Inboard vs Outboard
 

If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

OK, I've got an old 33 footer powered by an Atomic 4...currently in
rebuild mode. Trust me...I've thought of this.


I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

Not necessarily. There's snob appeal and esthetics at work as much as
considerations of efficiency.

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway.

A 15- to 20 HP fourstroke OB iss as powerful as you'd need. Most 30 HP
direct drive IBs put out 17-18 HP at the prop. Speaking of the prop,
you'd want a special one for an OB on a sailboat with a maximum hull
speed of 7 knots (30-32 feet). You want something with bite, not
speed.


The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

Well, if you are sailing most of the time, there's no real issue then.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Things to consider: Where does the gas go? Is the OB permanently hosed
and wired to a control lever near the helm? Does your transom "suit"
an OB? Canoe sterns generally don't, for instance.

The looks of the thing...do you care?

A 15 HP 4-stroke OB is well over 100 lbs.: can you lift it off for
storage? I'll bet a thief and his buddy can.

Advantages: ease of access, reliability, transportability, easy to get
gas, can be lifted clear of the water while sailing, reducing drag.
Can conceivably be used fixed or pivoting, making docking a lot
easier. Rapid response. Can be transferred to a (largish) tender, like
a 10 foot RIB, which is perfect for a 15 HP. Easy to unfoul the prop.
Easy to maintain and get semi-cheap spares. Possible to hand-start.

Disadvantages: Easy to steal, easy to swamp in a seaway, gearing and
prop usually not ideal for sailboat speeds, although this can probably
be remedied, not ideal for prolonged use like Atomic 4s or diesels,
not great with charging batteries, running lights, etc. May interfere
or preclude windvane steering.

I put these points forward for debate, not as uncontestable.
Personally, I think an OB can work on a 30 foot or more boat, but I
usually see them on nothing bigger than a 27 foot C&C that's stripped
for racing. Must be a reason for that....

However, when my Atomic 4 overheated on a cruise in 2000, I was able
to lash my 10' Zodiac to the side of my five ton cruiser and use the
10 HP 1985 Honda 4-stroke to drive the boat at 4 knots for several NM
until we got to our home port. So, yes, it can be done. Burnt a lot
more gas than usual, however G.

R.

Inboard vs Outboard
 

OK, I've got an old 33 footer powered by an Atomic 4...currently in
rebuild mode. Trust me...I've thought of this.


I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

Not necessarily. There's snob appeal and esthetics at work as much as
considerations of efficiency.

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway.

A 15- to 20 HP fourstroke OB iss as powerful as you'd need. Most 30 HP
direct drive IBs put out 17-18 HP at the prop. Speaking of the prop,
you'd want a special one for an OB on a sailboat with a maximum hull
speed of 7 knots (30-32 feet). You want something with bite, not
speed.


The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

Well, if you are sailing most of the time, there's no real issue then.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Things to consider: Where does the gas go? Is the OB permanently hosed
and wired to a control lever near the helm? Does your transom "suit"
an OB? Canoe sterns generally don't, for instance.

The looks of the thing...do you care?

A 15 HP 4-stroke OB is well over 100 lbs.: can you lift it off for
storage? I'll bet a thief and his buddy can.

Advantages: ease of access, reliability, transportability, easy to get
gas, can be lifted clear of the water while sailing, reducing drag.
Can conceivably be used fixed or pivoting, making docking a lot
easier. Rapid response. Can be transferred to a (largish) tender, like
a 10 foot RIB, which is perfect for a 15 HP. Easy to unfoul the prop.
Easy to maintain and get semi-cheap spares. Possible to hand-start.

Disadvantages: Easy to steal, easy to swamp in a seaway, gearing and
prop usually not ideal for sailboat speeds, although this can probably
be remedied, not ideal for prolonged use like Atomic 4s or diesels,
not great with charging batteries, running lights, etc. May interfere
or preclude windvane steering.

I put these points forward for debate, not as uncontestable.
Personally, I think an OB can work on a 30 foot or more boat, but I
usually see them on nothing bigger than a 27 foot C&C that's stripped
for racing. Must be a reason for that....

However, when my Atomic 4 overheated on a cruise in 2000, I was able
to lash my 10' Zodiac to the side of my five ton cruiser and use the
10 HP 1985 Honda 4-stroke to drive the boat at 4 knots for several NM
until we got to our home port. So, yes, it can be done. Burnt a lot
more gas than usual, however G.

R.

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Thanks....you've given me a number of considerations that hadn't occured
to me....fuel storage...theft...etc.
On the other hand, some things aren't a factor, such as a windvane.
Thanks again.
Norm

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:21:56 -0500, rhys wrote:

OK, I've got an old 33 footer powered by an Atomic 4...currently in
rebuild mode. Trust me...I've thought of this.


I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

Not necessarily. There's snob appeal and esthetics at work as much as
considerations of efficiency.

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway.

A 15- to 20 HP fourstroke OB iss as powerful as you'd need. Most 30 HP
direct drive IBs put out 17-18 HP at the prop. Speaking of the prop,
you'd want a special one for an OB on a sailboat with a maximum hull
speed of 7 knots (30-32 feet). You want something with bite, not
speed.


The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

Well, if you are sailing most of the time, there's no real issue then.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Things to consider: Where does the gas go? Is the OB permanently hosed
and wired to a control lever near the helm? Does your transom "suit"
an OB? Canoe sterns generally don't, for instance.

