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"Capt. JG" wrote in
: Well, that's the typical right-wingnut thing.... put someone down because of their name, race, gender, whatever, rather than actually have something constructive to say. Typical and disgusting. All I want is a new line on all elections - NOTA (None of the Above). If you don't like this Freemason or that Freemason, as it is now, you can't tell them you don't like any of the Freemasons listed...from both parties. I think the USA is the only so-called "democracy" without a vote of no confidence on the planet to kick the entrenched *******s out if they screw up. Why? Which Freemason are you going to vote for in 08? (Hillary counts, Billy is 32nd degree and she's big wheel in Eastern Star). The only one not in the cult is Ron Paul, Doctor NO, which makes him ineligible at the Republican Convention. |
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Red wrote in :
There's no doubt about GW and human behavior causing it. There are really two choices.. Not true at all. John Baez, a non-believer and brilliant scientist shows you why if you'll look back beyond human existence: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/ Actually, on the LONG scale, Earth is in one of its COLD periods and has been for 1.8 million years. How are you going to blame humans and their cars for all these MASSIVE variations the hockey stick Algore love is such a TINY part of? The Earth is COLDER now than it has been most all its life, unless you're a Christian school student who is convinced Earth is only 6000 years old, dispite a mountain of evidence to the contrary.... I can make the temperature rise in my computer room look like a disaster if I baseline it on the last 5 seconds of its existence with the heater turned on.....how stupid! In the last 14,000 years, sea levels have RISEN by 125 METERS and that trend is nearly LINEAR! How are we gonna blame THAT on coal fired power plants and those awful Ford automobiles?? Man's effect on global temperature, sea temperature is damned near immeasurable in the massive changes of the SUN.... |
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Jon replied:
f course you won't. Nothing like having a mind that is completely closed! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com That is just the point, Jon, I do not read them specifically *because* they are from closed minded people with a single purpose - to raise money for their political party and no other reason. Please Jon, re-read what I wrote - I don't read political fundraising nonsense and lies from either party because I do not like being lied to so a political party can scam me for money or pass legislation that is bad for the country - is that clear enough? If you think your party is honest, well then there isn't anything more to say - you be a good boy and go practice your religion. For me, I will have an open discussion on the merits of any political point of view, as long as you aren't going off on a religious rant - which is what most people do when they speak about anything to do with the views of their particular party, and is what you have been doing here. You are not going to investigate anything I've raised a point about so you will never find out if I was right or wrong, you will just assume and believe I am wrong because your religious beliefs will not allow you to consider or even investigate any other point of view. That is just dishonest and is why this country's political system is in the shape its in now. After all, why should any politician consider doing anything honest or good for the country when the citizenry can be so easily deceived and corrupted, and will keep voting for them time after time even though they are putting the screws to you and you haven't got the guts to stop and look at what they are really doing and call them on it. |
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Capt. JG wrote:
Well, that's the typical right-wingnut thing.... put someone down because of their name, race, gender, whatever, rather than actually have something constructive to say. Typical and disgusting. Well then Jon, you better start reading what Mr. Obama himself has been writing. If you don't, you won't have anyone to blame but yourself. And when you find out what has been transpiring, well, I'll bring this discussion back up to you then. And calling me a "typical right-wingnut" is what exactly...? Obviously you haven't been paying attention. Red |
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Burning a carload of coal (about 20 tons) will provide about 20 minutes of electricity in the average 1000 megawatt powerplant (that's the average turnover). Think about how much coal that adds up to - we now burn about 1 billion tons of coal in the U.S. to produce electricity. That alone produces 40 percent of all our 'greenhouse' gasses. All this would ACCUMULATE....IF WE WERE SEALED IN A BUBBLE! But, alas, WE'RE NOT! The solar wind is blasting the atmosphere with millions of tons of NEW GASES, continuously. Case in point: How much fossil fuel has man burned in the atmosphere since the cavemen discovered fire? Surely, by now, especially after the Industrial Revolution poured billions of tons of coal gas into the atmosphere, we should at LEAST be able to DETECT IT! IT'S NOT THERE....It just blew away! another case in point.... For a week after 9/11/01, all spewing commercial planes were grounded across the USA. Delta Airlines, ALONE, burns 9.4 BILLION gallons of kerosene every year! That's Billion with the B! Within a DAY, the air over South Carolina, on the downwind side of the country, was so blue it looked fake. ONE DAY! All the cars were still spewing it out, unabated, as America went about its business. All we had to do to clean the air is GROUND THE PLANES AND LET THE RICH USE THE PHONES. I've always thought this to be a great idea, personally, even when I lived on airplanes for the Navy and CG contractors. Just ground the planes and the air clears right up....without turning off the power to my house...without choking my cars. Ground the planes Algore flys on FIRST....then we'll talk...(c; |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
