Canadian buying an American Boat
 

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm NOT planning to
bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Ed

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

It is typical for a state to require you to register a vessel that remains in
state waters beyond a statuatory period of time.
90-days is a common time frame.

You can probably show your Canadian address on the registration. The tax man's
issue is "where's the boat?" not "where's the owner?"

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

It is typical for a state to require you to register a vessel that remains in
state waters beyond a statuatory period of time.
90-days is a common time frame.

You can probably show your Canadian address on the registration. The tax man's
issue is "where's the boat?" not "where's the owner?"

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

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Ed McDermott wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm NOT planning to
bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada? Do you have to
take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

grandma Rosalie

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

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Ed McDermott wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm NOT planning to
bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada? Do you have to
take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

grandma Rosalie

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada? Do you have to
take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

grandma Rosalie


Can't speak for all 50 states, but a good many (such as the one where I live)
require
state registration of a documented vessel.

The state is prohibited by law from issuing a "title" to a documented boat. The
state is not prohibited from requiring owners of documented boats to submit to
registration and paying an annual tax. As a result, most states do.

If documentation were a workable scheme around the stae tax collector, I bet
we'd have every single vessel that met the minimum tonnage, etc, documented.
:-)

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada? Do you have to
take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

grandma Rosalie


Can't speak for all 50 states, but a good many (such as the one where I live)
require
state registration of a documented vessel.

The state is prohibited by law from issuing a "title" to a documented boat. The
state is not prohibited from requiring owners of documented boats to submit to
registration and paying an annual tax. As a result, most states do.

If documentation were a workable scheme around the stae tax collector, I bet
we'd have every single vessel that met the minimum tonnage, etc, documented.
:-)

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:32:09 -0500, Ed McDermott
wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm NOT planning to
bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

If you plan to keep it in the US, you can register it in a state, but
not document it in the US. You could do that anyway, but having it
documented might matter in some other countries.






Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

"That idiot Leibniz, who wants to teach me about the infinitesimally small! Has he therefore forgotten that I am the wife of Frederick I? How can he imagine that I am unacquainted with my own husband?"

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:32:09 -0500, Ed McDermott
wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm NOT planning to
bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

If you plan to keep it in the US, you can register it in a state, but
not document it in the US. You could do that anyway, but having it
documented might matter in some other countries.






Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

"That idiot Leibniz, who wants to teach me about the infinitesimally small! Has he therefore forgotten that I am the wife of Frederick I? How can he imagine that I am unacquainted with my own husband?"

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:49:39 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:

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Ed McDermott wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm NOT planning to
bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada? Do you have to
take it to Canada to do that?

Sales Tax. Lots of Canadians keep boats in Lake Champlain and never
cross the border.

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

grandma Rosalie




Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

"That idiot Leibniz, who wants to teach me about the infinitesimally small! Has he therefore forgotten that I am the wife of Frederick I? How can he imagine that I am unacquainted with my own husband?"

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 12:49:39 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:

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Ed McDermott wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm NOT planning to
bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada? Do you have to
take it to Canada to do that?

Sales Tax. Lots of Canadians keep boats in Lake Champlain and never
cross the border.

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

grandma Rosalie




Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

"That idiot Leibniz, who wants to teach me about the infinitesimally small! Has he therefore forgotten that I am the wife of Frederick I? How can he imagine that I am unacquainted with my own husband?"

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

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(Gould 0738) wrote:

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada? Do you have to
take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

Can't speak for all 50 states, but a good many (such as the one where I live)
require state registration of a documented vessel.

That has nothing to do with the original question which was partly
from another thread from Ed McDermot which said

Now Here's the funny one. If you don't bring the boat into Canada you
don't have to pay GST or PST but you can't register your boat in Canada.
Since I'm not planning to bring my boat back, I don't know how I'm going
to register it.

I'm a Canadian but I may not be able to fly a Canadian Flag on my boat.

So I was answering how he could fly a Canadian flag on his boat
without registering it in Canada. I don't know whether a Canadian
documented boat has to be registered in any state in the US. That's
another question which is too complicated for me.