The looks of the thing...do you care?

A 15 HP 4-stroke OB is well over 100 lbs.: can you lift it off for
storage? I'll bet a thief and his buddy can.

Advantages: ease of access, reliability, transportability, easy to get
gas, can be lifted clear of the water while sailing, reducing drag.
Can conceivably be used fixed or pivoting, making docking a lot
easier. Rapid response. Can be transferred to a (largish) tender, like
a 10 foot RIB, which is perfect for a 15 HP. Easy to unfoul the prop.
Easy to maintain and get semi-cheap spares. Possible to hand-start.

Disadvantages: Easy to steal, easy to swamp in a seaway, gearing and
prop usually not ideal for sailboat speeds, although this can probably
be remedied, not ideal for prolonged use like Atomic 4s or diesels,
not great with charging batteries, running lights, etc. May interfere
or preclude windvane steering.

I put these points forward for debate, not as uncontestable.
Personally, I think an OB can work on a 30 foot or more boat, but I
usually see them on nothing bigger than a 27 foot C&C that's stripped
for racing. Must be a reason for that....

However, when my Atomic 4 overheated on a cruise in 2000, I was able
to lash my 10' Zodiac to the side of my five ton cruiser and use the
10 HP 1985 Honda 4-stroke to drive the boat at 4 knots for several NM
until we got to our home port. So, yes, it can be done. Burnt a lot
more gas than usual, however G.

R.

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Thanks....you've given me a number of considerations that hadn't occured
to me....fuel storage...theft...etc.
On the other hand, some things aren't a factor, such as a windvane.
Thanks again.
Norm

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:21:56 -0500, rhys wrote:

OK, I've got an old 33 footer powered by an Atomic 4...currently in
rebuild mode. Trust me...I've thought of this.


I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

Not necessarily. There's snob appeal and esthetics at work as much as
considerations of efficiency.

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway.

A 15- to 20 HP fourstroke OB iss as powerful as you'd need. Most 30 HP
direct drive IBs put out 17-18 HP at the prop. Speaking of the prop,
you'd want a special one for an OB on a sailboat with a maximum hull
speed of 7 knots (30-32 feet). You want something with bite, not
speed.


The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

Well, if you are sailing most of the time, there's no real issue then.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Things to consider: Where does the gas go? Is the OB permanently hosed
and wired to a control lever near the helm? Does your transom "suit"
an OB? Canoe sterns generally don't, for instance.

The looks of the thing...do you care?

A 15 HP 4-stroke OB is well over 100 lbs.: can you lift it off for
storage? I'll bet a thief and his buddy can.

Advantages: ease of access, reliability, transportability, easy to get
gas, can be lifted clear of the water while sailing, reducing drag.
Can conceivably be used fixed or pivoting, making docking a lot
easier. Rapid response. Can be transferred to a (largish) tender, like
a 10 foot RIB, which is perfect for a 15 HP. Easy to unfoul the prop.
Easy to maintain and get semi-cheap spares. Possible to hand-start.

Disadvantages: Easy to steal, easy to swamp in a seaway, gearing and
prop usually not ideal for sailboat speeds, although this can probably
be remedied, not ideal for prolonged use like Atomic 4s or diesels,
not great with charging batteries, running lights, etc. May interfere
or preclude windvane steering.

I put these points forward for debate, not as uncontestable.
Personally, I think an OB can work on a 30 foot or more boat, but I
usually see them on nothing bigger than a 27 foot C&C that's stripped
for racing. Must be a reason for that....

However, when my Atomic 4 overheated on a cruise in 2000, I was able
to lash my 10' Zodiac to the side of my five ton cruiser and use the
10 HP 1985 Honda 4-stroke to drive the boat at 4 knots for several NM
until we got to our home port. So, yes, it can be done. Burnt a lot
more gas than usual, however G.

R.

Inboard vs Outboard
 

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:20:52 -0800, engsol
wrote:

Thanks....you've given me a number of considerations that hadn't occured
to me....fuel storage...theft...etc.
On the other hand, some things aren't a factor, such as a windvane.
Thanks again.
Norm

My pleasure. I can't answer my own question as to why boats over 27'
rarely, if ever, feature an outboard, but as I've lost significant
sailing time in the last few years due to mishaps with my inboard
engine, it certainly has occurred to me. In my case, with a pinched
reverse transom IOR-style stern, an outboard and its pivoting mount
would adversely affect its looks, and I like the boat's looks...

Oh, here's another downside: a lot of weight in the stern can affect
the balance of the boat and lead to unnecessary or undesirable
"hobbyhorsing" in certain sea conditions. To a degree, this is offset
by a high ballast ratio which on some older racer-cruisers is 40-50%,
but other models would "feel" 100-120 lbs. off the stern more than
others, just as they would "feel" 200 feet of chain and a 66 lb. Bruce
anchor at the bow.

That's why you'd want to strike a balance between OB power and getting
it off the stern: the trim settings of an OB can mitigate somewhat its
weight, but when it's off and stowed out of the water, it's like
having a woman hanging off the stern rail.

Which may appeal...I dunno...G

R.