: Actually, I did support nukular energy until I realized that's actually much more polluting as far as carbon goes. Lots of people, including me, forgot about all the mining, refining, processing required. It's not a panacea, and it's only clean at the end of the process (not really though if you think about the long-term storage requirements for the spent fuel rods). There's two solutions already available to cure both the fuel production problem and the waste storage, long term, killing another huge problem for the USA in the process, literally! Fuel production can be cut way back if we let them build the BREEDER REACTORS that create their own fuel....instead of buying it from big ENERGY companies own by the politicians and bankers. Problem solved.... I have a great solution for waste storage...... We confiscate a 1-mile-wide swath of land from the Mexican border inland inside the USA from Brownsville, TX to the Pacific Ocean. We dig a series of containment pits 1/2 mile wide with no gaps except for very narrow border crossing points that can be defended from the invasion. Fuel has already been glassified, which keeps it from eroding away, not much of a problem in the DESERT along the Mexican border anyways. We truck all the current waste to the pits and simply dump it in, creating a radioactive no-mans-land to protect the country from its current invasion of illegals. Anyone crossing into the country except in fast- moving vehicles at the tiny gaps simply receives his/her lethal dose of radiation and dies in the pits to remind the rest of them what will happen to them if they cross that border! The gaps won't require more than cursory monitoring, either, because they are so long and so narrow that you MUST be moving in a vehicle over 70 MPH to limit your dose to something tolerable. Anyone walking through that gap is DEAD MEAT. Two problems taken care of PERMANENTLY....We can even take down the fence. ----------------------------------------------------- BTW, I'm 100 miles, exactly, east of one of our less-than-safe Nuke stations, Vogtl, on the Savannah River just inside Georgia Power. I've created somewhat of a stir in the Emergency Services bureaucracies, here, asking why there is no automatic alarm, for instance, on the NOAA weather transmitter for nuclear accidents at Vogtl or our Nuclear Weapons dump in Goose Creek, SC...or our Nuclear Weapons airplane loading facility less than a mile from my house on the river. The blank look on their faces is priceless. They have no intention of setting off any alarms to warn Charleston if we're about to be irradiated to death....in line with FEMA's plans to enslave us all.... |
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"Red" wrote in message
... Jon replied: f course you won't. Nothing like having a mind that is completely closed! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com That is just the point, Jon, I do not read them specifically *because* they are from closed minded people with a single purpose - to raise money for their political party and no other reason. Please Jon, re-read what I wrote - I don't read political fundraising nonsense and lies from either party because I do not like being lied to so a political party can scam me for money or pass legislation that is bad for the country - is that clear enough? If you think your party is honest, well then there isn't anything more to say - you be a good boy and go practice your religion. For me, I will have an open discussion on the merits of any political point of view, as long as you aren't going off on a religious rant - which is what most people do when they speak about anything to do with the views of their particular party, and is what you have been doing here. You are not going to investigate anything I've raised a point about so you will never find out if I was right or wrong, you will just assume and believe I am wrong because your religious beliefs will not allow you to consider or even investigate any other point of view. That is just dishonest and is why this country's political system is in the shape its in now. After all, why should any politician consider doing anything honest or good for the country when the citizenry can be so easily deceived and corrupted, and will keep voting for them time after time even though they are putting the screws to you and you haven't got the guts to stop and look at what they are really doing and call them on it. How would you possibly know unless you looked?? The Sierra Club is one of the most non-liberal of all the environmental groups... hardly Earth Firsters. The preponderance of evidence says that we're causing global warming. I've pointed you to a fairly benign source that has some interesting information, yet you refuse to look. Instead, you make fun of a political candidate. Seems pretty obvious to me who's mind is closed. I'm not sure where you're getting religious beliefs, mine or anyone elses, from me pointing to an interesting website, but I guess that says a lot about you. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... Red wrote in : There's no doubt about GW and human behavior causing it. There are really two choices.. Not true at all. John Baez, a non-believer and brilliant scientist shows you why if you'll look back beyond human existence: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/ Actually, on the LONG scale, Earth is in one of its COLD periods and has been for 1.8 million years. How are you going to blame humans and their cars for all these MASSIVE variations the hockey stick Algore love is such a TINY part of? The Earth is COLDER now than it has been most all its life, unless you're a Christian school student who is convinced Earth is only 6000 years old, dispite a mountain of evidence to the contrary.... I can make the temperature rise in my computer room look like a disaster if I baseline it on the last 5 seconds of its existence with the heater turned on.....how stupid! In the last 14,000 years, sea levels have RISEN by 125 METERS and that trend is nearly LINEAR! How are we gonna blame THAT on coal fired power plants and those awful Ford automobiles?? Man's effect on global temperature, sea temperature is damned near immeasurable in the massive changes of the SUN.... You really need to calm down. Not only are you ranting, but you're totally incoherent. