few extra batteries. I use them in the dinghy at times. I do but that's not what I was talking about. Someday, the airforce is going to detect an unidentifiable radar target and turn the whole system off just in case it is a poor mans GPS guided missile. This is one reason why the Russians have their own system and the European Union wants to set up a third. Like the Internet, GPS was originally supposed to be just one of the toys the taxpayers buy the Pentagon they can turn it off any time they want. There are also solar flares and other potential disruptions. That is why you want about a 200 foot anchor rode. Let it all out and you'll be anchored before you run aground........ Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:10:48 -0400, "Roger Long"
wrote: (Good chuckle) In the days when those were used, some sort of speed determining device was considered an essential adjunct. It's only practical to get a position a couple times a day on a small vessel and there are days when you can't get a position on any heavenly bodies at all. Course and speed are then the navigational inputs. If a sextant is a back up for GPS than a knotlog has a place on a vessel as well. If you are going to go for the sextant then no cheating with the electronic knot log. You'll have to get one of those reels and a sand glass for speed. And a lead line along with some tallow to "arm" it with. Damn, life is getting complicated. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:27:16 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:13:07 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote: if the GPS should go out There is really no excuse for not carrying a spare hand held or two and a few extra batteries. I use them in the dinghy at times. It is not safe, I'm told, to operate the dinghy when one is too drunk to find the way back to the boat without a GPS :-) Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) If you can find the dinghy, you're good to go. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:42:46 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:27:16 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:13:07 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote: if the GPS should go out There is really no excuse for not carrying a spare hand held or two and a few extra batteries. I use them in the dinghy at times. It is not safe, I'm told, to operate the dinghy when one is too drunk to find the way back to the boat without a GPS :-) Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) If you can find the dinghy, you're good to go. LOL The dinghy is easy to find - just keep walking until you fall over it. The boat is another matter 'cus all those anchor lights are the same color... Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message
... On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:42:46 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:27:16 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:13:07 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote: if the GPS should go out There is really no excuse for not carrying a spare hand held or two and a few extra batteries. I use them in the dinghy at times. It is not safe, I'm told, to operate the dinghy when one is too drunk to find the way back to the boat without a GPS :-) Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) If you can find the dinghy, you're good to go. LOL The dinghy is easy to find - just keep walking until you fall over it. The boat is another matter 'cus all those anchor lights are the same color... Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) We've had this same ongoing problem in the BVIs after many too many. Finally we got smart and left one of thos hanging lights in the cockpit. That worked for a couple of nights until all of our drunken neighbors thought it was such a good idea. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On 2008-04-17 14:02:28 -0400, "Capt. JG" said:
We've had this same ongoing problem in the BVIs pet peeve British Virgin Islands is already plural, so BVI is the correct acronym. /pet peeve Note: I was corrected by a BVIslander the one and only time I did the same thing. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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"Jere Lull" wrote in message
news:2008041719132743658-jerelull@maccom... On 2008-04-17 14:02:28 -0400, "Capt. JG" said: We've had this same ongoing problem in the BVIs pet peeve British Virgin Islands is already plural, so BVI is the correct acronym. /pet peeve Note: I was corrected by a BVIslander the one and only time I did the same thing. -- Jere Lull Xan-à-Deux -- Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ Heh... well, actually I was talking about my BVDs. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:02:28 -0700, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 09:42:46 -0700, "Capt. JG" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message ... On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:27:16 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:13:07 -0400, "Roger Long" wrote: if the GPS should go out There is really no excuse for not carrying a spare hand held or two and a few extra batteries. I use them in the dinghy at times. It is not safe, I'm told, to operate the dinghy when one is too drunk to find the way back to the boat without a GPS :-) Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) If you can find the dinghy, you're good to go. LOL The dinghy is easy to find - just keep walking until you fall over it. The boat is another matter 'cus all those anchor lights are the same color... Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) We've had this same ongoing problem in the BVIs after many too many. Finally we got smart and left one of thos hanging lights in the cockpit. That worked for a couple of nights until all of our drunken neighbors thought it was such a good idea. LOL An Australian mate of mine recently discovered these flexible strips of LED's so he bought a blue one and wrapped it around the back stay. Says it is a world of help in finding his boat at night. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
Anti fouling paint