Inboard vs Outboard
 

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:20:52 -0800, engsol
wrote:

Thanks....you've given me a number of considerations that hadn't occured
to me....fuel storage...theft...etc.
On the other hand, some things aren't a factor, such as a windvane.
Thanks again.
Norm

My pleasure. I can't answer my own question as to why boats over 27'
rarely, if ever, feature an outboard, but as I've lost significant
sailing time in the last few years due to mishaps with my inboard
engine, it certainly has occurred to me. In my case, with a pinched
reverse transom IOR-style stern, an outboard and its pivoting mount
would adversely affect its looks, and I like the boat's looks...

Oh, here's another downside: a lot of weight in the stern can affect
the balance of the boat and lead to unnecessary or undesirable
"hobbyhorsing" in certain sea conditions. To a degree, this is offset
by a high ballast ratio which on some older racer-cruisers is 40-50%,
but other models would "feel" 100-120 lbs. off the stern more than
others, just as they would "feel" 200 feet of chain and a 66 lb. Bruce
anchor at the bow.

That's why you'd want to strike a balance between OB power and getting
it off the stern: the trim settings of an OB can mitigate somewhat its
weight, but when it's off and stowed out of the water, it's like
having a woman hanging off the stern rail.

Which may appeal...I dunno...G

R.

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Well ... I'm definitely no expert but just had to join in :-). I'd go
outboard in this situation with logic as follows ... safe haven close by,
you can pick up a used outboard for next to nothing and if it was me, that's
what I would do and consider it a throwaway if something goes really wrong.
And if a repair is required, just drop it off and go sailing ... maybe even
beg a loaner off the shop. All they're used for around here is to get out of
the boat basin ... and that doesn't take much hp given a sailboats hull
design and efficiency once it gets moving. Geez ... those things move
forward with a gentle breeze applied to the hull :-)


"engsol" wrote in message
...
If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of
boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Well ... I'm definitely no expert but just had to join in :-). I'd go
outboard in this situation with logic as follows ... safe haven close by,
you can pick up a used outboard for next to nothing and if it was me, that's
what I would do and consider it a throwaway if something goes really wrong.
And if a repair is required, just drop it off and go sailing ... maybe even
beg a loaner off the shop. All they're used for around here is to get out of
the boat basin ... and that doesn't take much hp given a sailboats hull
design and efficiency once it gets moving. Geez ... those things move
forward with a gentle breeze applied to the hull :-)


"engsol" wrote in message
...
If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of
boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Norm,
Let me start by saying that my current boat is a 4600# 26ft Lod center
board sloop. It has a 10Hp long shaft electric start on a movable mount.

I know nothing about your home water.

I never thought I would have and outboard for an auxiliary, but I do now.

The only time it gets bad is when you have to power in an inlet that has
rollers coming out. Other than that I'm usually sailing because I can't
power the much over 6.0 but if it is blowing at all I can make 6.4-5.

Bad things:
The engine is where you don't want weight.
The prop is too close to the surface and all that stuff.
It can be stolen, but a McGard bolt will make that really tough.

Good things:
New outboards are stone reliable (at least as good as an A4 - ever)
(and they can most all be started when your battery is down)
If (when)it needs attention you don't have to try to fit in the little
hole it is crammed into. You can even take it ashore and either fix it
yourself or tell someone "here - fix it, make it all better and give it
back" You even can barrow an engine if needed.
The shaft packing never drips.

Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e" S2-7.9 #1
Lifelong Waterman, Licensed Mariner and Pathological Sailor


engsol wrote:

If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Norm,
Let me start by saying that my current boat is a 4600# 26ft Lod center
board sloop. It has a 10Hp long shaft electric start on a movable mount.

I know nothing about your home water.

I never thought I would have and outboard for an auxiliary, but I do now.

The only time it gets bad is when you have to power in an inlet that has
rollers coming out. Other than that I'm usually sailing because I can't
power the much over 6.0 but if it is blowing at all I can make 6.4-5.

Bad things:
The engine is where you don't want weight.
The prop is too close to the surface and all that stuff.
It can be stolen, but a McGard bolt will make that really tough.

Good things:
New outboards are stone reliable (at least as good as an A4 - ever)
(and they can most all be started when your battery is down)
If (when)it needs attention you don't have to try to fit in the little
hole it is crammed into. You can even take it ashore and either fix it
yourself or tell someone "here - fix it, make it all better and give it
back" You even can barrow an engine if needed.
The shaft packing never drips.

Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e" S2-7.9 #1
Lifelong Waterman, Licensed Mariner and Pathological Sailor


engsol wrote:

If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:44:42 GMT, "bowgus" wrote:

Well ... I'm definitely no expert but just had to join in :-). I'd go
outboard in this situation with logic as follows ... safe haven close by,
you can pick up a used outboard for next to nothing and if it was me, that's
what I would do and consider it a throwaway if something goes really wrong.
And if a repair is required, just drop it off and go sailing ... maybe even
beg a loaner off the shop. All they're used for around here is to get out of
the boat basin ... and that doesn't take much hp given a sailboats hull
design and efficiency once it gets moving. Geez ... those things move
forward with a gentle breeze applied to the hull :-)

Well, of course you are right, and until post WWII a lot of smaller
(under 50') boats had no auxiliaries at all, as they were considered
dangerous (paraffin, gas) or balky and too heavy (diesel).

You only need a motor on a sailboat for passagemaking, getting in and
out of confined spots like some wind-locked basins, and to charge
batteries. If you needed to "power" into a basin in heavy weather, for
instance, you might use close to 100% of your available thrust, but
our grandparents used to run or claw offshore or drop anchor. These
days, many of us have to "be somewhere", and the engine helps that
happen.

