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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 00:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Jay
wrote: On Apr 5, 7:20*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in messagenews:lhcgv3tmnc4on4g66bq3hhkhts27m6qgsn@4ax .com... I hate to sound like an old man (even if I am) but in my younger days a 5 H.P. motor was considered a "fishing boat" motor. A fishing boat being a well built (i.e., heavy) wooden 14 - 16 foot boat. Now 'a days it seems to take at least 50 H.P to push he same boat -- maybe the horses are getting smaller? In your younger days motors ran on steam! Wilbur Hubbard Bruce, was Wilbur being unkind to you? Actually, the horses aren't getting smaller, it's just that the hardwiring in the brains of some today can only produce one thought---there is no substitute for having the biggest one in the group. Although they're talking about their boat motors, we all know the basis for that psychological affliction of only the biggest is the best. LOLOL But all we wanna do is putt-putt-putt around the nice quiet, placid lake and soak up some rays...no water skiing, no planing, no drag racing, no attempts to cross the Pacific via Hawaii...just putt, putt, putt, putt, putt, putt....................................so ya think the DF4 will do that huh? -Jay Actually I have Willie-boy kill filed so the only time I see his messages are when someone quotes him. Strangely, I don't miss him at all :-) No, when I was a young fella outboards were the thing. I have seen an 18 ft. dory with an inboard, New Foundland built, one cylinder engine with an external flywheel and crank, directly coupled to the prop shaft . If you retarded the spark (and you were both adroit and lucky) you could get the thing to stall and restart in reverse. Probably a four H.P. engine and the guy was running abou100 lobster traps with the boat - pulling 50 traps a day -- by hand. Funny how people used to get along without the SUV's and color TV. My grandpa cut all the wood to heat a two bedroom house in upstate New England, by himself. Took most of the month of September. With a hand saw and an axe and he was in his 70's. Never owned a chain saw. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6
"Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message ... On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 00:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Jay wrote: On Apr 5, 7:20 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in messagenews:lhcgv3tmnc4on4g66bq3hhkhts27m6qgsn@4ax .com... I hate to sound like an old man (even if I am) but in my younger days a 5 H.P. motor was considered a "fishing boat" motor. A fishing boat being a well built (i.e., heavy) wooden 14 - 16 foot boat. Now 'a days it seems to take at least 50 H.P to push he same boat -- maybe the horses are getting smaller? In your younger days motors ran on steam! Wilbur Hubbard Bruce, was Wilbur being unkind to you? Actually, the horses aren't getting smaller, it's just that the hardwiring in the brains of some today can only produce one thought---there is no substitute for having the biggest one in the group. Although they're talking about their boat motors, we all know the basis for that psychological affliction of only the biggest is the best. LOLOL But all we wanna do is putt-putt-putt around the nice quiet, placid lake and soak up some rays...no water skiing, no planing, no drag racing, no attempts to cross the Pacific via Hawaii...just putt, putt, putt, putt, putt, putt....................................so ya think the DF4 will do that huh? -Jay Actually I have Willie-boy kill filed so the only time I see his messages are when someone quotes him. Strangely, I don't miss him at all :-) No, when I was a young fella outboards were the thing. I have seen an 18 ft. dory with an inboard, New Foundland built, one cylinder engine with an external flywheel and crank, directly coupled to the prop shaft . If you retarded the spark (and you were both adroit and lucky) you could get the thing to stall and restart in reverse. Probably a four H.P. engine and the guy was running abou100 lobster traps with the boat - pulling 50 traps a day -- by hand. snip.. probably an old 'Make & Break' engine... once popular and a familiar sound in the Maritimes and Newfoundland. http://www.gasenginemagazine.com/complete-archive/3908/ http://museum.gov.ns.ca/fma/gallery-pages/aeng.html |
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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:53:46 -0300, "Don White"
wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 00:00:10 -0700 (PDT), Jay wrote: On Apr 5, 7:20 pm, "Wilbur Hubbard" wrote: "Bruce in Bangkok" wrote in messagenews:lhcgv3tmnc4on4g66bq3hhkhts27m6qgsn@4ax .com... I hate to sound like an old man (even if I am) but in my younger days a 5 H.P. motor was considered a "fishing boat" motor. A fishing boat being a well built (i.e., heavy) wooden 14 - 16 foot boat. Now 'a days it seems to take at least 50 H.P to push he same boat -- maybe the horses are getting smaller? In your younger days motors ran on steam! Wilbur Hubbard Bruce, was Wilbur being unkind to you? Actually, the horses aren't getting smaller, it's just that the hardwiring in the brains of some today can only produce one thought---there is no substitute for having the biggest one in the group. Although they're talking about their boat motors, we all know the basis for that psychological affliction of only the biggest is the best. LOLOL But all we wanna do is putt-putt-putt around the nice quiet, placid lake and soak up some rays...no water skiing, no planing, no drag racing, no attempts to cross the Pacific via Hawaii...just putt, putt, putt, putt, putt, putt....................................so ya think the DF4 will do that huh? -Jay Actually I have Willie-boy kill filed so the only time I see his messages are when someone quotes him. Strangely, I don't miss him at all :-) No, when I was a young fella outboards were the thing. I have seen an 18 ft. dory with an inboard, New Foundland built, one cylinder engine with an external flywheel and crank, directly coupled to the prop shaft . If you retarded the spark (and you were both adroit and lucky) you could get the thing to stall and restart in reverse. Probably a four H.P. engine and the guy was running abou100 lobster traps with the boat - pulling 50 traps a day -- by hand. snip.. probably an old 'Make & Break' engine... once popular and a familiar sound in the Maritimes and Newfoundland. http://www.gasenginemagazine.com/complete-archive/3908/ http://museum.gov.ns.ca/fma/gallery-pages/aeng.html The second URL is the engine I remember (except it had a longer shaft and no holes in the bock :-) From what some of the older fishermen said they were the engine of choice at one time. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6