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in : Well, that's the typical right-wingnut thing.... put someone down because of their name, race, gender, whatever, rather than actually have something constructive to say. Typical and disgusting. All I want is a new line on all elections - NOTA (None of the Above). If you don't like this Freemason or that Freemason, as it is now, you can't tell them you don't like any of the Freemasons listed...from both parties. I think the USA is the only so-called "democracy" without a vote of no confidence on the planet to kick the entrenched *******s out if they screw up. Why? Which Freemason are you going to vote for in 08? (Hillary counts, Billy is 32nd degree and she's big wheel in Eastern Star). The only one not in the cult is Ron Paul, Doctor NO, which makes him ineligible at the Republican Convention. Obama and Hillary are freemasons? Wow, now that's new information! ROFL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Red" wrote in message
... Capt. JG wrote: Well, that's the typical right-wingnut thing.... put someone down because of their name, race, gender, whatever, rather than actually have something constructive to say. Typical and disgusting. Well then Jon, you better start reading what Mr. Obama himself has been writing. If you don't, you won't have anyone to blame but yourself. And when you find out what has been transpiring, well, I'll bring this discussion back up to you then. And calling me a "typical right-wingnut" is what exactly...? Obviously you haven't been paying attention. Red So, you've read his books? Really? I doubt it. Why don't you claim he's a muslim or doesn't know the National Anthem. sheesh. "typical right-wingnut" - if you have to ask, you are one. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:43:35 -0500, Red wrote:
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"Capt. JG" wrote: "Molesworth" wrote in message It has to be a global attempt or nothing at all. My 2c -- Molesworth Interesting map... of course, the Sierra Club must be lying... http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/maps/map2.pdf Map is *10 years* old! I'd like to see this map updated tho. -- Molesworth |
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Red wrote: Capt. JG sent a link to a Democrap fundraising front: Interesting map... of course, the Sierra Club must be lying... http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/maps/map2.pdf -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com I won't even bother to read what that organization has to say about anything. Their past performance suggests they are totally incapable of telling the truth. They are a political party fundraising front, and nothing more. Just to be fair, I don't read anything from political fundraising fronts from either side. There stall was next to mine last saturday at the market. They are trying to save the wetlands of Louisiana by recycling Mardi Gras beads! Good for them. -- Molesworth |
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Red wrote: For me, I will have an open discussion on the merits of any political point of view, as long as you aren't going off on a religious rant Good (semi-amusing) article from the Daily Telegraph: What was it, this frisson that passed between the young woman behind the counter at Pret A Manger and me? It wasn't flirtation, exactly. It was more conspiratorial than that. A knowing look. A social judgment shared. As she asked me if I wanted a plastic bag for my two items - a (wild) salmon sandwich and a banana - the man at the head of the queue next to mine was asked the same question by another assistant. He had a sandwich and an apple. The point is, I said no. He said yes. That was when the look was exchanged. That, I am ashamed to admit, was the moment I felt superior, if only by one degree, if only for a second. The man had committed a faux pas. He had transgressed an unwritten ethical code. He had fallen foul of the new morality, which actually, if you think about it, is also the new snobbery. It is apparent everywhere. In a restaurant the other night our companions asked us if we wanted sparkling water or whether we were happy with a jug of tap. The clue to the correct answer was in the word "happy". We went with the tap. It wasn't that we were being cheap - but we probably were being a little smug. My wife and I are paid-up members of the enlightened middle classes, you see. Our consciousnesses have been raised. We are E, the modern equivalent of U. Just as Nancy Mitford divided society into the upper classes and the aspiring middle classes - that is, into U and Non-U - so society is being divided into the environmentally aware and environmentally unaware, or E and Non-E. It satisfies a need we seem to have to judge one another. The modern equivalent of saying "toilet", "serviette" or "pardon" is leaving your television on stand-by, driving a Chelsea tractor, arriving at Waitrose without your own heavy-duty carrier bags, popping into Starbucks without your own reusable mug, walking past the shelves selling organic, Fairtrade and free-range, or flying long-haul when you don't really need to (and without offsetting your carbon footprint). I tell you, it's a social minefield out there. Even going to Glastonbury has become Non-E. I know - that surprises me, too. I thought Glastonbury was the ultimate in environmental chic, a demonstration that you suckle at the teat of Mother Earth, that you are in touch with your inner solstice. But no - for the bien pensants, Glastonbury is ruled out this year. And this comes straight from the top: Thom Yorke, the lead singer of Radiohead. Why? Because it doesn't have "an adequate public transport infrastructure in place". Radiohead, he added in an article in the Sun on