Maybe the problem is not in our boats, but in ourselves....

R.

Inboard vs Outboard
 

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 20:44:42 GMT, "bowgus" wrote:

Well ... I'm definitely no expert but just had to join in :-). I'd go
outboard in this situation with logic as follows ... safe haven close by,
you can pick up a used outboard for next to nothing and if it was me, that's
what I would do and consider it a throwaway if something goes really wrong.
And if a repair is required, just drop it off and go sailing ... maybe even
beg a loaner off the shop. All they're used for around here is to get out of
the boat basin ... and that doesn't take much hp given a sailboats hull
design and efficiency once it gets moving. Geez ... those things move
forward with a gentle breeze applied to the hull :-)

Well, of course you are right, and until post WWII a lot of smaller
(under 50') boats had no auxiliaries at all, as they were considered
dangerous (paraffin, gas) or balky and too heavy (diesel).

You only need a motor on a sailboat for passagemaking, getting in and
out of confined spots like some wind-locked basins, and to charge
batteries. If you needed to "power" into a basin in heavy weather, for
instance, you might use close to 100% of your available thrust, but
our grandparents used to run or claw offshore or drop anchor. These
days, many of us have to "be somewhere", and the engine helps that
happen.

Maybe the problem is not in our boats, but in ourselves....

R.

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Are you a sailing sailboater or a motoring sailboater?
Could make the difference.
G
"engsol" wrote in message
...
If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of
boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Are you a sailing sailboater or a motoring sailboater?
Could make the difference.
G
"engsol" wrote in message
...
If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of
boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Comments interspersed throughout:
"rhys" wrote in message
...
OK, I've got an old 33 footer powered by an Atomic 4...currently in
rebuild mode. Trust me...I've thought of this.


I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of
boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

snipped some good bits that were here

Advantages: ease of access,

Debateable actually, if you're out sailing and the weather is deteriorating,
say it's starting to rain and blow and you are having engine troubles, try
working on that 100 lb outboard while its hanging over the stern in the wind
and the rain. See what I mean? Not too hard to loose some small part or
tool overboard. With an inboard you're down below, probably uncomfortable
and dropping things, but they are still in the boat and you aren't opening
the engine to rain and spray.

more god bits snipped

Disadvantages: Easy to steal, easy to swamp in a seaway,

I've been out in a 35 footer (40% ballast ratio) in a lake on days when
occasionally water came over the stern from pitching while motoring into a
strong wind. I have a feeling that would be the end of the OB, especially
with the increased hobbyhorsing you'd get with all that extra weight so far
aft alternately lifting the prop out of the water and then driving it back
in.

more good bits snipped here

"rhys" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:20:52 -0800, engsol
wrote:

Thanks....you've given me a number of considerations that hadn't occured
to me....fuel storage...theft...etc.
On the other hand, some things aren't a factor, such as a windvane.
Thanks again.
Norm

My pleasure. I can't answer my own question as to why boats over 27'
rarely, if ever, feature an outboard, but as I've lost significant
sailing time in the last few years due to mishaps with my inboard
engine, it certainly has occurred to me. In my case, with a pinched
reverse transom IOR-style stern, an outboard and its pivoting mount
would adversely affect its looks, and I like the boat's looks...

Oh, here's another downside: a lot of weight in the stern can affect
the balance of the boat and lead to unnecessary or undesirable
"hobbyhorsing" in certain sea conditions. To a degree, this is offset
by a high ballast ratio which on some older racer-cruisers is 40-50%,
but other models would "feel" 100-120 lbs. off the stern more than
others, just as they would "feel" 200 feet of chain and a 66 lb. Bruce
anchor at the bow.

That's why you'd want to strike a balance between OB power and getting
it off the stern: the trim settings of an OB can mitigate somewhat its
weight, but when it's off and stowed out of the water, it's like
having a woman hanging off the stern rail.

Which may appeal...I dunno...G

R.

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Comments interspersed throughout:
"rhys" wrote in message
...
OK, I've got an old 33 footer powered by an Atomic 4...currently in
rebuild mode. Trust me...I've thought of this.


I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of
boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

snipped some good bits that were here

Advantages: ease of access,

Debateable actually, if you're out sailing and the weather is deteriorating,
say it's starting to rain and blow and you are having engine troubles, try
working on that 100 lb outboard while its hanging over the stern in the wind
and the rain. See what I mean? Not too hard to loose some small part or
tool overboard. With an inboard you're down below, probably uncomfortable
and dropping things, but they are still in the boat and you aren't opening
the engine to rain and spray.

more god bits snipped

Disadvantages: Easy to steal, easy to swamp in a seaway,

I've been out in a 35 footer (40% ballast ratio) in a lake on days when
occasionally water came over the stern from pitching while motoring into a
strong wind. I have a feeling that would be the end of the OB, especially
with the increased hobbyhorsing you'd get with all that extra weight so far
aft alternately lifting the prop out of the water and then driving it back
in.

more good bits snipped here

"rhys" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:20:52 -0800, engsol
wrote:

Thanks....you've given me a number of considerations that hadn't occured
to me....fuel storage...theft...etc.
On the other hand, some things aren't a factor, such as a windvane.
Thanks again.
Norm

My pleasure. I can't answer my own question as to why boats over 27'
rarely, if ever, feature an outboard, but as I've lost significant
sailing time in the last few years due to mishaps with my inboard
engine, it certainly has occurred to me. In my case, with a pinched
reverse transom IOR-style stern, an outboard and its pivoting mount
would adversely affect its looks, and I like the boat's looks...

