On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 07:42:20 -0800, Dan BEst
wrote:

That is *way* too long a delivery trip for a 36 footer.

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This is the 2nd time in recent days that you've made this kind of
assertion.

I assume you are talking about my comment that 38 ft is a bit less
than average for offshore cruising? I believe that to be a true
statement. Most of the boats that I see in offshore destinations are
in the low to mid 40 ft range, some bigger.

According to George Day, the Editor of Blue Water Cruising, there are
more Tayana 37s cruising offshore than any other single design.

I have no idea whether or not that is true, and I doubt that George
does either.

Where is this notion of yours that a boat in the mid 30's is too short
to be a blue water cruiser coming from and what would you consider a
reasonable size boat for an ocean crossing trip.

I never said that but my personal preference is for boats in the mid
40 ft range due to their greater speed, comfort and stowage capacity.

Also, what cruising
have you done? What experience are you basing these garbage opinions on?

Six trips to Bermuda, quite a few to the Bahamas and BVI, plus a lot
of extended coastal cruising over 30+ years in boats ranging from 28
to 55 ft.

If you are going to issue these definitive statements like you know what
you are talking about, they should at least be sensible. There are after
all, lots of people reading these posts that are new to sailing/cruising
and could mistakenly believe you know what you're talking about.

Your mileage may vary.

My post should not be interpreted in anyway as casting aspersions on
your (or anyone elses) Tayana 37. That was not the point. Tayanas can
and do cross oceans, and people like them.

My observation about the proposed delivery relates to cost, and cost
effectiveness, vs shipping. How many days is an on water delivery
from Singapore to the east coast likely to take? I'm guessing at
least 80 to 90 days since the distance is around 12,000 miles. A
delivery crew is likey to cost at least $300 per day plus expenses
which will be considerable. And then there is the issue of wear and
tear on the boat, engine, rigging and sails which will also be
significant. Even if shipping costs are $30K it will still be cheaper
than on water delivery, and a lot less risky. Which brings up my last
issue: Is a 36 ft boat really worth $30K in shipping when you could
probably purchase a comparable boat that is already on the east coast?

Wayne.B wrote:
That is *way* too long a delivery trip for a 36 footer.

Wayne B.,
Please accept my apologies. I went back and reread what you posted and
realized that I misread or misinterpreted what you wrote. You did
emphasize "a delivery" in your comment and it was meant as more of a
financial judgement than a capability one. On the other one, I was
mentally attributing something someone else said to you and was guilty
of not looking it up and verifying it before I hit the send key. You'd
think that after all these years, I'd know better than to try to reply
to something when I'm rushing out the door.

--
Dan Best
s/v Tricia Jean, Tayana 37 #192
http://home.comcast.net/~triciajean192/

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:05:36 -0800, Dan Best
wrote:

Wayne B.,
Please accept my apologies. I went back and reread what you posted and
realized that I misread or misinterpreted what you wrote. You did
emphasize "a delivery" in your comment and it was meant as more of a
financial judgement than a capability one. On the other one, I was
mentally attributing something someone else said to you and was guilty
of not looking it up and verifying it before I hit the send key. You'd
think that after all these years, I'd know better than to try to reply
to something when I'm rushing out the door.

No problem.

In article , Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 12:05:36 -0800, Dan Best
wrote:

Wayne B.,
Please accept my apologies. I went back and reread what you posted and
realized that I misread or misinterpreted what you wrote. You did
emphasize "a delivery" in your comment and it was meant as more of a
financial judgement than a capability one. On the other one, I was
mentally attributing something someone else said to you and was guilty
of not looking it up and verifying it before I hit the send key. You'd
think that after all these years, I'd know better than to try to reply
to something when I'm rushing out the door.

No problem.

Civility? On usenet? Oh dear, I feel faint...

On Feb 1, 8:45 am, Wayne.B wrote:
...[the] distance is around 12,000 miles. A
delivery crew is likey to cost at least $300 per day plus expenses
which will be considerable. And then there is the issue of wear and
tear on the boat, engine, rigging and sails which will also be
significant. Even if shipping costs are $30K it will still be cheaper
than on water delivery, and a lot less risky. ...

$2/mile plus expenses is a decent rule of thumb for long deliveries.
I suspect $30k isn't far off the mark. You'd really have to be in
love to pay that. However, I've run across a couple of families who
were doing deliveries in return for being allowed to take the time to
cruise along the route. I know that there were some disputes. Timing
and particularly how time spent doing repairs would be treated were
sore points in both cases. Also the routes involved were less
challenging and more attractive than Singapore - East Coast would
be... Nevertheless, just the right family might be out there to do
it, and the dollar price should be more reasonable.

-- Tom.

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:16:54 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Feb 1, 8:45 am, Wayne.B wrote:
...[the] distance is around 12,000 miles. A
delivery crew is likey to cost at least $300 per day plus expenses
which will be considerable. And then there is the issue of wear and
tear on the boat, engine, rigging and sails which will also be
significant. Even if shipping costs are $30K it will still be cheaper
than on water delivery, and a lot less risky. ...

$2/mile plus expenses is a decent rule of thumb for long deliveries.
I suspect $30k isn't far off the mark. You'd really have to be in
love to pay that. However, I've run across a couple of families who
were doing deliveries in return for being allowed to take the time to
cruise along the route. I know that there were some disputes. Timing
and particularly how time spent doing repairs would be treated were
sore points in both cases. Also the routes involved were less
challenging and more attractive than Singapore - East Coast would
be... Nevertheless, just the right family might be out there to do
it, and the dollar price should be more reasonable.

-- Tom.

A friend here in Thailand was trying to sell his Bristol channel
Cutter some years ago and was communicating with a potential buyer who
asked whether the boat could be delivered to the west coast of the
U.S. I got involved in researching delivery possibilities.

The shortest route for delivery by sailing was from Thailand to
Singapore, north from Singapore to Taiwan/Japan and turn east straight
across the Pacific to California.

Shipping involved building a cradle and shipping either as deck cargo
or on a container ship. This turned out to be the cheapest method,
although a bit complex as the logistics of placing the boat in the
cradle and loading aboard the ship involved travel lifts in one
location and cranes at another plus hauling over public roads.

I did contact a company in Singapore that supposedly "specialized in
shipping boats" through a Singapore Chinese friend. He advised me that
the company appeared to have the capability but when it came to
getting an estimated cost the shipping company had basically asked
"how much will the client pay".

The upshot was that for a 10 year old Bristol Channel Cutter, in good
nick, with a survey stating that the boat was in satisfactory
condition and the only discrepancies noted were considered as fair
wear and tear, the all in cost of delivery to the U.S. was a deal
breaker as it nearly doubled the total cost to the buyer.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
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