The state is prohibited by law from issuing a "title" to a documented boat. The
state is not prohibited from requiring owners of documented boats to submit to
registration and paying an annual tax. As a result, most states do.

Again - tax is not the issue. We are talking about a Canadian who
buys an American boat whether he takes it back to Canada or not. I
would think that a Canadian could document a boat in Canada and fly
the Canadian flag - it wouldn't have to be registered in Canada if the
laws in Canada are anything like the US. SOME states in the US do NOT
allow registration of documented boats (Texas for one).

If documentation were a workable scheme around the stae tax collector, I bet
we'd have every single vessel that met the minimum tonnage, etc, documented.
:-)



grandma Rosalie

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

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(Gould 0738) wrote:

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada? Do you have to
take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

Can't speak for all 50 states, but a good many (such as the one where I live)
require state registration of a documented vessel.

That has nothing to do with the original question which was partly
from another thread from Ed McDermot which said

Now Here's the funny one. If you don't bring the boat into Canada you
don't have to pay GST or PST but you can't register your boat in Canada.
Since I'm not planning to bring my boat back, I don't know how I'm going
to register it.

I'm a Canadian but I may not be able to fly a Canadian Flag on my boat.

So I was answering how he could fly a Canadian flag on his boat
without registering it in Canada. I don't know whether a Canadian
documented boat has to be registered in any state in the US. That's
another question which is too complicated for me.

The state is prohibited by law from issuing a "title" to a documented boat. The
state is not prohibited from requiring owners of documented boats to submit to
registration and paying an annual tax. As a result, most states do.

Again - tax is not the issue. We are talking about a Canadian who
buys an American boat whether he takes it back to Canada or not. I
would think that a Canadian could document a boat in Canada and fly
the Canadian flag - it wouldn't have to be registered in Canada if the
laws in Canada are anything like the US. SOME states in the US do NOT
allow registration of documented boats (Texas for one).

If documentation were a workable scheme around the stae tax collector, I bet
we'd have every single vessel that met the minimum tonnage, etc, documented.
:-)



grandma Rosalie

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

Rosalie B. wrote:

Ed McDermott wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm
NOT planning to bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada?
Do you have to take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

What means this "Documentation" as opposed to "Registration" ?

Can somebody please explain what these things are?

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Canadian buying an American Boat
 

Rosalie B. wrote:

Ed McDermott wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm
NOT planning to bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada?
Do you have to take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

What means this "Documentation" as opposed to "Registration" ?

Can somebody please explain what these things are?

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Ante Topic Mimara ] wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

Ed McDermott wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm
NOT planning to bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada?
Do you have to take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

What means this "Documentation" as opposed to "Registration" ?

Can somebody please explain what these things are?

There are essentially two ways vessel ownership in the U.S. is done,
and I think it is similar in Canada:

Through State Registration including a title. State laws obviously
vary from state to state, but usually the state issues a number to a
boat which is displayed on the bow.

Through the Federal Documentation System - Documentation is the
federal registration of vessels (average of 27’ and over) with the
U.S. Coast Guard. Each vessel is assigned a number, which is
permanently displayed on an interior part of the hull. A certificate
is issued which identifies the owner. If a boat is documented it
doesn't usually have to display the registration numbers on the bow.
Documentation is recognized in international waters and can help ease
port clearances as the boat becomes a US entity. If you plan on doing
foreign cruising, including the Bahamas and the Caribbean, it is
recommended that you document the vessel. Since the CG documentation
system also records liens on the boat, the bank where you get your
loan usually requires that the boat be documented. I think there is
also a provision that in time of war, the CG or Navy can commandeer
the boat for use.



grandma Rosalie

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

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Ante Topic Mimara ] wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

Ed McDermott wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm
NOT planning to bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada?
Do you have to take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

What means this "Documentation" as opposed to "Registration" ?

Can somebody please explain what these things are?

There are essentially two ways vessel ownership in the U.S. is done,
and I think it is similar in Canada:

Through State Registration including a title. State laws obviously
vary from state to state, but usually the state issues a number to a
boat which is displayed on the bow.