Oh, here's another downside: a lot of weight in the stern can affect
the balance of the boat and lead to unnecessary or undesirable
"hobbyhorsing" in certain sea conditions. To a degree, this is offset
by a high ballast ratio which on some older racer-cruisers is 40-50%,
but other models would "feel" 100-120 lbs. off the stern more than
others, just as they would "feel" 200 feet of chain and a 66 lb. Bruce
anchor at the bow.

That's why you'd want to strike a balance between OB power and getting
it off the stern: the trim settings of an OB can mitigate somewhat its
weight, but when it's off and stowed out of the water, it's like
having a woman hanging off the stern rail.

Which may appeal...I dunno...G

R.

Inboard vs Outboard
 

I had a 7.5 HP and a 3.5 HP outboard(s) on my old 24ft sloop in Puget
Sound and I never had a problem. If it needed work I'd just pull it
off and take it to the shop. Sometimes I would motor for hour's. I
liked it. I got good at docking and having one hand on the engine
throttle and the other on the tiller. After I had motored out of the
marina I would turn off the engine and while laying on my stomach off
the transom and pull the motor bracket to the up position so that the
long shaft lower unit was out of the water for less drag.

But this could be a difficult reach on a 30' boat with more freeboard
as a bigger boat may be higher off the water. Depend's on the boat.

engsol wrote in message . ..
If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

I had a 7.5 HP and a 3.5 HP outboard(s) on my old 24ft sloop in Puget
Sound and I never had a problem. If it needed work I'd just pull it
off and take it to the shop. Sometimes I would motor for hour's. I
liked it. I got good at docking and having one hand on the engine
throttle and the other on the tiller. After I had motored out of the
marina I would turn off the engine and while laying on my stomach off
the transom and pull the motor bracket to the up position so that the
long shaft lower unit was out of the water for less drag.

But this could be a difficult reach on a 30' boat with more freeboard
as a bigger boat may be higher off the water. Depend's on the boat.

engsol wrote in message . ..
If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

OB prop more likely to leave water if pitching in large waves.

====

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====

"engsol" wrote in message
...
Thanks....you've given me a number of considerations that hadn't occured
to me....fuel storage...theft...etc.
On the other hand, some things aren't a factor, such as a windvane.
Thanks again.
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

OB prop more likely to leave water if pitching in large waves.

====

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www.boatdocking.com/BDPhoto.html - Photo Contest
www.boatdocking.com
www.ctlow.ca/Trojan26 - my boat

====

"engsol" wrote in message
...
Thanks....you've given me a number of considerations that hadn't occured
to me....fuel storage...theft...etc.
On the other hand, some things aren't a factor, such as a windvane.
Thanks again.
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

An OB will give you a little weight, up atop the transom.

An IB would provide a greater mass, and place it well down in the hull.

It would seem to me that the lower COG would be a benefit, but I guess that
would depend whether the actual mounting is below the current effective COG.

I'd think most NA's would consider the weight and mass of an inboard when
designing a boat, so in some cases it might be foolish to actually remove an
existing inboard when making a swtich to OB power.

Diesel is an option with an inboard, not really so with an outboard. Just the
diesel vs. gas equation should make the inboard more reliable than the
outboard.

Inboard vs Outboard
 

An OB will give you a little weight, up atop the transom.

An IB would provide a greater mass, and place it well down in the hull.

It would seem to me that the lower COG would be a benefit, but I guess that
would depend whether the actual mounting is below the current effective COG.

I'd think most NA's would consider the weight and mass of an inboard when
designing a boat, so in some cases it might be foolish to actually remove an
existing inboard when making a swtich to OB power.

Diesel is an option with an inboard, not really so with an outboard. Just the
diesel vs. gas equation should make the inboard more reliable than the
outboard.

Inboard vs Outboard
 

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:33:33 -0400, "Ken Heaton"
wrote:

Advantages: ease of access,

Debateable actually, if you're out sailing and the weather is deteriorating,
say it's starting to rain and blow and you are having engine troubles, try
working on that 100 lb outboard while its hanging over the stern in the wind
and the rain. See what I mean? Not too hard to loose some small part or
tool overboard. With an inboard you're down below, probably uncomfortable
and dropping things, but they are still in the boat and you aren't opening
the engine to rain and spray.

I agree...I was referring more to the access while at dock...you can
lash a pram under the transom and with a bucket and small tool kit, do
90% of your maintenance in the nice fresh air and sunshine, instead of
in a dimly lit cave.


more god bits snipped

Man, and I thought crucifixion was nasty...god bits, indeed!

R.

Inboard vs Outboard
 

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:33:33 -0400, "Ken Heaton"
wrote:

Advantages: ease of access,

Debateable actually, if you're out sailing and the weather is deteriorating,
say it's starting to rain and blow and you are having engine troubles, try
working on that 100 lb outboard while its hanging over the stern in the wind
and the rain. See what I mean? Not too hard to loose some small part or
tool overboard. With an inboard you're down below, probably uncomfortable
and dropping things, but they are still in the boat and you aren't opening
the engine to rain and spray.

