On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:43:40 GMT, WaIIy
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:33:52 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

This restriction on the rest of the citizens of the US is strictly to
keep the Miami Cubans voting Republican. Last year when the Dubya
tightened the restrictions on the rest of us he relaxed the rules on the
Miami Cubans.

Glenn, you are usually a reasonable poster. Please don't pull a Krause
and F-Up this group too.

Can't comment much about Cuba other than as a Canadian I can tan my
white arse semi-cheaply on their beaches and enrich their crappy
economy with my three-quarter dollars. G Cuba's popular as a
destination with Canadians, but no more so than half a dozen
non-Communist Dictatorship beauty spots of the Carribean.

But this...obsession...with Cuba on the part of American governments
and Miami grandkids of Batista cronies is looking a little crazy at
this stage. U.S. governments regularly play footsie with bigger
*******s than Castro (who I am under no illusions about, by the way),
and nobody blinks.

The frankly stupid results is that U.S. boaters can't cruise some of
the nicest spots on earth and hang with the generally friendly and
arguably pretty uncorrupted Cuban people...who understand a lot more
about their farcical situation and the real nature of the Castro
regime than most outsiders suspect.

Given the choice between a home-boy dictator, literacy and rations and
foreign gangsters, ignorance and starvation, they keep going for
Castro. What fools they must be, eh?

Anyway, maybe someday Americans will be able to cut through all the BS
on the topic, visit Cuba and decide for themselves.
R.

I agree 100%.
In any country under embargo, the powerful have what they need and want and
the poor are caused to suffer by the embargo, so who is the target?
By the way, I'm an American Military Veteran and ex-Republican who has alot
of trouble walking thanks to a bomb outside Baghdad.
Merlin.
"rhys" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:43:40 GMT, WaIIy
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:33:52 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

This restriction on the rest of the citizens of the US is strictly to
keep the Miami Cubans voting Republican. Last year when the Dubya
tightened the restrictions on the rest of us he relaxed the rules on the
Miami Cubans.

Glenn, you are usually a reasonable poster. Please don't pull a Krause
and F-Up this group too.

Can't comment much about Cuba other than as a Canadian I can tan my
white arse semi-cheaply on their beaches and enrich their crappy
economy with my three-quarter dollars. G Cuba's popular as a
destination with Canadians, but no more so than half a dozen
non-Communist Dictatorship beauty spots of the Carribean.

But this...obsession...with Cuba on the part of American governments
and Miami grandkids of Batista cronies is looking a little crazy at
this stage. U.S. governments regularly play footsie with bigger
*******s than Castro (who I am under no illusions about, by the way),
and nobody blinks.

The frankly stupid results is that U.S. boaters can't cruise some of
the nicest spots on earth and hang with the generally friendly and
arguably pretty uncorrupted Cuban people...who understand a lot more
about their farcical situation and the real nature of the Castro
regime than most outsiders suspect.

Given the choice between a home-boy dictator, literacy and rations and
foreign gangsters, ignorance and starvation, they keep going for
Castro. What fools they must be, eh?

Anyway, maybe someday Americans will be able to cut through all the BS
on the topic, visit Cuba and decide for themselves.
R.

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:22:25 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

I agree 100%.
In any country under embargo, the powerful have what they need and want and
the poor are caused to suffer by the embargo, so who is the target?

The Miami Cuban establishment and people who don't think too deeply
about politics and money, I assume.

By the way, I'm an American Military Veteran and ex-Republican who has alot
of trouble walking thanks to a bomb outside Baghdad.

Sorry to hear that and I hope it doesn't permanently affect your
boating.

I "speak" to a lot of Americans thanks to newsgroups, lists, etc., and
when the conversation strays of-topic into politics, I am hearing from
a lot of "ex-Republicans". We have the same problem in Canada in that
our Conservatives aren't conservative, our Liberals aren't liberal,
and our socialists are beginning to look reasonable only because the
other two parties give money to their pals so heavily that they can't
HELP but be as fiscally responsible as conservatives/Republicans are
SUPPOSED to be. Many "conservatives" today seem to up spending and
slash taxes. Well, a five-year-old can figure out how long that can go
on before it all turns to ****, can't he?

