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Skip v. Joe: Who is the best captain?
On Feb 21, 6:46*pm, "Wilbur Hubbard"
wrote: : Whered ya learn dat stuff???? : Rhetor Bob University of Missouri School of Journalism circa 1969. *One chooses, then one does. Wilbur Hubbard Your accademic preperation is obvious! Its a difficult task to integrate persuasive patterns in a casual conversation. Good on for you !! Bob |
Skip v. Joe: Who is the best captain?
I started a thread in alt sailing asa but thought it might get a more measured response here. So this is my question. Joe and his Red Cloud v. Skip and his Pig Which do you think is or will make the BEST captain??? Bob |
Skip v. Joe: Who is the best captain?
"Bob" wrote in message
... I started a thread in alt sailing asa but thought it might get a more measured response here. So this is my question. Joe and his Red Cloud v. Skip and his Pig Which do you think is or will make the BEST captain??? Bob There's no way to compare the two... both are/were out there doing it. Both learn from their mistakes and are honest about their experiences. I am limited to the SF bay and environs most of the time, due to work. I envy them both. -- "j" ganz @@ www.sailnow.com |
Skip v. Joe: Who is the best captain?
Capt. JG wrote:
"Bob" wrote in message ... I started a thread in alt sailing asa but thought it might get a more measured response here. So this is my question. Joe and his Red Cloud v. Skip and his Pig Which do you think is or will make the BEST captain??? Bob There's no way to compare the two... both are/were out there doing it. Both learn from their mistakes and are honest about their experiences. I am limited to the SF bay and environs most of the time, due to work. I envy them both. I'll agree with all of that. I admire both and am grateful that they are willing to talk about these things in public. Guts. |
Skip v. Joe: Who is the best captain?
On 2008-02-22 12:28:24 -0500, Bob said:
So this is my question. Joe and his Red Cloud v. Skip and his Pig Which do you think is or will make the BEST captain??? Oh, GAWD, they are so different. But they are out there and doing it. They're better captains than many/most on this list. And I include myself in "many/most", since Pat and I are primarily weekend warriors. -- Jere Lull Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD Xan's pages: http://web.mac.com/jerelull/iWeb/Xan/ Our BVI trips & tips: http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/ |
Skip v. Joe: Who is the best captain?
Jere Lull wrote:
But they are out there and doing it. They're better captains than many/most on this list. What I don't understand is why a small number of posters in this NG feel a need to fling mud at Joe. DSK |
Skip v. Joe: Who is the best captain?
On Feb 22, 10:52 pm, wrote:
Jere Lull wrote: But they are out there and doing it. They're better captains than many/most on this list. What I don't understand is why a small number of posters in this NG feel a need to fling mud at Joe. DSK Hi, Doug, and group, I literally laughed out loud at that. Joe's a latecomer. I'm considering losing weight, encasing the mud I've accumulated over the years in epoxy, wriggling out of the resultant shell, and putting it overboard for a mooring :{)) **** (well, mud, if you prefer), folks were taking potshots at me from the time we even started exploring the concept of a boat, as Jere and Rosalie will recall, nearly, or over, I'm not positive which, 10 years ago. That's partly where the boat name came from - at every stage, it was, "Yeah, right, you'll never (insert define, find, buy, refit, sail, cruise, repair, passagemake) any boat!" :{)) It was bad enough that I had the temerity, in one of my more depressed moments, having just fulfilled one of those requirements, to cut and paste one of the prior feces-laden posts and gave a raspberry :{)) Today, I usually don't bother pointing out the obvious, other than to pull Wilbur's chain occasionally. As I used to say in another group, long ago, y'all have fun; I'm accustomed to the flames and have a crispy crust, so don't notice more of them. Once in a while, I invite my fellow roastees up on the barbie with me :{)) Today, it's going to be another hot one in the Miami area, so I'll dive my hull after we get the holding tank emptied, in prep for our passage to Fernandina Beach, where we'll put the boat on the ground for a while. The hot will allow me to come up cold but feel good in the sun... L8R Skip Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) |
Skip v. Joe: Who is the best captain?
On Feb 23, 4:30*am, Skip Gundlach wrote:
Hi Skip, My vote is that you are the better captain simply because you seem to be a person who ****s up.... evaluates... and moves on. But most important acknoldges the fact you dont know it all and seeks information. In joes case he belives himself an"experinced captain" and becomes defensive when questioned. On the other hand you do not. While you lack experince that is easy to aqire. In joes case he has expience but can not seek alterniatives... hes a one act pony. You take me as a "life long learner" a prerequist for future sucess. Keep on taking these ICW voyages and when you can do that blind folded with no crew.... then it youll be ready for step two... coast wise voyages... steps three and four are best consider much later. Bob |
Skip v. Joe: Who is the best captain?
On Feb 24, 8:05 am, wrote:
On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:47:58 -0800 (PST), Bob wrote: On Feb 23, 4:30 am, Skip Gundlach wrote: Getting a twofer here, thanks to SD's top posting saving me the effort of combining them: ' Skip has a habit of ignoring advice and repeating mistakes. He recently mentioned that once again, he left Lydia on watch and she became distracted and forgot her duties. The first time she did that, they wrecked the boat. This time she was so busy chatting she forgot to keep track of where she was and overshot her destination by quite a bit. Fortunately this time, there were no rocks involved. I wonder how many other times she has "wandered" while left on watch. She may be a brilliant and capable person in other regards, but it does not seem she has the neccessary focus needed to stand a watch on a sailboat by herself. How many times must she prove this for Skip to "get it" and do whatever he has to do to address the problem? And, you, apparently, have a habit of seeking out any potential negative. If you've read the entire series, you see - and yet choose to impute that dereliction of duty reigned - that the assembled were not asleep at the wheel, but actively engaged in enjoying a marvelous sail, and electing to go beyond the prior shift's (which would include me) unilateral decision for a turning point. If I'd been awake and at the helm at the time, I too might have been reluctant to give up on the sailing quite so quickly. NOAA has let us down so often that I tend to grab whatever opportunities present themselves, such as our intentional overshoot of the Miami channel on the way back in from Rodriguez, just as a case in point. In joes case he belives himself an"experinced captain" and becomes defensive when questioned. On the other hand you do not. While you lack experince that is easy to aqire. In joes case he has expience but can not seek alterniatives... hes a one act pony. You take me as a "life long learner" a prerequist for future sucess. Keep on taking these ICW voyages and when you can do that blind folded with no crew.... then it youll be ready for step two... coast wise voyages... steps three and four are best consider much later. Bob Eek! Our initial leg, ~700 miles, back in July, and the various multi- hundred mile "coastwise voyages" legs later, and our upcoming 300 mile leg offshore/coastal, just before a some thousand-plus (FL-Maine) leg when we set out, obviously are ill-advised, as I am reluctant to go anywhere blindfolded, being so dependent on eyeball V1.0 and chart Vx.? along with, in weather suited to it, double computer backups :{)) - so I'll never get the requisite experience to proceed :{)) Meanwhile, as above to all those so inclined, I'm diving again today and expect the mud and slime will brush right off. Oh. Yes, the hull, too :{)) - except for the bottom of the keel, already polished from our bumping a few times on the way back from our holding tank pumping and fuel tank filling yesterday as the tide was nearly out. L8R Love from Skip the ****up and Lydia the inattentive :{)) Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hands. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in The Reluctant Messiah) |
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