Thursday, "are doing everything we can to minimise our impact on the environment". Hmm. Could this be the moment when the backlash starts? It is, after all, a scientifically verifiable fact there is nothing in this world more annoying than being lectured by a pop star. According to this premise, the blame for the Iraq war rests squarely on the shoulders of Ms Dynamite. Had she not argued in March 2003 the invasion should not be allowed to happen, it wouldn't have happened. Her annoying intervention was, for George W Bush and Tony Blair, the tipping point. Being harangued by a newspaper comes a close second. The Independent has been banging the environmental drum for a few years now - ever since its editor-in-chief, Simon Kelner, had lunch with Laurie David, Hollywood's richest and most glamorous eco-warrior, the woman who holds "eco-salons" for Leonardo Di Caprio, Cameron Diaz, Angelina Jolie et al. But at least the Independent?'s heart is in the right place. More disturbing is the come-lately arrival on the eco-worthy scene of the Daily Mail. About five years ago that paper's standard response to an eco story was merciless ridicule. Last week it dedicated its front page to a campaign to stop us using plastic bags. Perhaps its canny editor had tested the air and knew that Sainsbury's and Tesco were about to announce plans to reduce plastic bags by a billion a year anyway. Hmm, again. Being lectured by a posh person comes third. I wonder how much longer the green revolution took to filter into the mainstream because the Prince of Wales was leading it. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a visionary, a true philosopher prince. But given that the other two leading figures in the green movement, the Eton-educated Jonathon Porritt and the Stowe-educated George Monbiot, are also pretty posh, there may have been some inverted snobbery in the slowness of the eco uptake. On the other hand, perhaps in some subliminal way this association of greenness with poshness explains the current vogue for going green among the aspiring middle classes. David Cameron (Eton-educated, of course, and for once this seems relevant to the discussion) has been canny in the way he has exploited this fashion. I hope there isn't a backlash, by the way. I'm all for recycling, sustainability, diversity, lowering carbon emissions and everything. But I do think the eco-awareness game has to be played more subtly than it is being played at the moment. When the BSE scare was at its height, there were those contrarians among us who made a point of ordering rare beef as a gesture of defiance. Others deliberately wore fur when that became the cause clebre. When councils start preaching at us, that really winds us up. If people were allowed to use recycling bins when they needed to, I reckon they would. But we resent being treated like children and told we can't have collections every week because we don't know what's best for us. And how galling it must be for my parents' generation to be told not to waste things when they have lived through rationing and know all about the benefits of frugality. If there is one thing the British hate more than having their environment needlessly destroyed, overheated or squandered, it is being preached at by busybodies, puritans and snobs. The eco-snobs are the worst. It is not enough they get to feel better about themselves for doing the right thing environmentally; they have to make someone else feel worse. Make them feel small, vulgar, immoral. I caught myself doing it in that queue the other day. And shame on me for that. |
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Molesworth wrote:
In article , Red wrote: Capt. JG sent a link to a Democrap fundraising front: Interesting map... of course, the Sierra Club must be lying... http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/maps/map2.pdf -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com I won't even bother to read what that organization has to say about anything. Their past performance suggests they are totally incapable of telling the truth. They are a political party fundraising front, and nothing more. Just to be fair, I don't read anything from political fundraising fronts from either side. There stall was next to mine last saturday at the market. They are trying to save the wetlands of Louisiana by recycling Mardi Gras beads! Good for them. Wasn't it the president of the S club that clearcut his own property? G |
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"mr.b" wrote in message
... On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:43:35 -0500, Red wrote: snip pot=kettle=black *plonk* Nah... don't plonk him... he's not that bad. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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ed
Actually, I did support nukular energy until I realized that's actually much more polluting as far as carbon goes. Lots of people, including me, forgot about all the mining, refining, processing required. It's not a panacea, and it's only clean at the end of the process (not really though if you think about the long-term storage requirements for the spent fuel rods). I would certainly support fusion, but that's still many decades away. I love the nuclear arguments. The NIMBYs' scream no. The safety crowd says no. The what do you do with the waste crowd says no. And all the time there are scores of nuclear warships in or near every major US port. Gordon |
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"Molesworth" wrote in message