Rats! I was hoping that at least one member of this group would have
had personal experience with the Suzuki portable outboards, especially the 4hp and the 6hp to offer some insights as to their functionality, endurance, noise level, trolling , etc. Haven't received too many replies in the other boat group either so guess Suzuki's don't have that many users. Thanx to the ones who responded though. Jay |
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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6
On 2008-04-08 01:10:49 -0400, Jay said:
Rats! I was hoping that at least one member of this group would have had personal experience with the Suzuki portable outboards, especially the 4hp and the 6hp to offer some insights as to their functionality, endurance, noise level, trolling , etc. Haven't received too many replies in the other boat group either so guess Suzuki's don't have that many users. Thanx to the ones who responded though. Jay I don't have direct experience with them, but if you really are just trolling around, the 4 will beat oars handily. MY concern with any outboard is that you have adequate support where you live and/or cruise. We have a wonderful ancient Honda, but no dealers that I can get to without taking time off of work. I'd feel safest with two nearby shops with good reputations, and at least one day they're open past 5 PM. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
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Suzuki DF4 vs. DF6
On Apr 7, 10:58*pm, Jere Lull wrote:
Good point about having a good service shop nearby. And thanx for the support of the 4HP. I've been leaning in that direction anyway. The lakes we go to are pretty calm and, maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see a lot of mechanical difference between the 4HP (DF4) and the 6HP (DF6). It's like they're the same exact motor and the 6 just winds out more. -Jay |
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Forgot to mention a harebrained (?) idea a friend of mine had. He
said to just putt-putt that 14 footer around these calm ponds in the area all I would need would be the Suzuki 2.5 HP but that sounds more like a motor for an inflatable, dinghy or a little 8 or 10 foot Walker Bay to me. He also mentioned that if I was going to shell out a $1100 for the Suzuki DF4, I should pick up the Briggs and Stratton 5HP online for $750 delivered. (One more horse at work for $350 less). Hmmmm...too many damn decisions. -Jay |
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On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 02:49:20 -0700 (PDT), Jay
wrote: Forgot to mention a harebrained (?) idea a friend of mine had. He said to just putt-putt that 14 footer around these calm ponds in the area all I would need would be the Suzuki 2.5 HP but that sounds more like a motor for an inflatable, dinghy or a little 8 or 10 foot Walker Bay to me. He also mentioned that if I was going to shell out a $1100 for the Suzuki DF4, I should pick up the Briggs and Stratton 5HP online for $750 delivered. (One more horse at work for $350 less). Hmmmm...too many damn decisions. -Jay I think your problem is in your description of what you want to do. I have a Mercury 3 H.P. and I'll guarantee it will push your boat around a lake. Not too quickly, but it will push it and since speed will be more a factor of water line length then anything else the 2.5/3 H.P will probably push your 14 footer about as fast as my 8 foot dinghy (with the same number of people aboard). The Briggs & Stratton will probably work as well as anything and last as long. At least for the weekend and holiday use you will likely put it to. Or get a good used second hand 4 - 5 H.P. if you can locate one. Bruce-in-Bangkok (correct email address for reply) |
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On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:44:36 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok
wrote: The Briggs & Stratton will probably work as well as anything and last as long. At least for the weekend and holiday use you will likely put it to. Or get a good used second hand 4 - 5 H.P. if you can locate one. The Briggs and Stratton is air cooled and *very* noisy. I think it would be a poor choice. The 2.5 will definitely move you around although not very fast. If you want to optimize light weight and low cost the 2.5 would be the best option (if you have dealer support). For low speed on a small pond you might be happy with an electric trolling motor and a deep cycle battery. |
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On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 09:57:51 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:44:36 +0700, Bruce in Bangkok wrote: The Briggs & Stratton will probably work as well as anything and last as long. At least for the weekend and holiday use you will likely put it to. Or get a good used second hand 4 - 5 H.P. if you can locate one. The Briggs and Stratton is air cooled and *very* noisy. I think it would be a poor choice. The 2.5 will definitely move you around although not very fast. If you want to optimize light weight and low cost the 2.5 would be the best option (if you have dealer support). Second that. Ran an air-cooled 5hp for years. Cheap Sears thing. Always regretted not kicking in the extra cash for a water cooled. It was noisy as hell. --Vic |
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