I agree...I was referring more to the access while at dock...you can
lash a pram under the transom and with a bucket and small tool kit, do
90% of your maintenance in the nice fresh air and sunshine, instead of
in a dimly lit cave.


more god bits snipped

Man, and I thought crucifixion was nasty...god bits, indeed!

R.

Inboard vs Outboard
 

I use a Yamaha T9.9 four stroke on my 26' sloop. On the second boat 31' LOD
I use an inboard diesel. Both out of PortTownsend. For the San Juans you
definitely need an engine but both will work. Inboard takes up inside space
diesel is safer. Outboard gives you more internal room but gas is more
dangerous. Diesels last at least 10 times as long as outboards in terms of
engine hours. If you go inboard use diesel not gas. If you go outboard use
four stroke with a reduction gear and a long shaft not a two stroke. Both
work fine.

M.

PS You want a ready to go boat or one that needs a bit of work?


"engsol" wrote in message
...
If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of
boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

I use a Yamaha T9.9 four stroke on my 26' sloop. On the second boat 31' LOD
I use an inboard diesel. Both out of PortTownsend. For the San Juans you
definitely need an engine but both will work. Inboard takes up inside space
diesel is safer. Outboard gives you more internal room but gas is more
dangerous. Diesels last at least 10 times as long as outboards in terms of
engine hours. If you go inboard use diesel not gas. If you go outboard use
four stroke with a reduction gear and a long shaft not a two stroke. Both
work fine.

M.

PS You want a ready to go boat or one that needs a bit of work?


"engsol" wrote in message
...
If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of
boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

M,
Thanks for the advice. It's right in line with other good responses to my query.
A light-weight OB might be OK as a backup, but I have to admit I like the
safety of diesel.

As to the boat condition, I'm willing to trade my sweat for a lower price. As odd as it may sound,
(I can hear the old-timers groaning), I'm looking forward to working on my boat and learning how
to repair and maintain her.

Have any leads or pointers?
Norm

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:34:41 -0800, "Michael" wrote:

I use a Yamaha T9.9 four stroke on my 26' sloop. On the second boat 31' LOD
I use an inboard diesel. Both out of PortTownsend. For the San Juans you
definitely need an engine but both will work. Inboard takes up inside space
diesel is safer. Outboard gives you more internal room but gas is more
dangerous. Diesels last at least 10 times as long as outboards in terms of
engine hours. If you go inboard use diesel not gas. If you go outboard use
four stroke with a reduction gear and a long shaft not a two stroke. Both
work fine.

M.

PS You want a ready to go boat or one that needs a bit of work?


"engsol" wrote in message
.. .
If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of
boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

M,
Thanks for the advice. It's right in line with other good responses to my query.
A light-weight OB might be OK as a backup, but I have to admit I like the
safety of diesel.

As to the boat condition, I'm willing to trade my sweat for a lower price. As odd as it may sound,
(I can hear the old-timers groaning), I'm looking forward to working on my boat and learning how
to repair and maintain her.

Have any leads or pointers?
Norm

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:34:41 -0800, "Michael" wrote:

I use a Yamaha T9.9 four stroke on my 26' sloop. On the second boat 31' LOD
I use an inboard diesel. Both out of PortTownsend. For the San Juans you
definitely need an engine but both will work. Inboard takes up inside space
diesel is safer. Outboard gives you more internal room but gas is more
dangerous. Diesels last at least 10 times as long as outboards in terms of
engine hours. If you go inboard use diesel not gas. If you go outboard use
four stroke with a reduction gear and a long shaft not a two stroke. Both
work fine.

M.

PS You want a ready to go boat or one that needs a bit of work?


"engsol" wrote in message
.. .
If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of
boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Norm, I know of a boat that you may like at Everett Marina. An older
man own's it and is unable to take it out anymore. He show's up every
summer on weekends to hang-out on it. Told me once he'd probably
almost give it to the right person. Email me for directions. (it has
an inboard)


engsol wrote in message . ..
If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Norm, I know of a boat that you may like at Everett Marina. An older
man own's it and is unable to take it out anymore. He show's up every
summer on weekends to hang-out on it. Told me once he'd probably
almost give it to the right person. Email me for directions. (it has
an inboard)


engsol wrote in message . ..
If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

In article ,
engsol wrote:

If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Our boat came as inboard or outboard and I'm in regular contact with a
sister who has the outboard.

For "short" distances, particularly if you're not in a hurry, the
outboard is just fine. If you might like to go far and "fast", inboard
is the way to go.

I'm somewhat arbitrarily thinking 25 nm and 5-5.5 knots as short, and
up to 70-80 nm at 6 knots (on our hull speed of 6.6) as fast.

"not in a hurry" includes: "If it ain't fun, it ain't fun and I'm
parking it until it GETS fun!" (AKA cruising)

An outboard will require alternate charging unless you're VERY frugal.
In a heavy slog, the prop will come out of the water more often than
anyone likes. A larger than needed outboard not only gives you the punch
to go fast if you have to, but will last longer.

For our purposes, I'd want an diesel inboard. But I lust after the
cavernous stowage our sister has under the cockpit. I think you could
park a small car in there.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Inboard vs Outboard
 

In article ,
engsol wrote:

If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Our boat came as inboard or outboard and I'm in regular contact with a
sister who has the outboard.