Through the Federal Documentation System - Documentation is the
federal registration of vessels (average of 27’ and over) with the
U.S. Coast Guard. Each vessel is assigned a number, which is
permanently displayed on an interior part of the hull. A certificate
is issued which identifies the owner. If a boat is documented it
doesn't usually have to display the registration numbers on the bow.
Documentation is recognized in international waters and can help ease
port clearances as the boat becomes a US entity. If you plan on doing
foreign cruising, including the Bahamas and the Caribbean, it is
recommended that you document the vessel. Since the CG documentation
system also records liens on the boat, the bank where you get your
loan usually requires that the boat be documented. I think there is
also a provision that in time of war, the CG or Navy can commandeer
the boat for use.



grandma Rosalie

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

What means this "Documentation" as opposed to "Registration" ?

Can somebody please explain what these things are?

A document is similar to a certificate of title, (in a very broad sense), but
it is issued by the US Govt. rather than by a state government. It identifies
the vessel and is considered proof of ownership.

Registration is required by most states. It's a fee that is charged to boat
owners for keeping a vessel within the state, regardless of the state or
country where the title or document was issued. (Most states will allow several
months usage without registration to avoid discouraging cruisers and folks
wanting to patronize a repair yard). Registration is usually collected on an
annual basis. It can run from $10 to several thousand, depending on the vessel
and the state.

Most states require boats that have a state title to display a state ID number,
usually well forward on the hull. States cannot require a documented boat to
display ID numbers, but they can require the boat owner to affix a registration
sticker to the hull.

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

What means this "Documentation" as opposed to "Registration" ?

Can somebody please explain what these things are?

A document is similar to a certificate of title, (in a very broad sense), but
it is issued by the US Govt. rather than by a state government. It identifies
the vessel and is considered proof of ownership.

Registration is required by most states. It's a fee that is charged to boat
owners for keeping a vessel within the state, regardless of the state or
country where the title or document was issued. (Most states will allow several
months usage without registration to avoid discouraging cruisers and folks
wanting to patronize a repair yard). Registration is usually collected on an
annual basis. It can run from $10 to several thousand, depending on the vessel
and the state.

Most states require boats that have a state title to display a state ID number,
usually well forward on the hull. States cannot require a documented boat to
display ID numbers, but they can require the boat owner to affix a registration
sticker to the hull.

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:44:16 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:

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Ante Topic Mimara ] wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

Ed McDermott wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm
NOT planning to bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada?
Do you have to take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

What means this "Documentation" as opposed to "Registration" ?

Can somebody please explain what these things are?

There are essentially two ways vessel ownership in the U.S. is done,
and I think it is similar in Canada:

Through State Registration including a title. State laws obviously
vary from state to state, but usually the state issues a number to a
boat which is displayed on the bow.

There is a small source of confusion here...

In Canada, "registration" is the more formal process, required of
larger vessels (over 20 register tons for pleasure boats, I think),
and is similar to the US "documentation".

The Canadian process that is vaguely similar to US state registration
is called "licensing" (but it is still a federal matter).

In Canada, we don't have any provincial paperwork or taxes regarding
boats (except sales tax on the initial purchase).

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Canadian buying an American Boat
 

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:44:16 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:

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Ante Topic Mimara ] wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

Ed McDermott wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm
NOT planning to bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada?
Do you have to take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

What means this "Documentation" as opposed to "Registration" ?

Can somebody please explain what these things are?

There are essentially two ways vessel ownership in the U.S. is done,
and I think it is similar in Canada:

Through State Registration including a title. State laws obviously
vary from state to state, but usually the state issues a number to a
boat which is displayed on the bow.

There is a small source of confusion here...

In Canada, "registration" is the more formal process, required of
larger vessels (over 20 register tons for pleasure boats, I think),
and is similar to the US "documentation".

The Canadian process that is vaguely similar to US state registration
is called "licensing" (but it is still a federal matter).

In Canada, we don't have any provincial paperwork or taxes regarding
boats (except sales tax on the initial purchase).