... Good (semi-amusing) article from the Daily Telegraph: Very amusing... And how galling it must be for my parents' generation to be told not to waste things when they have lived through rationing and know all about the benefits of frugality. If there is one thing the British hate more than having their environment needlessly destroyed, overheated or squandered, it is being preached at by busybodies, puritans and snobs. Actually, my parents were very conscious about not wasting things, even being one of the first couples in the area where they lived to attempt recycling. My father was less enthusiastic than my mom. And, he used to idle his huge gas-guzzler for 1/2 hour or so before he would drive it 10 minutes to the store... even drove the dog crazy who was I think bothered by the idling and would wildly bark at the garage until my father would either leave or my mom would tell him to shut it off or leave. The eco-snobs are the worst. It is not enough they get to feel better about themselves for doing the right thing environmentally; they have to make someone else feel worse. Make them feel small, vulgar, immoral. I caught myself doing it in that queue the other day. And shame on me for that. You mean other people are not small, vulgar, and immoral?? Wow. Ok. LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Molesworth" wrote in message
... In article , Red wrote: Capt. JG sent a link to a Democrap fundraising front: Interesting map... of course, the Sierra Club must be lying... http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/maps/map2.pdf -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com I won't even bother to read what that organization has to say about anything. Their past performance suggests they are totally incapable of telling the truth. They are a political party fundraising front, and nothing more. Just to be fair, I don't read anything from political fundraising fronts from either side. There stall was next to mine last saturday at the market. They are trying to save the wetlands of Louisiana by recycling Mardi Gras beads! Good for them. -- Molesworth That sounds so cool. I have a bunch of them... where do I send them? -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Molesworth" wrote in message
... In article , "Capt. JG" wrote: "Molesworth" wrote in message It has to be a global attempt or nothing at all. My 2c -- Molesworth Interesting map... of course, the Sierra Club must be lying... http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/maps/map2.pdf Map is *10 years* old! I'd like to see this map updated tho. -- Molesworth I would also... I'm sure there are others that are more up to date. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:34:20 -0800, Capt. JG wrote:
"mr.b" wrote in message ... On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:43:35 -0500, Red wrote: snip pot=kettle=black *plonk* Nah... don't plonk him... he's not that bad. yeah he is...a real blowhard...he's just too strident to be amusing |
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"mr.b" wrote in message
... On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 08:34:20 -0800, Capt. JG wrote: "mr.b" wrote in message ... On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 01:43:35 -0500, Red wrote: snip pot=kettle=black *plonk* Nah... don't plonk him... he's not that bad. yeah he is...a real blowhard...he's just too strident to be amusing Not compared to... oh, never mind. They know who they are! LOL -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Gordon" wrote in message
... ed Actually, I did support nukular energy until I realized that's actually much more polluting as far as carbon goes. Lots of people, including me, forgot about all the mining, refining, processing required. It's not a panacea, and it's only clean at the end of the process (not really though if you think about the long-term storage requirements for the spent fuel rods). I would certainly support fusion, but that's still many decades away. I love the nuclear arguments. The NIMBYs' scream no. The safety crowd says no. The what do you do with the waste crowd says no. And all the time there are scores of nuclear warships in or near every major US port. Gordon Fortunately, they don't dump their waste in ports. I like New Zealand's policy (not sure if it's changed). They don't allow NPowered ships in their ports. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote: "Molesworth" wrote in message ... In article , Red wrote: Capt. JG sent a link to a Democrap fundraising front: Interesting map... of course, the Sierra Club must be lying... http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/maps/map2.pdf -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com I won't even bother to read what that organization has to say about anything. Their past performance suggests they are totally incapable of telling the truth. They are a political party fundraising front, and nothing more. Just to be fair, I don't read anything from political fundraising fronts from either side. There stall was next to mine last saturday at the market. They are trying to save the wetlands of Louisiana by recycling Mardi Gras beads! Good for them. -- Molesworth That sounds so cool. I have a bunch of them... where do I send them? ermm.. Loyola Ave, Labarre Rd and on the westbank (Westwego)! Postage would be a killer! :-) There is a theory that New Orleans is sinking under the weight of all the bards in boxes in peoples' closets! Mine are all going this week (4 cartons) -- Molesworth |
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"Molesworth" wrote in message
... In article , "Capt. JG" wrote: "Molesworth" wrote in message ... In article , Red wrote: Capt. JG sent a link to a Democrap fundraising front: Interesting map... of course, the Sierra Club must be lying... http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/maps/map2.pdf -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com I won't even bother to read what that organization has to say about anything. Their past performance suggests they are totally incapable of telling the truth. They are a political party fundraising front, and nothing more. Just to be fair, I don't read anything from political fundraising fronts from either side. There stall was next to mine last saturday at the market. They are trying to save the wetlands of Louisiana by recycling Mardi Gras beads! Good for them. -- Molesworth That sounds so cool. I have a bunch of them... where do I send them? ermm.. Loyola Ave, Labarre Rd and on the westbank (Westwego)! Postage would be a killer! :-) There is a theory that New Orleans is sinking under the weight of all the bards in boxes in peoples' closets! Mine are all going this week (4 cartons) -- Molesworth But, one wonders... do formaldehyde trailers pollute water? Perhaps FEMA can use them as offshore barriers. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in message ... And all the time there are scores of nuclear warships in or near every major US port. Gordon Fortunately, they don't dump their waste in ports. I like New Zealand's policy (not sure if it's changed). They don't allow NPowered ships in their ports. NZ banned nuclear ships and weapons from their waters. At one time this meant every US Navy warship was banned from NZ waters. How could a naval reactor dump any nuclear waste at all? They are self contained 2 stage systems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zea...ntrol_Act_1987 What is so hilarious is that the SUN IS NUCLEAR POWERED (fusion and fisiion) and the WASTE PRODUCTS of these reactions are SPEWED AT THE EARTH and HEAT the EARTH. Exposure to the sun is over 1000 times more deadly than the exposure to working nuclear power plants. Over 10,000 Americans a year die from the effects sun exposu http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/1028043646.html World wide we're looking at about 100,000 deaths annually, that makes about a million people per decade. The atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima killed about 150,000. 30-40 were killed at Chernobyl. Solar power - the most deadly form of energy! Kills more than gas, oil, coal and nuclear combined!! The sun is also heating the earth, the earth is getting hotter to the point of killing all life!! It would take one heck of a lot of atomic bombs to wipe out all life. There have been well over 1,000 atmospheric nuclear bomb tests since 1945 and the earth's population is still growing unchecked!! http://www.brookings.edu/FP/PROJECTS/NUCWCOST/TESTS.GIF Solar power - the most deadly form of energy! Jakob |
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:41:06 +0000, Larry wrote:
Red wrote in : There's no doubt about GW and human behavior causing it. There are really two choices.. Not true at all. John Baez, a non-believer Where does it say he is "a non-believer"? "Of course, 1 Celsius ain't much compared to the 15°-20° Celsius cooling throughout the Cenozoic - but it's happening fast, and and it's not over yet! With all the changes the Earth has experienced over its history, one might think one more change is no big deal. In the long run, yes. But the future of humanity depends crucially on what happens in the "short run": the next millennium or two. If we didn't mess around with the climate, our Earth's climate might remain stable for another thousand years or more. As it is, we're bringing on more sudden changes." and brilliant scientist shows you why if you'll look back beyond human existence: http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/temperature/ Actually, on the LONG scale, Earth is in one of its COLD periods and has been for 1.8 million years. How are you going to blame humans and their cars for all these MASSIVE variations the hockey stick Algore love is such a TINY part of? The Earth is COLDER now than it has been most all its life, unless you're a Christian school student who is convinced Earth is only 6000 years old, dispite a mountain of evidence to the contrary.... I can make the temperature rise in my computer room look like a disaster if I baseline it on the last 5 seconds of its existence with the heater turned on.....how stupid! In the last 14,000 years, sea levels have RISEN by 125 METERS and that trend is nearly LINEAR! How are we gonna blame THAT on coal fired power plants and those awful Ford automobiles?? Man's effect on global temperature, sea temperature is damned near immeasurable in the massive changes of the SUN.... What "massive changes of the SUN...."? |
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"Jakob Krutzfeld" wrote in message ... "Capt. JG" wrote in message ... And all the time there are scores of nuclear warships in or near every major US port. Gordon Fortunately, they don't dump their waste in ports. I like New Zealand's policy (not sure if it's changed). They don't allow NPowered ships in their ports. NZ banned nuclear ships and weapons from their waters. At one time this meant every US Navy warship was banned from NZ waters. How could a naval reactor dump any nuclear waste at all? They are self contained 2 stage systems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zea...ntrol_Act_1987 What is so hilarious is that the SUN IS NUCLEAR POWERED (fusion and fisiion) and the WASTE PRODUCTS of these reactions are SPEWED AT THE EARTH and HEAT the EARTH. Exposure to the sun is over 1000 times more deadly than the exposure to working nuclear power plants. Over 10,000 Americans a year die from the effects sun exposu http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/1028043646.html World wide we're looking at about 100,000 deaths annually, that makes about a million people per decade. The atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima killed about 150,000. 30-40 were killed at Chernobyl. Solar power - the most deadly form of energy! Kills more than gas, oil, coal and nuclear combined!! The sun is also heating the earth, the earth is getting hotter to the point of killing all life!! It would take one heck of a lot of atomic bombs to wipe out all life. There have been well over 1,000 atmospheric nuclear bomb tests since 1945 and the earth's population is still growing unchecked!! http://www.brookings.edu/FP/PROJECTS/NUCWCOST/TESTS.GIF Solar power - the most deadly form of energy! Jakob Jon Boy is a liberal. Talking to him is like talking to a bump on a log. Liberals - the most deadly form of ignorance! -- Greg Hall |
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"Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message
... snip What "massive changes of the SUN...."? Well duhhh... it exploded last week. It was on one of the inside pages of the NY Times. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2008 14:52:31 -0800, "Capt. JG"