For "short" distances, particularly if you're not in a hurry, the
outboard is just fine. If you might like to go far and "fast", inboard
is the way to go.

I'm somewhat arbitrarily thinking 25 nm and 5-5.5 knots as short, and
up to 70-80 nm at 6 knots (on our hull speed of 6.6) as fast.

"not in a hurry" includes: "If it ain't fun, it ain't fun and I'm
parking it until it GETS fun!" (AKA cruising)

An outboard will require alternate charging unless you're VERY frugal.
In a heavy slog, the prop will come out of the water more often than
anyone likes. A larger than needed outboard not only gives you the punch
to go fast if you have to, but will last longer.

For our purposes, I'd want an diesel inboard. But I lust after the
cavernous stowage our sister has under the cockpit. I think you could
park a small car in there.

--
Jere Lull
Xan-a-Deux ('73 Tanzer 28 #4 out of Tolchester, MD)
Xan's Pages: http://members.dca.net/jerelull/X-Main.html
Our BVI FAQs (290+ pics) http://homepage.mac.com/jerelull/BVI/

Inboard vs Outboard
 

If you don't find anything by end of June send me an email. I'm heading out
to work on a freighter until then. I have a 26' Westerly Centaur which is
what I'll term an advanced project boat. I used her for three years and now
she's on the dry and does need some work. In my case I could have her back
sailing in three weeks. Except I bought the next size larger a Westerly
Berwick. The Centaur will be available in July when I get back with or
without the T9.9 Yamaha. Can you wire a 12 volt system? Can you finish off
a cabin interior. That's the bulk of it.

M.




"engsol" wrote in message
...
M,
Thanks for the advice. It's right in line with other good responses to my
query.
A light-weight OB might be OK as a backup, but I have to admit I like the
safety of diesel.

As to the boat condition, I'm willing to trade my sweat for a lower price.
As odd as it may sound,
(I can hear the old-timers groaning), I'm looking forward to working on my
boat and learning how
to repair and maintain her.

Have any leads or pointers?
Norm

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:34:41 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

I use a Yamaha T9.9 four stroke on my 26' sloop. On the second boat 31'
LOD
I use an inboard diesel. Both out of PortTownsend. For the San Juans you
definitely need an engine but both will work. Inboard takes up inside
space
diesel is safer. Outboard gives you more internal room but gas is more
dangerous. Diesels last at least 10 times as long as outboards in terms
of
engine hours. If you go inboard use diesel not gas. If you go outboard
use
four stroke with a reduction gear and a long shaft not a two stroke.
Both
work fine.

M.

PS You want a ready to go boat or one that needs a bit of work?


"engsol" wrote in message
.. .
If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number
of
boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB.
But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite
sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely
more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

If you don't find anything by end of June send me an email. I'm heading out
to work on a freighter until then. I have a 26' Westerly Centaur which is
what I'll term an advanced project boat. I used her for three years and now
she's on the dry and does need some work. In my case I could have her back
sailing in three weeks. Except I bought the next size larger a Westerly
Berwick. The Centaur will be available in July when I get back with or
without the T9.9 Yamaha. Can you wire a 12 volt system? Can you finish off
a cabin interior. That's the bulk of it.

M.




"engsol" wrote in message
...
M,
Thanks for the advice. It's right in line with other good responses to my
query.
A light-weight OB might be OK as a backup, but I have to admit I like the
safety of diesel.

As to the boat condition, I'm willing to trade my sweat for a lower price.
As odd as it may sound,
(I can hear the old-timers groaning), I'm looking forward to working on my
boat and learning how
to repair and maintain her.

Have any leads or pointers?
Norm

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 19:34:41 -0800, "Michael"
wrote:

I use a Yamaha T9.9 four stroke on my 26' sloop. On the second boat 31'
LOD
I use an inboard diesel. Both out of PortTownsend. For the San Juans you
definitely need an engine but both will work. Inboard takes up inside
space
diesel is safer. Outboard gives you more internal room but gas is more
dangerous. Diesels last at least 10 times as long as outboards in terms
of
engine hours. If you go inboard use diesel not gas. If you go outboard
use
four stroke with a reduction gear and a long shaft not a two stroke.
Both
work fine.

M.

PS You want a ready to go boat or one that needs a bit of work?


"engsol" wrote in message
.. .
If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number
of
boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB.
But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a
seaway. The area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite
sheltered....
wind chop, but seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely
more
than 4 - 5 hours away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?

Thanks,
Norm

Inboard vs Outboard
 

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:20:46 +0000, engsol wrote:

If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor, I'll have
to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats in my price
range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But then I got to
wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a seaway. The
area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered.... wind chop, but
seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more than 4 - 5 hours
away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?


Well, most of my points have already been covered, but I'll add them anyway...

The only advantage I can think of with an outboard is cost: I just dropped $10K
CDN on a 26hp inboard diesel, and you can buy a 25hp 4-stroke outboard for about
1/3 of that. Then again, my old engine was 20 years old and had about 4000 hrs on
it...