On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:53:18 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: An Australian mate of mine recently discovered these flexible strips of LED's so he bought a blue one and wrapped it around the back stay. Says it is a world of help in finding his boat at night. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) Hi Bruce, I have a ten foot length of the white diodes which I hang from the backstay to the topping lift when going ashore at night. Beats trying to find which of those masthead ligts is yours. cheers Peter |
Anti fouling paint
On Wednesday, April 16, 2008 at 12:19:26 AM UTC+8, Peter Hendra wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:00:44 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:04:13 +1000, Herodotus wrote: Hi Bruce, Did you try Chulia Street? On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:30:38 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: The last time I was in Penang and talked to a chemical shop there the owner said "I'll keep selling TBT as long as the Malaysian Navy uses TBT based anti fouling".. So you are probably correct. unfortunately I can't buy it. Yup, that's the guy - known as the "Chemical man". Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) Yes, Mr Ong of Langtrau Traders. Now in his 80's and speaking perfect Oxford English (though I wouldn't expect that you as an American would appreciate well spoken English), he has had a very interesting life. His father died when he was 9 leaving his mother to scrape a living for the family unassisted. When the Japanese occupied Malaya, they set up a medical school at Melaka and he was chosen to attend. After his 3rd year the British returned and the school was closed down, thus terminating his medical studies. Returning to Penang his Doctor friends suggested that, as drugs and medical supplies were hard to get hold of, he should think of buying them in Singapore on the black market and smuggling them back to Penang (the best city in the universe where the most beautiful women are just that - women) where they would buy them off him. Subsequently he somehow obtained a military uniform and a weekly pass (forged or otherwise acquired) and made the weekly round trip by train. At the time Singapore was a military area and was no go to just anybody. He went on to found the largest chemical company in Malaysia and when he reached his 60's retired, handed it over to his sons and started selling all kinds of chemical supplies from that shop house. He is an easy person to make any excuse to sit and have a cup of tea with and just ask questions. The prices of his TBT and other useful boaties' chemicals is ridiculously low. Looks like Mr Ong, now 91 years old, will have to move his Liangtraco business to a new address in Penang. See: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...n-lebuh-chulia Bil |
Anti fouling paint
On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 00:07:45 -0800 (PST), Bil
wrote: On Wednesday, April 16, 2008 at 12:19:26 AM UTC+8, Peter Hendra wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:00:44 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:04:13 +1000, Herodotus wrote: Hi Bruce, Did you try Chulia Street? On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:30:38 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: The last time I was in Penang and talked to a chemical shop there the owner said "I'll keep selling TBT as long as the Malaysian Navy uses TBT based anti fouling".. So you are probably correct. unfortunately I can't buy it. Yup, that's the guy - known as the "Chemical man". Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) Yes, Mr Ong of Langtrau Traders. Now in his 80's and speaking perfect Oxford English (though I wouldn't expect that you as an American would appreciate well spoken English), he has had a very interesting life. His father died when he was 9 leaving his mother to scrape a living for the family unassisted. When the Japanese occupied Malaya, they set up a medical school at Melaka and he was chosen to attend. After his 3rd year the British returned and the school was closed down, thus terminating his medical studies. Returning to Penang his Doctor friends suggested that, as drugs and medical supplies were hard to get hold of, he should think of buying them in Singapore on the black market and smuggling them back to Penang (the best city in the universe where the most beautiful women are just that - women) where they would buy them off him. Subsequently he somehow obtained a military uniform and a weekly pass (forged or otherwise acquired) and made the weekly round trip by train. At the time Singapore was a military area and was no go to just anybody. He went on to found the largest chemical company in Malaysia and when he reached his 60's retired, handed it over to his sons and started selling all kinds of chemical supplies from that shop house. He is an easy person to make any excuse to sit and have a cup of tea with and just ask questions. The prices of his TBT and other useful boaties' chemicals is ridiculously low. Looks like Mr Ong, now 91 years old, will have to move his Liangtraco business to a new address in Penang. See: http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/m...n-lebuh-chulia Bil Re the article, the situation is likely that someone owns the property in that area and has been renting/leasing it out for generations and now there is some big money that is trying to make a ton of money by building a whole neighborhood the rent for which will be much, much higher. Re Mr. Ong, the first time I went to find him I couldn't locate the shop and stopped in at another that seemed to be in about the same area as his shop was supposed to be. the people there pointed out his shop on the other side of the road and when I was talking to him I mentioned that and I got the impression that he owned, or his family owned, both places and I suspect that Mr. Ong has been making a very nice piece of change out of the shops all these years. There used to be a lot of old geezers like him in Singapore. Sit out front on a broken down chair wearing a singlet, shorts and sandals. Drive home in a Mercedes 500 :-) -- Cheers, Bruce in Bangkok |
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