--
Peter Bennett, VE7CEI
peterbb (at) interchange.ubc.ca
new newsgroup users info : http://vancouver-webpages.com/nnq
GPS and NMEA info: http://vancouver-webpages.com/peter
Vancouver Power Squadron: http://vancouver.powersquadron.ca

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

On 13 Feb 2004 00:25:34 -0000, Ante Topic Mimara
] wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

Ed McDermott wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm
NOT planning to bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada?
Do you have to take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

What means this "Documentation" as opposed to "Registration" ?

Can somebody please explain what these things are?

The other replies covered most of it. US Documented vessels have some
restrictions on them. They cannot be owned by or chartered to
noncitizens.

Ergo, a Canadian could not document a vessel in the US, and Canada may
require the import taxes to document it there, even if it won't ever
go there. I don't know how they would treat that.

If that is a problem, state registration somewhere in the US is
probably the easiest solution.
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"That idiot Leibniz, who wants to teach me about the infinitesimally small! Has he therefore forgotten that I am the wife of Frederick I? How can he imagine that I am unacquainted with my own husband?"

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

On 13 Feb 2004 00:25:34 -0000, Ante Topic Mimara
] wrote:

Rosalie B. wrote:

Ed McDermott wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm
NOT planning to bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada?
Do you have to take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

What means this "Documentation" as opposed to "Registration" ?

Can somebody please explain what these things are?

The other replies covered most of it. US Documented vessels have some
restrictions on them. They cannot be owned by or chartered to
noncitizens.

Ergo, a Canadian could not document a vessel in the US, and Canada may
require the import taxes to document it there, even if it won't ever
go there. I don't know how they would treat that.

If that is a problem, state registration somewhere in the US is
probably the easiest solution.
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Rodney Myrvaagnes J36 Gjo/a

"That idiot Leibniz, who wants to teach me about the infinitesimally small! Has he therefore forgotten that I am the wife of Frederick I? How can he imagine that I am unacquainted with my own husband?"

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

Peter Bennett wrote:

In Canada, "registration" is the more formal process, required of
larger vessels (over 20 register tons for pleasure boats, I think),
and is similar to the US "documentation".

FYI, it is 15 register tons now.

Jean
Montreal, Qc

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

Peter Bennett wrote:

In Canada, "registration" is the more formal process, required of
larger vessels (over 20 register tons for pleasure boats, I think),
and is similar to the US "documentation".

FYI, it is 15 register tons now.

Jean
Montreal, Qc

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:32:09 -0500, Ed McDermott
wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm NOT planning to
bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Ed
The simple answer is that you can register (what our American friends
call "document") the vessel in Canada. Go to
http://www.tc.gc.ca/MarineSafety/TP/Tp13414/menu.htm
for the instructions. The vessel does not have to be in Canada or
ever come to Canada to be registered. If it's under 40 ft. (12
metres) you don't even need a tonnage survey. You cannot license (u.s.
equivalent state registration, in Canada federal jurisdiction only)
the vessel unless the vessel is in Canada with all the various taxes
and duty paid.

Rick

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:32:09 -0500, Ed McDermott
wrote:

I'm a Canadian planning to buy an American boat, but I'm NOT planning to
bring it back into Canada.


Where can I register it?

Ed
The simple answer is that you can register (what our American friends
call "document") the vessel in Canada. Go to
http://www.tc.gc.ca/MarineSafety/TP/Tp13414/menu.htm
for the instructions. The vessel does not have to be in Canada or
ever come to Canada to be registered. If it's under 40 ft. (12
metres) you don't even need a tonnage survey. You cannot license (u.s.
equivalent state registration, in Canada federal jurisdiction only)
the vessel unless the vessel is in Canada with all the various taxes
and duty paid.

Rick

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

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Peter Bennett wrote:

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:44:16 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:
snip
What means this "Documentation" as opposed to "Registration" ?

Can somebody please explain what these things are?

There are essentially two ways vessel ownership in the U.S. is done,
and I think it is similar in Canada:

Through State Registration including a title. State laws obviously
vary from state to state, but usually the state issues a number to a
boat which is displayed on the bow.