Disadvantages?
- Prop leaves the water when in waves. This includes wakes from larger boats
such as ferries or tugs, and is worse the larger the boat is (one reason you
don't see many OBs on larger boats)
- Access for repairs, etc. when at sea is hazardous at best.
- Doesn't charge batteries well (My new engine has 71 Amp alternator)
- Is raw-water cooled, so even if you flush it after each use, it's not good for
more than 5 years or so in salt water.
- You can't heat domestic water with it
- not available in diesel

I don't think the swamping issue is significant in San Juans, although you might
get a rogue wave or wake that would temporarily swamp it.

So unless you're using the boat as a glorified day-sailor (A friend use to call
them "sammich-anna-sixpack sailors"), I'd say the inboard is a better bet.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

Inboard vs Outboard
 

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:20:46 +0000, engsol wrote:

If this has been beat to death before, my apology.

I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor, I'll have
to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number of boats in my price
range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB. But then I got to
wondering...should I do so?

The advantage of an OB is cost, doesn't take up interior room, at least
semi-reliable these days. But then I wonder about enough power in a seaway. The
area I plan to sail (San Juan Islands) is quite sheltered.... wind chop, but
seldom any significant swells. A safe haven is rarely more than 4 - 5 hours
away.

So what am I missing, or haven't thought of, as regards to OB power?


Well, most of my points have already been covered, but I'll add them anyway...

The only advantage I can think of with an outboard is cost: I just dropped $10K
CDN on a 26hp inboard diesel, and you can buy a 25hp 4-stroke outboard for about
1/3 of that. Then again, my old engine was 20 years old and had about 4000 hrs on
it...

Disadvantages?
- Prop leaves the water when in waves. This includes wakes from larger boats
such as ferries or tugs, and is worse the larger the boat is (one reason you
don't see many OBs on larger boats)
- Access for repairs, etc. when at sea is hazardous at best.
- Doesn't charge batteries well (My new engine has 71 Amp alternator)
- Is raw-water cooled, so even if you flush it after each use, it's not good for
more than 5 years or so in salt water.
- You can't heat domestic water with it
- not available in diesel

I don't think the swamping issue is significant in San Juans, although you might
get a rogue wave or wake that would temporarily swamp it.

So unless you're using the boat as a glorified day-sailor (A friend use to call
them "sammich-anna-sixpack sailors"), I'd say the inboard is a better bet.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Comments below:
wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:33:33 -0400, "Ken Heaton"

wrote:

Comments interspersed throughout:
"rhys" wrote in message
.. .
OK, I've got an old 33 footer powered by an Atomic 4...currently in
rebuild mode. Trust me...I've thought of this.


I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number
of
boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB.
But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

snipped some good bits that were here

Advantages: ease of access,

Debateable actually, if you're out sailing and the weather is
deteriorating,
say it's starting to rain and blow and you are having engine troubles,
try
working on that 100 lb outboard while its hanging over the stern in the
wind
and the rain. See what I mean? Not too hard to loose some small part or
tool overboard. With an inboard you're down below, probably
uncomfortable
and dropping things, but they are still in the boat and you aren't
opening
the engine to rain and spray.


If you are on a sailboat, and it's "blowing", why on earth do you need the
motor?

BB

Many boaters need their motor for the last bit of their sail to re-enter a
marina, etc. Some things are tricky to do with sails alone, especially if
its blowing and you are short handed. If you are having motor problems you
are going to try to get it running while sailing with some sea room, no?
--
Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
Cape Breton Island, Canada
kenheaton AT ess wye dee DOT eastlink DOT ca

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Comments below:
wrote in message
...
On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:33:33 -0400, "Ken Heaton"

wrote:

Comments interspersed throughout:
"rhys" wrote in message
.. .
OK, I've got an old 33 footer powered by an Atomic 4...currently in
rebuild mode. Trust me...I've thought of this.


I'm looking for a boat to enjoy upon retirement this May. Being poor,
I'll have to settle for an older boat, 30-32 feet. I've seen a number
of
boats
in my price range on my list, but have rejected the ones with an OB.
But
then I got to wondering...should I do so?

snipped some good bits that were here

Advantages: ease of access,

Debateable actually, if you're out sailing and the weather is
deteriorating,
say it's starting to rain and blow and you are having engine troubles,
try
working on that 100 lb outboard while its hanging over the stern in the
wind
and the rain. See what I mean? Not too hard to loose some small part or
tool overboard. With an inboard you're down below, probably
uncomfortable
and dropping things, but they are still in the boat and you aren't
opening
the engine to rain and spray.


If you are on a sailboat, and it's "blowing", why on earth do you need the
motor?

BB

Many boaters need their motor for the last bit of their sail to re-enter a
marina, etc. Some things are tricky to do with sails alone, especially if
its blowing and you are short handed. If you are having motor problems you
are going to try to get it running while sailing with some sea room, no?
--
Ken Heaton & Anne Tobin
Cape Breton Island, Canada
kenheaton AT ess wye dee DOT eastlink DOT ca

Inboard vs Outboard
 

Many boaters need their motor for the last bit of their sail to re-enter a
marina, etc. Some things are tricky to do with sails alone, especially if
its blowing and you are short handed.

turn around and go back offshore. If you are having engine problems (unlikely
for most modern outboard engines, but rather more likely with a crudded up
diesel fuel tank) and you manage to get the engine running is STILL far more
likely to have continuing engine problems.

If you are entering a marina in a blow and you are worried about your engine
you used bad judgement. If you used bad judgement, an outboard is more
reliable than your inboard with a precise fuel system with known junk in the
fuel tank.