wrote: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message .. . snip What "massive changes of the SUN...."? Well duhhh... it exploded last week. It was on one of the inside pages of the NY Times. I think Larry's argument goes like this: "We see large temperature changes (over a period of millions and billions of years) so we just assume this must be due to 'massive changes of the SUN', therefore variation of the sun's energy output is proved to be the cause of all temperature changes, then and now" Never mind Lake Agassiz, continents moving, orbit changes, the Earth's axis changing, anomalous thermohaline and other circulations, stratospheric aerosols, etc. etc. I don't call 0.1% or 0.5% changes "massive". He is an idiot or a crook or both. |
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On Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:17:03 GMT, "Dennis Pogson"
wrote: Why aren't boats tested annually? They burn much more fuel than a car. In fact, boat exhaust has hurt people on the water: More fuel than a car?Per hour but not per mile or per year. Any kind of combusion product can hurt people. You can't breathe pure nitrogen, which is what perfect combustion will leave for an atmosphere. Casady |
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On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 10:20:53 -0500, WaIIy wrote:
On Mon, 03 Mar 2008 06:41:06 +0000, Larry wrote: Not true at all. John Baez, a non-believer and brilliant scientist shows you why if you'll look back beyond human existence: You're going to believe a folk singer ? Joan Baez is the singer. As for John, who knows? Casady |
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Capt. JG wrote:
How would you possibly know unless you looked?? The Sierra Club is one of the most non-liberal of all the environmental groups... You are kidding, right? Sierra Club *not* liberal? Jon, your arguments are quite disengenuous, and now downright funny - you could do standup! The preponderance of evidence says that we're causing global warming. No, Jon - the preponderance of *your* politico/religious beliefs in what you've been led to believe about global atmospheric changes is incorrect, and I have told you about a bunch of research you refuse to even investigate to see if I am right or wrong. How about this one: A recent research project discovered some startling data - it was found that certain large wind systems can alter deep ocean currents and cause the ice cap to be subjected to larger-than-normal warm current flows over long periods, causing faster melting. Yet the ice pack is now thicker than this time last year and the earth's temp has gone down. Now your favorite political/religious fanatics are rapidly changing the vocabulary so they can come up with yet another way to scam the public into thinking we are now causing global cooling. Let's see, 1970's - global cooling, 1990's global warming, 2008- global cooling... As John Stossel whould say, give me a break! Look at the sun, Jon, look at the sun - the answer is there! And if you want a primer on how the ozone layer gets a hole in it, google *gamma ray bursts*. One large burst can blow a large hole in the ozone in ten minutes, and it takes approx three years to heal. Prob is, we get an average of one to two large bursts a year and many smaller ones. See if you can swallow that pill with a helping of freon! :) I've pointed you to a fairly benign source that has some interesting information, yet you refuse to look. Once again, the Sierra Club is a far-left fundraising organization of the Democrat party. If you would bother to follow the money trail you would see that. It is not now, nor has it ever been "benign", nor is it particularly interested in saving the environment. It exists to raise funds for that party. I have already told you I do not read fundraising scare tactic material of either party. But you think I'm a bad person because I don't read the stuff from *your* party, and yet you would call me bad names if I read and believed anything from the other party. You are a hypocrite. Instead, you make fun of a political candidate. Seems pretty obvious to me who's mind is closed. You have been making fun of and calling names of anyone who disagrees with any of your political beliefs. You called me a (incorrect) name based on my trying to convey information to you. Will you try to tell me you haven't called President Bush names? That makes you a hypocrite. But I'll explain for your benefit... I called Obama "Osama" because of something *he* himself wrote. It will be of particular importance to you when you find out, and I am going to bring this item up to you again when it comes to light. Now if you can find anything where I insulted his religion (he is Catholic) or his race you let me know. I did, however, allude to some big-time shady deals he may be involved in with several known criminals. Oh, and what about his close friendship with a known and admitted terrorist who tried to blow up and kill U.S. soldiers here on U.S. soil? Should I keep silent about that too? I'm not sure where you're getting religious beliefs, mine or anyone elses, from Once again you're being disengenuous. I have been explaining this concept for probably a year here in this forum. You are practicing a religion when your political views are no longer founded in reality, but instead it becomes *blind faith* - you beleive what you are told to believe by your political party, and anyone who dares disagree with each and every point of your politico/religious beliefs is held as a heretic - just like the Catholics and Muslims and many other religions like Democrats and Republicans do. See Jon, I hate both criminal parties equally, so you can now refrain from calling me those nasty names. -- "j" ganz @@ Red |
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"Red" wrote in message