There is a small source of confusion here...

In Canada, "registration" is the more formal process, required of
larger vessels (over 20 register tons for pleasure boats, I think),
and is similar to the US "documentation".

The Canadian process that is vaguely similar to US state registration
is called "licensing" (but it is still a federal matter).

In Canada, we don't have any provincial paperwork or taxes regarding
boats (except sales tax on the initial purchase).

That's good to know. I didn't realize that.

Incidentally, I'm hiding this at the bottom of this thread, but in
the 8 hours last night I got 75 spam emails and that was a light
night. so for the first time in a long time, I've munged my reply to
address, so if you want to email me directly, you'll have to get my
actual address from a post sometime in 2003 or prior, and then wait
for me to OK the address.

You don't need to put in a request for me to do it - I go to the ISP
web site at least 3 times a day to check for real emails. But DO put
some subject in the subject line that will give me a clue that you are
a real person.


grandma Rosalie

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

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Peter Bennett wrote:

On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:44:16 GMT, Rosalie B.
wrote:
snip
What means this "Documentation" as opposed to "Registration" ?

Can somebody please explain what these things are?

There are essentially two ways vessel ownership in the U.S. is done,
and I think it is similar in Canada:

Through State Registration including a title. State laws obviously
vary from state to state, but usually the state issues a number to a
boat which is displayed on the bow.

There is a small source of confusion here...

In Canada, "registration" is the more formal process, required of
larger vessels (over 20 register tons for pleasure boats, I think),
and is similar to the US "documentation".

The Canadian process that is vaguely similar to US state registration
is called "licensing" (but it is still a federal matter).

In Canada, we don't have any provincial paperwork or taxes regarding
boats (except sales tax on the initial purchase).

That's good to know. I didn't realize that.

Incidentally, I'm hiding this at the bottom of this thread, but in
the 8 hours last night I got 75 spam emails and that was a light
night. so for the first time in a long time, I've munged my reply to
address, so if you want to email me directly, you'll have to get my
actual address from a post sometime in 2003 or prior, and then wait
for me to OK the address.

You don't need to put in a request for me to do it - I go to the ISP
web site at least 3 times a day to check for real emails. But DO put
some subject in the subject line that will give me a clue that you are
a real person.


grandma Rosalie

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

What are the Canadian tax implications for a Canadian purchasing:
(a) a Canadian registered vessel
(b) a non-Canadian registered vessel

Assume that the vessel will reside in Canadian waters and the vessel
owner is a Canadian resident (for tax purposes).

I'd appreciate the benefit of the experience of others who have had to
face the RevCan (CCRA) challenges. Is there a web address that might
summarize the various scenarios?

Thanks in advance,
WRC

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

What are the Canadian tax implications for a Canadian purchasing:
(a) a Canadian registered vessel
(b) a non-Canadian registered vessel

Assume that the vessel will reside in Canadian waters and the vessel
owner is a Canadian resident (for tax purposes).

I'd appreciate the benefit of the experience of others who have had to
face the RevCan (CCRA) challenges. Is there a web address that might
summarize the various scenarios?

Thanks in advance,
WRC

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:16:06 GMT, in message

Rosalie B. wrote:

(Gould 0738) wrote:

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada? Do you have to
take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

Can't speak for all 50 states, but a good many (such as the one where I live)
require state registration of a documented vessel.

I'm a Canadian but I may not be able to fly a Canadian Flag on my boat.

So I was answering how he could fly a Canadian flag on his boat
without registering it in Canada. I don't know whether a Canadian
documented boat has to be registered in any state in the US. That's
another question which is too complicated for me.

A further complication is that there are two options in Canada and the
names are different than in the US. "Registration" is the formal,
somewhat expensive process that covers anything from a modest cruiser
on up to a full sized ship. "Licensing" is the small vessel version
that requires numbers on the bow. Both are administered by the federal
government and both can lead to payment of provincial and federal
taxes. In practice, neither one requires the vessel to be in Canada to
complete the paperwork.