I want to pay enough taxes to fund education, health, safety and
environmental standards. I want my government to resist the urge to
tell me how I can live, what I can do that doesnt' harm others, and to
bribe their pals with patronage appointments and cushy contracts. I
don't mind paying higher taxes if I can see the results in health
care, education and air that's clean(er) and cities that aren't
crumbling. That is not the case, lately.

Obviously, I'm a hopeless idealist, which is why I'm better off
cruising, I guess.

Sounds like politicians and politics are the same eiyther side of the border
Rhys.
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to do away with them all?
I'll have to see about the boating.
Think I'll become an illigal immigrant to Cuba!
Merlin.
"rhys" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:22:25 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

I agree 100%.
In any country under embargo, the powerful have what they need and want
and
the poor are caused to suffer by the embargo, so who is the target?

The Miami Cuban establishment and people who don't think too deeply
about politics and money, I assume.

By the way, I'm an American Military Veteran and ex-Republican who has
alot
of trouble walking thanks to a bomb outside Baghdad.

Sorry to hear that and I hope it doesn't permanently affect your
boating.

I "speak" to a lot of Americans thanks to newsgroups, lists, etc., and
when the conversation strays of-topic into politics, I am hearing from
a lot of "ex-Republicans". We have the same problem in Canada in that
our Conservatives aren't conservative, our Liberals aren't liberal,
and our socialists are beginning to look reasonable only because the
other two parties give money to their pals so heavily that they can't
HELP but be as fiscally responsible as conservatives/Republicans are
SUPPOSED to be. Many "conservatives" today seem to up spending and
slash taxes. Well, a five-year-old can figure out how long that can go
on before it all turns to ****, can't he?

I want to pay enough taxes to fund education, health, safety and
environmental standards. I want my government to resist the urge to
tell me how I can live, what I can do that doesnt' harm others, and to
bribe their pals with patronage appointments and cushy contracts. I
don't mind paying higher taxes if I can see the results in health
care, education and air that's clean(er) and cities that aren't
crumbling. That is not the case, lately.

Obviously, I'm a hopeless idealist, which is why I'm better off
cruising, I guess.

Sounds like politicians and politics are the same eiyther side of the border
Rhys.
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to do away with them all?
I'll have to see about the boating.
Think I'll become an illigal immigrant to Cuba!
Merlin.
"rhys" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:22:25 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

I agree 100%.
In any country under embargo, the powerful have what they need and want
and
the poor are caused to suffer by the embargo, so who is the target?

The Miami Cuban establishment and people who don't think too deeply
about politics and money, I assume.

By the way, I'm an American Military Veteran and ex-Republican who has
alot
of trouble walking thanks to a bomb outside Baghdad.

Sorry to hear that and I hope it doesn't permanently affect your
boating.

I "speak" to a lot of Americans thanks to newsgroups, lists, etc., and
when the conversation strays of-topic into politics, I am hearing from
a lot of "ex-Republicans". We have the same problem in Canada in that
our Conservatives aren't conservative, our Liberals aren't liberal,
and our socialists are beginning to look reasonable only because the
other two parties give money to their pals so heavily that they can't
HELP but be as fiscally responsible as conservatives/Republicans are
SUPPOSED to be. Many "conservatives" today seem to up spending and
slash taxes. Well, a five-year-old can figure out how long that can go
on before it all turns to ****, can't he?

I want to pay enough taxes to fund education, health, safety and
environmental standards. I want my government to resist the urge to
tell me how I can live, what I can do that doesnt' harm others, and to
bribe their pals with patronage appointments and cushy contracts. I
don't mind paying higher taxes if I can see the results in health
care, education and air that's clean(er) and cities that aren't
crumbling. That is not the case, lately.

Obviously, I'm a hopeless idealist, which is why I'm better off
cruising, I guess.

I want to pay enough taxes to fund education, health, safety and
environmental standards. I want my government to resist the urge to
tell me how I can live, what I can do that doesnt' harm others, and to

bribe their pals with patronage appointments and cushy contracts. I don't
mind paying higher taxes if I can see the results in health
care, education and air that's clean(er) and cities that aren't
crumbling. That is not the case, lately.