... You are kidding, right? Sierra Club *not* liberal? Jon, your arguments are quite disengenuous, and now downright funny - you could do standup! I didn't say that and I can see that you're the one being disengenous. I said, "The Sierra Club is one of the most non-liberal of all the environmental groups...." This is a far cry from saying that they aren't liberal. The preponderance of evidence says that we're causing global warming. No, Jon - the preponderance of *your* politico/religious beliefs in what Where are you getting your material? Alan Keyes? Where are you getting this fixation that there's a political/religious agenda in what I've said? This sounds like either your inability to grasp simple language or a genuine desire to look foolish. huge rantish snip I've pointed you to a fairly benign source that has some interesting information, yet you refuse to look. Once again, the Sierra Club is a far-left fundraising organization of the Democrat party. If you would bother to follow the money trail you Hahaha... of the Democratic Party? Don't you mean the Democratic Party is a far-left fundraising organization of the Sierra Club??? ROFL!! more snipping of foolishness Instead, you make fun of a political candidate. Seems pretty obvious to me who's mind is closed. You have been making fun of and calling names of anyone who disagrees with any of your political beliefs. You called me a (incorrect) name You're clearly a right-wingnut, by your own words. I've never denied being a LIBERAL. Why are you denying what's rightfully yours? ROLF based on my trying to convey information to you. Will you try to tell me you haven't called President Bush names? That makes you a hypocrite. But I'll explain for your benefit... I called Obama "Osama" because of something *he* himself wrote. It will be of particular importance to you when you find out, and I am going to bring this item up to you again when it comes to light. I haven't called him a Nazi. And, feel free to show me where Obama referred to himself as Osama! Does claiming this make you a liar? Now if you can find anything where I insulted his religion (he is Catholic) or his race you let me know. I did, however, allude to some big-time shady deals he may be involved in with several known criminals. Several... really? Feel free to list them. ROFL Compared to Bushco?? HAHAHAHAA Oh, and what about his close friendship with a known and admitted terrorist who tried to blow up and kill U.S. soldiers here on U.S. soil? Should I keep silent about that too? No, you should look really foolish and try and make that case! I'm not sure where you're getting religious beliefs, mine or anyone elses, from snip not worth responding to -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Red" wrote in message
... snip Sometimes the truth slips out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8pvU...eature=related -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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"Capt. JG" wrote in
: "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... snip What "massive changes of the SUN...."? Well duhhh... it exploded last week. It was on one of the inside pages of the NY Times. http://www.solarstorms.org/ http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ay_031027.html The solar storm of 1859, strongest one we know about. Telegraphs useless. "During the 1859 flare-up, solar observers logged almost an entire minute during which the amount of sunlight doubled at the region of the flare. "Such a strong white-light flare has never been seen since," says Paal Brekke, SOHO deputy project scientist. "So if this type of flare happened, yes we would know right away." But he adds that the orientation of Earth's magnetic field would not be known. Future space-based observatories could address this blind spot in space weather forecasting." http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SWN/ http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/alerts/index.html http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/alerts/alerts_timeline.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_flare Of course, you'll want the videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU4hpsistDk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YmVB9tbraU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5PJn1Li9UA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZqu-OK9pG8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnqubAGgx2k and for our illegal Mexicans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8K4m0bpm_Q Discovery Channel Perfect Solar Storm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIr6nfwpctA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22H0iiMwjac http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBYGPUpxVco http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRI34cV-xXY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01EdXTjzhvE The nuts will have a field day..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecTE6lXI-m0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZUzFYwZlXA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXAL7cDYTpk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owp7gK34EOw |
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Goofball_star_dot_etal wrote in
: He is an idiot or a crook or both. Yep, that's me. I'm gonna cash in bigtime when the hammer falls....(c; |
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"Larry" wrote in message
... "Capt. JG" wrote in : "Goofball_star_dot_etal" wrote in message ... snip What "massive changes of the SUN...."? Well duhhh... it exploded last week. It was on one of the inside pages of the NY Times. http://www.solarstorms.org/ I hope the Rapture happens soon... I need some new clothes! -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
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Phil Abuster wrote:
In some areas of the country cars undergo rigorous emissions testing - good for the environment, good for people and delaying the inevitable onslaught of global warming. Why aren't boats tested annually? They burn much more fuel than a car. In fact, boat exhaust has hurt people on the water: Hey! I just dropped a brand new Volvo-Penta DI-13 into my boat, it meets EU and California emission requirements! Cheers Marty |
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