Ryk

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:16:06 GMT, in message

Rosalie B. wrote:

(Gould 0738) wrote:

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada? Do you have to
take it to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something,
wouldn't documentation be better than registration anyway?

Can't speak for all 50 states, but a good many (such as the one where I live)
require state registration of a documented vessel.

I'm a Canadian but I may not be able to fly a Canadian Flag on my boat.

So I was answering how he could fly a Canadian flag on his boat
without registering it in Canada. I don't know whether a Canadian
documented boat has to be registered in any state in the US. That's
another question which is too complicated for me.

A further complication is that there are two options in Canada and the
names are different than in the US. "Registration" is the formal,
somewhat expensive process that covers anything from a modest cruiser
on up to a full sized ship. "Licensing" is the small vessel version
that requires numbers on the bow. Both are administered by the federal
government and both can lead to payment of provincial and federal
taxes. In practice, neither one requires the vessel to be in Canada to
complete the paperwork.

Ryk

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:01:50 +0000, Ryk wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:16:06 GMT, in message

Rosalie B. wrote:

(Gould 0738) wrote:

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada? Do you have to take it
to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something, wouldn't
documentation be better than registration anyway?

Can't speak for all 50 states, but a good many (such as the one where I live)
require state registration of a documented vessel.

I'm a Canadian but I may not be able to fly a Canadian Flag on my boat.

So I was answering how he could fly a Canadian flag on his boat without
registering it in Canada. I don't know whether a Canadian documented boat has
to be registered in any state in the US. That's another question which is too
complicated for me.

A further complication is that there are two options in Canada and the names are
different than in the US. "Registration" is the formal, somewhat expensive
process that covers anything from a modest cruiser on up to a full sized ship.
"Licensing" is the small vessel version that requires numbers on the bow. Both
are administered by the federal government and both can lead to payment of
provincial and federal taxes. In practice, neither one requires the vessel to be
in Canada to complete the paperwork.

Ryk

I tried to "register" Far Cove when I bought it years ago. Among other
things, you requi
- "papers" verifying customs, etc. into Canada
- a note from the mfr saying iirc that they no longer want it
- and, since "registration" officially means allowing the Queen to use it in
her navy, a note from the US gov't saying they don't want it.

In other words, I HIGHLY doubt you could register a vessel without importing
it into Canada. (Unless things have changed A LOT in 15 years!)

OTOH, I suspect you can license it. They seem pretty lax about that.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36

Canadian buying an American Boat
 

On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:01:50 +0000, Ryk wrote:

On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 19:16:06 GMT, in message

Rosalie B. wrote:

(Gould 0738) wrote:

Why register it? Why not just document it in Canada? Do you have to take it
to Canada to do that?

If you are going to take it down to the Caribbean or something, wouldn't
documentation be better than registration anyway?

Can't speak for all 50 states, but a good many (such as the one where I live)
require state registration of a documented vessel.

I'm a Canadian but I may not be able to fly a Canadian Flag on my boat.

So I was answering how he could fly a Canadian flag on his boat without
registering it in Canada. I don't know whether a Canadian documented boat has
to be registered in any state in the US. That's another question which is too
complicated for me.

A further complication is that there are two options in Canada and the names are
different than in the US. "Registration" is the formal, somewhat expensive
process that covers anything from a modest cruiser on up to a full sized ship.
"Licensing" is the small vessel version that requires numbers on the bow. Both
are administered by the federal government and both can lead to payment of
provincial and federal taxes. In practice, neither one requires the vessel to be
in Canada to complete the paperwork.

Ryk

I tried to "register" Far Cove when I bought it years ago. Among other
things, you requi
- "papers" verifying customs, etc. into Canada
- a note from the mfr saying iirc that they no longer want it
- and, since "registration" officially means allowing the Queen to use it in
her navy, a note from the US gov't saying they don't want it.

In other words, I HIGHLY doubt you could register a vessel without importing
it into Canada. (Unless things have changed A LOT in 15 years!)

OTOH, I suspect you can license it. They seem pretty lax about that.

Lloyd Sumpter
"Far Cove" Catalina 36