Obviously, I'm a hopeless idealist, which is why I'm better off
cruising, I guess.


There is place like that. Just cruise to American Samoa. You'll see the
results.

M.

I want to pay enough taxes to fund education, health, safety and
environmental standards. I want my government to resist the urge to
tell me how I can live, what I can do that doesnt' harm others, and to

bribe their pals with patronage appointments and cushy contracts. I don't
mind paying higher taxes if I can see the results in health
care, education and air that's clean(er) and cities that aren't
crumbling. That is not the case, lately.

Obviously, I'm a hopeless idealist, which is why I'm better off
cruising, I guess.


There is place like that. Just cruise to American Samoa. You'll see the
results.

M.

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:22:25 GMT, "MMC" wrote:

I agree 100%.
In any country under embargo, the powerful have what they need and want and
the poor are caused to suffer by the embargo, so who is the target?

The Miami Cuban establishment and people who don't think too deeply
about politics and money, I assume.

By the way, I'm an American Military Veteran and ex-Republican who has alot
of trouble walking thanks to a bomb outside Baghdad.

Sorry to hear that and I hope it doesn't permanently affect your
boating.

I "speak" to a lot of Americans thanks to newsgroups, lists, etc., and
when the conversation strays of-topic into politics, I am hearing from
a lot of "ex-Republicans". We have the same problem in Canada in that
our Conservatives aren't conservative, our Liberals aren't liberal,
and our socialists are beginning to look reasonable only because the
other two parties give money to their pals so heavily that they can't
HELP but be as fiscally responsible as conservatives/Republicans are
SUPPOSED to be. Many "conservatives" today seem to up spending and
slash taxes. Well, a five-year-old can figure out how long that can go
on before it all turns to ****, can't he?

I want to pay enough taxes to fund education, health, safety and
environmental standards. I want my government to resist the urge to
tell me how I can live, what I can do that doesnt' harm others, and to
bribe their pals with patronage appointments and cushy contracts. I
don't mind paying higher taxes if I can see the results in health
care, education and air that's clean(er) and cities that aren't
crumbling. That is not the case, lately.

Obviously, I'm a hopeless idealist, which is why I'm better off
cruising, I guess.

I agree 100%.
In any country under embargo, the powerful have what they need and want and
the poor are caused to suffer by the embargo, so who is the target?
By the way, I'm an American Military Veteran and ex-Republican who has alot
of trouble walking thanks to a bomb outside Baghdad.
Merlin.
"rhys" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 08:43:40 GMT, WaIIy
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 21:33:52 -0500, Glenn Ashmore
wrote:

This restriction on the rest of the citizens of the US is strictly to
keep the Miami Cubans voting Republican. Last year when the Dubya
tightened the restrictions on the rest of us he relaxed the rules on the
Miami Cubans.

Glenn, you are usually a reasonable poster. Please don't pull a Krause
and F-Up this group too.

Can't comment much about Cuba other than as a Canadian I can tan my
white arse semi-cheaply on their beaches and enrich their crappy
economy with my three-quarter dollars. G Cuba's popular as a
destination with Canadians, but no more so than half a dozen
non-Communist Dictatorship beauty spots of the Carribean.

But this...obsession...with Cuba on the part of American governments
and Miami grandkids of Batista cronies is looking a little crazy at
this stage. U.S. governments regularly play footsie with bigger
*******s than Castro (who I am under no illusions about, by the way),
and nobody blinks.

The frankly stupid results is that U.S. boaters can't cruise some of
the nicest spots on earth and hang with the generally friendly and
arguably pretty uncorrupted Cuban people...who understand a lot more
about their farcical situation and the real nature of the Castro
regime than most outsiders suspect.

Given the choice between a home-boy dictator, literacy and rations and
foreign gangsters, ignorance and starvation, they keep going for
Castro. What fools they must be, eh?

Anyway, maybe someday Americans will be able to cut through all the BS
on the topic, visit Cuba and decide for themselves.
R.